How an Outsider President Killed a Party
The Whigs chose power over principles when they nominated Zachary Taylor in 1848. The party never recovered.
By Gil Troy


Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/history-campaign-politics-zachary-taylor-killed-whigs-political-party-213935#ixzz4AZNrFsDV


Will Trump do the same for the pubs? Could be.

Quote from: tac on June 03, 2016, 06:27:08 PM
How an Outsider President Killed a Party
The Whigs chose power over principles when they nominated Zachary Taylor in 1848. The party never recovered.
By Gil Troy


Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/history-campaign-politics-zachary-taylor-killed-whigs-political-party-213935#ixzz4AZNrFsDV

Will Trump do the same for the pubs? Could be.

Now THAT is a pretty good read!  Thanks!

Quoteas a nonpartisan outsider, Taylor proved particularly unsuited to manage these internal party battles once elected.

Most dispiriting, Taylor, who made no pledges and had no principles, gave rank-and-file Whig voters nothing to champion, while alienating many of the most committed loyalists. In The Rise and Fall of the American Whig Party, the historian Michael Holt notes that Taylor's victory triggered an "internal struggle for the soul of the Whig party": was it more committed to seizing power or upholding principle? Underlying that debate was also a deeper question, still pressing today, about the role of fame, popularity, celebrity, in presidential campaigning—and American political leadership.

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Republicans might want to consider what is worse: the institutional problems mass defections by "Conscience Republicans" could bring about—or the moral ruin that could come from the ones who stay behind, choosing to pursue party power over principles.

Buckle up, it's happened before, and I'll bet it was quite contentious, here we go again....  Please just stick to your principles, and don't follow the Republican Party off-the-cliff.

LOL!!!

QuoteParty had just chosen an inexperienced, unqualified, loutish, wealthy outsider with ambiguous party loyalties to be its presidential nominee. Some party luminaries thought he would help them win the general election. But many of the faithful were furious and mystified: How could their party  to such a degree?

"How could the party compromise its ideals?" Like then, and today, neither party had or has principles of Conservatism, to date, no party has ever represented Conservative Principles.

Quote( Zachary Taylor stern, undisciplined slob)

Man, the author definitely knows Trump.

Here we see history repeating itself in the quote below.

QuoteDemocrats and the Reps. Whigs—started holding public celebrations lauding Trump Taylor

More historical repetition.

QuoteDespite all this talk of staying away from one party or another, Trump Taylor began inching toward the GOP Whig Party, and the Whigs inched closer to him.

QuoteTrump's Taylor's ambiguous status as a employer of Illegals slaveholder who dodged questions about the escalating Illegals slavery debate seemed to be a clever choice for a party increasingly divided over the Establishments mass support for illegals with the Gang of Eight South's mass enslavement of blacks.

Reading through this, is akin to a comparative window in time, in that the Marxists, the other party overwhelmingly supports our so called candidate today, and just like 150 years ago, and we all know they didn't support him for the good of the country, they did it because they knew it would tear the party apart, and it succeeded very well.

What the Marxists fail to grasp, is they are actually fueling their own demise, considering they are more despised then the GOP.
Conservatives will prevail, the Dims aill not...

If the republican party can't get behind Trump and do the best that they can for our country then the party should die.  Trump got a record number of votes from the people................

Quote from: Iron River on July 17, 2016, 06:25:16 AM
If the republican party can't get behind Trump and do the best that they can for our country then the party should die.  Trump got a record number of votes from the people................

Idiot lib. I see no reason to continue giving you a soap box from which to throw your feces in an on going ignorant tirade for a leftist in the GOP.
Say good night Sarah, your time is up.

Quote from: Iron River on July 17, 2016, 06:25:16 AM
If the republican party can't get behind Trump and do the best that they can for our country then the party should die.  Trump got a record number of votes from the people................

Do yourself a favor, click, read and learn something.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/history-campaign-politics-zachary-taylor-killed-whigs-political-party-213935#ixzz4AZNrFsDV

History is about to repeat, again.  Not kidding, an unnecessary major nation-wide event followed shortly afterward.  It is NOT about Trump, nor the GOP - no, look how the stage is being set (by either Hillary or Donald).

Quote from: Hoofer on July 17, 2016, 07:10:53 AM
Do yourself a favor, click, read and learn something.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/history-campaign-politics-zachary-taylor-killed-whigs-political-party-213935#ixzz4AZNrFsDV

History is about to repeat, again.  Not kidding, an unnecessary major nation-wide event followed shortly afterward.  It is NOT about Trump, nor the GOP - no, look how the stage is being set (by either Hillary or Donald).

Two things, one he's a lib void of historical context that hates the Founders because they were white like him, (Liberal Guilt) and two, I booted his worthless ass.

But isn't it amazing the similarities, correlation between the two men 150 years apart, both part of an event that destroyed their respective party's?
The one thing I found fascinating, was the opposing party's involvement, in both cases the truth is exposed as to just how involved the other party was with the failing one, or rather, just how much control and influence leftists had on both occasions.

Folks if you haven't read it, please do, it's concise and exposes just how much trouble we're in, good or bad, history is repeating itself.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/history-campaign-politics-zachary-taylor-killed-whigs-political-party-213935#ixzz4AZNrFsDV

The republican party might be killed, but not for the reason stated by iron river. The GOP has been on a downward spiral for decades. It use to be right leaning but over the past few decades has moved left, while the democrats have moved on to democratic socialism. Given a few more decades, the GOP will join them.

I see no reason to support Trump just because he put an R after his name. If he were a Conservative he'd probably have my support. But he isn't and he will never have my support.

