I want to call Senator Rubio out on his H-1b visa bill
I am quite confused by our government support of foreign workers over Americans educated in taxpayer funded American colleges. It just doesn't make sense.
Taxpayers fund the colleges that we send our children too:
Taxpayer Subsidies for Most Colleges and Universities Average Between $8,000 to More than $100,000 for Each Bachelor's Degree, New Study Finds
http://www.air.org/news/press-release/taxpayer-subsidies-most-colleges-and-universities-average-between-8000-more
Then the government cashes in on student debt. They make a huge profit from the students that are taking jobs that have nothing to do with their education. Drowning in student debt they struggle to pay back loans because they can't find work. Corporate America says they aren't worth employing because their education isn't good enough:
Government books $41.3 billion in student loan profits
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/25/federal-student-loan-profit/3696009/
Then you have Marco Rubio and Microsoft pressing for infinite H-1b visa's to quash any hopes young Americans may have of using their expensive educations.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/08/jeff-sessions-targets-marco-rubio-on-h-1b-visas-says-hes-quashing-americans-dreams/
Pandering is nothing new with the `rats or the `pubs. M$ should hire back the thousands they have laid off rather than employ foreigners.
I honestly don't have an Issue with H1B visa', at least they're going through the process legally, bringing their own support system with them as well as wealth and a skill other than voting Dim.
Point is, there was a time that all those entering the country followed H1B requirements.
In truth, what Rubio is saying, is no different than what he's supported all along, an organized open border system.
This is just three card Monte from the Gang of Eight, sleight of hand.
What they've been proposing all along, a revamped H1B visa, they'll just lower the standards, allowing everyone that wants to come across the border to meet the new H1B directives, breathing or bleeding will suffice.
In some cases:
You send a fool to school and end up with an educated fool.
I thought Rubio voted against the Immigration bill back in 2013.
The H1B visa expansion bill didn't get passed the house.
Quote from: Solar on August 15, 2015, 06:14:39 AM
I honestly don't have an Issue with H1B visa', at least they're going through the process legally, bringing their own support system with them as well as wealth and a skill other than voting Dim.
Point is, there was a time that all those entering the country followed H1B requirements.
In truth, what Rubio is saying, is no different than what he's supported all along, an organized open border system.
This is just three card Monte from the Gang of Eight, sleight of hand.
What they've been proposing all along, a revamped H1B visa, they'll just lower the standards, allowing everyone that wants to come across the border to meet the new H1B directives, breathing or bleeding will suffice.
I think this is the problem in America. We are so divided. Politics are all run and decided by big business. Americans have a hard time being represented because there is such a ignorance about what matters to Americans. The shift began in the late 1980's and is continuing more and more every year. The value of American workers and families is so little to politicians. Outsourcing, downsizing. H-1b all designed to put American families out of work. Sometimes I wonder what I am. Democrat, Republican. To me it really doesn't matter when I know that politicians are puffed up ignorant poops that only care about who will give them money. To hell with the American family. As long as they are receiving their government perks. This is about my family. It matters to me. We aren't lazy people.
The response is expected. It still doesn't explain how the government can fund colleges that fail to provide workers for American companies. Stamped with a big FAIL.
Quote from: Dori on August 15, 2015, 01:39:56 PM
I thought Rubio voted against the Immigration bill back in 2013.
The H1B visa expansion bill didn't get passed the house.
That is a good thing.
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on August 15, 2015, 07:12:01 PM
I think this is the problem in America. We are so divided. Politics are all run and decided by big business. Americans have a hard time being represented because there is such a ignorance about what matters to Americans. The shift began in the late 1980's and is continuing more and more every year. The value of American workers and families is so little to politicians. Outsourcing, downsizing. H-1b all designed to put American families out of work. Sometimes I wonder what I am. Democrat, Republican. To me it really doesn't matter when I know that politicians are puffed up ignorant poops that only care about who will give them money. To hell with the American family. As long as they are receiving their government perks. This is about my family. It matters to me. We aren't lazy people.
