Although Donald Trump has signed a pledge to support the Republican Party's nominee, that doesn't mean the party's establishment will support him, should he win the GOP presidential nod.
A report by the Hill suggests the big money Republican donors are actually looking to support Hillary Clinton for commander in chief if Trump is at the top of the GOP ticket. Yes, the Democrat Hillary Clinton could be getting millions of dollars from Republicans.
The website says: "In conversations over the past month, GOP establishment donors have confided to the Hill that for the first time in recent memory, they find themselves contemplating not supporting a Republican nominee for president."
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/gop-establishment-to-back-hillary-if-trump-nominee/#oJHWOEv1l0pbS4tp.99
Truth is, both party's vie for the same donor class cash, and this donor class has absolutely no respect for this nation, which is why the GOP'e has allowed the country to slide leftist.
They were willing to sellout the base for personal gain, it's also the reason this slimy group in both party's will suffer a serious voter backlash come 2016.
Politics as usual has always been driven by the donor class, where voting for either party still took us further left.
Quote from: Solar on November 29, 2015, 02:11:36 PM
Truth is, both party's vie for the same donor class cash, and this donor class has absolutely no respect for this nation, which is why the GOP'e has allowed the country to slide leftist.
They were willing to sellout the base for personal gain, it's also the reason this slimy group in both party's will suffer a serious voter backlash come 2016.
Politics as usual has always been driven by the donor class, where voting for either party still took us further left.
I fail to understand how people with this kind of money have absolutely no sense of fiscal integrity. They are willing to saddle their grandkids with an unimaginable national debt or even worse, economic collapse. Where is their logic?
They act like our national debt is inconsequential. I suppose they are foolishly anticipating that inflation will reduce the consequences of the debt! With that kind of inflation we will all be in the poor house..... which is a tenet of liberalism.
The republicans begged, pleaded, and got on their hands and knees praying the conversatives would get out and vote for the senate, the house, and Romney. We did that now here is our pay back.
Quote from: kroz on November 29, 2015, 02:18:12 PM
I fail to understand how people with this kind of money have absolutely no sense of fiscal integrity. They are willing to saddle their grandkids with an unimaginable national debt or even worse, economic collapse. Where is their logic?
They act like our national debt is inconsequential. I suppose they are foolishly anticipating that inflation will reduce the consequences of the debt! With that kind of inflation we will all be in the poor house..... which is a tenet of liberalism.
You answered it yourself. The donor class has always been leftist, it's why the country is in the mess it's in.
The communist plan has always been to seize one, or both political party's, and since Dims were greedier and lacking scruples, they fell first, and over the last 30 years, the donor class was able to get actual leftist sympathizers elected to leadership positions in the GOP, essentially taking over the party, anyway, almost, but it explains why the GOP'e did everything possible to help the Marxist achieve his agenda.
Thank God all that is about to change.
Quote from: kroz on November 29, 2015, 02:18:12 PM
I fail to understand how people with this kind of money have absolutely no sense of fiscal integrity.
That's because the Hill's report isn't true.
'They'... are going to back a cackling idiot??
A story that circulated after the lunch was that the donors engaged in a hypothetical question: "If it was Donald Trump running against Hillary Clinton, who would you vote for?"
One version has it that most of the Republicans at the table put their hands up for Clinton.
Schnabel disputes that account and said in a telephone interview Tuesday that it was just banter among friends and that he is confident that all the Republicans at the table would support the final GOP nominee for president, whomever that turns out to be.
Schnabel called back later on Tuesday afternoon to clarify what he meant. "My only caveat would be that ... I assume that the Republican we'll nominate will be somebody that would make a great president," he said. "That's not a conversation we've had to have in the past, but obviously there are some we would be concerned about."There were only 4 guys (donors) among those at the table, all from Southern California. Combined, they've only gave 2.7-mill in the past. That's only 500-grand apiece.
