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Title: If you want to define yourself and your positions, then you can do it here
Post by: Dan on September 27, 2010, 09:28:05 AM
I believe in a smaller, more transparent government. I believe in lower, flatter taxes. A fair tax would be even better. I believe in a military that spends less time projecting power for geopolitical goals that do not have anything to do with the direct security of our citizens. I believe that devolving power from the federal government is almost always a great idea. I believe social issues should be determined by the states (abortion, gay marriage, the lines for separation of church and state, etc). I believe that the people should decide on social issues and not judges. I believe in a strict constructionist interpretation of the constitution. I believe that anchor babies are not US Citizens. I believe that if you came here illegally then you need to go back to your country of origin. I believe that global warming is a myth and will continue to do so until hard science proves otherwise. I believe in the seperation of church and state, but I believe the current interpretation is wrong and contrary to the will of the founding fathers. Not everything touched by a public dollar becomes a God free zone. I believe in the second ammendment. I believe it is dangerous to load up the legislative and executive branch leadership positions with people who have never had to make a payroll. I believe in an educational system that is driven by each state and allows for real educational choice that can only come from a voucher system that allows each parent the right to decide what best fits the needs of their children. I believe in keeping more aid dollars at home and less going abroad. I believe in building more and bigger prisons so violent criminals have to o the full time for their crimes.
Title: Re: If you want to define yourself and your positions, then you can do it here
Post by: Seawolf on September 27, 2010, 09:33:54 AM
We first should define what is, is.   ;D
Title: Re: If you want to define yourself and your positions, then you can do it here
Post by: Dan on September 27, 2010, 09:35:58 AM
I believe in the death penalty and I would like to see us add an express lane so it doesn't take 15 years to execute someone. I believe that if you rape a child or deal drugs to a child then you should be executed. You took away their life, so what makes yours so damned special?
Title: Re: If you want to define yourself and your positions, then you can do it here
Post by: Dan on September 27, 2010, 09:37:29 AM
I believe in working hard to ensure we have clean air and water. And that's a big part of what pisses me off about the global warming crowd. They are splitting energy that could be spent in far more constructive efforts.
Title: Re: If you want to define yourself and your positions, then you can do it here
Post by: Dan on September 27, 2010, 09:40:08 AM
I believe the politics of victimization is a dead end street. Until people nut up and take responsibilty for themselves and really own their choices in life, then we will never move ahead as a nation.

My old coach used to say "I've known some 15 year old men and some 50 year old boys. It's not about age. It's about taking responsibilty for your choices." That always stuck with me. We have far too many children and a permissive society that never requires them to grow up. That's a hell of a lot of dead weight for the rest of us to carry and it's not sustainable long term.
Title: Re: If you want to define yourself and your positions, then you can do it here
Post by: Dan on September 27, 2010, 09:43:29 AM
I believe that two of the biggest cancers our society has today are in the press and the legal system. And no I am not saying every reporter or lawyer is a cancer. But both professions have been allowed to go horribly off track to the detriment of society.
Title: Re: If you want to define yourself and your positions, then you can do it here
Post by: zip on September 27, 2010, 12:09:33 PM
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 09:43:29 AM
I believe that two of the biggest cancers our society has today are in the press and the legal system. And no I am not saying every reporter or lawyer is a cancer. But both professions have been allowed to go horribly off track to the detriment of society.

    There is no doubt that this is totally true.
Title: Re: If you want to define yourself and your positions, then you can do it here
Post by: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 12:24:28 PM
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 09:43:29 AM
I believe that two of the biggest cancers our society has today are in the press and the legal system. And no I am not saying every reporter or lawyer is a cancer. But both professions have been allowed to go horribly off track to the detriment of society.

These have been with us since the founding, Dan, and are not new.
Title: Re: If you want to define yourself and your positions, then you can do it here
Post by: Dan on September 27, 2010, 12:35:35 PM
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 12:24:28 PM
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 09:43:29 AM
I believe that two of the biggest cancers our society has today are in the press and the legal system. And no I am not saying every reporter or lawyer is a cancer. But both professions have been allowed to go horribly off track to the detriment of society.

