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All because Patriots supported him. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Kyle Rittenhouse has been released from jail on a $2 million cash bond, paid for largely by donations from patriotic Americans.
The 17-year-old killed two people during the riots in Kenosha, in what supporters and his lawyers say was self-defense. He is charged with intentional homicide, reckless endangerment and being a minor in possession of a firearm.

Many believe that the teenager is facing politically motivated trumped up charges.

People who have supported the teen, who has not yet been convicted of any crimes, have faced extreme censorship on social media — as the Big Tech overlords immediately decided of his guilt.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-kyle-rittenhouse-finally-released-2-million-cash-bond/

Quote from: Solar on November 20, 2020, 02:15:32 PM
All because Patriots supported him. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Kyle Rittenhouse has been released from jail on a $2 million cash bond, paid for largely by donations from patriotic Americans.
The 17-year-old killed two people during the riots in Kenosha, in what supporters and his lawyers say was self-defense. He is charged with intentional homicide, reckless endangerment and being a minor in possession of a firearm.

Many believe that the teenager is facing politically motivated trumped up charges.

People who have supported the teen, who has not yet been convicted of any crimes, have faced extreme censorship on social media — as the Big Tech overlords immediately decided of his guilt.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-kyle-rittenhouse-finally-released-2-million-cash-bond/

that kid should not have ever been locked up, and in most states I do not think he would have been.

Amazing how people have been duped into bailing out a criminal. I hope he gets what he deserves.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 20, 2020, 03:00:54 PM
Amazing how people have been duped into bailing out a criminal. I hope he gets what he deserves.

And tell me, what did the moron who pointed a gun at him get, besides a hole in his arm?

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 20, 2020, 03:00:54 PM
Amazing how people have been duped into bailing out a criminal. I hope he gets what he deserves.

Why is it amazing, when he was in the right!  That's a lot of people putting up $2 million cash bond, that also know he was right!

Considering there is a lot of reason to claim self defense, that bail is outrageous.  Only because he defended himself against the assholes in BLM/antifa did he get a political bail amount.  I hope Lin Wood can come in and sue for slander against the kid.

Quote from: walkstall on November 20, 2020, 03:21:03 PM

Why is it amazing, when he was in the right!  That's a lot of people putting up $2 million cash bond, that also know he was right!

He was not in the right. He should have never had the gun to begin with. He was in possession of an illegal firearm and IF the latetest info on the story is true he committed another felony to get the gun to begin with.  Rittenhouse is a criminal

Quote from: Pop Daddy on November 20, 2020, 03:40:20 PM
Considering there is a lot of reason to claim self defense, that bail is outrageous.  Only because he defended himself against the assholes in BLM/antifa did he get a political bail amount.  I hope Lin Wood can come in and sue for slander against the kid.

What slander?

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 20, 2020, 04:39:27 PM
He was not in the right. He should have never had the gun to begin with. He was in possession of an illegal firearm and IF the latetest info on the story is true he committed another felony to get the gun to begin with.  Rittenhouse is a criminal

Sooo, you think the 2nd is just an idea?
This has absolutely nothing to do with justice, and everything to do with Marxist politics destroying our Right to self defense..

Quote from: Solar on November 20, 2020, 05:15:28 PM
Sooo, you think the 2nd is just an idea?
This has absolutely nothing to do with justice, and everything to do with Marxist politics destroying our Right to self defense..

Rittenhouse broke the law and committed felonies BEFORE the shooting even took place. He's a fucking criminal and deserves to be charged, convicted and imprisoned.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 20, 2020, 05:27:50 PM
Rittenhouse broke the law and committed felonies BEFORE the shooting even took place. He's a fucking criminal and deserves to be charged, convicted and imprisoned.

You may not remember, but it wasn't all that long ago, a young man wouldn't have had to go and defend our Republic the way he did.
There's your law breakers, the scum who have been whittling away at our 2nd.

Not 40 years ago, everyone would have labeled the kid a hero, but here you are doing the work of the leftist condemning someone who still believes in our country.
Don't get emotional, just think about that.

Quote from: Solar on November 20, 2020, 05:36:01 PM
You may not remember, but it wasn't all that long ago, a young man wouldn't have had to go and defend our Republic the way he did.
There's your law breakers, the scum who have been whittling away at our 2nd.

Not 40 years ago, everyone would have labeled the kid a hero, but here you are doing the work of the leftist condemning someone who still believes in our country.
Don't get emotional, just think about that.

I'm not emotional and you're full of shit. Rittenhouse  committed crime BEFORE the shootings happened. He's a criminal. PERIOD. He's not a hero in any way shape or form. He's a stupid kid and he's a criminal just like the criminals he shot up.

Let's not act like those fuckheads out in the street were angels.

:rolleyes:

They should be shot just on the fact they are are Marxists.

:thumbsup:

These human scum were chasing Kyle Rittenhouse with the intent to do bodily harm. He acted in Self defense when he shot them, I say good riddance. the part that sucks, is that it happened in a liberally controlled State, and these socialist pieces of crap are going to take out their hate of conservatives on him. Glad he was able to make bail!

Ok, but how about the case that happened here in Europe? Three criminals were chasing one guy in the middle of the night, threatening to kill him. He run off home. They followed him at home, threatening to kill everyone in the house, broke the door and came to the house. Then father of the guy woke up (it was 2 am), took the gun and started to shoot in the air. Three criminals were still in the house looting and searching for the guy, but apparently saw how things stand and decided to run. Heck, the father who wanted to protect the son came out with the gun, shot one in the back and kill him. He also hurt the other one in the leg. He possesed the gun legally. The court decided to sent the father to jail for 17 years, saying he shot the guy in the back and therefore it wasn't a self defence.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 20, 2020, 05:27:50 PM
Rittenhouse broke the law and committed felonies BEFORE the shooting even took place. He's a fucking criminal and deserves to be charged, convicted and imprisoned.

One would have to ask, what laws?

It seems he was in compliance....


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 20, 2020, 06:36:47 PM
I'm not emotional and you're full of shit. Rittenhouse  committed crime BEFORE the shootings happened. He's a criminal. PERIOD. He's not a hero in any way shape or form. He's a stupid kid and he's a criminal just like the criminals he shot up.

Stomps feet, kicks the dog, throws his action figures across the room and screams I'M NOT EMOTIONAL!!!

Tell me, these laws he supposedly broke, when did they go into effect, when did self defense become a crime, warranting excessive bail?
The point is, you are defending liberal laws over our Bill Of Fucking Rights, then have the audacity to claim you aren't emotional? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Quote from: Solar on November 21, 2020, 03:32:30 AM
Stomps feet, kicks the dog, throws his action figures across the room and screams I'M NOT EMOTIONAL!!!

Tell me, these laws he supposedly broke, when did they go into effect, when did self defense become a crime, warranting excessive bail?
The point is, you are defending liberal laws over our Bill Of Fucking Rights, then have the audacity to claim you aren't emotional? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Says the Solar sky screamer. Rittenhouse will pay for his crimes after he is convicted and will be a convicted fel9n for the rest of his life. You can scream at the sky all you want but you're wrong.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 21, 2020, 07:26:28 AM
Says the Solar sky screamer.

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever!

I'm not the emotional one demanding a young man be persecuted for doing the Right thing, no, it is you doing the work of the left in calling for his head because he defied leftist laws designed to kill our Second Amendment.

Pick your battles wisely...

Quote from: Solar on November 21, 2020, 07:35:18 AM
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever!

I'm not the emotional one demanding a young man be persecuted for doing the Right thing, no, it is you doing the work of the left in calling for his head because he defied leftist laws designed to kill our Second Amendment.

Pick your battles wisely...

Neither am I. I am stating facts. You're the one calling a criminal a hero. He committed felonies BEFORE he left to the riot. He will pay for those felonies. Go ahead and keep screaming at the sky Solar. Rittenhouse is a criminal.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 21, 2020, 07:41:46 AM
Neither am I. I am stating facts. You're the one calling a criminal a hero. He committed felonies BEFORE he left to the riot. He will pay for those felonies. Go ahead and keep screaming at the sky Solar. Rittenhouse is a criminal.

And why, because he broke laws created by leftists Hell bent on destroying the US. Seriously dude, check your priorities!

Quote from: Solar on November 21, 2020, 07:44:53 AM
And why, because he broke laws created by leftists Hell bent on destroying the US. Seriously dude, check your priorities!

So you admit he committed felonies? He broke the law and killed 2 people and wounded 1 in a situation he went looking for. He should have never been there with a gun to begin with. His own action created his fate. Check yourself sky screamer.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 20, 2020, 04:40:33 PM
What slander?

Killer, do you not remember the names this kid was called in the press?  Sort of like the Covington kid.  I don't think a jury of his peers is going to convict this kid.  He was attacked first and he responded.  He could have shot many more if that was his intent.  He only shot the sick bastards that were trying to cause him harm.  Self defense.  Forget the rifle for the moment.  Let's say the kid was a 5th degree black belt and he used his hands/feet to kill the sick scum.  Would that make a difference?

Regardless of the laws that restrict our 2A rights, it is a really bad idea to run up and attack someone that is holding a rifle.  By doing so those that were shot and killed got what they deserved.

I remember dove hunting with cousins when I was very young.  We had rifles.  It is unconstitutional to outlaw a firearm based on how it looks, I don't care how scary it is to the idiot libtards.  It is my reading of the 2A that NO weapon is illegal, including a tank, a canon or an F-35 if you can afford it.  The 2A was meant to give the citizen the right to have the same weapons as a tyrannical govt. might use against them.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 21, 2020, 07:48:16 AM
So you admit he committed felonies? He broke the law and killed 2 people and wounded 1 in a situation he went looking for. He should have never been there with a gun to begin with. His own action created his fate. Check yourself sky screamer.

Unlike Solar, I have no problem admitting that I an not only emotional, I am Pissed off.  No, I am The Ass Kicking type of pissed off.
He broke no law.  He was in defense of his community.  He tried to not shoot those thugs, but they forced him too.  I would have emptied the gun right there.  No "shot in the arm" thug would be walking away.
What do you know?  You support Corruptocrats.  Corruptocrats encourage crime.  Then, when a Conservative young man acts in self defense, against crooks with a HISTORY of criminal acts, you want the Salem Witch Trials.
This Boy will walk.  He will get rich off this.  And........
4 more years.  I can't wait to see you crying tears and running for your Puppy and your safe space.  Putz.

Quote from: tiny1 on November 21, 2020, 08:33:40 AM
Unlike Solar, I have no problem admitting that I an not only emotional, I am Pissed off.  No, I am The Ass Kicking type of pissed off.
He broke no law.  He was in defense of his community.  He tried to not shoot those thugs, but they forced him too.  I would have emptied the gun right there.  No "shot in the arm" thug would be walking away.
What do you know?  You support Corruptocrats.  Corruptocrats encourage crime.  Then, when a Conservative young man acts in self defense, against crooks with a HISTORY of criminal acts, you want the Salem Witch Trials.
This Boy will walk.  He will get rich off this.  And........
4 more years.  I can't wait to see you crying tears and running for your Puppy and your safe space.  Putz.

He did break the law BEFORE killing 2 people and injuring 1. He was in illegal possesion of a firearm. And if the latest version of the story is true that Rittenhouse gave the money to a friend to buy the firearm for him that is a straw purchase which is also a felony. Rittenhouse had no right to be in possession of a firearm much less carrying it in public and using it to kill people. Rittenhouse is a stupid fucking child that is a criminal killer. Just like Solar you're a sky screamer.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 21, 2020, 08:53:03 AM
He did break the law BEFORE killing 2 people and injuring 1. He was in illegal possesion of a firearm. And if the latest version of the story is true that Rittenhouse gave the money to a friend to buy the firearm for him that is a straw purchase which is also a felony. Rittenhouse had no right to be in possession of a firearm much less carrying it in public and using it to kill people. Rittenhouse is a stupid fucking child that is a criminal killer. Just like Solar you're a sky screamer.

A minor misdemeanor, and once attacked, he used what was available to protect himself.  If he didn't, he'd be severely injured or dead.  The most he's liable for is an underage violation.  And, Solar is a reasonable man of great Character, I am nothing like him.  I don't scream.  Ever.  I just get busy.  If you can't get along, get it on!  I couldn't care less what a Liberay Pin Head thinks.
Any excuse to ban guns, huh corruptocrat? 
Those people he shot were committing felonies against him.  Did any of them get charged?  No.  Why?  Because it doesn't further the Gun Ban agenda.
You Communists are gonna keep it up, until enough of us get mad and decide to take back our country.  Then, you best get you a gun, and decide which side of the Civil War you are gonna fight for.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 21, 2020, 07:26:28 AM
Says the Solar sky screamer. Rittenhouse will pay for his crimes after he is convicted and will be a convicted fel9n for the rest of his life. You can scream at the sky all you want but you're wrong.

What crimes?

Quote from: Owebo on November 21, 2020, 09:25:48 AM
What crimes?

He's yakking about underage possession of a firearm.  It belonged to a friend, and he's only 17 at the time.   Misdemeanor. 

So is "Sky screamer" the new leftard ultimate putdown?



...asking for anyone who has a fuck to give, which I don't but felt the need to ask

Quote from: Sauce on November 21, 2020, 09:34:34 AM
So is "Sky screamer" the new leftard ultimate putdown?



...asking for anyone who has a fuck to give, which I don't but felt the need to ask

IDK but the only people I saw screaming at the sky, were Hillary Supporters.  And soon, Biden Drones.

A informative synopses of the Kyle Rittenhouse case for those (like me) who didn't follow it closely at the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L7JQ-KXzWg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L7JQ-KXzWg)

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 21, 2020, 07:48:16 AM
So you admit he committed felonies? He broke the law and killed 2 people and wounded 1 in a situation he went looking for. He should have never been there with a gun to begin with. His own action created his fate. Check yourself sky screamer.

Never attempt to put words in my mouth, that's the sign of someone unable to debate!

