Ya gotta love it, the Establishment just can't pull it together, simply because no one wants a damned RINO.
Several key 2016 contenders — Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and Mike Huckabee — had decided against dishing out the big bucks that it can take to win the straw poll. Party officials needed at least one legitimate player to participate, but the Iowa frontrunner, Scott Walker, declined to commit or even signal any interest.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2015/06/12/iowa-straw-poll/71116276/
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Quote from: taxed on June 12, 2015, 11:30:22 AM
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Somehow they even blame Walker, and he hasn't even committed yet, has he?
Gee, after Iowa had them all set up so perfectly to spend big money to win that one, they declined. Wouldn't it be nice if the candidates would form a protective association, a little union, if I might, with the mission of designing the way to deliver the candidate whose views most reflected the members of the Party?
It is old news that FOX intends to run two debates of 10 each. One debate for the top tier candidates, another for the second string. The nerve!
This is good news as I have wondered for a long time why Iowa is so important in the GOP nominating process. I would like to know the whole story as to how this decision came about.
RINO for decades used this poll to lock their choice as the lead candidate, but not any longer.
The RINO candidates knew quite well they were going to be exposed for the posers they are once the results came in, so.... They bailed on the whole idea.
That's what really took place in Iowa, the Establishment got it's worthless ass kicked to the curb!
Quote from: red_dirt on June 12, 2015, 12:19:27 PM
Gee, after Iowa had them all set up so perfectly to spend big money to win that one, they declined. Wouldn't it be nice if the candidates would form a protective association, a little union, if I might, with the mission of designing the way to deliver the candidate whose views most reflected the members of the Party?
It is old news that FOX intends to run two debates of 10 each. One debate for the top tier candidates, another for the second string. The nerve!
May I offer my professional experience here and say that if anyone tries to inflict 20 speakers on an audience in a single day-gone-evening, that (1) no TV except C-SPAN and only MAYBE the clowns at NPR would cover it, whereupon (2) that same coverage would be severely edited and doctored to the whims of the final broadcasters.
Moral? Catch it on the news, if you absolutely must endure the posturing and platitudes and media poltroons stirring us up in our politicized frenzy.
They never show how stiff people are after enduring that sort of tent-revival. The nerve, indeed! Cutting it both makes sense and infuriates reason. I side with the folks having to sit through it. I've done it for money, but I'll never do it again. I can stand only so much of any topic before I go berserk. Even in Iowa, there's just plain got to be a limit.
Quote from: red_dirt on June 12, 2015, 12:19:27 PM
Gee, after Iowa had them all set up so perfectly to spend big money to win that one, they declined. Wouldn't it be nice if the candidates would form a protective association, a little union, if I might, with the mission of designing the way to deliver the candidate whose views most reflected the members of the Party?
It is old news that FOX intends to run two debates of 10 each. One debate for the top tier candidates, another for the second string. The nerve!
Soooo, who will be in charge of the poll, AP/GFK? :lol:
Problem is, polls lie, and as far as the nation is concerned, Cruz and Walker are the front runners, while all the RINO are literally third tier.
Quote from: Solar on June 12, 2015, 01:29:42 PM
Problem is, polls lie, and as far as the nation is concerned, Cruz and Walker are the front runners, while all the RINO are literally third tier.
Yeah, and I think an internal pre-poll
poll was going to show that Carson and Fiorina were going to mop-up the rest of the field as the only ones with a chance of joining Cruz and Walker in double-digits...
IOWA
Cruz... 16%
Walker 15% if running
Carson 12%
Fiorina 10%
next closest... 6%
Quote from: kit saginaw on June 12, 2015, 02:55:01 PM
Yeah, and I think an internal pre-poll poll was going to show that Carson and Fiorina were going to mop-up the rest of the field as the only ones with a chance of joining Cruz and Walker in double-digits...
IOWA
Cruz... 16%
Walker 15% if running
Carson 12%
Fiorina 10%
next closest... 6%
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Bingo! That's exactly what I thought the truth looked like, and the RINO can't stand the light, like the vampire bastards they are.
Do you have a link to that poll?
