I ask, because the GOP RINO Foist upon us a worthless candidate, one where his inconstancy is a slap in the face to the base.
With this in mind, what will you do, will you continue to vote pub, demand a new party completely abandon the GOP?
What are our options? It happens every four years, yet nothing changes.
Quote from: Solar on April 20, 2012, 09:20:09 AM
I ask, because the GOP RINO Foist upon us a worthless candidate, one where his inconstancy is a slap in the face to the base.
With this in mind, what will you do, will you continue to vote pub, demand a new party completely abandon the GOP?
What are our options? It happens every four years, yet nothing changes.
I've said this once, I'll say it again. If the GOP snatches defeat out of the jaws of victory, Romney is the LAST Republican Presidential Nominee I will ever vote for. It will be time for a 3rd Party.
-Dr Watt
Quote from: Dr_Watt on April 20, 2012, 09:33:34 AM
I've said this once, I'll say it again. If the GOP snatches defeat out of the jaws of victory, Romney is the LAST Republican Presidential Nominee I will ever vote for. It will be time for a 3rd Party.
-Dr Watt
I said it after McCain, which is why I wrote..
http://newsblaze.com/story/20120127195104tomr.nb/topstory.html (http://newsblaze.com/story/20120127195104tomr.nb/topstory.html)
I've had it with the status quo, granted they've left us with no alternative.
Like the left, they've used our morality to kill the best candidates Like Cain.
They know the base wants a Conservative, so they helped the left defeat our best prospects by killing off the most Conservative candidates.
In a nutshell, we are our own worst enemy when it comes down to electing our leaders.
In my view, once Cain was gone, we attacked all of the remaining candidates, Mitten sat quiet while we protested against the remaining group of quasi conservatives campaigned, and the leftist media sat silent in capitulation because they wanted mitten as the opposition candidate.
The GOP played us like a fined tuned instrument. We've been had.
I think we'll see a fragmenting of the GOP, with the RINO probably keeping the Republican party and the conservatives branching into a third party, if Obama is re-elected.
As far as options go, for those who are in good shape, physically, and truly desperate (desperate enough to consider being French), there's always the French Foreign Legion. :blink: :lol:
Costa Rica sounds good....as an expatriate.
Quote from: hokiewoodchuck on April 20, 2012, 10:06:18 AM
Costa Rica sounds good....as an expatriate.
Or Cartagena, Colombia, so long as you have self control. :wink:
After looking at those pics.......no I don't have THAT kind of control. I would be a kid in a candy store.........then broke.
Quote from: hokiewoodchuck on April 20, 2012, 11:32:42 AM
After looking at those pics.......no I don't have THAT kinf of control. I would be a kid in a candy store.........then broke.
What pics? :blink:
They were on this site. Someone posted them. I think it was quiller.
I am sorry you missed out.....LOL!
Quote from: hokiewoodchuck on April 20, 2012, 11:35:33 AM
They were on this site. Someone posted them. I think it was quiller.
I am sorry you missed out.....LOL!
Was it this one?
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/one-thing-is-for-certain-about-the-secret-service/ (http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/one-thing-is-for-certain-about-the-secret-service/)
That's just one.......OMG! Find quillers post he must have a 100 pics, some good(local) some not so good(hildabeast clintoon)
Quote from: hokiewoodchuck on April 20, 2012, 11:35:33 AM
They were on this site. Someone posted them. I think it was quiller.
I am sorry you missed out.....LOL!
OK, I was just trying to figure out what they had to do with the OP.
What is OP?
Quote from: Solar on April 20, 2012, 09:44:34 AM
I said it after McCain, which is why I wrote..
http://newsblaze.com/story/20120127195104tomr.nb/topstory.html (http://newsblaze.com/story/20120127195104tomr.nb/topstory.html)
I've had it with the status quo, granted they've left us with no alternative.
Like the left, they've used our morality to kill the best candidates Like Cain.
They know the base wants a Conservative, so they helped the left defeat our best prospects by killing off the most Conservative candidates.
In a nutshell, we are our own worst enemy when it comes down to electing our leaders.
In my view, once Cain was gone, we attacked all of the remaining candidates, Mitten sat quiet while we protested against the remaining group of quasi conservatives campaigned, and the leftist media sat silent in capitulation because they wanted mitten as the opposition candidate.
The GOP played us like a fined tuned instrument. We've been had.
