I wasn't sure if this should go in the religion forum or here.

On Tuesday, federal judge Patrick J. Duggan dismissed a civil rights lawsuit brought by Christian evangelists who were violently assaulted by a hostile Muslim mob while preaching at an Arab festival last year in Dearborn, Mich., the American Freedom Law Center said.

The AFLC filed the lawsuit against Wayne County, the Wayne County Sheriff, and two Wayne County Deputy Chiefs alleging authorities refused to protect the Christians while threatening to arrest them.

Judge Duggan, sitting in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan, granted Wayne County's motion for summary judgment, dismissing the lawsuit, AFLC said.

"The court finds that the actual demonstration of violence here provided the requisite justification for [the Wayne County sheriffs'] intervention, even if the officials acted as they did because of the effect the speech had on the crowd," the judge said in his ruling.

"The First Amendment was dealt a severe blow today as a result of this ruling. Indeed, this ruling effectively empowers Muslims to silence Christian speech that they deem offensive by engaging in violence. And pursuant to this ruling, the Christian speakers are now subject to arrest for engaging in disorderly conduct on account of the Muslim hecklers' violent response to their speech," said Robert Muise, AFLC co-founder and senior counsel.

"In short," he added, "this ruling turns the First Amendment on its head."

http://www.examiner.com/article/attorney-ruling-by-michigan-judge-lets-muslims-silence-christians-with-violence


yet the left continues to claim that Sharia and/or Muslim leaning law is not happening.

Huh?  Are we talikg about the same thing? Here's what the Detroit Free Press Said recently:

QuoteThe City of Dearborn will publicly apologize and pay an undisclosed amount of money to a group of Christian missionaries arrested three years ago while proselytizing at the annual Arab International Festival, according to a settlement reached in a lawsuit against the city.

The American Freedom Law Center, a conservative legal group cofounded by an Ann Arbor attorney, had filed the lawsuit on behalf of a group of Christian missionaries called Acts 17 Apologetics who said their rights were violated when they were arrested by police in June 2010 at the festival on charges of disturbing the peace. The missionaries were there to try to convert Muslims to Christianity. A jury acquitted the missionaries of most of the charges against them.   http://www.freep.com/article/20130506/NEWS05/305060101/Dearborn-to-pay-christian-evangelists-to-settle-lawsuit   

Quote from: Yawn on May 24, 2013, 04:27:29 PM
Huh?  Are we talikg about the same thing? Here's what the Detroit Free Press Said recently:

Can we be reasonable here?

These morons from Acts 17 Apologetics had no damned business invading that Arab Festival! They were looking for a confrontation and they got one!

How would they like it if a bunch of Muslims invaded a Christian Church picnic and started preaching the Koran and trying to convert Christians to Islam?

In my opinion, if the article Yawn quoted is correct, the Acts 17 group got much better than they deserved!

-Darth

Sometimes I think you're a carefully crafted troll, buddy.

You're really announcing that beating somebody's ass for talking is A-OK  ?  Charges should be dismissed ?

We know that liberals do think this, about conservative speech.

I also don't know any conservatives who think anybody should be able to attack liberals for being a-holes.

Only liberals can't figure out that freedom of ALL speech is guaranteed ALL people, other than proven damages from speech.  And even then.....you sue or call police.

No, it was on the PUBLIC streets. It was a PUBLIC event. We don't hold church picnics in the STREETS of Dearborn. We also don't make special allowances for every religion other than Christianity.  This was NOT a PRIVATE event. They may "own" Dearbornistan, but they don't OWN it.  Our AMERICAN Constitution still applies--even in Dearbornistan.

If you read the Freep article, you'd see that they found a solution:

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Because of the tensions, the City of Dearborn has decided to move this year's festival away from its traditional location on Warren Avenue to a park, where admission will be more controlled.

Freedom of speech is mostly for that which makes people mad.  Specifically what makes the govt mad.

Speaking only what makes everybody happy doesn't require freedom of speech.  Or hiding in silence if others are beating people for speech.

Only liberals can't figure this out.....about conservative speech.

And only muslims are killing for speech these days.  Libs can't even grasp that.

Quote from: AndyJackson on May 24, 2013, 05:08:34 PM
Sometimes I think you're a carefully crafted troll, buddy.

You're really announcing that beating somebody's ass for talking is A-OK  ?  Charges should be dismissed ?

We know that liberals do think this, about conservative speech.

I also don't know any conservatives who think anybody should be able to attack liberals for being a-holes.