A fair headline would be: Some SoCal Donors Wrestle With The Possibility Of A Trump Nomination. -Not
GOP Donors Wrestle... etc., etc.... Why would Dem-donors be wrestling about Trump?... as my Journalism-prof would ask if I submitted the Hill's headline to that story.
These guys never heard of a 'brokered' Convention, I'm guessing.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/261227-gop-donors-wrestle-with-possibility-of-trump-nomination
My response on Discuss.
I say false flag. Truth is, neither Carson nor Trump have a shot, Carson's numbers continue to plummet, Trump essentially peaked and is beginning to fall.
So why lie about a Winn introduction by the Establishment, nothing a simple phone call Carson's team easily could have made?
Fact is, the Establishment is trying to prop up a Trump ticket via threat of an alternative and Carson was always a RINO plant, because simply put, they're scared to death of Cruz.
Jeb is dead, Rubio has statistically flat-lined since he entered the race and none of the others even rate on a scale of ripples on a pond, yet they pretend Cruz is nonexistent?
That Right there exposes the fraud behind this piece and the fear the Establishment has for Cruz.
And no, Trump was never even their 3rd choice, but they'd settle any day for a Trump over an anti-establishment candidate like Cruz.
Folks, this is the same tactic the Establishment has used for decades. Vote for our guy, because your only other option is a Dim, and truth is, no one fears the Dim party since it committed suicide under a Marxist, so what options were left to the Establishment?
They needed another threat, so they created the illusion that Trump scares them, when in truth, it's Cruz that threatens their power.
Aside from Cruz and Trump, every candidate running took their orders from the Establishment GOP.
Trump and Cruz pose the biggest threat, and between the two, Trump would more than likely play ball, so to give the illusion they hate Trump, they're attempting to boost his numbers using reverse psychology.
As convoluted as that sounds, believe me, Rove is a master where marionettes are concerned.
Yeah, he sees the base as puppets.
Quote from: kit saginaw on November 29, 2015, 03:41:07 PM
That's because the Hill's report isn't true.
'They'... are going to back a cackling idiot??
A story that circulated after the lunch was that the donors engaged in a hypothetical question: "If it was Donald Trump running against Hillary Clinton, who would you vote for?"
One version has it that most of the Republicans at the table put their hands up for Clinton.
Schnabel disputes that account and said in a telephone interview Tuesday that it was just banter among friends and that he is confident that all the Republicans at the table would support the final GOP nominee for president, whomever that turns out to be.
Schnabel called back later on Tuesday afternoon to clarify what he meant. "My only caveat would be that ... I assume that the Republican we'll nominate will be somebody that would make a great president," he said. "That's not a conversation we've had to have in the past, but obviously there are some we would be concerned about."
There were only 4 guys (donors) among those at the table, all from Southern California. Combined, they've only gave 2.7-mill in the past. That's only 500-grand apiece.
A fair headline would be: Some SoCal Donors Wrestle With The Possibility Of A Trump Nomination. -Not GOP Donors Wrestle... etc., etc.... Why would Dem-donors be wrestling about Trump?... as my Journalism-prof would ask if I submitted the Hill's headline to that story.
These guys never heard of a 'brokered' Convention, I'm guessing.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/261227-gop-donors-wrestle-with-possibility-of-trump-nomination
I realize it was a handful of guys but I don't believe it was totally in jest.
Their caveat was that they didn't think Trump or Carson would win the nomination.
They STILL were not willing to say they would support Trump. They didn't expect their meeting to become public information. It was a weak attempt to walk back what took place.
And even though there were only four of them, they are probably a microcosm of the mega donors at large. NONE of them like Trump and his nomination would be hard to swallow .... if not impossible.
Assuming that this is true, no one should be surprised.
Recall that in 1964, the cabal of Rockefeller, Scranton, Romney, Richardson and Cahill,; old bull NE progressive lefties all; not only refused to support Barry Goldwater but actively campaigned against him, emboldening the Democrats. Since McKinley, the GOP has nominated 28 for POTUS of which only 3 were principled conservatives. Republicanism and Conservatism have been total strangers if not outright antagonists since day 1.