Quote from: Solar on June 12, 2015, 03:05:39 PM
Do you have a link to that poll?
I made-it-up, based on my guesswork from following a plethora of polls all Spring.
Quote from: kit saginaw on June 12, 2015, 03:22:53 PM
I made-it-up, based on my guesswork from following a plethora of polls all Spring.
LOL, link to the brain. :biggrin:
But aside from Carson, I'd say you're pretty damn close.
Quote from: Solar on June 12, 2015, 03:27:32 PM
LOL, link to the brain. :biggrin:
But aside from Carson, I'd say you're pretty damn close.
I bumped Carson up because of the closeness of the Supreme Court's decision on commiecare. It may be temporary, but he's quotable again... and his 'greatest hits' vid-clips are back.
Quote from: Solar on June 12, 2015, 01:23:58 PM
That's what really took place in Iowa, the Establishment got it's worthless ass kicked to the curb!
That's what I'm hopin' for.
Interesting, Bush was the one who first closed the check book. He's the number one suspect when it comes to possibly buying the primary. Front runner.
Quote from: kit saginaw on June 12, 2015, 08:39:33 PM
I bumped Carson up because of the closeness of the Supreme Court's decision on commiecare. It may be temporary, but he's quotable again... and his 'greatest hits' vid-clips are back.
I still think he's a shill RINO plant, designed to draw votes away from Conservatives.
Though I don't think it's going to work, he has absolutely no experience outside of a hospital.
Carson has no shot but he isn't afraid to speak his mind and doesn't avoid tough issues. That will force the rest of the candidates to address tough issues.
Quote from: Solar on June 12, 2015, 08:49:18 PM
I still think he's a shill RINO plant, designed to draw votes away from Conservatives.
Though I don't think it's going to work, he has absolutely no experience outside of a hospital.
Yeah, I know. My hopes that he'd assemble a strong governing team and Cabinet are dampened by the feeling that he'll fawn to Dick Morris & Karl Rove types. And before ya know it, we'll be looking at the Bush Administration again.
In recent days Carly has certainly improved her brand. She is quite impressive in interviews and is very articulate on the issues. She is likely carving a spot for herself somewhere in the next Administration.
Having seen her in person on a couple of occasions I can tell you that she has really been preparing herself for this. She is far more attractive as a candidate than she was last summer!
Quote from: The Boo Man... on June 12, 2015, 09:55:17 PM
Carson has no shot but he isn't afraid to speak his mind and doesn't avoid tough issues. That will force the rest of the candidates to address tough issues.
Which has also been his bane like an anchor. Sometimes it can boost his likability over night, and other times expose his ineptitude like that of a John Cleese character in a retard race.
Quote from: kit saginaw on June 13, 2015, 04:34:42 AM
Yeah, I know. My hopes that he'd assemble a strong governing team and Cabinet are dampened by the feeling that he'll fawn to Dick Morris & Karl Rove types. And before ya know it, we'll be looking at the Bush Administration again.
I, just like everyone else, knew of him as someone that traditionally spoke at prayer breakfasts by request of the
GOPe.Suddenly out of nowhere he disses the POTUS, something that always seemed to be forboten, insulting the great Oz, from either side of the isle. Yet no repercussion from the ever defending media, no backlash from the Dim Marxists, no word from the GOPe, either?
This is what constitutes being qualified to run for the highest office in the land?
No, it's what king makers do when they need to divide the opposition that threatens their very way of life, they work with the other party to keep TEA at bay.
To this day he's been hands off by the LSM and the Dim party as a whole, they have yet to take him to task on anything he says.
Yeah, beyond suspicious, it's downright conspiratorial, and sure, I could be wrong, but when you look at the way both party's collude in a shared agenda, it no longer appears conspiratorial.
Quote from: Solar on June 13, 2015, 06:03:42 AM
I, just like everyone else, knew of him as someone that traditionally spoke at prayer breakfasts by request of the GOPe.
Suddenly out of nowhere he disses the POTUS, something that always seemed to be forboten, insulting the great Oz, from either side of the isle. Yet no repercussion from the ever defending media, no backlash from the Dim Marxists, no word from the GOPe, either?