These have been with us since the founding, Dan, and are not new.

Ask yourself this shooterman. If I had been born with a really ugly growth on my ass and it had obviously been there all along, does that somehow make it more attractive or comfortable? Should I not remove it just because it's been there all along? I say that much like an unsightly growth that has been there since birth, our current legal system should be corrected too.

And I hope I can count on you too Shooterman. I hope you aren't pro-ugly growths on people's asses because that would just be unamerican.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: If you want to define yourself and your positions, then you can do it here
Post by: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 12:53:40 PM
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 12:35:35 PM
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 12:24:28 PM
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 09:43:29 AM
I believe that two of the biggest cancers our society has today are in the press and the legal system. And no I am not saying every reporter or lawyer is a cancer. But both professions have been allowed to go horribly off track to the detriment of society.

These have been with us since the founding, Dan, and are not new.

Ask yourself this shooterman. If I had been born with a really ugly growth on my ass and it had obviously been there all along, does that somehow make it more attractive or comfortable? Should I not remove it just because it's been there all along? I say that much like an unsightly growth that has been there since birth, our current legal system should be corrected too.

And I hope I can count on you too Shooterman. I hope you aren't pro-ugly growths on people's asses because that would just be unamerican.  ;D ;D ;D

Well, the last thing I want is to have Dan think of me as unAmerican, so I'll best be about changing my conservative ways. .

Truth be known, I'm not sure what ugly growth on one's ass has to do with the fact that we have always had the press, they gave Jefferson hell. We've always had the legal profession, consider John Marshall and Marbury. Short of outlawing the press ( consider what Lincoln did ) and the legal profession ( I have pronounced my solution to that many times in the past ), like RINOs, I'm not sure exactly what you intend to do about them or even what can be done about them. Sometimes, rhetoric flows freely, but is often as muddy as the mighty Mississippi.

I guess, like Lincoln, we could deport the RINO CongressCritters, or even like him, we could sign arrest warrants for Justices, or even maybe Judges and Lawyers.
Title: Re: If you want to define yourself and your positions, then you can do it here
Post by: Dan on September 27, 2010, 02:10:43 PM
My point Shooterman, was to say that a longstanding problem is no less valid simply because it's been there for a while. I was just trying to have fun and be silly with the explanation.  :P
Title: Re: If you want to define yourself and your positions, then you can do it here
Post by: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 03:10:57 PM
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 02:10:43 PM
My point Shooterman, was to say that a longstanding problem is no less valid simply because it's been there for a while. I was just trying to have fun and be silly with the explanation.  :P

Dan, all the funnin' and screwing around in the world is not gonna change, one whit, the unfortunate things in this country that are part and parcel of the political scene. Change it if you can, but I think, like RINOs, DINOs, CINOs, and WINOs, they will always be with us. We either accept that, refuse to accept that, or go crazy thinking on it. Life is far too short, especially at my age, to fight to change what I can not. We all rant, rave, wear sackcloth and ashes, do many umm-dega-degas, and generally kick over the traces, but some things will remain. The Press and Lawyers are two of them.
Title: Re: If you want to define yourself and your positions, then you can do it here
Post by: crepe05 on September 27, 2010, 05:00:07 PM
Let me make it perfectly clear, I'm a Republican.  I want the govt to stay out of my life as much as possible.  The govt is to provide for my defense, as stated in the Constitution.  Follow the Constitution and I'll be happy.  I particularly want them right now to stay out of the internet, but that should be another thread.