As far as I'm concerned, he's a hero, we need more young men like him willing to stand in the face of Marxist tyranny!
Every man has his moral limits. Had I been younger, I'd have been Right by his side fighting Marxist tyranny.

If and when the time comes you are forced to draw down on someone Hell bent on killing you because they think they have a right to loot and pillage, are you going to stop and consider the law?
Be honest!

Quote from: tiny1 on November 21, 2020, 08:33:40 AM
Unlike Solar, I have no problem admitting that I an not only emotional, I am Pissed off.  No, I am The Ass Kicking type of pissed off.
He broke no law.  He was in defense of his community.  He tried to not shoot those thugs, but they forced him too.  I would have emptied the gun right there.  No "shot in the arm" thug would be walking away.
What do you know?  You support Corruptocrats.  Corruptocrats encourage crime.  Then, when a Conservative young man acts in self defense, against crooks with a HISTORY of criminal acts, you want the Salem Witch Trials.
This Boy will walk.  He will get rich off this.  And........
4 more years.  I can't wait to see you crying tears and running for your Puppy and your safe space.  Putz.

\Bingo!!!
He will walk! This was a political hit job!

Quote from: Owebo on November 21, 2020, 09:25:48 AM
What crimes?

Apparently he broke some laws leftists put in place in hopes of killing off the 2nd. How can people not see this sneaky act? And why would someone defend such asinine laws?

Quote from: Solar on November 21, 2020, 09:49:49 AM
Apparently he broke some laws leftists put in place in hopes of killing off the 2nd. How can people not see this sneaky act? And why would someone defend such asinine laws?

The laws he broke were put in place long ago in a bipartisan act. It has nothing to do with your sky screaming BS.

Quote from: Solar on November 21, 2020, 09:42:06 AM
Never attempt to put words in my mouth, that's the sign of someone unable to debate!

As far as I'm concerned, he's a hero, we need more young men like him willing to stand in the face of Marxist tyranny!
Every man has his moral limits. Had I been younger, I'd have been Right by his side fighting Marxist tyranny.

If and when the time comes you are forced to draw down on someone Hell bent on killing you because they think they have a right to loot and pillage, are you going to stop and consider the law?
Be honest!

So it's good to know you want more criminals running the streets. By your definition the Las Vegas shooter was a hero too. Rittenhouse is a fucking criminal.

Quote from: Sauce on November 21, 2020, 09:41:21 AM
A informative synopses of the Kyle Rittenhouse case for those (like me) who didn't follow it closely at the time.

I had no idea he only lived 20 minutes away. But we all knew every fuck rioting was from out of state.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 21, 2020, 10:07:13 AM
The laws he broke were put in place long ago in a bipartisan act. It has nothing to do with your sky screaming BS.

Get a grip, you're the only dumb ass screaming here!
And those laws you claim are bipartisan are complete bull shit! Think RINO leftists!

Read the damned 2nd and tell me where these laws are legal!

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 21, 2020, 10:09:44 AM
So it's good to know you want more criminals running the streets. By your definition the Las Vegas shooter was a hero too. Rittenhouse is a fucking criminal.

Pull that shit one more time!

Quote from: Solar on November 21, 2020, 10:11:39 AM
I had no idea he only lived 20 minutes away. But we all knew every fuck rioting was from out of state.

Those two (Frei and Barnes) do some great legal and political videos together.   Stuff on the Flynn case, Biden laptop, lead up to the election and the post election legal fights on fraud

Quote from: Sauce on November 21, 2020, 09:41:21 AM
A informative synopses of the Kyle Rittenhouse case for those (like me) who didn't follow it closely at the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L7JQ-KXzWg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L7JQ-KXzWg)

According to Wisconsin law and federal law Rittenhouse was in illegal possesion of a firarearm. The person that gave him the firearm committed a felony in doing so. Also it has come out that Rittenhouse gave the friend the money to buy him the firearm which is also a federal felony commonly called a straw purchase. Rittenhouse is a criminal and will be found guilty.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 21, 2020, 10:09:44 AM
So it's good to know you want more criminals running the streets. By your definition the Las Vegas shooter was a hero too. Rittenhouse is a fucking criminal.

That is the side you are arguing for.

Quote from: Solar on November 21, 2020, 10:13:46 AM
Get a grip, you're the only dumb ass screaming here!
And those laws you claim are bipartisan are complete bull shit! Think RINO leftists!

Read the damned 2nd and tell me where these laws are legal!

The fact is Rittenhouse broke the law sky screamer. He's a fucking criminal that you think is a hero somehow. The bipartisan laws that are in place have nothing to do with RINOs or liberals. You said you want more criminals like him running the streets. Scream a little louder because the sky isn't listening.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on November 21, 2020, 10:21:26 AM
That is the side you are arguing for.

The only side I'm arguing for is the side of the law. Rittenhouse committed felonies BEFORE he went to the riot. He had no right to be there carrying an illegal firearm. He is a stupid kid that fucked up and he is NOT a hero. He is a criminal just like the assholes he killed.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on November 21, 2020, 10:21:26 AM
That is the side you are arguing for.

He's too emotional to grasp the simple concept he's arguing against his own Rights granted by God, not men.

Quote from: Solar on November 21, 2020, 10:49:16 AM
He's too emotional to grasp the simple concept he's arguing against his own Rights granted by God, not men.

And you're too emotional to face the facts. I'm not arguing rights, I'm stating the law. You're the one screaming at the sky with your lib/RINO BS. I didn't know that Scania was a liberal but apparently he was.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 21, 2020, 10:25:24 AM
The fact is Rittenhouse broke the law sky screamer. He's a fucking criminal that you think is a hero somehow. The bipartisan laws that are in place have nothing to do with RINOs or liberals. You said you want more criminals like him running the streets. Scream a little louder because the sky isn't listening.

Jesus Christ, pull that stick out of your ass and take a dep breath, you're about to blow a gasket.

"The bipartisan laws that are in place have nothing to do with RINOs or liberals."

What are you, 12 years old? Both party's were taken over by leftists decades ago, there is no such animal as bipartisan, everything they do advances a leftist agenda!
You've been here how long and you haven't learned that yet? The fact that they've whittled away at your Rights doesn't set off alarm bells in your head?

Quote from: Solar on November 21, 2020, 10:55:03 AM
Jesus Christ, pull that stick out of your ass and take a dep breath, you're about to blow a gasket.

"The bipartisan laws that are in place have nothing to do with RINOs or liberals."

What are you, 12 years old? Both party's were taken over by leftists decades ago, there is no such animal as bipartisan, everything they do advances a leftist agenda!
You've been here how long and you haven't learned that yet? The fact that they've whittled away at your Rights doesn't set off alarm bells in your head?

Face the facts sky screamer. The law was broken. Are you saying Scalia was a liberal? The GCA of 1934 and every gun control law since then says you're wrong. Rittenhouse is a minor, an unconvicted felon and will be a prisoner. He is criminal garbage.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 21, 2020, 10:54:04 AM
And you're too emotional to face the facts. I'm not arguing rights, I'm stating the law. You're the one screaming at the sky with your lib/RINO BS. I didn't know that Scania was a liberal but apparently he was.

Were the laws unConstitutional to begin with?

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 21, 2020, 10:54:04 AM
And you're too emotional to face the facts. I'm not arguing rights, I'm stating the law. You're the one screaming at the sky with your lib/RINO BS. I didn't know that Scania was a liberal but apparently he was.

No son, you're the only one here breaking your action figures and kicking the dog, the rest of us are actually laughing at your temper tantrum. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Quote from: Solar on November 21, 2020, 11:01:17 AM
No son, you're the only one here breaking your action figures and kicking the dog, the rest of us are actually laughing at your temper tantrum. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Not so child. You're the one screaming at the sky like the crazy libs you say you despise. You can't face the indisputable facts. Rittenhouse house committed felonies BEFORE he went to the riot by his own admissions.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 21, 2020, 10:59:57 AM
Face the facts sky screamer. The law was broken. Are you saying Scalia was a liberal? The GCA of 1934 and every gun control law since then says you're wrong. Rittenhouse is a minor, an unconvicted felon and will be a prisoner. He is criminal garbage.

What laws?

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 21, 2020, 11:07:40 AM
Not so child. You're the one screaming at the sky like the crazy libs you say you despise. You can't face the indisputable facts. Rittenhouse house committed felonies BEFORE he went to the riot by his own admissions.

What felonies?

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 21, 2020, 11:07:40 AM
Not so child. You're the one screaming at the sky like the crazy libs you say you despise. You can't face the indisputable facts. Rittenhouse house committed felonies BEFORE he went to the riot by his own admissions.

OK, tell us when these laws went into effect and why. I'll show you a leftist agenda!

I'd say take a chill pill, but you'd probably hyperventilate and choke on it. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Quote from: Solar on November 21, 2020, 11:21:46 AM
OK, tell us when these laws went into effect and why. I'll show you a leftist agenda!

I'd say take a chill pill, but you'd probably hyperventilate and choke on it. :lol: :lol: :lol:

You can't prove that I'm wrong. Do you think Scalia was a liberal? Did Scalia had a liberal agenda? Your 2nd amendment argue doesn't fly.  Go back to yelling at the sky.

Quote from: tiny1 on November 21, 2020, 09:32:33 AM
He's yakking about underage possession of a firearm.  It belonged to a friend, and he's only 17 at the time.   Misdemeanor.

I think there was a jaywalking in there too.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 21, 2020, 11:26:56 AM
You can't prove that I'm wrong. Do you think Scalia was a liberal? Did Scalia had a liberal agenda? Your 2nd amendment argue doesn't fly.  Go back to yelling at the sky.

Which right in the 2A doesn't fly?

Quote from: Owebo on November 21, 2020, 11:42:22 AM
Which right in the 2A doesn't fly?

There are many laws that restrict where and who can legally possess a firearm and who is prohibited from having a firearearm Rittenhouse did not legally possess the firearm he had. 2nd amendment has nothing to do with it. Rittenhouse is a criminal.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 21, 2020, 12:27:06 PM
There are many laws that restrict where and who can legally possess a firearm and who is prohibited from having a firearearm Rittenhouse did not legally possess the firearm he had. 2nd amendment has nothing to do with it. Rittenhouse is a criminal.

No, he is not a criminal until he is convicted of a crime.  The 2nd Amendment doesn't mention an age limit.  The constitution is the law of the land, not state gun laws.  Calling Rittenhouse a criminal is slander considering the possibility that his right to bear arms could go to the Supreme Court and he could be found to be within his rights to carry a gun. He would most likely lose on precedent.

I hope you have the same opinion that illegal aliens are criminals.  That is federal law.

I hope the kid gets off if the facts show he was attacked and defended himself.  That's up to a jury to decide.  The state can then bring up their case that he illegally acquired the firearm.  Again, that will be up to a jury to decide if he is a "criminal."

Quote from: BayouCountry on November 21, 2020, 01:56:16 PM
No, he is not a criminal until he is convicted of a crime.  The 2nd Amendment doesn't mention an age limit.  The constitution is the law of the land, not state gun laws.  Calling Rittenhouse a criminal is slander considering the possibility that his right to bear arms could go to the Supreme Court and he could be found to be within his rights to carry a gun. He would most likely lose on precedent.

I hope you have the same opinion that illegal aliens are criminals.  That is federal law.

I hope the kid gets off if the facts show he was attacked and defended himself.  That's up to a jury to decide.  The state can then bring up their case that he illegally acquired the firearm.  Again, that will be up to a jury to decide if he is a "criminal."

Yes border jumpers are criminals. You don't have to be convicted of anything to be called a criminal. Rittenhouse is a criminal because he broke firearms laws. I have never once argued that be should be charged with anything other than his felony firearms crimes.  The argument might possibly made is that he knew there was going to be trouble because he felt he needed to carry an illegal firearm to protect himself and shouldn't have been there in the first place. He had no right to have the firearm he used to kill 2 people and injure 1. Don't get me wrong when I make that statement. The 2 that got killed deserved what they got. The 1 that got injured deserved to be killed. Rittenhouse broke firearm laws that the Supreme Court have already determined to be constitutional. The Supreme Court has already determined that restrictions on the 2nd amendment are constitutional.  Any rights under the 2nd amendment do not apply to Rittenhouse according to existing state and federal laws. Rittenhouse and his  parents and his accomplice accomplice will possibly be held civilly liable.

Criminal

1: one who has committed a crime

2: a person who has been convicted of a crime

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 21, 2020, 11:26:56 AM
You can't prove that I'm wrong. Do you think Scalia was a liberal? Did Scalia had a liberal agenda? Your 2nd amendment argue doesn't fly.  Go back to yelling at the sky.

So Scalia wrote states law now?

Let me ask you this. If some state passed a law curtailing your Right to free speech, as in hate speech, would you quietly sit in the corner or ignore it?

Quote from: BayouCountry on November 21, 2020, 01:56:16 PM
No, he is not a criminal until he is convicted of a crime.  The 2nd Amendment doesn't mention an age limit.  The constitution is the law of the land, not state gun laws.  Calling Rittenhouse a criminal is slander considering the possibility that his right to bear arms could go to the Supreme Court and he could be found to be within his rights to carry a gun. He would most likely lose on precedent.

I hope you have the same opinion that illegal aliens are criminals.  That is federal law.

I hope the kid gets off if the facts show he was attacked and defended himself.  That's up to a jury to decide.  The state can then bring up their case that he illegally acquired the firearm.  Again, that will be up to a jury to decide if he is a "criminal."

He's claiming Judge, Jury and Hangman, it would appear. :biggrin:

Quote from: Solar on November 21, 2020, 02:51:33 PM
So Scalia wrote states law now?

Let me ask you this. If some state passed a law curtailing your Right to free speech, as in hate speech, would you quietly sit in the corner or ignore it?

I never said Scalia wrote state law. The states already have laws against hate speech. What are you doing about it sky screamer?