This is what constitutes being qualified to run for the highest office in the land?
No, it's what king makers do when they need to divide the opposition that threatens their very way of life, they work with the other party to keep TEA at bay.
To this day he's been hands off by the LSM and the Dim party as a whole, they have yet to take him to task on anything he says.
Yeah, beyond suspicious, it's downright conspiratorial, and sure, I could be wrong, but when you look at the way both party's collude in a shared agenda, it no longer appears conspiratorial.
The MSM and democrats have laid off because they don't see him as a threat. The longer he stays in the better for them. Then, when he is eliminated they will play the race card in hopes of stopping the declining support of the Black community.
Quote from: supsalemgr on June 13, 2015, 09:03:02 AM
The MSM and democrats have laid off because they don't see him as a threat. The longer he stays in the better for them. Then, when he is eliminated they will play the race card in hopes of stopping the declining support of the Black community.
Or because they KNOW he's NOT a threat to Establishment party politics on both sides, because he is a tool for both to keep the statusquo.
TEA is the real threat, and the more they can split the TEA vote, the weaker we are.
I oppose Carson on every level, because he's a phony, a guy created out of thin air, a man with no grasp of our Constitution, a man with conflicted values where our nation is concerned, as evidenced in his selective support in the banning of weapons in intercities.
A true Conservative understands the Bill of Rights, an emotional man does not, ie. liberal at heart.
His entire claim to fame was from making speeches at DC prayer breakfasts and the behest of the Establishment RINO.
This is reason enough to disdain this man, regardless of hisclaims as a candidate.
So far ten candidates have declared. So why shouldn't there be a scheduled debate amongst these people, and forget about the rest?
If they want to be included in the debates, they need to get off their ass and declare, if not, too damn bad.
It's time to cull the herd!
Declared
Ted Cruz
Ben Carson
Carly Fiorina
Lindsey Graham
Mike Huckabee
George Pataki
Rand Paul
Rick Perry
Marco Rubio
Rick Santorum
Quote from: Solar on June 13, 2015, 10:51:05 AM
So far ten candidates have declared. So why shouldn't there be a scheduled debate amongst these people, and forget about the rest?
If they want to be included in the debates, they need to get off their ass and declare, if not, too damn bad.
It's time to cull the herd!
Declared
Ted Cruz
Ben Carson
Carly Fiorina
Lindsey Graham
Mike Huckabee
George Pataki
Rand Paul
Rick Perry
Marco Rubio
Rick Santorum
That sounds like a winner to me! Close the barn gate. If you haven't declared your candidacy by now, you are trying to manipulate and game the system. That should disqualify you as a true conservative republican.
Quote from: kroz on June 13, 2015, 11:30:23 AM
That sounds like a winner to me! Close the barn gate. If you haven't declared your candidacy by now, you are trying to manipulate and game the system. That should disqualify you as a true conservative republican.
Exactly!
Crying Victim status is a liberal trait. They're complaining they aren't allowed to debate the entire pack, but have yet to declare?
Yeah, liberal whining.
Quote from: Solar on June 13, 2015, 10:51:05 AM
So far ten candidates have declared. So why shouldn't there be a scheduled debate amongst these people, and forget about the rest?
If they want to be included in the debates, they need to get off their ass and declare, if not, too damn bad.
It's time to cull the herd!
Declared
Ted Cruz
Ben Carson
Carly Fiorina
Lindsey Graham
Mike Huckabee
George Pataki
Rand Paul
Rick Perry
Marco Rubio
Rick Santorum
The official primary season hasn't even started. If you are going to change the rules it should have been done long ago. Closing the barn door now to give your candidate an edge is a RINO tactic!
Quote from: redbeard on June 13, 2015, 11:46:58 AM
The official primary season hasn't even started. If you are going to change the rules it should have been done long ago. Closing the barn door now to give your candidate an edge is a RINO tactic!
What rules? You mean the ones the RINO keep changing to suit their agenda?
There is absolutely no reason these people can't agree on their own to have a debate, none.
Screw the GOP RINO, let them die in the dirt...