Has it ever ocurred to you that the "base" (as you call it) is really a very small minority of conservatives? That most conservatives are not "extremists" in any sense of the word? That "extremists" on either end of the political spectrum (or any other spectrum) are always a minority (and frequently a very tiny one)? And that maybe that's why they have so little impact on things and why this allegedly "very successful" forum has, at most, a dozen or so regular posters?
The other reason there may not be that many regular posters is that most people don't have that much time to persevorate on internet fora. Only us "private sector, job creating entrepreneurs" do.
Quote from: elmerfudd on April 20, 2012, 01:08:49 PM
Has it ever ocurred to you that the "base" (as you call it) is really a very small minority of conservatives? That most conservatives are not "extremists" in any sense of the word? That "extremists" on either end of the political spectrum (or any other spectrum) are always a minority (and frequently a very tiny one)? And that maybe that's why they have so little impact on things and why this allegedly "very successful" forum has, at most, a dozen or so regular posters?
The other reason there may not be that many regular posters is that most people don't have that much time to persevorate on internet fora. Only us "private sector, job creating entrepreneurs" do.
No, its the fact that you're a lib and haven't a clue about Conservative ideals.
Read and maybe you might get a clue.
Although a new Gallup poll shows Romney with a small lead matched against Obama -- indicating how close this election may ultimately become -- voters consistently appear to disapprove of the presumptive Republican nominee. As they have learned more about him over the past several years, his negative ratings have soared. Over the past five years, since he began to run for president, the latest Washington Post/ABC News poll shows that negative views of Romney have roughly doubled, from about 24 percent to 47 percent, while his positive ratings have lagged (only 12 percent express "strongly" positive feelings about him).
More important, Romney polls 21 points behind President Obama in public approval -- the worst rating for a likely presidential nominee in a Post/ABC poll since 1984. Indeed, he is the first to be "underwater," with higher negative than positive ratings, in the last eight presidential elections.
Vulnerable groups seem to find Romney particularly unappealing and unsympathetic, as the Post/ABC cross-tabulations suggest. Among voters with annual household incomes lower than $50,000, Obama leads by 29 points. Among the young, who now tend to be in debt, without jobs or both, Obama leads by 36 points. Among married women, Obama is ahead by 20 points. But among unmarried women, his lead grows to 45 points.
Obama's favorable score is 9 points higher than Romney's among married adults -- but this swells to a 37-point advantage among those who are not married. Romney and Obama are seen favorably by about equal numbers of married men, and Obama's unfavorable score is higher in this group. But he jumps to a 20-point higher favorable rating than Romney among married women, 25 points among unmarried men, and 45 points among unmarried women. Overall, Obama is seen not only as more likeable and friendly but as more understanding of the economic conditions faced by most Americans.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_joe_conason/what_mitt_romney_seems_to_believe_and_why_he_s_so_disliked (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_joe_conason/what_mitt_romney_seems_to_believe_and_why_he_s_so_disliked)
Quote from: Solar on April 20, 2012, 01:16:11 PM
No, its the fact that you're a lib and haven't a clue about Conservative ideals.
Read and maybe you might get a clue.
Although a new Gallup poll shows Romney with a small lead matched against Obama -- indicating how close this election may ultimately become -- voters consistently appear to disapprove of the presumptive Republican nominee. As they have learned more about him over the past several years, his negative ratings have soared. Over the past five years, since he began to run for president, the latest Washington Post/ABC News poll shows that negative views of Romney have roughly doubled, from about 24 percent to 47 percent, while his positive ratings have lagged (only 12 percent express "strongly" positive feelings about him).
More important, Romney polls 21 points behind President Obama in public approval -- the worst rating for a likely presidential nominee in a Post/ABC poll since 1984. Indeed, he is the first to be "underwater," with higher negative than positive ratings, in the last eight presidential elections.
Vulnerable groups seem to find Romney particularly unappealing and unsympathetic, as the Post/ABC cross-tabulations suggest. Among voters with annual household incomes lower than $50,000, Obama leads by 29 points. Among the young, who now tend to be in debt, without jobs or both, Obama leads by 36 points. Among married women, Obama is ahead by 20 points. But among unmarried women, his lead grows to 45 points.