The response is expected. It still doesn't explain how the government can fund colleges that fail to provide workers for American companies. Stamped with a big FAIL.
True. This is a dirty little secret many are not aware of.
Virtually since the GOP's inception, they have been the party of commerce, as time went by, Marxists made inroads into corporate America, changing the face of society through social change.
It wasn't until Klinton came onto the scene and stole away much of the GOP' support (corporations) that it became apparent that corporate America had taken over politics.
It's for this reason the GOP is freaking out over Conservatives/TEA, because we're a threat to their only lifeline, crony capitalism.
This was to be the year that would cinch their place in power because corporate America had written off the Marxist party because they saw the writing on the wall, that they'd lose influence backing a dead party.
So now the Base is a threat to their very way of life and it's freaking them the Hell out, that the entire game is coming to an end.
This election, truly is, the most important election in the last 100 years, our very future/existence, as a free nation, rests on our shoulders.
Someone is ruining our kids. The schools, parents?
A friend of mine called in an employee for their annual report card.
She told the young man that the only thing she saw was the kid would make several trips for supplies before starting a project. She said work smarter and not harder by just making one trip if possible.
He told her that he wanted her to fire him so he could hang out with his friends and collect unemployment..
The kid was heavily screened for the life time job and passed all the tests.
Our foreign workers never gave us any grief.
Quote from: darroll on August 15, 2015, 07:33:02 PM
Someone is ruining our kids. The schools, parents?
A friend of mine called in an employee for their annual report card.
She told the young man that the only thing she saw was the kid would make several trips for supplies before starting a project. She said work smarter and not harder by just making one trip if possible.
He told her that he wanted her to fire him so he could hang out with his friends and collect unemployment..
The kid was heavily screened for the life time job and passed all the tests.
Our foreign workers never gave us any grief.
Really? You should see the foreign workers at my company. You will find them in the bathroom on their phones.
And we aren't talking about production workers on this thread. We are talking about young Americans who invested in their futures. Parents who invested in their children's futures only to be insulted by the government. We pay for school and we pay for the politicians salary just to have them say our educated family members have no value.
Quote from: Solar on August 15, 2015, 07:31:50 PM
True. This is a dirty little secret many are not aware of.
Virtually since the GOP's inception, they have been the party of commerce, as time went by, Marxists made inroads into corporate America, changing the face of society through social change.
It wasn't until Klinton came onto the scene and stole away much of the GOP' support (corporations) that it became apparent that corporate America had taken over politics.
It's for this reason the GOP is freaking out over Conservatives/TEA, because we're a threat to their only lifeline, crony capitalism.
This was to be the year that would cinch their place in power because corporate America had written off the Marxist party because they saw the writing on the wall, that they'd lose influence backing a dead party.
So now the Base is a threat to their very way of life and it's freaking them the Hell out, that the entire game is coming to an end.
This election, truly is, the most important election in the last 100 years, our very future/existence, as a free nation, rests on our shoulders.
Amen, I think that Cruz is going to be the candidate. I was sickened by FOX news this morning talking about how people like Trump. Most Americans don't have time to take polls. They aren't reading political blogs. They don't show up at political rallies. Its so early so what the heck? They do it every time. I swear that they are going to push Hill and Don. Both liberals. Romney was liberal. McCain was liberal. We have the media choosing the looser they want already.
Quote from: darroll on August 15, 2015, 07:33:02 PM
Our foreign workers never gave us any grief.
When I was in construction, we used a subcontractor who would only hire employees from one of the central American countries. He said they were the best employees he every had. He trained them to work the way he wanted and they always showed up and on time, and put out a good job. He was a real stickler for neatness and perfection.
They were legal. It was my job to be sure everyone had the proper licenses, insurances and used legal employees.
I see the issue. American's are lazy. Are you all lazy too?
It seems all Americans should forget working and get on welfare. That is all they are capable of doing.