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 21, 2020, 02:18:51 PM
Yes border jumpers are criminals. You don't have to be convicted of anything to be called a criminal. Rittenhouse is a criminal because he broke firearms laws. I have never once argued that be should be charged with anything other than his felony firearms crimes.  The argument might possibly made is that he knew there was going to be trouble because he felt he needed to carry an illegal firearm to protect himself and shouldn't have been there in the first place. He had no right to have the firearm he used to kill 2 people and injure 1. Don't get me wrong when I make that statement. The 2 that got killed deserved what they got. The 1 that got injured deserved to be killed. Rittenhouse broke firearm laws that the Supreme Court have already determined to be constitutional. The Supreme Court has already determined that restrictions on the 2nd amendment are constitutional.  Any rights under the 2nd amendment do not apply to Rittenhouse according to existing state and federal laws. Rittenhouse and his  parents and his accomplice accomplice will possibly be held civilly liable.

Criminal

1: one who has committed a crime

2: a person who has been convicted of a crime

If a jury finds this kid not guilty are you still going to call him a criminal?

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 21, 2020, 03:03:58 PM
I never said Scalia wrote state law. The states already have laws against hate speech. What are you doing about it sky screamer?

I see, you have nothing so you drop Scalia's name in hopes of making your point appear relevant, which it is not. And you claim I'm screaming at the sky?
Dude, you're grasping at straws now.
I see you avoided my question though. :rolleyes:

Quote from: Possum on November 21, 2020, 03:06:45 PM
If a jury finds this kid not guilty are you still going to call him a criminal?

We'll have to see what happens.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 21, 2020, 03:09:06 PM
We'll have to see what happens.

In your opinion?

Quote from: Solar on November 21, 2020, 03:06:53 PM
I see, you have nothing so you drop Scalia's name in hopes of making your point appear relevant, which it is not. And you claim I'm screaming at the sky?
Dude, you're grasping at straws now.
I see you avoided my question though. :rolleyes:

No I didn't just drop Scalia's name for no reason. He was the one that wrote in the Helker decision that the 2nd amendment was not unlimited and the restrictions are allowed on it. The feds and states have gun control laws that limit the 2nd amendment.  So your argument the Rittenhouse has 2nd amendment right is utter BS sky screamer. The Supreme Court has already ruled on that many times.  Rittenhouse was a minor in possession of an illegal firearm that he killed 2 people and injured 1 with. He's a criminal  and not a hero.
So was Scalia a liberal with a liberal agenda or not sky screamer?

Quote from: Possum on November 21, 2020, 03:06:45 PM
If a jury finds this kid not guilty are you still going to call him a criminal?

It doesn't matter what some nobody (which includes me) on the internet thinks about the character of someone else. However, I do believe that people in positions of "power" (media especially) should be held accountable for their slander. I hope the victim (Kyle) gets his reward just like that student has.

That being said, I question K.C.'s loyalty to our way of life.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on November 21, 2020, 03:23:49 PM
It doesn't matter what some nobody (which includes me) on the internet thinks about the character of someone else. However, I do believe that people in positions of "power" (media especially) should be held accountable for their slander. I hope the victim (Kyle) gets his reward just like that student has.

That being said, I question K.C.'s loyalty to our way of life.

What slander? And whether or not you think I'm conservative or not I really don't care. Rittenhouse is a stupid fucking kid that has now ruined his life for nothing. He's a criminal and not a hero.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 21, 2020, 04:05:17 PM
What slander? And whether or not you think I'm conservative or not I really don't care. Rittenhouse is a stupid fucking kid that has now ruined his life for nothing. He's a criminal and not a hero.

Stop acting like you are the only one Solar has attacked for their opinion or stance.

Nobody said you are saying slander. I am saying that both our opinions don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Media should be held accountable for their slander.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on November 21, 2020, 04:51:25 PM
Stop acting like you are the only one Solar has attacked for their opinion or stance.

Nobody said you are saying slander. I am saying that both our opinions don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Media should be held accountable for their slander.

What has been slander in the Rittenhouse case. WHAT SLANDER?  I really couldn't care less if you or sky screamer or anyone else attacks me for my opinions. Aleast I base my opinions on facts

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 21, 2020, 05:25:11 PM
What has been slander in the Rittenhouse case. WHAT SLANDER?  I really couldn't care less if you or sky screamer or anyone else attacks me for my opinions. Aleast I base my opinions on facts

Again, nobody said you said any slander.

You sound emotional.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 21, 2020, 03:14:37 PM
No I didn't just drop Scalia's name for no reason. He was the one that wrote in the Helker decision that the 2nd amendment was not unlimited and the restrictions are allowed on it. The feds and states have gun control laws that limit the 2nd amendment.  So your argument the Rittenhouse has 2nd amendment right is utter BS sky screamer. The Supreme Court has already ruled on that many times.  Rittenhouse was a minor in possession of an illegal firearm that he killed 2 people and injured 1 with. He's a criminal  and not a hero.
So was Scalia a liberal with a liberal agenda or not sky screamer?

So you're OK with gutting the 2nd? Lib...

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on November 21, 2020, 05:38:24 PM
Again, nobody said you said any slander.

You sound emotional.

Yep, to the point of unstable.

Alright, that's enough, y'all are going to bed early with no dinner if this shit doesn't stop.

There are allegations against a person made by a political hack DA that is trying to keep their city from being burned to the ground had they not charged Kyle.  So charge they did, big deal.  It is not proof of guilt.

Just because a local jurisdiction enacts a law does not make it constitutional.  There is no age mentioned in the 2A, in fact back then the life expectancy was most died at a young age.  It was not unusual for very young men to take up arms.  Think Civil War which came much later than our independence.  Therefore a 17 year old with a semi-auto .223 cal weapon should in no way be illegal.  Maybe that case needs to go to the Supreme Court?

Kyle was there to help protect local businesses from being looted and burned.  Militia?  Age be damned, did Kyle not have the right to help protect the city when the police were no where to be found?  There are many laws on the books that are not constitutional, but until someone brings an action to change that we have this kind of bullshit.

Kyle will be offered a plea deal to a misdemeanor.  I hope he refuses and takes his case to the Supreme Court.  These restrictions of any type on the 2A are unconstitutional.  And yes, the Vegas shooter had every right to the rifles and the bump stocks.  He did an illegal act of murder, but as far as I'm concerned there were no weapons violations of any type.

No one is a hero, that comes later in life as a recognition of a deed.  Kyle was an American enjoying his constitutional rights as such.  We need more of this, not less.  State laws do not trump the Constitution.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on November 21, 2020, 05:38:24 PM
Again, nobody said you said any slander.

You sound emotional.

You're the one that said there was slander in the Rittenhouse case. I'm asking what slander?

Quote from: Solar on November 21, 2020, 06:00:59 PM
So you're OK with gutting the 2nd? Lib...

Ok first off I'm obviously not a Supreme Court Justice so I have nothing to do with gutting the 2nd amendment sky screamer. 2nd of all I'm not a lib. The Supreme Court is who had heard these cases and said they are constitutional and legal. Not me.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 21, 2020, 07:06:42 PM
Ok first off I'm obviously not a Supreme Court Justice so I have nothing to do with gutting the 2nd amendment sky screamer. 2nd of all I'm not a lib. The Supreme Court is who had heard these cases and said they are constitutional and legal. Not me.

Well, you did get one thing correct, you're not a liberal....you're a flaming LWNJ socialist.....

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 21, 2020, 07:06:42 PM
Ok first off I'm obviously not a Supreme Court Justice so I have nothing to do with gutting the 2nd amendment sky screamer. 2nd of all I'm not a lib. The Supreme Court is who had heard these cases and said they are constitutional and legal. Not me.

If a jury finds him not guilty, or the da drops charges, will you still call him a criminal? Another question, in your opinion, had he been 18 would you still be screaming he is " a stupid fucking kid " " Rittenhouse is a fucking criminal." In other words, do you have a problem with what he did or his age?

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 21, 2020, 07:06:42 PM
Ok first off I'm obviously not a Supreme Court Justice so I have nothing to do with gutting the 2nd amendment sky screamer. 2nd of all I'm not a lib. The Supreme Court is who had heard these cases and said they are constitutional and legal. Not me.

And still you're avoiding answering the question.
Are you OK with some states writing laws curtailing Free Speech?
That is exactly what you're doing here, States wrote laws curtailing the 2nd and you're all for it, so I guess it's safe to say, you're for stifling the First Amendment as well.

Quote from: Possum on November 22, 2020, 03:26:27 AM
If a jury finds him not guilty, or the da drops charges, will you still call him a criminal? Another question, in your opinion, had he been 18 would you still be screaming he is " a stupid fucking kid " " Rittenhouse is a fucking criminal." In other words, do you have a problem with what he did or his age?

This is what happens when one drops all critical thought and reacts solely on emotion. They lose all control and claim others are screaming at the sky.
Fuckin hilarious!   :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Quote from: Solar on November 22, 2020, 04:39:23 AM
This is what happens when one drops all critical thought and reacts solely on emotion. They lose all control and claim others are screaming at the sky.
Fuckin hilarious!   :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

What I see him being so upset with Rittenhouse for is not even a crime in some states. Certainly not guilty of anything for all the name calling. This would be a far greater country if MORE kids were like Rittenhouse and took up arms to protect their neighbors. Screaming "  Rittenhouse is a fucking criminal." is sending a very strong liberal minded message to everyone. Are some people so intent on seeing this kid guilty that 17 year olds are not entitled to presumptuous of innocence? If the argument is that "those" dead people would still be alive had Rittenhouse not been there, is the solution to ban everyone who would protect property? Are we such a nanny state now that we see the "crime" of a 17 year old having a gun over riding the fact that the kid showed remarkably courage in helping his neighbors? And what is the big deal of a 17 year old having a gun, first off where I live a 17 is a man, second, I was 12 when I got my first gun and bought my son his first when he was 13. Guess I am a " fucking criminal" too.

Quote from: Possum on November 22, 2020, 05:02:37 AM
What I see him being so upset with Rittenhouse for is not even a crime in some states. Certainly not guilty of anything for all the name calling. This would be a far greater country if MORE kids were like Rittenhouse and took up arms to protect their neighbors. Screaming "  Rittenhouse is a fucking criminal." is sending a very strong liberal minded message to everyone. Are some people so intent on seeing this kid guilty that 17 year olds are not entitled to presumptuous of innocence? If the argument is that "those" dead people would still be alive had Rittenhouse not been there, is the solution to ban everyone who would protect property? Are we such a nanny state now that we see the "crime" of a 17 year old having a gun over riding the fact that the kid showed remarkably courage in helping his neighbors? And what is the big deal of a 17 year old having a gun, first off where I live a 17 is a man, second, I was 12 when I got my first gun and bought my son his first when he was 13. Guess I am a " fucking criminal" too.

I agree! I have no idea what mental block he has stuck in his head, but not all laws are good, some are outright stupid, and just because they were passed with an intent on protecting, they also stifle those who abide by the law.

Don't try and make sense of this, he is running solely on emotion and refuses to see that a law was passed unconstitutionally, but no one ever stood up to challenge it.

Quote from: Solar on November 22, 2020, 05:09:23 AM
I agree! I have no idea what mental block he has stuck in his head, but not all laws are good, some are outright stupid, and just because they were passed with an intent on protecting, they also stifle those who abide by the law.

Don't try and make sense of this, he is running solely on emotion and refuses to see that a law was passed unconstitutionally, but no one ever stood up to challenge it.

There are no laws that Rittenhouse broke that are unconstitutional. They have been challenged many times in the Supreme Court and been upheld sky screamer. Rittenhouse broke those laws and he is a criminal. It's going to be even worse after January 20, 2021.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 22, 2020, 08:26:32 AM
There are no laws that Rittenhouse broke that are unconstitutional. They have been challenged many times in the Supreme Court and been upheld sky screamer. Rittenhouse broke those laws and he is a criminal. It's going to be even worse after January 20, 2021.

Answer the question emotional one!

Talk about fuckin stupid? They literally must have hired FUX advertising agency. They literally just killed off their company! Sooo sad...


(https://nationalfile.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Kyle-Rittenhouse-Black-Rifle-Coffee-1024x538.jpg)


Black Rifle Coffee Condemns Kyle Rittenhouse, May Dump Sponsorship Of Media Defending Him


Black Rifle Coffee is under fire from conservatives this weekend after it came out in opposition to alleged Kenosha shooter Kyle Rittenhouse wearing their t-shirt in a photo, saying the company does not engage in "legal advocacy" and seemingly threatening to end its sponsorship with The Blaze for posting the photo of the 17-year-old.
Initially, Black Rifle Coffee released a statement insisting that "we do not support legal advocacy efforts. We do not sponsor nor do we have a relationship with the 17-year-old facing charges in Kenosha, WI," as reported by Media Right News, who also reported that the company would end its advertising relationship with The Blaze over the image of Rittenhouse wearing their t-shirt.

https://nationalfile.com/black-rifle-coffee-condemns-kyle-rittenhouse-may-dump-sponsorship-of-media-defending-him/


Screw em, I just placed an order with  https://www.doyoucovfefe.com/

Stupid, just stupid.  I now have very little respect for Rittenhouse and those attorneys.  Clouds must have been on to something I didn't see.

QuoteThe photo of Rittenhouse in the Black Rifle Coffee shirt was posted by attorney Lin Wood, who represents Rittenhouse and is assisting President Donald Trump in challenging the presidential election outcome in Georgia. Wood identified the two men standing with Rittenhouse as attorney John Pierce, at left, and actor Ricky Schroder.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/11/21/utah-coffee-company-faces/

Quote from: BayouCountry on November 22, 2020, 12:33:23 PM
Stupid, just stupid.  I now have very little respect for Rittenhouse and those attorneys.  Clouds must have been on to something I didn't see.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/11/21/utah-coffee-company-faces/

So how does this differ from my post above? And what is your issue with Rittenhouse?

Quote from: Solar on November 22, 2020, 12:42:06 PM
So how does this differ from my post above? And what is your issue with Rittenhouse?

It shows lack of judgement.  Now I have to question Rittenhouse's other decisions.

Worse yet, what will the potential jurors think about the picture?

Quote from: Solar on November 22, 2020, 08:32:40 AM
Answer the question emotional one!