Obama's favorable score is 9 points higher than Romney's among married adults -- but this swells to a 37-point advantage among those who are not married. Romney and Obama are seen favorably by about equal numbers of married men, and Obama's unfavorable score is higher in this group. But he jumps to a 20-point higher favorable rating than Romney among married women, 25 points among unmarried men, and 45 points among unmarried women. Overall, Obama is seen not only as more likeable and friendly but as more understanding of the economic conditions faced by most Americans.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_joe_conason/what_mitt_romney_seems_to_believe_and_why_he_s_so_disliked (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_joe_conason/what_mitt_romney_seems_to_believe_and_why_he_s_so_disliked)
So "true" conservatives do not support Romney, yet Romney kicked ass against all the "true" conservative candidates. I think I got it, now. "True" conservatives are either fewer in number than I thought or they're idiots.
I think, at this point, it's more important for the Republican Party to maintain the House and perhaps even win the Senate, than it is to win the Presidency. Sure, the socialist monkey will still be in power, but having Romney in the White House...well, I'm just not sold on him as a conservative. Having the majority of Congress to counter the socialist monkey will be important, as we all know he'll probably try to ram through every leftist policy he can think of.
I'm convinced that for America to truly return to better days, the TRUE change will have to come from within ourselves - not through any politicians.
Quote from: Jasmine on April 20, 2012, 01:27:14 PM
I'm convinced that for America to truly return to better days, the TRUE change will have to come from within ourselves - not through any politicians.
........or through 'powder and balls'
Quote from: elmerfudd on April 20, 2012, 01:25:43 PM
So "true" conservatives do not support Romney, yet Romney kicked ass against all the "true" conservative candidates. I think I got it, now. "True" conservatives are either fewer in number than I thought or they're idiots.
Thanks for finally admitting your lib/Zombie status.
Now go back and rad Reply #2 for your answer.
Quote from: Jasmine on April 20, 2012, 01:27:14 PM
I think, at this point, it's more important for the Republican Party to maintain the House and perhaps even win the Senate, than it is to win the Presidency. Sure, the socialist monkey will still be in power, but having Romney in the White House...well, I'm just not sold on him as a conservative. Having the majority of Congress to counter the socialist monkey will be important, as we all know he'll probably try to ram through every leftist policy he can think of.
I'm convinced that for America to truly return to better days, the TRUE change will have to come from within ourselves - not through any politicians.
I agree Jas, and good to have you back.
Quote from: Solar on April 20, 2012, 01:32:57 PM
Thanks for finally admitting your lib/Zombie status.
Now go back and rad Reply #2 for your answer.
I had already read reply number two. That's why I listed idiots as an option. Thanks for confirming it.
Quote from: elmerfudd on April 20, 2012, 01:34:27 PM
I had already read reply number two. That's why I listed idiots as an option. Thanks for confirming it.
I see, so people that believe in our Founding Documents are of subnormal intellect?
What does that say about you, a man with no American values whatsoever where our Forefathers are concerned?
I guess idiot as well as subversive.
Quote from: Solar on April 20, 2012, 01:40:58 PM
I see, so people that believe in our Founding Documents are of subnormal intellect?
What does that say about you, a man with no American values whatsoever where our Forefathers are concerned?
I guess idiot as well as subversive.
Wasn't talking about our forefathers. I was talking about your "article" to which you linked. Thomas Jefferson and George Washington would both consider someone with your mindset an embarassment.
Quote from: Jasmine on April 20, 2012, 01:27:14 PM
I think, at this point, it's more important for the Republican Party to maintain the House and perhaps even win the Senate, than it is to win the Presidency. Sure, the socialist monkey will still be in power, but having Romney in the White House...well, I'm just not sold on him as a conservative. Having the majority of Congress to counter the socialist monkey will be important, as we all know he'll probably try to ram through every leftist policy he can think of.
I'm convinced that for America to truly return to better days, the TRUE change will have to come from within ourselves - not through any politicians.
Right on the nail young lady. :thumbup:
Quote from: elmerfudd on April 20, 2012, 02:11:06 PM
Wasn't talking about our forefathers. I was talking about your "article" to which you linked. Thomas Jefferson and George Washington would both consider someone with your mindset an embarassment.
Awww but you did, by insulting those that hold these principals to be truth, you managed to show your very own ignorance regarding our Founding Principles.
I think the term
Subversive Liberal idiot fits you quite well.