Oops guess Cruz isn't the guy either. Cruz doesn't think our education system works either. Maybe Walker will stand up for Americans.
http://www.petition2congress.com/7637/abolish-h1b-visa-program/view/
I have to say I am sorry for the above post. I am going to let it stand though because if you are an American production worker you hear this kind of stuff all of the time. And I said it because that is always what I think. Are these corporate Supervisors, managers and CEO's excluding themselves from the lazy label? As if the difference in position makes them a superior race above the lower class Americans. Think about it. The boss only hires these people because he ....... Work ethics don't come from what ethnicity you are. When I hear this crap I think of my day at work. The person sitting back in their chair socializing when the boss isn't looking. I work hard whether anyone is looking or not so this kind of discussion is offensive. Sorry I asked if anyone is lazy but because I'm American and production worker I am automatically grouped into the lazy workers.
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on August 15, 2015, 09:42:44 PM
I have to say I am sorry for the above post. I am going to let it stand though because if you are an American production worker you hear this kind of stuff all of the time. And I said it because that is always what I think. Are these corporate Supervisors, managers and CEO's excluding themselves from the lazy label? As if the difference in position makes them a superior race above the lower class Americans. Think about it. The boss only hires these people because he ....... Work ethics don't come from what ethnicity you are. When I hear this crap I think of my day at work. The person sitting back in their chair socializing when the boss isn't looking. I work hard whether anyone is looking or not so this kind of discussion is offensive. Sorry I asked if anyone is lazy but because I'm American and production worker I am automatically grouped into the lazy workers.
What is your grievance? Maybe I missed it. Tell Uncle Taxed...
Quote from: taxed on August 15, 2015, 09:44:14 PM
What is your grievance? Maybe I missed it. Tell Uncle Taxed...
meme: Foreign workers better than American workers.
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on August 15, 2015, 09:54:45 PM
meme: Foreign workers better than American workers.
Depends on the job. What type of job are we talking about?
And the lines are blurred. Democrats/Republicans. Obama said Americans are lazy. Resonates with all politicians it seems. They hate us.
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on August 15, 2015, 10:06:40 PM
And the lines are blurred. Democrats/Republicans. Obama said Americans are lazy. Resonates with all politicians it seems. They hate us.
I'm confused. You are just now realizing the Marxists hate the producers of our society?
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on August 15, 2015, 10:06:40 PM
And the lines are blurred. Democrats/Republicans. Obama said Americans are lazy. Resonates with all politicians it seems. They hate us.
Barry calls us lazy from the golf course.
Quote from: taxed on August 15, 2015, 09:58:24 PM
Depends on the job. What type of job are we talking about?
How does it depend on the job? When I was a young lady I worked at a construction site. I cleaned out the condo units after the framers were done. $25 a unit. I also nailed floor and wall board. Dug some ditches. Did lots of unpleasant jobs too. Like the contractor had a home with water in crawlspace. I had to go under and dig. Young lady digging under the house. It isn't a job I didn't want to do.
Then there were many young American men getting their starts in the construction business. That's when Americans learned construction business and started their own companies. I was just making some money for rent. But just like it was said in a previous post. Sub contractors don't hire Americans anymore.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 15, 2015, 10:09:02 PM
Barry calls us lazy from the golf course.
Ya see! He didn't realize that he is the lazy one!!!!
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on August 15, 2015, 10:14:11 PM
How does it depend on the job? When I was a young lady I worked at a construction site. I cleaned out the condo units after the framers were done. $25 a unit. I also nailed floor and wall board. Dug some ditches. Did lots of unpleasant jobs too. Like the contractor had a home with water in crawlspace. I had to go under and dig. Young lady digging under the house. It isn't a job I didn't want to do.
Then there were many young American men getting their starts in the construction business. That's when Americans learned construction business and started their own companies. I was just making some money for rent. But just like it was said in a previous post. Sub contractors don't hire Americans anymore.
I understand, but you can't fault the sub contractors too much. Everyone is under a margin and labor cost squeeze. You can get foreign workers to do a lot more work for less money. That increases production, and in manufacturing, reduces your cost per unit. The solution is to kill the unions, eliminate the minimum wage. I don't have a problem eliminating the H-1b visas.