So apparently it's ok for convicted felons to conceal carry pistols. Also it should be ok for my grandkids to carry firearms to school. There is no age limits or restrictions on the 2nd amendment.  Apparently preschoolers carrying firearms is ok. I got it now. Laws don't apply. As far as your question sky screamer I will follow the law just like you will. I'm not rich enough to have lawyers on retainer. You still never answered the question I asked you ago. Why don't you walk around open carrying any firearm where you live? It's because you know you will be arrested for violating an unconstitutional law. If you kill an intruder in your house with a firearm you will be arrested and charged with murder. Rittenhouse was a minor in possession of an illegal firearm. He committed a felony when. He took possession of the firearm. If he gave someone else the money to buy the firearm for him that is also another felony. Rittenhouse is a criminal regardless of what else happened. That is fact sky screamer.

Quote from: BayouCountry on November 22, 2020, 12:48:22 PM
It shows lack of judgement.  Now I have to question Rittenhouse's other decisions.

Worse yet, what will the potential jurors think about the picture?

None of what you say makes sense. Read my post/link. This has nothing to do Rittenhouse and everything to do with a coffee company chastising a picture of someone they don't support.
That was a stupid move on their part because their competitor does support our 2nd Amendment.

Now I'm confused.  What the fuck does that T shirt have to do with anything?  If the Black Rifle Co. doesn't like the kid wearing it, so what?  Doesn't change a thing, except I will never buy a thing from Black Rifle coffee.  All of a sudden Black Rifle, who did some great commercials, is jumping on the politically correct bandwagon?  Well good for them.

How is wearing a T shirt show some type of judgement one way or the other?  Kyle can wear any shirt he wants to, last I checked this is America.  Black Rifle is perfectly free to shoot themselves in the foot if that's what they choose to do.

Why is this even being tried in the court of public opinion?  Nobody knows the facts of the case.  It was a political charging document.  What more proof do you need?  The democraps are letting their cities burn to the ground to satisfy the mob.

This is nothing more than another Soros attempt to do damage to America.  Canon fodder for the anti gun club.

Saw a picture of a goat with two AK-47's strapped to him.  The heading on the photo read; "I'll be damned if I get raped by another muslim today."  I guess someone will suggest the goat broke the law by being in possession of the AK's, or the goat was underage, or the goat crossed state lines and finally, someone bought the weapons for the goat.  Doesn't matter, a goat has the right to defend himself against any muslim attempting to rape him.  Case closed.

Quote from: Pop Daddy on November 22, 2020, 04:41:52 PM
Now I'm confused.  What the fuck does that T shirt have to do with anything?  If the Black Rifle Co. doesn't like the kid wearing it, so what?  Doesn't change a thing, except I will never buy a thing from Black Rifle coffee.  All of a sudden Black Rifle, who did some great commercials, is jumping on the politically correct bandwagon?  Well good for them.

How is wearing a T shirt show some type of judgement one way or the other?  Kyle can wear any shirt he wants to, last I checked this is America.  Black Rifle is perfectly free to shoot themselves in the foot if that's what they choose to do.

Why is this even being tried in the court of public opinion?  Nobody knows the facts of the case.  It was a political charging document.  What more proof do you need?  The democraps are letting their cities burn to the ground to satisfy the mob.

This is nothing more than another Soros attempt to do damage to America.  Canon fodder for the anti gun club.

Saw a picture of a goat with two AK-47's strapped to him.  The heading on the photo read; "I'll be damned if I get raped by another muslim today."  I guess someone will suggest the goat broke the law by being in possession of the AK's, or the goat was underage, or the goat crossed state lines and finally, someone bought the weapons for the goat.  Doesn't matter, a goat has the right to defend himself against any muslim attempting to rape him.  Case closed.

That's the thing! All Black Rock had to do was keep it's mouth shut and look the other way, but for whatever reason, they felt compelled to take sides, the wrong side and now it probably cost them their company.

Quote from: Solar on November 22, 2020, 05:40:29 PM
That's the thing! All Black Rock had to do was keep it's mouth shut and look the other way, but for whatever reason, they felt compelled to take sides, the wrong side and now it probably cost them their company.

gangbusters?
Spoken like a true sky screamer. Why do you want a good company to fail? Black Rifle Coffee has a right to denounce a criminal promoting their business.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 22, 2020, 05:50:51 PM
gangbusters?
Spoken like a true sky screamer. Why do you want a good company to fail? Black Rifle Coffee has a right to denounce a criminal promoting their business.

They have every Right to pick sides, but not a smart thing to do regardless. Had they simply ignored it, this would have been over by tonight, but they decided to take political side, literally killing off their customer base, the base that built their company, a company that prided itself on supporting the 2nd.

I don't know if you're even aware? But only libs want Rittenhouse convicted. Like I've told you in the past, pick your battles wisely, otherwise you wind up falling on your own petard.

Quote from: Solar on November 22, 2020, 06:10:02 PM
They have every Right to pick sides, but not a smart thing to do regardless. Had they simply ignored it, this would have been over by tonight, but they decided to take political side, literally killing off their customer base, the base that built their company, a company that prided itself on supporting the 2nd.

I don't know if you're even aware? But only libs want Rittenhouse convicted. Like I've told you in the past, pick your battles wisely, otherwise you wind up falling on your own petard.

Speak for yourself sky screamer. You don't speak for everyone that supports our Constitution.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 22, 2020, 05:50:51 PM
gangbusters?
Spoken like a true sky screamer. Why do you want a good company to fail? Black Rifle Coffee has a right to denounce a criminal promoting their business.

When was Kyle Rittenhouse convicted of a crime...........?

Quote from: Bronx on November 22, 2020, 08:20:33 PM
When was Kyle Rittenhouse convicted of a crime...........?

You don't have to be convicted of a crime to be a criminal. Rittenhouse was involved in atleast 1 felony and possibly 2.

Criminal

noun

1: one who has committed a crime

2: a person who has been convicted of a crime

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 22, 2020, 08:25:39 PM
You don't have to be convicted of a crime to be a criminal. Rittenhouse was involved in atleast 1 felony and possibly 2.

Criminal

noun

1: one who has committed a crime

2: a person who has been convicted of a crime

What crimes?

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 22, 2020, 08:25:39 PM
You don't have to be convicted of a crime to be a criminal. Rittenhouse was involved in atleast 1 felony and possibly 2.

Criminal

noun

1: one who has committed a crime

2: a person who has been convicted of a crime

So answer the question, if charges are dropped, or a jury finds him not guilty, are you still going to scream "Rittenhouse is a fucking criminal"? See, like I said, where I live, he did not commit any crime, so I definitely can see where a jury will find him not guilty, I think the law is wrong not what the kid did. The kid borrowed a gun, big frigging deal, growing up that was common. But, we can not see what will happen but I can not understand all the screaming about how he is now a criminal ruined for life. How about the innocent till proven guilty part? I will say thank God Rittenhouse was able to protect himself, had he not, this issue would be over and forgotten and he would just be another victim of the liberalism that is ruining this country. Hate to see someone jump on the wrong side of this issue because of a bad law. 

Quote from: Possum on November 23, 2020, 03:45:25 AM
So answer the question, if charges are dropped, or a jury finds him not guilty, are you still going to scream "Rittenhouse is a fucking criminal"? See, like I said, where I live, he did not commit any crime, so I definitely can see where a jury will find him not guilty, I think the law is wrong not what the kid did. The kid borrowed a gun, big frigging deal, growing up that was common. But, we can not see what will happen but I can not understand all the screaming about how he is now a criminal ruined for life. How about the innocent till proven guilty part? I will say thank God Rittenhouse was able to protect himself, had he not, this issue would be over and forgotten and he would just be another victim of the liberalism that is ruining this country. Hate to see someone jump on the wrong side of this issue because of a bad law.

If I got the non-propaganda story correct, he was called to service by his militia, was distributed a militia weapon, and was acting on orders from the militia.  When I compare his actions to the law covering militias, he broke no laws....

Has lefty, the felon who had the handgun and attempted to murder Kyle, ever get arrested and charged?

Quote from: Owebo on November 23, 2020, 04:02:14 AM
If I got the non-propaganda story correct, he was called to service by his militia, was distributed a militia weapon, and was acting on orders from the militia.  When I compare his actions to the law covering militias, he broke no laws....

That sums it up where it is easy to understand.  :thumbup:

QuoteHas lefty, the felon who had the handgun and attempted to murder Kyle, ever get arrested and charged?

Good question, Can only find that he is still in the hospital receiving treatment.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 22, 2020, 12:58:52 PM
So apparently it's ok for convicted felons to conceal carry pistols. Also it should be ok for my grandkids to carry firearms to school. There is no age limits or restrictions on the 2nd amendment.  Apparently preschoolers carrying firearms is ok. I got it now. Laws don't apply. As far as your question sky screamer I will follow the law just like you will. I'm not rich enough to have lawyers on retainer. You still never answered the question I asked you ago. Why don't you walk around open carrying any firearm where you live? It's because you know you will be arrested for violating an unconstitutional law. If you kill an intruder in your house with a firearm you will be arrested and charged with murder. Rittenhouse was a minor in possession of an illegal firearm. He committed a felony when. He took possession of the firearm. If he gave someone else the money to buy the firearm for him that is also another felony. Rittenhouse is a criminal regardless of what else happened. That is fact sky screamer.

Now he faces two felony charges of homicide in the deaths of Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony M. Huber, and a felony attempted homicide charge in Grosskreutz's incident. Rittenhouse is also facing charges of possessing a dangerous weapon while under the age of 18, which is a misdemeanor. Under Wisconsin law he is not legally allowed to possess a gun at his age. His attorney says he acted in self-defense.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 22, 2020, 08:25:39 PM
You don't have to be convicted of a crime to be a criminal. Rittenhouse was involved in atleast 1 felony and possibly 2.

Criminal

noun

1: one who has committed a crime

2: a person who has been convicted of a crime

C'mon really.....Where does it state "You don't have to be convicted of a crime to be a criminal".

The democrat party really has your soul with this mob rule democracy bullshit.........you convicted this man with your feelings, you convicted this man even before he had a trial.

You can have the last word...no debating a man that can't comprehend his own post.........look at your post above, the bold words HAS and BEEN in the sentences you posted maybe you will see the era of your ways.............you have a Blessed day.

Quote from: Possum on November 23, 2020, 03:45:25 AM
So answer the question, if charges are dropped, or a jury finds him not guilty, are you still going to scream "Rittenhouse is a fucking criminal"? See, like I said, where I live, he did not commit any crime, so I definitely can see where a jury will find him not guilty, I think the law is wrong not what the kid did. The kid borrowed a gun, big frigging deal, growing up that was common. But, we can not see what will happen but I can not understand all the screaming about how he is now a criminal ruined for life. How about the innocent till proven guilty part? I will say thank God Rittenhouse was able to protect himself, had he not, this issue would be over and forgotten and he would just be another victim of the liberalism that is ruining this country. Hate to see someone jump on the wrong side of this issue because of a bad law.

It doesn't matter whether it's a bad law or not. It was a felony to borrow the rifle and walk around in public with it. If he had someone buy the rifle for him it is another felony. He is a criminal. And to answer your question IF all charges are dropped I will stop calling the criminal a criminal.

Quote from: Bronx on November 23, 2020, 04:54:18 AM
C'mon really.....Where does it state "You don't have to be convicted of a crime to be a criminal".

The democrat party really has your soul with this mob rule democracy bullshit.........you convicted this man with your feelings, you convicted this man even before he had a trial.

You can have the last word...no debating a man that can't comprehend his own post.........look at your post above, the bold words HAS and BEEN in the sentences you posted maybe you will see the era of your ways.............you have a Blessed day.

It says has committed a crime which he did.  He is a criminal.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 22, 2020, 08:05:35 PM
Speak for yourself sky screamer. You don't speak for everyone that supports our Constitution.

Wrong lib, we support the Constitution, just not the one leftists destroyed.

Like I asked earlier, if the left managed to gut the First Amendment and stifle free speech and a fight broke out over protests, people died at the hands of Patriots, would you take the side of the left again?

You really should check yourself, you allowed emotion to cloud your judgment, and now you've rooted yourself on the left, though not the first time, but every time you you moved left, it was all based in emption.

OK, go ahead with your BS sky screamer BS, that really convinces everyone you know what you're talking about, I'm sure.. :rolleyes:

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 23, 2020, 05:11:53 AM
It says has committed a crime which he did.  He is a criminal.

What crime snowflake?

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 23, 2020, 05:08:15 AM
It doesn't matter whether it's a bad law or not. It was a felony to borrow the rifle and walk around in public with it. If he had someone buy the rifle for him it is another felony. He is a criminal. And to answer your question IF all charges are dropped I will stop calling the criminal a criminal.

Guess again,

QuoteNow he faces two felony charges of homicide in the deaths of Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony M. Huber, and a felony attempted homicide charge in Grosskreutz's incident. Rittenhouse is also facing charges of possessing a dangerous weapon while under the age of 18, which is a misdemeanor. Under Wisconsin law he is not legally allowed to possess a gun at his age. His attorney says he acted in self-defense.

Quote from: Possum on November 23, 2020, 05:16:23 AM
Guess again,

ARRRGGHHH!!!! He's a criminal!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Quote from: Solar on November 23, 2020, 05:25:15 AM
ARRRGGHHH!!!! He's a criminal!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I've looked for age restrictions for militia members and I can't find them anywhere....

Quote from: Owebo on November 23, 2020, 05:15:58 AM
What crime snowflake?

It's all about "Feewings" ya know...
Libs want us to believe it's illegal to disagree with them now, that feelings override facts.

Quote from: Solar on November 23, 2020, 05:27:26 AM
It's all about "Feewings" ya know...
Libs want us to believe it's illegal to disagree with them now, that feelings override facts.

The LWNJs are batshit insane....:lol:

Quote from: Bronx on November 23, 2020, 04:54:18 AM
C'mon really.....Where does it state "You don't have to be convicted of a crime to be a criminal".