Quote from: tac on July 17, 2016, 07:34:16 AM
The republican party might be killed, but not for the reason stated by iron river. The GOP has been on a downward spiral for decades. It use to be right leaning but over the past few decades has moved left, while the democrats have moved on to democratic socialism. Given a few more decades, the GOP will join them.

I see no reason to support Trump just because he put an R after his name. If he were a Conservative he'd probably have my support. But he isn't and he will never have my support.

That's what so many fail to understand, it's not so much Trump, but a party that gave a lib a shot over a Constitutional Conservative.
That alone is reason to kill off what is currently the GOP, and resurrect under the conservative banner.

Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2016, 07:38:27 AM
That's what so many fail to understand, it's not so much Trump, but a party that gave a lib a shot over a Constitutional Conservative.
That alone is reason to kill off what is currently the GOP, and resurrect under the conservative banner.

My problem is that the conservative banner is now being stomped to death by so called conservatives. It is mind numbing to see them supporting a self proclaimed liberal that changes his mind every time he open his mouth.

Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2016, 07:38:27 AM
That's what so many fail to understand, it's not so much Trump, but a party that gave a lib a shot over a Constitutional Conservative.
That alone is reason to kill off what is currently the GOP, and resurrect under the conservative banner.

Don't be so eager to hook the monster up to those same old coils, waiting for a second big bolt of lightning. No, Igor, anything but that! 

Quote from: quiller on July 17, 2016, 07:56:33 AM
Don't be so eager to hook the monster up to those same old coils, waiting for a second big bolt of lightning. No, Igor, anything but that! 

Think Chemotherapy (clinically dead, noun). Essentially the body is killed off during the process, only to be resurrected after the cancer Establishment is killed.

Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2016, 07:38:27 AM
That's what so many fail to understand, it's not so much Trump, but a party that gave a lib a shot over a Constitutional Conservative.
That alone is reason to kill off what is currently the GOP, and resurrect under the conservative banner.

Agreed, I see it even bigger than that, and Zachary Taylor's helped stoke the fire and set the stage for the Civil War.  I surmise he's more responsible for taking the country PAST the tipping point of using legislation to resolve the Slavery issue and leave Civil War as the only possible solution.  A complete populist fraud, a blank slate which allowed anyone's personal viewpoint to have merit. 

We have the same thing in Donald Trump, quite literally grab onto any statement you wish, 'cause he's covering ALL the bases & possible positions!  I like building the wall & Mexico paying for it - then became "touchback" - then became outright amnesty (why waste the money on a wall?)  Pick a position, door number 1, 2, or 3!   Sorry, there's nothing behind any of them, the choice was "Donald" not a door.   When the electorate IMAGINED Taylor would do - support their cause, whatever they imagined, really was Civil War.   We had a Republican party that stank, "hold your nose and vote" - now we can see the turds have risen to the top!

Questioning myself, "Am I hanging onto the Republican party for nostalgia?  'Cause we don't have much in common anymore!"   Proof provided by Donald Trump wooing the Socialists via Bernie Sanders, trying to steal support from Hillary!???

Just where are we going to be in 20-30 years?  A second Civil War over property rights?  Freedom of Speech?

All rise, be silent, raise your right hand in salute - President ---------- is about to enter the WH.
Nothing happens in a vacuum, in this case, the vacuum is sucking up our rights as American Citizens.

This is a MUST read.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/history-campaign-politics-zachary-taylor-killed-whigs-political-party-213935#ixzz4AZNrFsDV

Put it in the timeline of America - the prospects are chilling.

Quote from: Hoofer on July 17, 2016, 08:42:53 AM
Agreed, I see it even bigger than that, and Zachary Taylor's helped stoke the fire and set the stage for the Civil War.  I surmise he's more responsible for taking the country PAST the tipping point of using legislation to resolve the Slavery issue and leave Civil War as the only possible solution.  A complete populist fraud, a blank slate which allowed anyone's personal viewpoint to have merit. 

We have the same thing in Donald Trump, quite literally grab onto any statement you wish, 'cause he's covering ALL the bases & possible positions!  I like building the wall & Mexico paying for it - then became "touchback" - then became outright amnesty (why waste the money on a wall?)  Pick a position, door number 1, 2, or 3!   Sorry, there's nothing behind any of them, the choice was "Donald" not a door.   When the electorate IMAGINED Taylor would do - support their cause, whatever they imagined, really was Civil War.   We had a Republican party that stank, "hold your nose and vote" - now we can see the turds have risen to the top!

Questioning myself, "Am I hanging onto the Republican party for nostalgia?  'Cause we don't have much in common anymore!"   Proof provided by Donald Trump wooing the Socialists via Bernie Sanders, trying to steal support from Hillary!???

Just where are we going to be in 20-30 years?  A second Civil War over property rights?  Freedom of Speech?

All rise, be silent, raise your right hand in salute - President ---------- is about to enter the WH.
Nothing happens in a vacuum, in this case, the vacuum is sucking up our rights as American Citizens.

This is a MUST read.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/history-campaign-politics-zachary-taylor-killed-whigs-political-party-213935#ixzz4AZNrFsDV

Put it in the timeline of America - the prospects are chilling.

Thirty years will be too late for rebellion, we are teetering on a Civil War within the next five years I'm afraid...
Good or bad, a cleansing is absolutely necessary.

Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2016, 08:52:30 AM
Thirty years will be too late for rebellion, we are teetering on a Civil War within the next five years I'm afraid...
Good or bad, a cleansing is absolutely necessary.

I prefer the "vote the bastards out" method over Civil War - We almost got over that hump with Ted Cruz, my fear is the course of the nation for the next quarter century is about to be determined.  Either Trump or Hillary will set the same stage, other than gender, is there a difference in either?  Oh, they'll leave their "mark" on society and history will remember them (poorly).