Quote from: taxed on August 15, 2015, 10:08:18 PM
I'm confused. You are just now realizing the Marxists hate the producers of our society?
No, but its always a disappointment. Paying taxes so that self loving politicians can say the American workers aren't worth anything. Not even a job.
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on August 15, 2015, 10:19:42 PM
No, but its always a disappointment. Paying taxes so that self loving politicians can say the American workers aren't worth anything. Not even a job.
I understand. The climate under the Marxists is anti-business, "you didn't build that". They are losers and scum of the Earth, but they are on their way out, so hang tough ;-)
Quote from: taxed on August 15, 2015, 10:21:45 PM
I understand. The climate under the Marxists is anti-business, "you didn't build that". They are losers and scum of the Earth, but they are on their way out, so hang tough ;-)
Thank You. :thumbsup:
If this thread has a point it is duller than a butter knife.
Quote from: taxed on August 15, 2015, 10:17:44 PM
I understand, but you can't fault the sub contractors too much. Everyone is under a margin and labor cost squeeze. You can get foreign workers to do a lot more work for less money. That increases production, and in manufacturing, reduces your cost per unit. The solution is to kill the unions, eliminate the minimum wage. I don't have a problem eliminating the H-1b visas.
I still would disagree. There are fast and slow in every culture. Another factor is their legal status. They just become another in the American work force wanting to know when break time is. But as for the minimum wage. I am all for paying for the work done. I am a good worker with lots of experience. Not in the construction business. But in electronics. I think a person should be paid for experience and the work ethics they show in the work place.
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on August 15, 2015, 10:44:19 PM
I still would disagree.
I'm coming from a perspective of experience, not conjecture.
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There are fast and slow in every culture.
Yes, but it's beyond that. In food, for example, they will work and cut vegetables in a giant refrigerator, freezing their ass off, for 10 hours per day -- sometimes longer, at a fast pace. It is difficult to recruit for a position like this, in any scale, for Americans. When you do find some, the turnover itself just isn't worth it.
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Another factor is their legal status. They just become another in the American work force wanting to know when break time is. But as for the minimum wage. I am all for paying for the work done. I am a good worker with lots of experience. Not in the construction business. But in electronics. I think a person should be paid for experience and the work ethics they show in the work place.
A person should be paid as agreed upon between the business and the employee. Competition will find the best compensation rate.
Quote from: taxed on August 15, 2015, 10:49:50 PM
I'm coming from a perspective of experience, not conjecture.
Yes, but it's beyond that. In food, for example, they will work and cut vegetables in a giant refrigerator, freezing their ass off, for 10 hours per day -- sometimes longer, at a fast pace. It is difficult to recruit for a position like this, in any scale, for Americans. When you do find some, the turnover itself just isn't worth it.
A person should be paid as agreed upon between the business and the employee. Competition will find the best compensation rate.
Well of coarse if you can't find American workers that want to do that job. There are already plenty migrants and guest workers in America to fill those low wage labor jobs. We don't need millions flooding into the U.S. to fill the positions. Those positions also do not require H-1b visa's. I think that every job should be offered to American citizens. That is what a interview is supposed to accomplish. A good candidate for the job. Even in a low wage position. You have to be a good judge of character not race!
Raising minimum wage will only force a company to pay skilled labor less so that they can meet the minimum wage. There won't be any need to negotiate pay then or make any agreement because they won't be able to afford to pay skilled people more.
Thank you taxed for the good discussion. I have to go to bed. Worked OT today and tired. Looking forward to more discussion.
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on August 15, 2015, 11:11:18 PM
Well of coarse if you can't find American workers that want to do that job. There are already plenty migrants and guest workers in America to fill those low wage labor jobs. We don't need millions flooding into the U.S. to fill the positions.
I agree. If we shut down the border, eliminate unions and minimum wage, it won't even be a labor cost issue, and there would be plenty of labor and room for companies to maneuver.
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Those positions also do not require H-1b visa's. I think that every job should be offered to American citizens. That is what a interview is supposed to accomplish. A good candidate for the job. Even in a low wage position. You have to be a good judge of character not race!