The democrat party really has your soul with this mob rule democracy bullshit.........you convicted this man with your feelings, you convicted this man even before he had a trial.

You can have the last word...no debating a man that can't comprehend his own post.........look at your post above, the bold words HAS and BEEN in the sentences you posted maybe you will see the era of your ways.............you have a Blessed day.

Excellent point Bronx, a criminal can only be labeled as such if they have been convicted in a court of law. No one has been convicted as of yet, and the perps were allowed to walk free.

Quote from: Owebo on November 23, 2020, 04:02:14 AM
If I got the non-propaganda story correct, he was called to service by his militia, was distributed a militia weapon, and was acting on orders from the militia.  When I compare his actions to the law covering militias, he broke no laws....

Has lefty, the felon who had the handgun and attempted to murder Kyle, ever get arrested and charged?

That's what I heard as well, that and he only lives 20 minutes away, these are friends of his who happen to own business on the street rioters were attacking.
Of course facts always get in the way of a good ol fashioned lib meltdown.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 23, 2020, 05:11:53 AM
It says has committed a crime which he did.  He is a criminal.

People are trying to explain to you that you shouldn't convict before all facts are presented in a trial.  You seem to have already convicted Rittenhouse based on feelings; not the law.

Quote
Under Wisconsin statutes that say anyone under 18 who "goes armed" with any deadly weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor, Kyle Rittenhouse, 17, was not old enough to legally carry the assault-style rifle he had.

But John Monroe, a lawyer who specializes in gun rights cases, believes an exception for rifles and shotguns, intended to allow people age 16 and 17 to hunt, could apply.

Tom Grieve, a Milwaukee defense lawyer who also specializes in gun cases, agreed the exception might apply beyond hunting, but said that part of the law is poorly drafted. He said he would argue to apply a rule of law that interprets ambiguous criminal statutes in favor of the defendant.

Rittenhouse could be in violation of having a gun within a gun-free zone, if there was one covering, for instance, a school nearby. Also, Illinois law requires anyone who owns any kind of firearm in that state to have a Firearm Owners Identification card, but that is only available to someone 21 or older, or someone with a sponsor who is 21 and eligible for a card.

Rittenhouse did not own the gun, his lawyer said Friday.

"Kyle did not carry a gun across state line," L. Lin Wood said in a tweet Friday morning. "The gun belonged to his friend, a Wisconsin resident. The gun never left the state of Wisconsin."

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/26/wisconsin-open-carry-law-kyle-rittenhouse-legally-have-gun-kenosha-protest-shooting-17-year-old/3444231001/

Quote from: BayouCountry on November 23, 2020, 06:14:04 AM
People are trying to explain to you that you shouldn't convict before all facts are presented in a trial.  You seem to have already convicted Rittenhouse based on feelings; not the law.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/26/wisconsin-open-carry-law-kyle-rittenhouse-legally-have-gun-kenosha-protest-shooting-17-year-old/3444231001/

No. I'm saying he is a criminal based on facts. He was not permitted to illegally carry the rifle he used. He didn't own the rifle and was involved in a felony to get the rifle. There is no way possible for him to be legally in possession of the rifle he used. Later information has come out that IF true Rittenhouse committed another felony because he supposedly gave his friend the money to buy the gun for him. That is a straw purchase which is a felony. Also the law says Rittenhouse has to have training and certificates that he does not have to legally open carry a firearm at 17yo for hunting. He was not hunting so he was not legal in carrying the firearm. Those are facts and the law. Rittenhouse is a criminal because he committed crimes.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 23, 2020, 06:44:12 AM
No. I'm saying he is a criminal based on facts. He was not permitted to illegally carry the rifle he used. He didn't own the rifle and was involved in a felony to get the rifle. There is no way possible for him to be legally in possession of the rifle he used. Later information has come out that IF true Rittenhouse committed another felony because he supposedly gave his friend the money to buy the gun for him. That is a straw purchase which is a felony. Also the law says Rittenhouse has to have training and certificates that he does not have to legally open carry a firearm at 17yo for hunting. He was not hunting so he was not legal in carrying the firearm. Those are facts and the law. Rittenhouse is a criminal because he committed crimes.

What crimes snowflake?

Quote from: Solar on November 23, 2020, 05:34:39 AM
Excellent point Bronx, a criminal can only be labeled as such if they have been convicted in a court of law. No one has been convicted as of yet, and the perps were allowed to walk free.

His 17 years old argument is to justify Rittenhouse attackers to go free of charge.

There is a big difference between rule of law and mob rule............our Founding Fathers drew that line in the sand when they gave us a Republic over a democracy. You can clearly see democracy (mob rule) and a Republic (rule of law) separated in this thread.

Lady justice doesn't picks up her blindfold to take a peek at who is to be guilty before a trial verdict. Only mob rule does that..... not a Republic for which I stand.

Answer the question sky screamer or anyone else that wants to prove themselves to be lying the lying hypocrites that are.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 23, 2020, 07:53:36 AM
Answer the question sky screamer or anyone else that wants to prove themselves to be lying the lying hypocrites that are.

Indeed snowflake....what crimes?

So what you're saying is the felon with a hand gun had a right to point it at a criminal with a rifle and the criminal with the rifle won? I haven't changed my position in the least.  Is it ok for children to be patrolling the streets with firearms? Is it ok for children at any age to buy and have firearms? Is ok for violent felons to buy and have firearms? Is it ok for illegal immigrants to buy and have firearms? Is it ok for convicted wife beaters to have firearms? What do you say to that sky screamer?

You must be okay with all the kids in Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, NY and LA carrying guns to protect themselves not to mention all the felons and gangbangers?

Quote from: Bronx on November 23, 2020, 07:48:52 AM
His 17 years old argument is to justify Rittenhouse attackers to go free of charge.

There is a big difference between rule of law and mob rule............our Founding Fathers drew that line in the sand when they gave us a Republic over a democracy. You can clearly see democracy (mob rule) and a Republic (rule of law) separated in this thread.

Lady justice doesn't picks up her blindfold to take a peek at who is to be guilty before a trial verdict. Only mob rule does that..... not a Republic for which I stand.

Funny how so many want to protect mob rule, looting, burning, yet castigate a young man standing up to the mob.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 23, 2020, 08:00:03 AM
So what you're saying is the felon with a hand gun had a right to point it at a criminal with a rifle and the criminal with the rifle won? I haven't changed my position in the least.  Is it ok for children to be patrolling the streets with firearms? Is it ok for children at any age to buy and have firearms? Is ok for violent felons to buy and have firearms? Is it ok for illegal immigrants to buy and have firearms? Is it ok for convicted wife beaters to have firearms? What do you say to that sky screamer?

You must be okay with all the kids in Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, NY and LA carrying guns to protect themselves not to mention all the felons and gangbangers?

Hmm....

You must be at least 17 to enlist in any branch of the active military.   

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 20, 2020, 03:00:54 PM
Amazing how people have been duped into bailing out a criminal. I hope he gets what he deserves.

What this boy really deserves is our respect.

Why he did it so stupidly and thoughtlessly is another matter. Perhaps the mental stress was impossible to bear for such a young man.

When a gang of baboons armed with clubs moves on you, you start to feel insecure, even if you have a rifle in your hands,

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on November 23, 2020, 08:40:36 AM
What this boy really deserves is our respect.

Agree!!!
Sometimes doing what's Right comes with consequence, but not doing anything at all, can lead to even worse consequences.
These riots ended after this, so there's that. :thumbup:

Quote from: walkstall on November 23, 2020, 08:15:18 AM
You must be at least 17 to enlist in any branch of the active military.

I am generally against sending young boys to war. 30-year-olds are more enduring, and 40-year-olds fight better than young ones.

Quote from: Solar on November 23, 2020, 09:00:41 AM
Agree!!!
Sometimes doing what's Right comes with consequence, but not doing anything at all, can lead to even worse consequences.
These riots ended after this, so there's that. :thumbup:

Well said.  President Trump's use of the National Guard and stiffening federal sentences for tearing down statues also put a stop to much of the violence.

Quote from: BayouCountry on November 23, 2020, 10:40:49 AM
Well said.  President Trump's use of the National Guard and stiffening federal sentences for tearing down statues also put a stop to much of the violence.

Now if only Portland and Seattle would wake up and allow the Fed to come in and do its job.
I just read where another 135 police just bailed on Seattle. What will this do to law and order? Will people be forced to take law into their owns hands too?

It's sad that good people are forced into situations where bad things happen.

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on November 23, 2020, 09:21:56 AM
I am generally against sending young boys to war. 30-year-olds are more enduring, and 40-year-olds fight better than young ones.

My point is if your old enough to be in the military your Old Enough to have a gun.
Not any definition then if your old enough to be in the military your old enough to vote.

I would say once you have been trained to be a killing machine.  It don't take long if you can stay alive for a year or two.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 23, 2020, 06:44:12 AM
No. I'm saying he is a criminal based on facts. He was not permitted to illegally carry the rifle he used. He didn't own the rifle and was involved in a felony to get the rifle. There is no way possible for him to be legally in possession of the rifle he used. Later information has come out that IF true Rittenhouse committed another felony because he supposedly gave his friend the money to buy the gun for him. That is a straw purchase which is a felony. Also the law says Rittenhouse has to have training and certificates that he does not have to legally open carry a firearm at 17yo for hunting. He was not hunting so he was not legal in carrying the firearm. Those are facts and the law. Rittenhouse is a criminal because he committed crimes.

You keep saying this and I keep posting what he is actually charged with.

QuoteNow he faces two felony charges of homicide in the deaths of Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony M. Huber, and a felony attempted homicide charge in Grosskreutz's incident. Rittenhouse is also facing charges of possessing a dangerous weapon while under the age of 18, which is a misdemeanor. Under Wisconsin law he is not legally allowed to possess a gun at his age. His attorney says he acted in self-defense.

I'm guessing here either the da had not talked to you or the law reads something else.

Quote from: walkstall on November 23, 2020, 11:32:33 AM
My point is if your old enough to be in the military your Old Enough to have a gun.
Not any definition then if your old enough to be in the military your old enough to vote.

I understand. My own uncle was taken to the 2 WW front at the age of 17 (1943) and remained in the war until 1945. But in the USSR, all older men by that time had either been killed or wounded in the war.

Quote from: Solar on November 23, 2020, 08:13:23 AM
Funny how so many want to protect mob rule, looting, burning, yet castigate a young man standing up to the mob.

Exactly.......!

Quote from: Solar on November 23, 2020, 08:13:23 AM
Funny how so many want to protect mob rule, looting, burning, yet castigate a young man standing up to the mob.

Yep....that's why we have people like Kyle and his well regulated militia....

Quote from: Owebo on November 23, 2020, 02:54:08 PM
Yep....that's why we have people like Kyle and his well regulated militia....

:thumbsup:
Yes, he's the future, he and those like him need and deserve our support, in spite of what libs want.

https://twitter.com/rickyschroder13/status/1330506337613070339

Rittenhouse 17yo resident of Illinois gave Black 19yo Wisconsin resident money and asked him to buy him a firearm. That is a straw purchase and in every state per federal law is a felony. Rittenhouse and Black are criminals not heroes. Rittenhouse committed crimes before he even thought about going to the riot. Rittenhouse committed crimes before the riots even started.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 26, 2020, 09:43:45 AM
Rittenhouse 17yo resident of Illinois gave Black 19yo Wisconsin resident money and asked him to buy him a firearm. That is a straw purchase and in every state per federal law is a felony. Rittenhouse and Black are criminals not heroes. Rittenhouse committed crimes before he even thought about going to the riot. Rittenhouse committed crimes before the riots even started.

Then show where he was charged with said felony.

Quote from: Solar on November 26, 2020, 10:12:09 AM
Then show where he was charged with said felony.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/11/10/kyle-rittenhouse-friend-charged-bought-him-gun-kenosha-shooting/6231407002/
Black has been charged. Rittenhouse will end up being charged. They are both criminals.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 26, 2020, 10:39:13 AM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/11/10/kyle-rittenhouse-friend-charged-bought-him-gun-kenosha-shooting/6231407002/
Black has been charged. Rittenhouse will end up being charged. They are both criminals.

What crime did Kyle comit? 

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 26, 2020, 10:39:13 AM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/11/10/kyle-rittenhouse-friend-charged-bought-him-gun-kenosha-shooting/6231407002/
Black has been charged. Rittenhouse will end up being charged. They are both criminals.

I'll repeat: Then show where Rittenhouse was charged with said felony.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 26, 2020, 09:43:45 AM
Rittenhouse and Black are criminals not heroes.

So what?

It is not these boys who have violated the local legislation adopted by the scoundrels. The law was violated by those who allowed and allows the processions of bandits organized with the money of Bloomberg Bezos Soros Zuckerberg Brin ...

These are the above should go to jail. It's Biden and his filthy whore to be in jail. This is the Clinton clan to be in jail, this is the Cuomo brothers to be in jail, and the mayor of New York City is to hang on a lantern in Time Square.

Quote from: Solar on November 26, 2020, 01:04:43 PM
I'll repeat: Then show where Rittenhouse was charged with said felony.

Rittenhouse's case is not over yet sky screamer. He committed a felony a will be charged now that new evidence has come out.

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on November 26, 2020, 01:53:49 PM
So what?

It is not these boys who have violated the local legislation adopted by the scoundrels. The law was violated by those who allowed and allows the processions of bandits organized with the money of Bloomberg Bezos Soros Zuckerberg Brin ...

These are the above should go to jail. It's Biden and his filthy whore to be in jail. This is the Clinton clan to be in jail, this is the Cuomo brothers to be in jail, and the mayor of New York City is to hang on a lantern in Time Square.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:    :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Justice!!!

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on November 26, 2020, 01:53:49 PM
So what?

It is not these boys who have violated the local legislation adopted by the scoundrels. The law was violated by those who allowed and allows the processions of bandits organized with the money of Bloomberg Bezos Soros Zuckerberg Brin ...

These are the above should go to jail. It's Biden and his filthy whore to be in jail. This is the Clinton clan to be in jail, this is the Cuomo brothers to be in jail, and the mayor of New York City is to hang on a lantern in Time Square.

