Quote from: mdgiles on July 31, 2014, 05:57:04 AM
First of all, it's questionable these days whether a penny is worth the time and energy spent picking it up.

This from The Straight Dope (www.straightdope.com):

QuoteDear Cecil:

On the way home this morning I stopped to pick up two one-dollar bills which I assume someone lost in an alley. Reflecting on the decreasing value of the dollar led me to consider this question: is it worth it to pick up a penny? That is, considering the amount of energy expended and the cost of food required to provide said energy, can the penny be considered a profit?

— Nick L., Chicago

Cecil replies:

Let's not make this any more complicated than we have to. The Scientific Research Team here at Straight Dope HQ has proven that a proficient penny-picker upper can probably pick up a particular penny in five seconds. On an hourly basis this works out to $7.20 per hour. As of 9/1/97, minimum wage will be a mere $5.15 an hour. Wherefore, if perchance a penny appears, pounce upon that puppy promptly, Poopsie. And pass that spittoon on your way out. Please.

— Cecil Adams

Of course, the minimum wage has gone up since that was written, but still.... 

What concerns me more is a factoid I recently read that claimed that a new US penny costs about 1.7 cents to make.   

Quote from: SVPete on August 01, 2014, 09:18:15 AM
And for some moderately challenging Economics, learn this truth: "Corporations never pay taxes; their customers do."

And the concept went right over his head.
I bet he thinks food comes from grocery stores.

Quote from: walkstall on July 31, 2014, 06:06:39 AM
I see your much younger then I am.   The value of copper is up.   

Sad to say, today's pennies are almost pure zinc. 

It really says something about a nation's government and its policy toward business when any given company find a more business friendly environment in a foreign nation.

-Darth

Quote from: Darth Fife on August 01, 2014, 12:28:09 PM
It really says something about a nation's government and its policy toward business when any given company find a more business friendly environment in a foreign nation.

-Darth

Well stated. People who hire people should not be the enemies of the government.

Quote from: carlb on August 01, 2014, 09:28:12 AM
She has strong appeal to the OWS types. I think that's who she's pandering to. Unfortunately there's a lot of them out there -- especially in the North East.

The good part of that is that most of those morons are going to Colorado to suck up the legalized weed, with any luck at all they'll all stay there.

Quote from: supsalemgr on August 01, 2014, 02:22:29 PM
Well stated. People who hire people should not be the enemies of the government.

Not enemies, just scape goats. Government prefer to have the businesses stay so the consumers can curse them, not their Congresscritter. As you noted, ALL taxes in the end, are individual taxes. But as our leftist "friend" has demonstrated, some people will never realize that.

When you can't answer the question, resort to name calling and derogatory insinuations.
Taxes not paid by corporations are therefore paid by individual taxpayers.
Are you all happy with that?

Quote from: gandb77 on August 02, 2014, 04:43:06 AM
When you can't answer the question, resort to name calling and derogatory insinuations.
Taxes not paid by corporations are therefore paid by individual taxpayers.
Are you all happy with that?

Or, and there is another option. Lower their taxes, encourage development of industry here in the US.
Can you imagine the benefit to having more people employed? That's right, more people paying lower taxes, will more than offset the commie idea of tax as a punishment.

Reagan proved the concept with trickle down economics. You know the idea, it's called Capitalism!
And you wonder why people call you names?

Quote from: Solar on August 02, 2014, 05:16:49 AM
Or, and there is another option. Lower their taxes, encourage development of industry here in the US.
Can you imagine the benefit to having more people employed? That's right, more people paying lower taxes, will more than offset the commie idea of tax as a punishment.

Reagan proved the concept with trickle down economics. You know the idea, it's called Capitalism!
And you wonder why people call you names?

Ah, but by actually bringing businesses back to the U.S. and employing more people, you would have less people dependent on government!   That's contrary to the liberal leftist mental midget agenda.

Quote from: suzziY on August 02, 2014, 05:32:25 AM
Ah, but by actually bringing businesses back to the U.S. and employing more people, you would have less people dependent on government!   That's contrary to the liberal leftist mental midget agenda.

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I was hoping he could see that.
You see it, I see it, to us it's commonsense, but to these kids, the whole concept is foreign, they think govt is their friend, when in fact, even our Founders knew it was an evil that needed containment.

Quote from: Solar on August 02, 2014, 05:35:25 AM
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I was hoping he could see that.
You see it, I see it, to us it's commonsense, but to these kids, the whole concept is foreign, they think govt is their friend, when in fact, even our Founders knew it was an evil that needed containment.

These kids all believe Obozo and the government are going to rescue them from the loans they took out - to study drama and modern dance. Government is going to rescue them and stick the taxpayers with the bill.

Quote from: mdgiles on August 02, 2014, 07:48:20 AM
These kids all believe Obozo and the government are going to rescue them from the loans they took out - to study drama and modern dance. Government is going to rescue them and stick the taxpayers with the bill.

You're probably correct, sadly.
I'm not even certain they make the connection between govt and the taxpayer.
They see govt as the creator of wealth, so anyone with money has govt to thank for it, and this cause is justification for redistribution of said wealth.

Quote from: mdgiles on August 02, 2014, 07:48:20 AM
These kids all believe Obozo and the government are going to rescue them from the loans they took out - to study drama and modern dance. Government is going to rescue them and stick the taxpayers with the bill.

Of course it would be unthinkably cruel to force a leftist to accept reality. The UN gets called in. Lawyers skydive from above out of fleets of C-130s. The media goes stereotypically berserk.

So it's also stupid of us to point out where the real jobs are, or the unpleasant reality that we are all getting older but THIS generation (me included) are getting older in larger numbers and the Baby Boomers will definitely need in-home health care or other assistance, just as much as hospitals and physical therapy outfits would also need people trained in age-related injuries or other "old folks medical stuff."

Will government rescue THOSE workers by forcing a mandated minimum wage set high enough to attract those we need, or will free markets prevail despite SEIU thuggery and we get people who are there to help, rather than wage-slaves just looking for top dollar and don't care about whom they're hired to serve?

We pause now for that image of the old Eskimo trudging off onto the ice floe.

There is a small ,but very vocal, contingent of posters on this forum that feel any adverse comments about business or the wealthy are the result of "Lib", "Dims" or "Commies".
I am none of these, but do feel that Campaign funding should be restricted and is not free speech, and can be used to buy access and preferential laws.

That business should not be allowed to set up headquarters overseas to avoid paying U.S. taxes, thus putting a greater tax burden on individual taxpayers.

That taxes on dividends and capital gains should not be set lower than taxes on income earned by wage earners.

That unbridled illegal immigration is desired by both the democrats (to increase votes) and republicans (to increase cheap labor). This has caused much unemployment, reduced wages, and has increased welfare and medical costs

If these are lib views, than I would guess I am actually a lib, although I always felt I was very conservative.

Watch now and see how the small contingent of business backers respond to this,  ie name calling, derogatory comments, belittling etc