I agree.
QuoteRaising minimum wage will only force a company to pay skilled labor less so that they can meet the minimum wage. There won't be any need to negotiate pay then or make any agreement because they won't be able to afford to pay skilled people more.
Well, maybe, it depends on the company, but it increases labor costs, driving up cost per unit in any case. Any time government interferes with natural market forces, it is bad and throws everything out of balance.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 15, 2015, 10:09:02 PM
Barry calls us lazy from the golf course.
Martha's vineyard at that.
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on August 15, 2015, 11:16:22 PM
Thank you taxed for the good discussion. I have to go to bed. Worked OT today and tired. Looking forward to more discussion.
Likewise.
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on August 15, 2015, 10:44:19 PM
I still would disagree. There are fast and slow in every culture. Another factor is their legal status. They just become another in the American work force wanting to know when break time is. But as for the minimum wage. I am all for paying for the work done. I am a good worker with lots of experience. Not in the construction business. But in electronics. I think a person should be paid for experience and the work ethics they show in the work place.
We all get it, the country is full of illegals, but what you're saying is, we need to stop all immigration?
You do realize, some of the greatest minds in the world in this country, came from somewhere else, right?
Hell, without Oppenheimer, we'd possibly be speaking either Japanese or German.
Point is, the U.S. has always had an H1B requirement, where someone wanting to come here had to prove they were self sufficient, knew the language and had studied our history which required testing, hurdles that most Natives couldn't pass.
Unfortunately corporations are abusing the system as a way of replacing Americans with cheap labor, but it's not the fault of the system, it's crony corporatism, it's a failure of our Representation in DC, it's our fault for electing these scum, stupid people willing to elect idiots like Trump all because he hit's an emotional nerve.
There was a time when our immigration system wasn't brpken, because laws were enforced, Govt didn't promise blanket immunity for law breakers.
No, it's not the laws that are at issue, it's is our failure for being too damn lazy and stupid and getting off our asses and doing something about it.
Conservatives are notorious for not wanting to be bothered with participating, they just want to vote and hope those they elect do as they promised.
We have only ourselves to blame for letting the enemy takeover the system, all pretty much in our generation, with the help of our father's.
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on August 15, 2015, 08:35:05 PM
I see the issue. American's are lazy. Are you all lazy too?
Not to rattle you.
Are the American workers all doped up? Or hung over?
Good jobs don't do drug testing and they sure take advantage of the no test rules.
Now they holler that pot is legal. Who wants to work below a guy that could drop a wrench on you?
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on August 15, 2015, 09:42:44 PM
I have to say I am sorry for the above post. I am going to let it stand though because if you are an American production worker you hear this kind of stuff all of the time. And I said it because that is always what I think. Are these corporate Supervisors, managers and CEO's excluding themselves from the lazy label? As if the difference in position makes them a superior race above the lower class Americans. Think about it. The boss only hires these people because he ....... Work ethics don't come from what ethnicity you are. When I hear this crap I think of my day at work. The person sitting back in their chair socializing when the boss isn't looking. I work hard whether anyone is looking or not so this kind of discussion is offensive. Sorry I asked if anyone is lazy but because I'm American and production worker I am automatically grouped into the lazy workers.
No apology needed if you were talking to me. Excuse me but I'm blunt. I don't think new hires (young American people) are lazy. They seem to have bad attitudes. They hate the place when they walk thru the door. Like one of our bosses said If you feel like the company makes all the profits and the worker gets screwed by their wages, buy our stock as that is where the profits go. (Paraphrase)
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on August 15, 2015, 08:37:17 PM
It seems all Americans should forget working and get on welfare. That is all they are capable of doing.
It's what killed South Africa. They grew lazy and imported cheap black labor from the north to "do the jobs South Africans wouldn't do." But wouldn't you know it, they began to demand "rights!" Who could have seen that coming? Now South Africa is gone and the whites are paying for turning over their country to the inept.