Rittenhouse and Black are no better than the other criminals that were at the riot. That's what.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 26, 2020, 02:21:27 PM
Rittenhouse's case is not over yet sky screamer. He committed a felony a will be charged now that new evidence has come out.

So now you move the goal post once again. :rolleyes:

Quote from: Solar on November 26, 2020, 02:25:18 PM
So now you move the goal post once again. :rolleyes:

I have never moved the goal post since the beginning sky screamer. I've said from the very beginning Rittenhouse committed his crimes before he ever went to the riot. Now new evidence shows months before the riots even started. For someone that says he use to be in law enforcement why don't you know what a straw purchase is sky screamer? Oh that's right you're a liar and a hypocrite.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 26, 2020, 02:23:19 PM
Rittenhouse and Black are no better than the other criminals that were at the riot. That's what.

You are saying Rittenhouse got a friend who was of age to buy him a gun that he wanted. And for that he is no better that the scum who are rioting and burning down buildings??? Are we to take you serious? By the way here is what he is charged with, again.

QuoteNow he faces two felony charges of homicide in the deaths of Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony M. Huber, and a felony attempted homicide charge in Grosskreutz's incident. Rittenhouse is also facing charges of possessing a dangerous weapon while under the age of 18, which is a misdemeanor. Under Wisconsin law he is not legally allowed to possess a gun at his age. His attorney says he acted in self-defense.

Do you know something the D.A. does not?

Quote from: Possum on November 26, 2020, 04:00:25 PM
You are saying Rittenhouse got a friend who was of age to buy him a gun that he wanted. And for that he is no better that the scum who are rioting and burning down buildings??? Are we to take you serious? By the way here is what he is charged with, again.   Do you know something the D.A. does not?

Yes I'm saying Rittenhouse and Black are criminals just like the rioters. Rittenhouse knew he was breaking the law and Black knew he was breaking the law. The laws they broke were felony offenses. Straw purchases are felonies. That's what Rittenhouse and Black did. They are criminals and they are not heroes.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 26, 2020, 04:25:01 PM
Yes I'm saying Rittenhouse and Black are criminals just like the rioters. Rittenhouse knew he was breaking the law and Black knew he was breaking the law. The laws they broke were felony offenses. Straw purchases are felonies. That's what Rittenhouse and Black did. They are criminals and they are not heroes.

Again, here is what the D.A. is charging them with,

QuoteRittenhouse is also facing charges of possessing a dangerous weapon while under the age of 18, which is a misdemeanor.e.

You can yell and scream at the sky all you want about what you think he should be charged with, but it don't matter. If he is not charged for breaking laws you are saying he is guilty of, how can he be a criminal for breaking them? Do you have more information than the D.A.?

Quote from: Possum on November 26, 2020, 04:34:21 PM
Again, here is what the D.A. is charging them with,  You can yell and scream at the sky all you want about what you think he should be charged with, but it don't matter. If he is not charged for breaking laws you are saying he is guilty of, how can he be a criminal for breaking them? Do you have more information than the D.A.?

Just because he hasn't been charged yet with the crimes he committed doesn't mean he didn't commit those crimes. Just because he hasn't been convicted doesn't mean he is not a criminal. No matter how much you scream at the sky 2ND AMENDMENT it doesn't mean shit. Rittenhouse and Black are criminals. Rittenhouse's case is not over yet and the information about the straw purchase is new.  Straw purchases are felonies and the criminals knew it.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 26, 2020, 02:31:24 PM
I have never moved the goal post since the beginning sky screamer. I've said from the very beginning Rittenhouse committed his crimes before he ever went to the riot. Now new evidence shows months before the riots even started. For someone that says he use to be in law enforcement why don't you know what a straw purchase is sky screamer? Oh that's right you're a liar and a hypocrite.

No lib, show where Rittenhouse was charged with said felony. That's where you keep moving the goal post!
So prove it!

Quote from: Solar on November 26, 2020, 05:08:49 PM
No lib, show where Rittenhouse was charged with said felony. That's where you keep moving the goal post!
So prove it!

You can't show anywhere I said he was convicted of a felony sky screamer. I said Rittenhouse and Black have COMMITTED multiple felonies. You're the lying hypocrite that says they have a 2nd Amendment right to do so even though state and federal law says different.
So tell me sky screamer since you were supposedly a LEO is a straw purchase a felony? Also tell me how in anyway did Rittenhouse legally possess the firearm he used? This should be good if you answer the question.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 26, 2020, 02:23:19 PM
Rittenhouse and Black are no better than the other criminals that were at the riot. That's what.

Maybe. But these boys did not go to shoot at schools, as the mad leftist did a few years ago. But they went to defend themselves, their parents and their neighbors.

In 1896, a well-known Russian lawyer, Fyodor Plevako, defended a Jewish youth in court who shot a "Black Hundred" bandit (which resonates well with "Black Lives", right?).

The prosecutor demanded that the jury find the Jew guilty and send him to Siberia for life (there was no Capital punishment in the Russian Empire), since the attacker did not have a firearm, but only a saber.

But Plevako's lawyer made a speech in which he convincingly proved that he himself would use a pistol against any bandit with big fists, stick, saber or mace.

And the jury, simple Russian men, understood the lawyer correctly and freed the young man from criminal responsibility.

The simple men understood, but you did not. It's sad.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 26, 2020, 05:34:44 PM
You can't show anywhere I said he was convicted of a felony sky screamer. I said Rittenhouse and Black have COMMITTED multiple felonies. You're the lying hypocrite that says they have a 2nd Amendment right to do so even though state and federal law says different.
So tell me sky screamer since you were supposedly a LEO is a straw purchase a felony? Also tell me how in anyway did Rittenhouse legally possess the firearm he used? This should be good if you answer the question.

Stop trying to move the goal post! I said nothing of conviction.  Now answer the question!

Quote from: Solar on November 26, 2020, 06:56:59 PM
Stop trying to move the goal post! I said nothing of conviction.  Now answer the question!

What's the matter sky screamer? Are you so flustered you don't understand what you're reading anymore. I've never said anything about the criminals being charged. I've said they haven't been charged YET!  It's new information to the case. I haven't moved the goal post in any way you lying hypocrite.

So tell me sky screamer since you were supposedly a LEO is a straw purchase a felony? Also tell me how in anyway did Rittenhouse legally possess the firearm he used? This should be good if you answer the question. But you won't answer the question because it will expose you.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 26, 2020, 07:27:28 PM
What's the matter sky screamer? Are you so flustered you don't understand what you're reading anymore. I've never said anything about the criminals being charged. I've said they haven't been charged YET!  It's new information to the case. I haven't moved the goal post in any way you lying hypocrite.

So tell me sky screamer since you were supposedly a LEO is a straw purchase a felony? Also tell me how in anyway did Rittenhouse legally possess the firearm he used? This should be good if you answer the question. But you won't answer the question because it will expose you.

Oh, finally snowflake, a good question....it's nice to see you begin to capitulate your socialist nazi opinions....

Read this and tell us what it says....

A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 26, 2020, 05:00:01 PM
Just because he hasn't been charged yet with the crimes he committed doesn't mean he didn't commit those crimes. Just because he hasn't been convicted doesn't mean he is not a criminal. No matter how much you scream at the sky 2ND AMENDMENT it doesn't mean shit. Rittenhouse and Black are criminals. Rittenhouse's case is not over yet and the information about the straw purchase is new.  Straw purchases are felonies and the criminals knew it.

And we are to just take your word for it? No judge, no jury, no charges filed. Only item that matters is what killer clouds was screaming at the sky? Sorry, we don't live on your world. Rittenhouse will be considered a criminal if he is convicted of the charges brought against him. This is still America, he is still innocent until proven guilty. But if it makes you feel better, go ahead and scream at the sky some more.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 26, 2020, 07:27:28 PM
What's the matter sky screamer? Are you so flustered you don't understand what you're reading anymore. I've never said anything about the criminals being charged. I've said they haven't been charged YET!  It's new information to the case. I haven't moved the goal post in any way you lying hypocrite.

So tell me sky screamer since you were supposedly a LEO is a straw purchase a felony? Also tell me how in anyway did Rittenhouse legally possess the firearm he used? This should be good if you answer the question. But you won't answer the question because it will expose you.

So you think by calling names in avoidance of the question, no one will notice just how big a lib you are?
You have two you have yet to address. One being your claim he's a felon, and the other about the First Amendment.

That being, if a state outlawed your Right to free Speech, would you just as blindly obey their laws? Are you now a willful idiot for the left, that any law they pass, it must be blindly followed as you are doing here?

No more emotional outbursts, no more of your "Sky Screamer' bull shit, just a straight answer. Why are you such a tool of the left?

Quote from: Solar on November 27, 2020, 05:08:15 AM
So you think by calling names in avoidance of the question, no one will notice just how big a lib you are?
You have two you have yet to address. One being your claim he's a felon, and the other about the First Amendment.

That being, if a state outlawed your Right to free Speech, would you just as blindly obey their laws? Are you now a willful idiot for the left, that any law they pass, it must be blindly followed as you are doing here?

No more emotional outbursts, no more of your "Sky Screamer' bull shit, just a straight answer. Why are you such a tool of the left?

I have answered the question many times sky screamer and you have not. I will follow the law. I have not said Rittenhouse is a felon. I said he has committed felonies.
Now sky screamer answer my questions. You won't because it will show your a lying a hypocrite and more of a lib than I'll ever be.
So tell me sky screamer since you were supposedly a LEO is a straw purchase a felony? Also tell me how in anyway did Rittenhouse legally possess the firearm he used? This should be good if you answer the question.
You keep screaming at the sky the DNC is dead. Meanwhile Biden is about to walk into his first term as president.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 27, 2020, 06:11:49 AM
I have answered the question many times sky screamer and you have not. I will follow the law. I have not said Rittenhouse is a felon. I said he has committed felonies.
Now sky screamer answer my questions. You won't because it will show your a lying a hypocrite and more of a lib than I'll ever be.
So tell me sky screamer since you were supposedly a LEO is a straw purchase a felony? Also tell me how in anyway did Rittenhouse legally possess the firearm he used? This should be good if you answer the question.
You keep screaming at the sky the DNC is dead. Meanwhile Biden is about to walk into his first term as president.

Quit avoiding the question lib! This is a 2nd Amendment issue, and the First is equally at risk.
Will you obey a states law inhibiting your Right to Free Speech if they pass one?

Quote from: Solar on November 27, 2020, 06:30:29 AM
Quit avoiding the question lib! This is a 2nd Amendment issue, and the First is equally at risk.
Will you obey a states law inhibiting your Right to Free Speech if they pass one?

Unlike you sky screamer I answered the question many times and I'll doi it AGAIN. I will obey the law.
Now why don't you quit avoiding the questions I asked?  You say I move the goal post but you refuse to even get on the field. You can't and won't back up any of your BS with facts. Both Rittenhouse and Black are criminals. That is a fact. They committed felonies and that is a fact.
So tell me sky screamer since you were supposedly a LEO is a straw purchase a felony? Also tell me how in anyway did Rittenhouse legally possess the firearm he used? This should be good if you answer the question.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 27, 2020, 06:49:22 AM
Unlike you sky screamer I answered the question many times and I'll doi it AGAIN. I will obey the law.
Now why don't you quit avoiding the questions I asked?  You say I move the goal post but you refuse to even get on the field. You can't and won't back up any of your BS with facts. Both Rittenhouse and Black are criminals. That is a fact. They committed felonies and that is a fact.
So tell me sky screamer since you were supposedly a LEO is a straw purchase a felony? Also tell me how in anyway did Rittenhouse legally possess the firearm he used? This should be good if you answer the question.

Well that says it all, you'll willing give up your Liberties and Freedoms even when Marxists pass illegal laws.
You are the epitome of useful idiot! "Oh well, they passed a law telling me I mustn't speak ill of Marxists, I will obey!"

As to your BS about illegally obtaining a weapon, it matters not, he has a clean record, so there is no reason to stop any citizen from obtaining any weapon, regardless of state law!

Wow, what a tool!

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 27, 2020, 06:49:22 AM
. I will obey the law.

So you swear to take up arms and go to defend the President, whose vile enemies have stolen votes in the elections? Or have I misunderstood you somehow?

Quote from: Solar on November 27, 2020, 06:59:14 AM
Well that says it all, you'll willing give up your Liberties and Freedoms even when Marxists pass illegal laws.
You are the epitome of useful idiot! "Oh well, they passed a law telling me I mustn't speak ill of Marxists, I will obey!"

As to your BS about illegally obtaining a weapon, it matters not, he has a clean record, so there is no reason to stop any citizen from obtaining any weapon, regardless of state law!

Wow, what a tool!

It's state and federal law about straw purchases that have been determined to be constitutional. Why do you keep avoiding the question sky screamer? Is a straw purchase a felony or not? Is there any age limit to buying a firearm? If it's a 2nd Amendment issue what does anyones record have to do with anything? ANSWER THE QUESTIONS SKY SCREAMER! You accuse me of being a tool just proves even more what a lying hypocrite you are. You will follow the law or end up in jail. Your screaming at the sky is a joke. You're being emotional like the libs you say you despise but can't and won't back up your argument with facts. Hell you won't even answer a couple simple questions?  You're an idiot and not even useful.
So tell me sky screamer since you were supposedly a LEO is a straw purchase a felony? Also tell me how in anyway did Rittenhouse legally possess the firearm he used? This should be good if you answer the question.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 27, 2020, 07:14:15 AM
It's state and federal law about straw purchases that have been determined to be constitutional. Why do you keep avoiding the question sky screamer? Is a straw purchase a felony or not? Is there any age limit to buying a firearm? If it's a 2nd Amendment issue what does anyones record have to do with anything? ANSWER THE QUESTIONS SKY SCREAMER! You accuse me of being a tool just proves even more what a lying hypocrite you are. You will follow the law or end up in jail. Your screaming at the sky is a joke. You're being emotional like the libs you say you despise but can't and won't back up your argument with facts. Hell you won't even answer a couple simple questions?  You're an idiot and not even useful.
So tell me sky screamer since you were supposedly a LEO is a straw purchase a felony? Also tell me how in anyway did Rittenhouse legally possess the firearm he used? This should be good if you answer the question.