The fact that not many Conservatives run for office does not mean the base is not more Conservative then moderate. It simply means that Conservatives do not run for office. In the past when we run moderate candidates we lose. That is not to say Romney will lose. in my opinion Republicans are more afraid of another Obama term than Romney's moderate streak. Romney may not be a down the line Conservative but he is not a raging Socialist with a chip on his shoulder about race, and wealth. What is going to happen is the same that has been happening for years. We keep a Democrat out of office but do not advance the Conservative agenda. Then again Romney may be a Conservative president, at least to a degree. For the simple fact that Conservative policies are the only way to avoid the country collapsing. In other words he would have little choice. of course a majority in both houses would make it much easier and attractive for him to be a Conservative president.
If Hussein wins we're doomed. Get ready to be called Greece junior.
I predict some sort of mass civil disobedience leading to a Govt crackdown leaidng to civil war.
Billy
Quote from: hokiewoodchuck on April 20, 2012, 11:39:26 AM
That's just one.......OMG! Find quillers post he must have a 100 pics, some good(local) some not so good(hildabeast clintoon)
Wasn't me posting the Cartagena hooker photos. Sorry.
Sorry Q...It was a pat on the back nonetheless.
Quote from: hokiewoodchuck on April 21, 2012, 03:32:23 AM
Sorry Q...It was a pat on the back nonetheless.
S'alright. Here's my newest.
(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages109.fotki.com%2Fv786%2Fphotos%2F1%2F1595431%2F10202012%2Fphoto-vi.png&hash=6cbcb319722fdd55f5c35cf8ab6f8c93d75b9731)
Quote from: Bad water BILLY on April 20, 2012, 07:28:51 PM
If Hussein wins we're doomed. Get ready to be called Greece junior.
I predict some sort of mass civil disobedience leading to a Govt crackdown leaidng to civil war.
Billy
Yep Billy, with numbers like this, its still a possibility.
When you take into account Hussein being the worst President in history, we still have much to be concerned about.
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll: Obama 47%, Romney 45%
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)
Looking forward to smelling burnt powder in the air......
Quote from: hokiewoodchuck on April 21, 2012, 09:32:41 AM
Looking forward to smelling burnt powder in the air......
Normally I poo poo the idea of a revolt, but under those circumstances, it only takes a spark to start a fire that would spread to the point that that gov would be unable to quell it.
The country really is on the edge of revolt.
President Thomas Jefferson even said...."The tree of Liberty must be replenished with the blood of tyrants and patriots alike."
Quote from: hokiewoodchuck on April 21, 2012, 10:08:49 AM
President Thomas Jefferson even said...."The tree of Liberty must be replenished with the blood of tyrants and patriots alike."
Tis true, a revolt is Constitutional.
I think we're all fed up with a "do nothing" Washington, period.
Does anything ever get done that's strictly for the betterment of the American people?
No! When our reps get to Washington, they learn quickly to look out for each other, protect their turf and to heck with everyone else.
We only see them acting like actual reps when voting time comes around again.
Both of my senators are never in the news, never do anything worthy of press, but you just let them run for re-election and they're all over the place, talking up their accomplishments as though they had any.
Even though I'm independent, I'm frustrated with the republicans that have let Obama actually commit treason and not a word is said. If I knew the answer to that, I probably wouldn't be so frustrated.
A few inquiries into a couple of things Obama or Holder have done, but never any closure on any of them. With the exception of a couple of guys, all republicans are a bunch of wussies...and old as dirt. They're going to have to die off before we're rid of them and get some young fighting blood in there.
Quote from: Holly on April 21, 2012, 11:32:53 AM
I think we're all fed up with a "do nothing" Washington, period.
Does anything ever get done that's strictly for the betterment of the American people?
No! When our reps get to Washington, they learn quickly to look out for each other, protect their turf and to heck with everyone else.
We only see them acting like actual reps when voting time comes around again.
Both of my senators are never in the news, never do anything worthy of press, but you just let them run for re-election and they're all over the place, talking up their accomplishments as though they had any.
Even though I'm independent, I'm frustrated with the republicans that have let Obama actually commit treason and not a word is said. If I knew the answer to that, I probably wouldn't be so frustrated.
A few inquiries into a couple of things Obama or Holder have done, but never any closure on any of them. With the exception of a couple of guys, all republicans are a bunch of wussies...and old as dirt. They're going to have to die off before we're rid of them and get some young fighting blood in there.
Couldn't agree more holly.
I keep my fingers crossed for a Nov route against liberalism.
Quote from: Solar on April 21, 2012, 09:48:47 AM
Normally I poo poo the idea of a revolt, but under those circumstances, it only takes a spark to start a fire that would spread to the point that that gov would be unable to quell it.