Only liberals can't figure out that freedom of ALL speech is guaranteed ALL people, other than proven damages from speech.  And even then.....you sue or call police.

Actually, if you read the article (doubtful) it was Act 17 Apolotetics who were "suing the police". That, is what the suit was all about.

What I'm talking about (and which you apparently are lacking) is simple mutual respect and common sense.

If it were a group of Neo-NAZI marching into a predominately Jewish neighborhood (as happened in Skokie IL) that got their asses kicked, you'd be on the side of the Jews (as would I).

But since this has to do with those "evil" Muslims, you automatically take the side of the "Christian", who were, in fact, the agitators!

It doesn't take a whole lot of brains to realize that you don't go preaching the Gospel of Christ at a festival for Muslims.

The Acts 17 group is just a bunch of trouble makers looking to make headlines for themselves.

-Darth

Quote from: Darth Fife on May 24, 2013, 05:18:22 PM

What I'm talking about (and which you apparently are lacking) is simple mutual respect and common sense.

If it were a group of Neo-NAZI marching into a predominately Jewish neighborhood (as happened in Skokie IL) that got their asses kicked, you'd be on the side of the Jews (as would I).

You do know that it was the MUSLIMS that did the physical ASSAULTS don't you?  On the one hand you talk ab out the Nazis invading Jewish areas and attacking Jews. For youre silly argument to hold up, the Christians PREACHING is equal to an ASSAULT on Muslims? But the actual ASSAULT on Christians isn't really assault?

Or, the KKK showing up to burn a cross at a Harlem block party? 

Quote from: Darth Fife on May 24, 2013, 05:18:22 PM
Actually, if you read the article (doubtful) it was Act 17 Apolotetics who were "suing the police". That, is what the suit was all about.

What I'm talking about (and which you apparently are lacking) is simple mutual respect and common sense.

If it were a group of Neo-NAZI marching into a predominately Jewish neighborhood (as happened in Skokie IL) that got their asses kicked, you'd be on the side of the Jews (as would I).

But since this has to do with those "evil" Muslims, you automatically take the side of the "Christian", who were, in fact, the agitators!

It doesn't take a whole lot of brains to realize that you don't go preaching the Gospel of Christ at a festival for Muslims.

The Acts 17 group is just a bunch of trouble makers looking to make headlines for themselves.

-Darth

You're digging that liberal hole deeper and deeper.

First the juvenile fake comparison....Nazis invading Jews, yeah, that's a perfect comparison.

Then the whiny victimhood......"evil muslims" which nobody said.

Did you miss the part about calling the cops and having them arrested for disturbing the peace  ?

I'm sure you'd take the exact same position for Christians pounding on muslims....yeah, uh-huh, sure.

lol, I guess you also missed that Theo Van Gogh thing, and the mayhem for cartoons or videos.......and the fact that nobody gets hurt for putting a crucifix in piss, or dung on Mary.  Yup, we're all picking on the muslims for no reason.

I smell a stealth muslim, or at least a stealth surrenderer.

Quote from: PeterR on May 24, 2013, 05:28:02 PM
Or, the KKK showing up to burn a cross at a Harlem block party?

Same principle applies.  You attack or kill them you go to jail.  The law doesn't get suspended because a special victim group gets offended.

Laughable that you can't grasp this.

Quote from: Darth Fife on May 24, 2013, 05:18:22 PM

The Acts 17 group is just a bunch of trouble makers looking to make headlines for themselves.

-Darth

The Acts 17 group was entirely PEACEFUL. The Muslims didn't like their WORDS. You may be thinking of the other group that brought a pigs head. I disagree with that, and I also ONCE thought, "why not just let them have their day."  But after watching the attack (by the Muslims), I realized that THIS is how it begins. THIS is how you get "No-Go zones" in our own country. THIS is how local government begin to let Muslim groups "self-regulate", that is, begin to apply de facto Sharia Law within areas of the United States. THIS is how WE begin to become afraid to speak out in our own land.  If you haven't heard Glenn Beck's monolog today about the Mad London Muslim, and the sheep-men of England who did NOTHING, it would be well worth hearing.

This just in....muslims approved for no-fault assault......still illegal for everyone else.

I've had many an argument with liberals who just revel and wallow in their illogic and lack of honesty.

Not with many people portraying conservatives, though.

Quote from: PeterR on May 24, 2013, 05:28:02 PM
Or, the KKK showing up to burn a cross at a Harlem block party?

Apples and oranges, not even in the same context.