Quote from: midcan5 on April 28, 2021, 04:10:15 AM
Why do you guys get so mad when another American has a different point of view? When you say we are a republic and not a democracy you have to realize many dictatorial nations call themselves a republic. But in America 'we the people' vote, people voting makes for a democracy, call it a republic if you like, but that doesn't change the fact that power rests with the people. As the old saying goes, the proof is in the pudding and the pudding spoke in 2020.

A republic is: "National sovereignty lies in the authority of the government, not in an emperor or monarch. The word republic comes from the Latin words res publica, meaning a "public thing". For example, the United States and India are republics, but North Korea and Cuba are also called republics."

https://www.britannica.com/topic/republic-government

"Democracy is government by the people especially : rule of the majority. A government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections."

'Does the Constitution mention democracy?' 

"The Constitution is organized into three parts. The Constitution established a Federal democratic republic. It is the system of the Federal Government; it is democratic because the people govern themselves; and it is a republic because the Government's power is derived from its people." 


Banish word salad call a spade a spade.

Because Americans generally despise you liberal nazis....

Quote from: midcan5 on April 28, 2021, 04:10:15 AM
Why do you guys get so mad when another American has a different point of view? When you say we are a republic and not a democracy you have to realize many dictatorial nations call themselves a republic. 



https://www.britannica.com/topic/republic-government

"Democracy is government by the people especially : rule of the majority. A government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections."



"The Constitution is organized into three parts. The Constitution established a Federal democratic republic. It is the system of the Federal Government; it is democratic because the people govern themselves; and it is a republic because the Government's power is derived from its people." 


Banish word salad call a spade a spade.

Yeah, we do tend to get a little touchy when liberals come on board and try to pass their opinion, which is usually just cnn's talking points, off as facts. And that touchyness gets up a little when asked to back up their opinion and they post another opinion piece.

QuoteBut in America 'we the people' vote, people voting makes for a democracy, call it a republic if you like, but that doesn't change the fact that power rests with the people.

Sorry, but "we the people" voting does not make for a democracy. Quick question, how many senators and congressmen do you get to vote for? All 535? If we were a democracy you would get to vote for all of them, you know, majority rule. But when laws are passed, it is representatives of the states, passing them, you know, like a republic. If we were a democracy, there would be no veto, you know, majority rule. Ever here the saying majority rule = mob rule? See, a republic protect everyone, not just the majority. 

QuoteAs the old saying goes, the proof is in the pudding and the pudding spoke in 2020.

If the pudding is voter fraud I might get what you are saying, but for someone who is as "well read" as you tell us you are, that is one stupid statement.

QuoteA republic is: "National sovereignty lies in the authority of the government, not in an emperor or monarch. The word republic comes from the Latin words res publica, meaning a "public thing". For example, the United States and India are republics, but North Korea and Cuba are also called republics."

Can you name one communist country that the ruling party is not elected by an overwhelming majority, you know like a democracy?  didn't think so.

Quote'Does the Constitution mention democracy?' 

No it doesn't, because they founding fathers did not want one.
 

Quote from: midcan5 on April 28, 2021, 04:10:15 AM
Why do you guys get so mad when another American has a different point of view? When you say we are a republic and not a democracy you have to realize many dictatorial nations call themselves a republic. But in America 'we the people' vote, people voting makes for a democracy, call it a republic if you like, but that doesn't change the fact that power rests with the people. As the old saying goes, the proof is in the pudding and the pudding spoke in 2020.

A republic is: "National sovereignty lies in the authority of the government, not in an emperor or monarch. The word republic comes from the Latin words res publica, meaning a "public thing". For example, the United States and India are republics, but North Korea and Cuba are also called republics."

https://www.britannica.com/topic/republic-government

"Democracy is government by the people especially : rule of the majority. A government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections."

'Does the Constitution mention democracy?' 

"The Constitution is organized into three parts. The Constitution established a Federal democratic republic. It is the system of the Federal Government; it is democratic because the people govern themselves; and it is a republic because the Government's power is derived from its people." 


Banish word salad call a spade a spade.

I call bullshit on you moving the goal post of other "dictatorial nations call themselves a republic".

That's other countries we're talking about the United States of America.

Your problem is you liberals want mob rule and love it. The truth of the matter we are a rule of law a Republic which you hate.

Quote from: midcan5 on April 28, 2021, 04:10:15 AM
Why do you guys get so mad when another American has a different point of view? When you say we are a republic and not a democracy you have to realize many dictatorial nations call themselves a republic. But in America 'we the people' vote, people voting makes for a democracy, call it a republic if you like, but that doesn't change the fact that power rests with the people. As the old saying goes, the proof is in the pudding and the pudding spoke in 2020.

A republic is: "National sovereignty lies in the authority of the government, not in an emperor or monarch. The word republic comes from the Latin words res publica, meaning a "public thing". For example, the United States and India are republics, but North Korea and Cuba are also called republics."

https://www.britannica.com/topic/republic-government

"Democracy is government by the people especially : rule of the majority. A government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections."

'Does the Constitution mention democracy?' 

"The Constitution is organized into three parts. The Constitution established a Federal democratic republic. It is the system of the Federal Government; it is democratic because the people govern themselves; and it is a republic because the Government's power is derived from its people." 


Banish word salad call a spade a spade.

Simple grammar diagramming should resolve this. The sentence "The Constitution established a Federal democratic republic" is diagrammed as:  "Constitution" (subject) "established" (verb) "republic" (object).  "Federal, democratic" (adjectives, describing the object).  The core statement is "The Constitution established a republic".