The country really is on the edge of revolt.
Wheter you "Poo Poo" the idea or not I see it as a reality beyond control....If Hussein gets re elcted I see another year (at most) then chaos first financially....If there are a majority of Pubs controlling congress, the guy is gonna rule by Xo....if his recent chiding of the supreme court is any indication.
I am a student of revolution, As I said before when you start taking things away from people, when they lose their jobs, their homes, their indpendance and freedom (that happens when they become totally dependant on the welfare state) they have nothing left to loose and its a matter of time before they start picking up rocks...or a gun.
Billy
Ruling by executive order is easy enough, until some Supreme Court finally decides how far those powers truly go in the face of Congressional and USSC opposition. If Obama didn't learn anything else from Marbury v Madison, it should be that he is not a dictator and the checks and balances are there for the nation's good, not his personal kingdom.
Dems are rightly scared to be tied to Obama's coat-tails this time out. The supposed big money is NOT coming out of Hollyweird like it used to: even Streisand won't sing for her Dear Leader, and the only way Obama can get $1,000 a handshake (his stated charge), he has to let them also get face-time with George Clooney.
That's bloom off the rose. The hard left is disenchanted, saying he's no better than Bush. The middle left (the Blue Dogs) got eaten in 2008. The Tea Party which the foreign press thinks is dormant has simply gained grass-roots offices. They're not dead, they're elected.
At the end of it is a ballot box, and the simple question. Are you better off in 2012 than you were in 2008? If not, why reelect a failure?
Quote from: quiller on April 21, 2012, 09:04:25 PM
At the end of it is a ballot box, and the simple question. Are you better off in 2012 than you were in 2008? If not, why reelect a failure?
The problem with that question is that not everyone is coming from your viewpoint. That is, you and I are working Americans. Or maybe someone had a job and lost it and are upset. Sure, then they'll look at the state of affairs of the country and vote against Obama.
But there are also a lot of people who have been placed in the permanent underclass by the liberals who don't care how the country is doing. Taxes got raised? So? They don't pay any. Food prices increased? So? They get food stamps. No jobs? So? They're on welfare. To them, you pose that question and they don't care. All they know is a Republican will take that stuff away from them. THAT is what scares THEM. Not the reverse. See?
Quote from: C-B-M on April 21, 2012, 09:10:52 PM
The problem with that question is that not everyone is coming from your viewpoint. That is, you and I are working Americans. Or maybe someone had a job and lost it and are upset. Sure, then they'll look at the state of affairs of the country and vote against Obama.
But there are also a lot of people who have been placed in the permanent underclass by the liberals who don't care how the country is doing. Taxes got raised? So? They don't pay any. Food prices increased? So? They get food stamps. No jobs? So? They're on welfare. To them, you pose that question and they don't care. All they know is a Republican will take that stuff away from them. THAT is what scares THEM. Not the reverse. See?
Vote your fear. Dems threaten Social Security without fail. This time it will be a direct appeal to the real parasites using food stamps in dorm rooms paid for by loans these kids can't afford unless Big Gummint pays their way.
This time the older voters are energized.
This rat bastard commie actually MEANS it. He wants the old folks dead so the have-nots can survive one more day on anyone else's dime.
Quote from: quiller on April 21, 2012, 09:33:51 PM
Vote your fear. Dems threaten Social Security without fail. This time it will be a direct appeal to the real parasites using food stamps in dorm rooms paid for by loans these kids can't afford unless Big Gummint pays their way.
This time the older voters are energized. This rat bastard commie actually MEANS it. He wants the old folks dead so the have-nots can survive one more day on anyone else's dime.
Your prose sounds a lot like the stuff coming out of North Korea. They use the word "rat" a lot, too.
You mean that since he used the word "rat" in his post that makes him a North Korean? Seriously, you need to try harder, dude. Plus, if he was a North Korean, you'd probably love him in a totally gay way.
Quote from: C-B-M on April 23, 2012, 05:09:28 PM
You mean that since he used the word "rat" in his post that makes him a North Korean? Seriously, you need to try harder, dude. Plus, if he was a North Korean, you'd probably love him in a totally gay way.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: elmerfudd on April 23, 2012, 04:49:48 PM
Your prose sounds a lot like the stuff coming out of North Korea. They use the word "rat" a lot, too.
You cannot spell DEMOCRAT without it. Their ideas come from places like North Korea.