This is irrelevant to the Rittenhouse case as he has not been charged with that crime. You might as well be screaming about assassinating the president  as Rittenhouse has not been charged with that either. If you are debating the crimes Rittenhouse is accused of, look at what he has been charged with.

Quote from: Possum on November 27, 2020, 07:29:47 AM
This is irrelevant to the Rittenhouse case as he has not been charged with that crime. You might as well be screaming about assassinating the president  as Rittenhouse has not been charged with that either. If you are debating the crimes Rittenhouse committed, look at what he has been charged with.

The case is far from over. Just because he hasn't been charged yet doesn't mean he won't be. The straw purchase information came out when Black was arrested. It is relevant to the case because it shows Rittenhouse and Black are criminals just like the rioters and not heroes. They were and are part of the problem. They both committed multiple felonies. How about you answer the questions Possum. Is a straw purchase a felony? How did Rittenhouse legally have possession of the firearm he used?

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 27, 2020, 07:38:52 AM
The case is far from over. Just because he hasn't been charged yet doesn't mean he won't be. The straw purchase information came out when Black was arrested. It is relevant to the case because it shows Rittenhouse and Black are criminals just like the rioters and not heroes. They were and are part of the problem. They both committed multiple felonies. How about you answer the questions Possum. Is a straw purchase a felony? How did Rittenhouse legally have possession of the firearm he used?

Of course a straw purchase is a felony. The D.A. did not charge Rittenhouse with that so it is irrelevant to this case. In this case, for the forth time, here is what is being charged: "charges of possessing a dangerous weapon while under the age of 18, which is a misdemeanor. " From the start, you have been declaring Rittenhouse guilty, and then looked for what he is guilty of. That is the D.A's job. You are not the judge, and jury here. As far as did Rittenhouse have legal possession, I think a judge and jury will decide that. I will say with your screaming about his guilt, I hope you never serve on a jury.

Quote from: Possum on November 27, 2020, 08:04:06 AM
Of course a straw purchase is a felony. The D.A. did not charge Rittenhouse with that so it is irrelevant to this case. In this case, for the forth time, here is what is being charged: "charges of possessing a dangerous weapon while under the age of 18, which is a misdemeanor. " From the start, you have been declaring Rittenhouse guilty, and then looked for what he is guilty of. That is the D.A's job. You are not the judge, and jury here. As far as did Rittenhouse have legal possession, I think a judge and jury will decide that. I will say with your screaming about his guilt, I hope you never serve on a jury.

So you admit that Rittenhouse committed a felony before the riots even started? The case is not over and he has not been charged with a straw purchase YET. Rittenhouse threw the first punch in the fight. The straw purchase is new information and Black is being charged for giving the weapon to Rittenhouse. The misdemeanor charge of minor in possession of a firearm will be amended. He did not legally own the firearm. Straw purchases are covered under state and federal law. Rittenhouse and Black are both criminals and this case is far from over. As far as serving on a jury I feel the same about you as you show the inability to process facts and the truth.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 27, 2020, 08:20:43 AM
So you admit that Rittenhouse committed a felony before the riots even started? The case is not over and he has not been charged with a straw purchase YET. Rittenhouse threw the first punch in the fight. The straw purchase is new information and Black is being charged for giving the weapon to Rittenhouse. The misdemeanor charge of minor in possession of a firearm will be amended. He did not legally own the firearm. Straw purchases are covered under state and federal law. Rittenhouse and Black are both criminals and this case is far from over. As far as serving on a jury I feel the same about you as you show the inability to process facts and the truth.

Well, here's part of the problem, you can not read what is written. Try again.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 27, 2020, 08:20:43 AM
So you admit that Rittenhouse committed a felony before the riots even started? The case is not over and he has not been charged with a straw purchase YET. Rittenhouse threw the first punch in the fight. The straw purchase is new information and Black is being charged for giving the weapon to Rittenhouse. The misdemeanor charge of minor in possession of a firearm will be amended. He did not legally own the firearm. Straw purchases are covered under state and federal law. Rittenhouse and Black are both criminals and this case is far from over. As far as serving on a jury I feel the same about you as you show the inability to process facts and the truth.

And you feel the ability to scream guilty before hearing the facts qualifies you to be on a jury?  Wrong. You have heard no facts that will be represented at the trial, yet you claim to be an expert on all the facts. Thank God the founding fathers did not think like you.

First, state and local laws do not suspend the Constitution or Bill of Rights.  It is very clear no government in the United States shall infringe on the right of individuals to possess firearms.  Written very simply and age was not an issue since many young men were part of militias especially if the father was not in the home.  Any restrictions on that right are unconstitutional, period.  The meaning of shall not be infringed means that there shall be no restrictions on weapon types or capacity of magazines, and nowhere does it say it's OK to ban a rifle because it's black and scares people.

So the law is the law, eh?  OK, how's this one?  "Since 2006, a federal regulation has prohibited exporting pennies or nickels from the United States without a special license from the U.S. Mint," Chase writes. "Under 31 U.S.C. § 5111(d)(2), doing so knowingly is a federal crime and is punishable by up to five years in prison."

That "pennies and nickels" law is as unlawful as saying a 17 year old can't buy, own, transfer, sell or possess a rifle.  Kyle should fight the unconstitutional law all the way.  I understand if he pleads to the misdemeanor, time served, 1 year probation and  the record put through the shredder when he turns 21.  Lin Wood will make sure he will be able to buy a small island after the slander settlement.

Marxist/leftist/democraps have been slowly reversing the purpose, intent and meaning of our Constitution for too long.  1st and 2nd A's have been watered down to almost nothing.  Gun laws are unconstitutional just by there existence.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 27, 2020, 07:14:15 AM
It's state and federal law about straw purchases that have been determined to be constitutional. Why do you keep avoiding the question sky screamer? Is a straw purchase a felony or not? Is there any age limit to buying a firearm? If it's a 2nd Amendment issue what does anyones record have to do with anything? ANSWER THE QUESTIONS SKY SCREAMER! You accuse me of being a tool just proves even more what a lying hypocrite you are. You will follow the law or end up in jail. Your screaming at the sky is a joke. You're being emotional like the libs you say you despise but can't and won't back up your argument with facts. Hell you won't even answer a couple simple questions?  You're an idiot and not even useful.
So tell me sky screamer since you were supposedly a LEO is a straw purchase a felony? Also tell me how in anyway did Rittenhouse legally possess the firearm he used? This should be good if you answer the question.

Hey Dumb Ass. I answered your moronic inquiry, you just didn't like the answer.
So I'll repeat:


Well that says it all, you're willing to give up your Liberties and Freedoms even when Marxists pass illegal laws.
You are the epitome of useful idiot! "Oh well, they passed a law telling me I mustn't speak ill of Marxists, I will obey!"

As to your BS about illegally obtaining a weapon, it matters not, he has a clean record, so there is no reason to stop any citizen from obtaining any weapon, regardless of state law!

There is but one law and that is laid out clearly in the 2nd, all those following are unconstitutional. The States singed onto and agreed to the bill of Rights/Constitution standing, then went about the process of claiming they really didn't mean it when they agreed to the Compact.
So, SCOTUS intervenes ILLEGALLY and tells the States the Bill Of Rights doesn't apply to the States.

Seeing a problem yet lib? In other words, if States aren't held accountable to our Founding Documents they originally agreed to, there is nothing stopping them from ending your Right to Free Speech.

But you've proven to be a useful Idiot, TOOL, to the Marxist cause! Thanks for an in depth view of just how stupid libs are, always emotion, never critical thought!

Quote from: Solar on November 27, 2020, 09:09:24 AM
Hey Dumb Ass. I answered your moronic inquiry, you just didn't like the answer.
So I'll repeat:


Well that says it all, you're willing to give up your Liberties and Freedoms even when Marxists pass illegal laws.
You are the epitome of useful idiot! "Oh well, they passed a law telling me I mustn't speak ill of Marxists, I will obey!"

As to your BS about illegally obtaining a weapon, it matters not, he has a clean record, so there is no reason to stop any citizen from obtaining any weapon, regardless of state law!

There is but one law and that is laid out clearly in the 2nd, all those following are unconstitutional. The States singed onto and agreed to the bill of Rights/Constitution standing, then went about the process of claiming they really didn't mean it when they agreed to the Compact.
So, SCOTUS intervenes ILLEGALLY and tells the States the Bill Of Rights doesn't apply to the States.

Seeing a problem yet lib? In other words, if States aren't held accountable to our Founding Documents they originally agreed to, there is nothing stopping them from ending your Right to Free Speech.

But you've proven to be a useful Idiot, TOOL, to the Marxist cause! Thanks for an in depth view of just how stupid libs are, always emotion, never critical thought!

For someone that claims to be a former LEO that is the stupidest thing ever said. You're a lying hypocrite and a sky screamer. Those cases have been before the Supreme Court many times and have never been over turned. The laws stand and saying Rittenhouse is a hero is akin to saying George Floyd and Michael Brown are heroes. Rittenhouse and Black committed multiple felonies. You know and you are screaming at the sky because you've been called out and shown to be the lying hypocrite you are. My position has not changed since my very first post. The law is the law and you follow the law like everyone else. In other words you're full of crap. You're every bit as bad if not worse than the sky screaming liberals that you say you despise. You're worse than a crying little bitch. Why don't you answer the questions that were posed instead skipping around it.
Is a straw purchase a felony?
How did Rittenhouse have legal possession of the firearm he used?
It's very obvious sky screamer that you have never legally purchased a firearm. If you javelin purchased a firearm did you not do a background check? Did you say I have a Constitutional right to purchase it. Do you carry any firearm without a permit? Did you ever say it was you Constitutional right to do so? Have you purchased any ammo lately? Did you say it was your Constitutional right to do so without a background check? Are you ok with felons and wife beaters and illegal aliens having and carrying firearms?
And 1 more piece of info. Straw purchases are state and FEDERAL laws.
Age laws are state and FEDERAL laws.
Your 2nd amendment argument is BS and has been per the Supreme Court for atleast 80 years or more.

I find it funny that KC is calling Solar "sky screamer", yet he is taking the side of people who literally screamed at the sky when Trump was elected in 2016.

:confused:

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 27, 2020, 09:59:20 AM
For someone that claims to be a former LEO that is the stupidest thing ever said. You're a lying hypocrite and a sky screamer. Those cases have been before the Supreme Court many times and have never been over turned. The laws stand and saying Rittenhouse is a hero is akin to saying George Floyd and Michael Brown are heroes. Rittenhouse and Black committed multiple felonies. You know and you are screaming at the sky because you've been called out and shown to be the lying hypocrite you are. My position has not changed since my very first post. The law is the law and you follow the law like everyone else. In other words you're full of crap. You're every bit as bad if not worse than the sky screaming liberals that you say you despise. You're worse than a crying little bitch. Why don't you answer the questions that were posed instead skipping around it.
Is a straw purchase a felony?
How did Rittenhouse have legal possession of the firearm he used?
It's very obvious sky screamer that you have never legally purchased a firearm. If you javelin purchased a firearm did you not do a background check? Did you say I have a Constitutional right to purchase it. Do you carry any firearm without a permit? Did you ever say it was you Constitutional right to do so? Have you purchased any ammo lately? Did you say it was your Constitutional right to do so without a background check? Are you ok with felons and wife beaters and illegal aliens having and carrying firearms?
And 1 more piece of info. Straw purchases are state and FEDERAL laws.
Age laws are state and FEDERAL laws.
Your 2nd amendment argument is BS and has been per the Supreme Court for atleast 80 years or more.

Go ahead lib, just keep avoiding the reality that Our Rights are being trashed, and you are one of the libs responsible because you enable these fucks to keep right on killing off our Rights.
I gave you actual facts, but now that you're totally butt hurt emotionally, you dig in and claim we're the hypocrites.

Everyone here sees who and what you are, a closeted lib dictator!

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on November 27, 2020, 11:29:15 AM
I find it funny that KC is calling Solar "sky screamer", yet he is taking the side of people who literally screamed at the sky when Trump was elected in 2016.

:confused:

:biggrin:
He tried to hide it all along, called me delusional when I said the DNC committed suicide and is dead.
Only a lib would refuse reality.

Quote from: Solar on November 27, 2020, 12:05:00 PM
:biggrin:
He tried to hide it all along, called me delusional when I said the DNC committed suicide and is dead.
Only a lib would refuse reality.

That is delusional.

If you disagree, when do you expect the DNC to stop being a viable party? What's your definition of them being "dead"?

That shit makes no sense, they're clearly doing just fine.

Quote from: ModelCitizen on November 27, 2020, 12:10:02 PM
That is delusional.

If you disagree, when do you expect the DNC to stop being a viable party? What's your definition of them being "dead"?

That shit makes no sense, they're clearly doing just fine.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

So you actually think the country liked the riots the DNC was backing, not wanting to curb illegal immigration, locking down Blue states in hopes of killing the economy? That's just for starters.
Are you so blind that you can't see what the entire country is sick of, Dim oppressive rules?

Quote from: Solar on November 27, 2020, 12:14:11 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

So you actually think the country liked the riots the DNC was backing, not wanting to curb illegal immigration, locking down Blue states in hopes of killing the economy? That's just for starters.
Are you so blind that you can't see what the entire country is sick of, Dim oppressive rules?

Clearly you don't even believe it because you couldn't answer simple questions about your opinion that the DNC is "dead".

Quote from: Solar on November 27, 2020, 12:14:11 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

So you actually think the country liked the riots the DNC was backing, not wanting to curb illegal immigration, locking down Blue states in hopes of killing the economy? That's just for starters.
Are you so blind that you can't see what the entire country is sick of, Dim oppressive rules?