House is on, and I'm outta here.
Title: Re: If you want to define yourself and your positions, then you can do it here
Post by: Dan on September 27, 2010, 05:30:22 PM
Crepe05, if you want government to stay out of people's lives then what do you think when Republicans like Mike Castle support cap and trade and Republicans like Cao support Obamacare. What is more important to you? Is it making them feel good about advocating things against your beliefs or is it pushing hard to hold them accountable to the principals that unite us?
Title: Re: If you want to define yourself and your positions, then you can do it here
Post by: BILLY Defiant on September 27, 2010, 06:02:08 PM
I not really too sophistocated when it comes to my positions, they are traditional conservative. I don't want to say I'm a "republican", but most of the candidates I've ever voted for were republican party. The exception was Ross Perot, I voted for him twice, and once an independent in a local (Virginia) election...He lost.

My most important issue is national security and security of our Nation, which is really a non partisan issue. I've been involved in security and law enforcement as a profession all  my life and I understand how this impacts the average citizen moreso than others.

National security doesn't necessarily mean having US troops in countries we can't even pronounce the names of, as a matter of fact, I think that is one of the strategic problems we have that detract from more pressing priority issues. I can't for the life of me understand the widom of basing 8K  marines in Okinawa or 10K in Europe when the Venezuelan based drug dealers are sneaking tons of cocaine into the US via submarine. If you can get ten tons of coke smuggled into the US you can get ten tons on nuclear waste.

So securing the borders comes first, IMHO, naturally a sound immigration policy is needed, we have anything but that nowadays, that is why the crime rate (which is another national security issue) is through the roof.


Next is fiscal responsibility, to be fiscal responsible you need less and less Govt. Boobaucracies cost money and usually waste money in idiotic programs that don't work. Why we need a Fed Dept of education that doesn't teach, an Energy dept that doesn't help produce energy, etc etc is beyond me.

Next is the stratigic imperative, money spent abroad is money wasted, this is just a form of welfare in some cases, protection money, bribe money, we are buying peoples good will (so we falsely think) so they won't turn around and crap all over us, but they do any how.

I could go on and on about taxes, flat taxes would be best, tax everybody at the same rate as that is fair, but I would also favor abolishment of all taxes and have the states impose their own (limited) VAT, that way money would flow up from the States to the fed, not vice versa. You could probably also eliminate property taxes in this manner.

I'm gonna cut this short as I'm starting to bore myself


Billy








Title: Re: If you want to define yourself and your positions, then you can do it here
Post by: Dan on September 27, 2010, 10:45:08 PM
Why?
Title: Re: If you want to define yourself and your positions, then you can do it here
Post by: Nautical Underpants on September 27, 2010, 10:56:18 PM
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 10:45:08 PM
Why?

I think that was an attempt at wit....
Title: Re: If you want to define yourself and your positions, then you can do it here
Post by: crepe05 on September 28, 2010, 03:35:54 AM
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 05:30:22 PM
Crepe05, if you want government to stay out of people's lives then what do you think when Republicans like Mike Castle support cap and trade and Republicans like Cao support Obamacare. What is more important to you? Is it making them feel good about advocating things against your beliefs or is it pushing hard to hold them accountable to the principals that unite us?