Quote from: kroz on November 29, 2015, 02:18:12 PM
I fail to understand how people with this kind of money have absolutely no sense of fiscal integrity. They are willing to saddle their grandkids with an unimaginable national debt or even worse, economic collapse. Where is their logic?
They act like our national debt is inconsequential. I suppose they are foolishly anticipating that inflation will reduce the consequences of the debt! With that kind of inflation we will all be in the poor house..... which is a tenet of liberalism.
Will be? Don't know about you but I already am in the poor house. Thank God however, poor in America is still boat loads better than "poor" anywhere else in the world. :lol:
That said, this is just yet further proof that it's time for Conservatives to either take absolute control of the GOP, or form their own party and let the GOP go the way of wigs and torries.
Quote from: daidalos on November 29, 2015, 04:44:10 PMThat said, this is just yet further proof that it's time for Conservatives to either take absolute control of the GOP, or form their own party and let the GOP go the way of wigs and torries.
A two party system will never please everyone. I hear these same arguments every year. If so and so wins the primary, I'm not voting. I happen to feel that way myself about Trump. I said the same thing about McCain too. In fact, the only reason I voted that year was because Palin got in there.
Quote from: Dori on November 29, 2015, 06:00:45 PM
A two party system will never please everyone. I hear these same arguments every year. If so and so wins the primary, I'm not voting. I happen to feel that way myself about Trump. I said the same thing about McCain too. In fact, the only reason I voted that year was because Palin got in there.
Bingo!!! I hated Johnny with a passion, but Palin made it possible.
Quote from: Dori on November 29, 2015, 06:00:45 PM
A two party system will never please everyone. I hear these same arguments every year. If so and so wins the primary, I'm not voting. I happen to feel that way myself about Trump. I said the same thing about McCain too. In fact, the only reason I voted that year was because Palin got in there.
The U.S. does not, nor was it ever intended to have, a bi-cameral system such as that. This "two party system" stuff we hear about all the time, is the biggest scam certain elitist's ever perpetuated on the American people. And their scam has gotten so bad, that now today, one party is virtually indistinguishable from the other. Unless one chooses to be willfully ignorant of what's going on in our nation.
Quote from: Walter Josh on November 29, 2015, 04:41:21 PM
Assuming that this is true, no one should be surprised.
Recall that in 1964, the cabal of Rockefeller, Scranton, Romney, Richardson and Cahill,; old bull NE progressive lefties all; not only refused to support Barry Goldwater but actively campaigned against him, emboldening the Democrats.
You can't keep that fact propped-up in 2016. The hypothetical Democrat-alternative is a bottom-bucket hack. The 1964 Clinton-equivalent would be Repubs switching from Goldwater to Bobby Baker.
Quote from: Dori on November 29, 2015, 06:00:45 PM
A two party system will never please everyone. I hear these same arguments every year. If so and so wins the primary, I'm not voting. I happen to feel that way myself about Trump. I said the same thing about McCain too. In fact, the only reason I voted that year was because Palin got in there.
Even if the RINO's all dropped out except for one and they put all their support behind the one I still think they would have trouble beating Cruz or Trump! With that said, this country cannot stand another 4 years of liberal rule. no one on that stage is as bad as what the dim's are running. It is going to be a fast primary this year and a really heated convention. The only thing that will keep me home in November is if the RINO's steal the convention against the will of the republican voters. They had better keep it honest or it will be the death of the party!
Quote from: redbeard on November 30, 2015, 03:14:51 PM
Even if the RINO's all dropped out except for one and they put all their support behind the one I still think they would have trouble beating Cruz or Trump! With that said, this country cannot stand another 4 years of liberal rule. no one on that stage is as bad as what the dim's are running. It is going to be a fast primary this year and a really heated convention. The only thing that will keep me home in November is if the RINO's steal the convention against the will of the republican voters. They had better keep it honest or it will be the death of the party!
You are very right about that.
There would be a near revolt if the Convention produced a RINO against our will!!!