Are you so delusional that you can't see that Trump is fighting to keep his presidency and has been for 4 years. You've been screaming at the sky that the DNC is dead yet we have a brain dead demonrat poised to take the white house. You call me a lib because I post facts and abide by the law yet your self righteous sky screaming THE 2ND AMENDMENT  doesn't mean shit and you know it. You refuse to answer my questions because you know if you did honestly it would show what a lying hypocrite you are.
I have never been a demonrat or a republicant. I have never agreed with any laws that trample on our rights. I don't have any desire to see the inside of a prison cell so I follow the law just like every other law abiding citizen. Unlike you claiming to be law enforcement and trampling peoples rights I have never been in a position to do so by choice. You better look in the mirror and call that guy a sky screaming lib.

The fact is Rittenhouse and Black broke the law and committed multiple felonys. Your screaming 2ND AMENDMENT is BS. The felonies they committed have been challenged multiple times all the way up to the Supreme Court and have been deemed Constitutional. I have answered your questions many times with proof  and all you do is dodge the questions asked of you and call me a lib. You're the one that is showing  liberal behaviors and whining like a little girl.  You're nothing more than than a proven sky screaming lying hypocrite.

Oh my Word.  Y'all are still debating this detritus?  Holy Mackerel.
Killer Clouds is clearly full of Shit.  Hate to put it that way, but it is what it is.
Yes, he'd do what they told him to do, that is what lemmings do.
Yes, he's the one Screaming at the Sky.  Bold and Capitals in his post.  Looks like a stroke, coming.
Now, Straw Purchases.  I write loans.  Have for 20 years.  From time to time, people come in and try to finance the car in one name, and have someone else driving the car.  And Yes, Cloudy is correct it is against the law.  That said, where is the documents, and video, audio or witnesses that that is what happened?  You see, a car is registered ownership, that cannot be transferred without Notary approval of the documents signed.  The gun, was purchased and if in fact, it was transferred to Rittenhouse, it will be so hard to prove the Straw.  Mostly what would happen is they would charge lack with not adhering to legal gun transfer statutes, which are generally misdemeanors.
The problem here seems to be along the line of the Cloudmeister's inability to see that his assumptions are not general statutes, and that people are innocent until PROVEN guilty.  What he thinks he saw if not germane to the true facts.  Now, the state in question passed their own gun laws.  The ability to charge Rittenhouse also resonates from that State.  If they haven't charged him yet, they may charge him in the future.  Once again, this airhead seems to think HE dictated the state's position on this.  IOW, he's put the proverbial cart before the horse.
As an aside, kind of funny "Killer CLOUDS" is calling everyone else a sky screamer.  Ironic? 
Gosh, must be a slow news week.

Quote from: Solar on November 27, 2020, 12:14:11 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

So you actually think the country liked the riots the DNC was backing, not wanting to curb illegal immigration, locking down Blue states in hopes of killing the economy? That's just for starters.
Are you so blind that you can't see what the entire country is sick of, Dim oppressive rules?

To the lefties on this forum (including KC); will you condemn the rioting?

Quote from: tiny1 on November 27, 2020, 12:39:43 PM
Oh my Word.  Y'all are still debating this detritus?  Holy Mackerel.
Killer Clouds is clearly full of Shit.  Hate to put it that way, but it is what it is.
Yes, he'd do what they told him to do, that is what lemmings do.
Yes, he's the one Screaming at the Sky.  Bold and Capitals in his post.  Looks like a stroke, coming.
Now, Straw Purchases.  I write loans.  Have for 20 years.  From time to time, people come in and try to finance the car in one name, and have someone else driving the car.  And Yes, Cloudy is correct it is against the law.  That said, where is the documents, and video, audio or witnesses that that is what happened?  You see, a car is registered ownership, that cannot be transferred without Notary approval of the documents signed.  The gun, was purchased and if in fact, it was transferred to Rittenhouse, it will be so hard to prove the Straw.  Mostly what would happen is they would charge lack with not adhering to legal gun transfer statutes, which are generally misdemeanors.
The problem here seems to be along the line of the Cloudmeister's inability to see that his assumptions are not general statutes, and that people are innocent until PROVEN guilty.  What he thinks he saw if not germane to the true facts.  Now, the state in question passed their own gun laws.  The ability to charge Rittenhouse also resonates from that State.  If they haven't charged him yet, they may charge him in the future.  Once again, this airhead seems to think HE dictated the state's position on this.  IOW, he's put the proverbial cart before the horse.
As an aside, kind of funny "Killer CLOUDS" is calling everyone else a sky screamer.  Ironic? 
Gosh, must be a slow news week.

Black admitted that Rittenhouse gave him the money to buy the rifle for him. That is a straw purchase and is a felony by state and federal laws. Rittenhouse is a resident of Illinois and had no possible legal way to own a firearm and had no legal way to be in possession of the firearm he used. He had Black buy the firearm for him which again by state and federal laws is a felony. Black was storing the firearm and gave possession of the firearm to Rittenhouse which by state and federal laws is another felony. These are undisputed facts and are felony violations of law.  Screaming 2nd amendment is not going to change that. Straw purchases of cars or houses fall under completely different laws of straw purchases of firearms. And yes I'm calling out Solar for being the sky screaming lying hypocrite he is. Facts are facts.

Quote from: ModelCitizen on November 27, 2020, 12:22:00 PM
Clearly you don't even believe it because you couldn't answer simple questions about your opinion that the DNC is "dead".

I just gave you an answer dimwit! Do you back the DNC Riots?

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 27, 2020, 12:34:01 PM
Are you so delusional that you can't see that Trump is fighting to keep his presidency and has been for 4 years. You've been screaming at the sky that the DNC is dead yet we have a brain dead demonrat poised to take the white house. You call me a lib because I post facts and abide by the law yet your self righteous sky screaming THE 2ND AMENDMENT  doesn't mean shit and you know it. You refuse to answer my questions because you know if you did honestly it would show what a lying hypocrite you are.
I have never been a demonrat or a republicant. I have never agreed with any laws that trample on our rights. I don't have any desire to see the inside of a prison cell so I follow the law just like every other law abiding citizen. Unlike you claiming to be law enforcement and trampling peoples rights I have never been in a position to do so by choice. You better look in the mirror and call that guy a sky screaming lib.

The fact is Rittenhouse and Black broke the law and committed multiple felonys. Your screaming 2ND AMENDMENT is BS. The felonies they committed have been challenged multiple times all the way up to the Supreme Court and have been deemed Constitutional. I have answered your questions many times with proof  and all you do is dodge the questions asked of you and call me a lib. You're the one that is showing  liberal behaviors and whining like a little girl.  You're nothing more than than a proven sky screaming lying hypocrite.

OK, I'm done reading your screaming at the sky rants, you are nothing but a pissed off lib that refuses to see what's really taking place here.

The left is attempting to sacrifice a Patriot in hopes of deterring other Patriots who want to end DNC backed Riots and looting.

So go ahead, keep on making a fool of yourself over getting your ass handed to you, if anything, it's entertaining. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Quote from: tiny1 on November 27, 2020, 12:39:43 PM
Oh my Word.  Y'all are still debating this detritus?  Holy Mackerel.
Killer Clouds is clearly full of Shit.  Hate to put it that way, but it is what it is.
Yes, he'd do what they told him to do, that is what lemmings do.
Yes, he's the one Screaming at the Sky.  Bold and Capitals in his post.  Looks like a stroke, coming.
Now, Straw Purchases.  I write loans.  Have for 20 years.  From time to time, people come in and try to finance the car in one name, and have someone else driving the car.  And Yes, Cloudy is correct it is against the law.  That said, where is the documents, and video, audio or witnesses that that is what happened?  You see, a car is registered ownership, that cannot be transferred without Notary approval of the documents signed.  The gun, was purchased and if in fact, it was transferred to Rittenhouse, it will be so hard to prove the Straw.  Mostly what would happen is they would charge lack with not adhering to legal gun transfer statutes, which are generally misdemeanors.
The problem here seems to be along the line of the Cloudmeister's inability to see that his assumptions are not general statutes, and that people are innocent until PROVEN guilty.  What he thinks he saw if not germane to the true facts.  Now, the state in question passed their own gun laws.  The ability to charge Rittenhouse also resonates from that State.  If they haven't charged him yet, they may charge him in the future.  Once again, this airhead seems to think HE dictated the state's position on this.  IOW, he's put the proverbial cart before the horse.
As an aside, kind of funny "Killer CLOUDS" is calling everyone else a sky screamer.  Ironic? 
Gosh, must be a slow news week.

Ever notice how reason and critical thought disappear when these libs get emotional? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on November 27, 2020, 12:51:34 PM
To the lefties on this forum (including KC); will you condemn the rioting?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :thumbsup:

Quote from: Solar on November 27, 2020, 01:03:02 PM
OK, I'm done reading your screaming at the sky rants, you are nothing but a pissed off lib that refuses to see what's really taking place here.

The left is attempting to sacrifice a Patriot in hopes of deterring other Patriots who want to end DNC backed Riots and looting.

So go ahead, keep on making a fool of yourself over getting your ass handed to you, if anything, it's entertaining. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Says the sky screaming lying hypocrite. Your delusions are pathetic.

Quote from: Solar on November 27, 2020, 12:58:58 PM
I just gave you an answer dimwit! Do you back the DNC Riots?

No I don't back the riots and you never answered the questions.
Are you ok with children, felons, wife beaters and illegal aliens buying and owning firearms?
Are straw purchases of firearms a felony?
How did Rittenhouse have legal possession of the firearm he used?

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 27, 2020, 12:53:04 PM
Black admitted that Rittenhouse gave him the money to buy the rifle for him. That is a straw purchase and is a felony by state and federal laws. Rittenhouse is a resident of Illinois and had no possible legal way to own a firearm and had no legal way to be in possession of the firearm he used. He had Black buy the firearm for him which again by state and federal laws is a felony. Black was storing the firearm and gave possession of the firearm to Rittenhouse which by state and federal laws is another felony. These are undisputed facts and are felony violations of law.  Screaming 2nd amendment is not going to change that. Straw purchases of cars or houses fall under completely different laws of straw purchases of firearms. And yes I'm calling out Solar for being the sky screaming lying hypocrite he is. Facts are facts.

He said...She said.  If Black DID admit wrongdoing, first of all, he has a shitty lawyer.  But, if he did, they will charge him.  THEN on only then, can we discuss the transfer of the gun.  But, take note, Straw Purchase allegations seldom produce charges, and when they do, few are convicted, and those that are, usually plea it down to a lesser charge. 
Yet, you seem to think you are judge, jury and executioner.
Now, Solar is not a Sky Screamer, or you'd be on another site, somewhere.  YOU are the one using Caps and Bold.  Your indisputable facts are only indisputable AFTER the conviction.  This is what you are being deemed liberal by.  And I won't even get into the Second Amendment.  Let the others try to explain that, as you don't seem to understand the Constitution.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on November 27, 2020, 12:51:34 PM
To the lefties on this forum (including KC); will you condemn the rioting?

I'm not now or ever have been a liberal and yes I do now and always have condemned the riots.

Quote from: tiny1 on November 27, 2020, 01:23:31 PM
He said...She said.  If Black DID admit wrongdoing, first of all, he has a shitty lawyer.  But, if he did, they will charge him.  THEN on only then, can we discuss the transfer of the gun.  But, take note, Straw Purchase allegations seldom produce charges, and when they do, few are convicted, and those that are, usually plea it down to a lesser charge. 
Yet, you seem to think you are judge, jury and executioner.
Now, Solar is not a Sky Screamer, or you'd be on another site, somewhere.  YOU are the one using Caps and Bold.  Your indisputable facts are only indisputable AFTER the conviction.  This is what you are being deemed liberal by.  And I won't even get into the Second Amendment.  Let the others try to explain that, as you don't seem to understand the Constitution.

I do understand the Constitution very well. It doesn't change the fact that there are laws on the books that have been challenged and deemed Constitutional.  The Rittenhouse case is far from over and won't be over for a long time. Thee undisputed facts are Rittenhouse is 17yo and a resident of Illinois. He was armed with an AR15. He shot and killed 2 people and injured 1. What is disputed is whether it was murder and assault or was it self defense.  My opinion has always been it was self defense. It is also a fact that Rittenhouse had no legal way to be in possession of the firearm he was carrying. It has recently came out that Black used money he go from Rittenhouse to buy him the rifle he had. Crimes were committed long before the riots started. Rittenhouse and Black are criminals.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 27, 2020, 01:39:47 PM
I do understand the Constitution very well. It doesn't change the fact that there are laws on the books that have been challenged and deemed Constitutional.  The Rittenhouse case is far from over and won't be over for a long time. Thee undisputed facts are Rittenhouse is 17yo and a resident of Illinois. He was armed with an AR15. He shot and killed 2 people and injured 1. What is disputed is whether it was murder and assault or was it self defense.  My opinion has always been it was self defense. It is also a fact that Rittenhouse had no legal way to be in possession of the firearm he was carrying. It has recently came out that Black used money he go from Rittenhouse to buy him the rifle he had. Crimes were committed long before the riots started. Rittenhouse and Black are criminals.

No presumption of innocence?  Are there any more crimes where you are guilty and now a criminal without ever being charged with the crime? Can you prove Rittenhouse acquired the gun for the sole purpose of killing the two rioters? Before you scream it does not matter, consider this, of all the thousands of laws on the books, the only ones Rittenhouse has to concern himself with are the ones he is charged with. All the ones you are screaming at the sky about do not matter.

Quote from: Solar on November 27, 2020, 01:07:11 PM
Ever notice how reason and critical thought disappear when these libs get emotional? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Works in our favor.   We can always count on them to focus on the superfluous and miss the obvious.

Quote from: tiny1 on November 27, 2020, 02:01:40 PM
Works in our favor.   We can always count on them to focus on the superfluous and miss the obvious.

Yep, he got stuck on stupid and refuses to accept he is wrong. It's not often you get to see some idiot dig until they hit rock bottom, only to come up, move the goal posts, and look for a sledge hammer to keep pounding away..

I don't think he's done digging. Enjoy the show. :biggrin: