I've seen polls that show Coons over O'Donnell around 54 to 37 and polls that show Castle over Coons at roughly the same numbers. That begs the question, if Mike Castle runs the how wil it affect the race. I think it's fairly obvious that at least a third of Coons current support would prefer Castle. These are most likely independents and liberal Republicans. But how much would he take from O'Donnell?
Without knowing the details it would week plausible that Castle might win or might even throw the race to O'Donnell by taking more votes from Coons.
I tend to agree, I don't think it will hurt O'Donnel in the least.
Those that voted for Castle in the past, did so only because the GOP had nothing better to offer, but now the Conservatives have someone they really want, while the libs that voted for Castle, would never have voted for Odonnel anyway.
So like you said, it will only siphon off lib voters, not Conservatives.
And since it's a write in candidacy on Castle's part, I believe the chances of success are very low for him. The real question is how many supporters will O'Donnell lose as opposed to Coons. Coons is way more dependent on registered independents so I believe he would take the bigger hit, but I suppose there is only one way to know for sure.
True Castle is not going to hurt O'Donnel in this which is what coons was hoping for Castle is a Republican in name only and the voters in deleware know it. The biggest thing is the backlash against these elites who seem to belive they are destined to stay in power despite the voters we've seen it now three times this cycle the funny thing is all will lose in landslides and pull the dems down with them. the American people are not stupid and the arrogance from the elites is starting to reek to the american voter.
I agree. Murkowski and Crist have ended their political careers with their selfish attempts to hold onto power at any cost. And liberal Republicans will never again be able to tell us to swallow our beliefs for the good of the party since they obviously aren't willing to return the favor.
Quote from: Dan on September 25, 2010, 11:01:31 AM
I agree. Murkowski and Crist have ended their political careers with their selfish attempts to hold onto power at any cost. And liberal Republicans will never again be able to tell us to swallow our beliefs for the good of the party since they obviously aren't willing to return the favor.
I agree this is utterly selfish and dumb on their part...the people told them we dont want you and they obviously cant accept that...Crist is a fraud and his career being over is sweet.
Im not so sure that castle wont hurt Odonnel some in del...shes in trouble as it stands without castle siphoning a single vote from her..
Yeah Zip. But my original point is saying I think Coons could lose up to a third of his support to Castle. That would put him right there with O'Donnell in the high 30s.
The Castle voters would be the only write-ins for Castle, and I don't think they would vote for O'Donnell anyway, so I don't think she "loses" those. It really is with the independent/swing votes, and they should close in. I remember Hoffman being pretty far behind in the NY-23rd, and Scott Brown was pretty far back until the end, as I recall.
Plus, I don't think even that many Castle supporters are too zealous for Castle, and many will come to their senses and not expend the energy.
Quote from: Dan on September 25, 2010, 11:45:37 AM
Yeah Zip. But my original point is saying I think Coons could lose up to a third of his support to Castle. That would put him right there with O'Donnell in the high 30s.
That would be a godsend for us
It's her best chance of winning Attila point. How's that for irony for you? The Republican needs the disloyalty of a turncoat to have her best chance of winning.
Nobody knows how it will or would effect the Delaware race. All I know is that I hate sore losers. Castle will be a spoiler if he runs. Hmmm, will the RINOs vote for O'Donnell? Should they? Do the conservatives want them to vote for O'Donnell or are they going to diss them throughout the rest of the campaign?
Conservatives dissimg the rinos? Really? I promise you that the very moment they stop acting like hypocritical jackasses, then we will stop calling them hypocritical jackasses. This situation isn't what we want and it's certainly not of our choosing and I guarantee you that if the shoe was on the other foot then they would be saying far worse things about us.
How are the so-called RINOs acting like jackasses? Is it just because you don't agree with them? I'm a RINO, and I don't see myself as acting like a jackassette. Of course, maybe I'm too close to the source.
It seems to me that the republicans, both conservative and so-called RINOs, should be dissing the dems instead of each other. But, as I've said before, the republicans have the gift of shooting themselves in the foot and blowing elections and giving them to the dems. Then the conservatives sit back and say, "We told you we could do that." I can only assume that they then smugly and proudly watch the nation go into the toilet.
Quote from: crepe05 on September 27, 2010, 03:33:32 AM
How are the so-called RINOs acting like jackasses? Is it just because you don't agree with them? I'm a RINO, and I don't see myself as acting like a jackassette. Of course, maybe I'm too close to the source.
It seems to me that the republicans, both conservative and so-called RINOs, should be dissing the dems instead of each other. But, as I've said before, the republicans have the gift of shooting themselves in the foot and blowing elections and giving them to the dems. Then the conservatives sit back and say, "We told you we could do that." I can only assume that they then smugly and proudly watch the nation go into the toilet.
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Crepe, I'm curious, what is your idea of a RINO and a Conservative?
Quote from: crepe05 on September 27, 2010, 03:33:32 AM
How are the so-called RINOs acting like jackasses? Is it just because you don't agree with them? I'm a RINO, and I don't see myself as acting like a jackassette. Of course, maybe I'm too close to the source.
It seems to me that the republicans, both conservative and so-called RINOs, should be dissing the dems instead of each other. But, as I've said before, the republicans have the gift of shooting themselves in the foot and blowing elections and giving them to the dems. Then the conservatives sit back and say, "We told you we could do that." I can only assume that they then smugly and proudly watch the nation go into the toilet.
How are RINOs acting like jackasses? Let me count the ways.
They are attacking tea party candidates who legitimately won their primaries such as O'Donnell, Angle, Paladino, Miller, etc. Name one establishment Republican who won their primary that is being personally attacked by Tea Party folk.
They are running as independents against conservatives who legitimately won the Republican primaries. Crist, Murkowski and possibly Castle.
They are not lining up behind the tea party guys with their organizations, energy or money to help defeat the democrats. In short, they are not doing any of the things they demand we do when they win. That's why they are hypocritical.
Crepe05, I don't know you or your politics. If you want to describe yourself as a RINO then fine. And if you see yourself in any of the characterizations that I mentioned above then lets talk about it. If not, then we probably have a misunderstanding on our hands. ;)
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 07:11:18 AM
They are running as independents against conservatives who legitimately won the Republican primaries. Crist, Murkowski and possibly Castle.
They are not lining up behind the tea party guys with their organizations, energy or money to help defeat the democrats. In short, they are not doing any of the things they demand we do when they win. That's why they are hypocritical.
Crepe05, I don't know you or your politics. If you want to describe yourself as a RINO then fine. And if you see yourself in any of the characterizations that I mentioned above then lets talk about it. If not, then we probably have a misunderstanding on our hands. ;)
I don't think she truly understands the meaning of RINO.
It's early for me, so would you care to list a few RINO moves, such as voting for TARP or backing Cap and Trade.
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 07:20:20 AM
I don't think she truly understands the meaning of RINO.
It's early for me, so would you care to list a few RINO moves, such as voting for TARP or backing Cap and Trade.
Good idea. I'm going to start a thread titled "So you might be a RINO". That will give our forum a chance to define the term. ;)
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 07:28:14 AM
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 07:20:20 AM
I don't think she truly understands the meaning of RINO.
It's early for me, so would you care to list a few RINO moves, such as voting for TARP or backing Cap and Trade.
Good idea. I'm going to start a thread titled "So you might be a RINO". That will give our forum a chance to define the term. ;)
;D ;D ;D
Not to mention, very entertaining.
"You might be a RINO, if" - you portray yourself a a fiscal Conservative, only to stand with the left in voting for the GMC bailout.
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 06:10:12 AM
Quote from: crepe05 on September 27, 2010, 03:33:32 AM
How are the so-called RINOs acting like jackasses? Is it just because you don't agree with them? I'm a RINO, and I don't see myself as acting like a jackassette. Of course, maybe I'm too close to the source.
It seems to me that the republicans, both conservative and so-called RINOs, should be dissing the dems instead of each other. But, as I've said before, the republicans have the gift of shooting themselves in the foot and blowing elections and giving them to the dems. Then the conservatives sit back and say, "We told you we could do that." I can only assume that they then smugly and proudly watch the nation go into the toilet.
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Crepe, I'm curious, what is your idea of a RINO and a Conservative?
I'm considered to be a RINO, so I'll tell you how I see myself. Basically, I'm fiscally conservative. That part of me is very conservative. I'm a bit less conservative on social issues. I don't believe in abortion but think it should be legal if the pregnancy will kill the mom-to-be. Otherwise, live with the fact that you're pregnant, have the baby, and give it up for adoption if you don't want to raise it yourself.
I don't believe in gay marriage but I I don't have a problem with gay relationships. I don't think that "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" should be dropped in the middle of a war, but I think that eventually gays should be able to serve in the military openly. It seems to work in other nations.
I'm a Christian, I like going to church, I find solace in God, and I'm sorry others don't. I don't believe that I need to get worried a whole lot if someone doesn't believe in Jesus. God's going to sort all that out after we die. I have enough of a problem keeping keeping my faith strong that I don't have the energy to get in smeone elses faith or lack thereeof. Ill find out so much at that point. As an older friend of mine said a few months before he died, "I have so many questions to ask God when I meet up with Him."
Quote from: crepe05 on September 27, 2010, 08:22:02 AM
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 06:10:12 AM
Quote from: crepe05 on September 27, 2010, 03:33:32 AM
How are the so-called RINOs acting like jackasses? Is it just because you don't agree with them? I'm a RINO, and I don't see myself as acting like a jackassette. Of course, maybe I'm too close to the source.
It seems to me that the republicans, both conservative and so-called RINOs, should be dissing the dems instead of each other. But, as I've said before, the republicans have the gift of shooting themselves in the foot and blowing elections and giving them to the dems. Then the conservatives sit back and say, "We told you we could do that." I can only assume that they then smugly and proudly watch the nation go into the toilet.
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Crepe, I'm curious, what is your idea of a RINO and a Conservative?
I'm considered to be a RINO, so I'll tell you how I see myself. Basically, I'm fiscally conservative. That part of me is very conservative. I'm a bit less conservative on social issues. I don't believe in abortion but think it should be legal if the pregnancy will kill the mom-to-be. Otherwise, live with the fact that you're pregnant, have the baby, and give it up for adoption if you don't want to raise it yourself.
I don't believe in gay marriage but I I don't have a problem with gay relationships. I don't think that "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" should be dropped in the middle of a war, but I think that eventually gays should be able to serve in the military openly. It seems to work in other nations.
I'm a Christian, I like going to church, I find solace in God, and I'm sorry others don't. I don't believe that I need to get worried a whole lot if someone doesn't believe in Jesus. God's going to sort all that out after we die. I have enough of a problem keeping keeping my faith strong that I don't have the energy to get in smeone elses faith or lack thereeof. Ill find out so much at that point. As an older friend of mine said a few months before he died, "I have so many questions to ask God when I meet up with Him."
Then you're not a RINO, but a pragmatic Conservative.
Crepe05, I'm confused about why you see yourself as a RINO. I don't understand how the term fits you.
You are a fiscal conservative. You are a person of faith. You only believe in abortion in limited circumstances that most people allow for such as rape, incest or a threat to the life of the mother. Those are all pretty easy positions to fit within the conservative wing of the party.
So you don't have a problem with gay soldiers serving in the military? Big deal. Many conservatives are right there with you so long as it is done with the buy in of the military leadership and not imposed upon them by an activist congress.
So what are your liberal positions? Are you a cap and trade supporter? Do you have leftwing views on tax policy. Where are you not a conservative? I'm having trouble seeing it for myself.