What do I think about Reps like them?  I think that it's better that they're in office than a dem whom we know will vote in lockstep on all things Obama  and the dem hierarchy want.  Would I prefer a different Rep?  Yes.  Was a different Rep the winner of the primary?  Nope.  You work with what you've got to work with.
Title: Re: If you want to define yourself and your positions, then you can do it here
Post by: Dan on September 28, 2010, 04:18:12 AM
Actually I agree. So long as there isn't a more conservative option then I can handle a more liberal Republican if they are the only choice against the Democrat. Scott Brown, Olympia Snow and Susan Collins are all the best we can do I'm New England. But also keep in mind that all 3 are to the right of Mike Castle. But when you have a conservative option who wins the primary fair and square then those more liberal Republicans also need to live up to their side of the deal and support the Republican nominee. Such as Miller, O'Donnell and Angle. If one side needs to stomach people who are outside of our ideal, then all sides need to be held to the same standard. The way I see it, the tea party guys are doing their part. They were key towards electing Scott Brown. But were is the liberal wing of the party when it comes to supporting O'Donnell.
Title: Re: If you want to define yourself and your positions, then you can do it here
Post by: crepe05 on September 28, 2010, 04:24:16 AM
I agree with you.  I don't know much about Delaware other than O'Donnel got the nomination.  Haven't seen anything else regarding her support than what you've just said.  If the more moderate reps aren't supporting her, and I assume you're right cuz I don't see you as a liar, then shame on them!   I'll be one of the first to spank them.  Republicans should be Republicans at the end of the day.  Primaries are to be where the fights are, at least that's how I see things.
Title: Re: If you want to define yourself and your positions, then you can do it here
Post by: Dan on September 28, 2010, 04:39:44 AM
I suspect senate closer on this stuff than our earlier posts in this thread would suggest. Charlie Crist and Lisa Murkowsi both refused to endorse the conservative who won the republican nomination and both are running against their party in the general elections. And Mike Castle still hasn't endorsed O'Donnell and still hasn't ruled out running against both her and the party. And ironically, in Delaware, the republican party is no actively supporting O'Donnell. And when you couple this lack of support from the middle with the frustration of not having establishment Republicans really advocate our positions for a couple of decades, then I think some of our frustration is understandable. And if a candidate is willing to run against his party in the general election because he thinks the nominee is too conservative then I don't think it's an unreasonable reaction for us to question his conservative bona fixes. To borrow a Stallone line from Rambo "they drew first blood".
Title: Re: If you want to define yourself and your positions, then you can do it here
Post by: crepe05 on September 28, 2010, 05:11:13 AM
I agree.  Let's just hope that the people who are running for office can sell their positions effectively.  The Reps running against the candidate who was chosen by the voters are sore losers and self centered bleeps.  It's that simple.
Title: Re: If you want to define yourself and your positions, then you can do it here
Post by: Solar on September 28, 2010, 07:58:56 AM
Quote from: bama_beau_redux on September 27, 2010, 10:28:30 PM

I believe that Solar is a lunatic.

There, I said it.  I feel better now.  Thank you for your support.

And this is a revelation?  You gay little communist, you. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: If you want to define yourself and your positions, then you can do it here
Post by: Shooterman on September 28, 2010, 08:19:53 AM
Quote from: bama_beau_redux on September 27, 2010, 10:28:30 PM

I believe that Solar is a lunatic.

There, I said it.  I feel better now.  Thank you for your support.

Of course Solar is a lunatic. Only lunatics will attempt to herd cats on a forum.
Title: Re: If you want to define yourself and your positions, then you can do it here
Post by: Solar on September 28, 2010, 08:33:27 AM
Quote from: Shooterman on September 28, 2010, 08:19:53 AM
Quote from: bama_beau_redux on September 27, 2010, 10:28:30 PM

I believe that Solar is a lunatic.

There, I said it.  I feel better now.  Thank you for your support.

Of course Solar is a lunatic. Only lunatics will attempt to herd cats on a forum.
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Title: Re: If you want to define yourself and your positions, then you can do it here
Post by: Shooterman on September 28, 2010, 08:35:53 AM
Quote from: Solar on September 28, 2010, 08:33:27 AM
Quote from: Shooterman on September 28, 2010, 08:19:53 AM
Quote from: bama_beau_redux on September 27, 2010, 10:28:30 PM

I believe that Solar is a lunatic.

There, I said it.  I feel better now.  Thank you for your support.

Of course Solar is a lunatic. Only lunatics will attempt to herd cats on a forum.
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Title: Re: If you want to define yourself and your positions, then you can do it here
Post by: walkstall on September 28, 2010, 09:34:09 AM
Quote from: Shooterman on September 28, 2010, 08:19:53 AM
Quote from: bama_beau_redux on September 27, 2010, 10:28:30 PM

I believe that Solar is a lunatic.

There, I said it.  I feel better now.  Thank you for your support.

Of course Solar is a lunatic. Only lunatics will attempt to herd cats on a forum.
A dog you can walk or walk with.   But at cat walks you.  Something about control.  >:D