Quote from: darroll on August 16, 2015, 10:43:05 AM
No apology needed if you were talking to me. Excuse me but I'm blunt. I don't think new hires (young American people) are lazy. They seem to have bad attitudes. They hate the place when they walk thru the door. Like one of our bosses said If you feel like the company makes all the profits and the worker gets screwed by their wages, buy our stock as that is where the profits go. (Paraphrase)
I agree with you. They are not lazy, but have bad attitudes. Why is this? What I observed with millennials before I retired is their energy is misguided because they are not prepared for the real world. Neither our education system or parents are preparing these folks for the real work world. Nobody told them to work hard, keep their noses clean and good things will happen. It is really easier now because so many new workers have no clue what good work ethic is.
Quote from: supsalemgr on August 16, 2015, 11:42:59 AM
I agree with you. They are not lazy, but have bad attitudes. Why is this? What I observed with millennials before I retired is their energy is misguided because they are not prepared for the real world. Neither our education system or parents are preparing these folks for the real work world. Nobody told them to work hard, keep their noses clean and good things will happen. It is really easier now because so many new workers have no clue what good work ethic is.
The Union shop that was in our place had a no questions ask if you got rid of someone within 30 days. After that you needed all your ducks in a row. One problem with that, anyone can work good for 30 day in a entry level job. It's after the 30 days or when they move up that the problems start. They think they should get what people that have work 10 to 30 years are getting, that help build the company through the years.
Quote from: supsalemgr on August 16, 2015, 11:42:59 AM
I agree with you. They are not lazy, but have bad attitudes. Why is this? What I observed with millennials before I retired is their energy is misguided because they are not prepared for the real world. Neither our education system or parents are preparing these folks for the real work world. Nobody told them to work hard, keep their noses clean and good things will happen. It is really easier now because so many new workers have no clue what good work ethic is.
I agree. The bad attitudes include a lack of respect for authority. They do not hesitate to challenge the boss. Somehow "respect for authority" got omitted from their education process!!
Quote from: kroz on August 17, 2015, 12:29:10 PM
I agree. The bad attitudes include a lack of respect for authority. They do not hesitate to challenge the boss. Somehow "respect for authority" got omitted from their education process!!
Socrates and Plato said the same thing.
Quote from: s3779m on August 18, 2015, 01:44:52 PM
Socrates and Plato said the same thing.
Oh, I guess I am in "interesting" company!! :laugh:
Quote from: kroz on August 18, 2015, 02:01:47 PM
Oh, I guess I am in "interesting" company!! :laugh:
I do believe it is an honor! :thumbup:
Quote from: s3779m on August 18, 2015, 02:29:07 PM
I do believe it is an honor! :thumbup:
Thanks! :biggrin:
Quote from: Solar on August 15, 2015, 06:14:39 AM
I honestly don't have an Issue with H1B visa', at least they're going through the process legally, bringing their own support system with them as well as wealth and a skill other than voting Dim.
Point is, there was a time that all those entering the country followed H1B requirements.
In truth, what Rubio is saying, is no different than what he's supported all along, an organized open border system.
This is just three card Monte from the Gang of Eight, sleight of hand.
What they've been proposing all along, a revamped H1B visa, they'll just lower the standards, allowing everyone that wants to come across the border to meet the new H1B directives, breathing or bleeding will suffice.
Ok so why even have an immigration process then? If he (Rubio) would do as Obammy has done, look the other way, refuse to deport,. etc...there's no reason why anyone on this planet should take the ten to twelve years it takes to immigrate legally. :cool:
Quote from: daidalos on August 18, 2015, 09:17:32 PM
Ok so why even have an immigration process then? If he (Rubio) would do as Obammy has done, look the other way, refuse to deport,. etc...there's no reason why anyone on this planet should take the ten to twelve years it takes to immigrate legally. :cool:
With Rubio it's all smoke and mirrors, aesthetics, sleight of hand, inferences of being legal, when in truth, to Rubio, the H1B is merely a label, a system that can be gutted and used as on open gate for illegals.
That's his plan in the end.