The Constitution did NOT "establish a democracy".

Quote from: Possum on April 28, 2021, 04:40:09 AM
Yeah, we do tend to get a little touchy when liberals come on board and try to pass their opinion, which is usually just cnn's talking points, off as facts. And that touchyness gets up a little when asked to back up their opinion and they post another opinion piece.
Sorry, but "we the people" voting does not make for a democracy. Quick question, how many senators and congressmen do you get to vote for? All 535? If we were a democracy you would get to vote for all of them, you know, majority rule. But when laws are passed, it is representatives of the states, passing them, you know, like a republic. If we were a democracy, there would be no veto, you know, majority rule. Ever here the saying majority rule = mob rule? See, a republic protect everyone, not just the majority. 

If the pudding is voter fraud I might get what you are saying, but for someone who is as "well read" as you tell us you are, that is one stupid statement.
Can you name one communist country that the ruling party is not elected by an overwhelming majority, you know like a democracy?  didn't think so.

No it doesn't, because they founding fathers did not want one.

Nailed it!!!

Quote from: midcan5 on April 28, 2021, 04:10:15 AM
Why do you guys get so mad when another American has a different point of view? When you say we are a republic and not a democracy you have to realize many dictatorial nations call themselves a republic. But in America 'we the people' vote, people voting makes for a democracy, call it a republic if you like, but that doesn't change the fact that power rests with the people. As the old saying goes, the proof is in the pudding and the pudding spoke in 2020.

A republic is: "National sovereignty lies in the authority of the government, not in an emperor or monarch. The word republic comes from the Latin words res publica, meaning a "public thing". For example, the United States and India are republics, but North Korea and Cuba are also called republics."

https://www.britannica.com/topic/republic-government

"Democracy is government by the people especially : rule of the majority. A government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections."

'Does the Constitution mention democracy?' 

"The Constitution is organized into three parts. The Constitution established a Federal democratic republic. It is the system of the Federal Government; it is democratic because the people govern themselves; and it is a republic because the Government's power is derived from its people." 


Banish word salad call a spade a spade.

Maybe, just maybe you can grasp this. Note the word "Repugnant"!

Quote from: midcan5 on April 28, 2021, 04:10:15 AM
Why do you guys get so mad when another American has a different point of view? When you say we are a republic and not a democracy you have to realize many dictatorial nations call themselves a republic. But in America 'we the people' vote, people voting makes for a democracy, call it a republic if you like, but that doesn't change the fact that power rests with the people. As the old saying goes, the proof is in the pudding and the pudding spoke in 2020.

A republic is: "National sovereignty lies in the authority of the government, not in an emperor or monarch. The word republic comes from the Latin words res publica, meaning a "public thing". For example, the United States and India are republics, but North Korea and Cuba are also called republics."

https://www.britannica.com/topic/republic-government

"Democracy is government by the people especially : rule of the majority. A government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections."

'Does the Constitution mention democracy?' 

"The Constitution is organized into three parts. The Constitution established a Federal democratic republic. It is the system of the Federal Government; it is democratic because the people govern themselves; and it is a republic because the Government's power is derived from its people." 


Banish word salad call a spade a spade.

But you arent pushing a different point of VIEW, you are pushing leftist talking points designed to promote a different REALITY.

Can you see the difference?

Thanks for your replies.  Calling opinions leftist or liberal or whatever are not replies they are labels. Labels often get us in trouble. I  do the same of course. But the point remains, we the people voted.  I prefer democracy, you like republic but the show goes on regardless. The modern obsession with words like leftist, cancel, woke etc etc etc is kinda useless in my humble opinion. Analysis and thought requires more than in-group pejoratives.

"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words." Philip K. Dick

Any Stanley Fish readers?  He is a favorite of mine. Fish is a deep thinker and his 'Winning Arguments' is excellent. I gotta get it out. LOL

This piece is interesting too:  http://www.drugsense.org/tfy/hijacked.htm

You must know by now I am lover of quotes and aphorisms. A few below

"The inability or unwillingness of citizens to differentiate between fake and authentic news is undermining a fundamental assumption of democracy: the informed voter." Richard Edelman

Addendum: For the readers

We are going out Mother's day and I laughed when I reviewed this author's piece.  Read to find why.

"The greatest cause of verbicide is the fact that most people are obviously far more anxious to express their approval and disapproval of things than to describe them. Hence the tendency of words to become less descriptive, and more evaluative; then to become evaluative, while still retaining some hint of the sort of goodness or badness implied; and to end up by being purely evaluative useless synonyms for good or for bad."  C.S. Lewis

https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2014/06/uncluttering-the-house-of-the-mind

Quote from: midcan5 on April 29, 2021, 05:31:32 AM
Thanks for your replies.  Calling opinions leftist or liberal or whatever are not replies they are labels. Labels often get us in trouble. I  do the same of course. But the point remains, we the people voted.  I prefer democracy, you like republic but the show goes on regardless. The modern obsession with words like leftist, cancel, woke etc etc etc is kinda useless in my humble opinion. Analysis and thought requires more than in-group pejoratives.

"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words." Philip K. Dick

Any Stanley Fish readers?  He is a favorite of mine. Fish is a deep thinker and his 'Winning Arguments' is excellent. I gotta get it out. LOL

This piece is interesting too:  http://www.drugsense.org/tfy/hijacked.htm

You must know by now I am lover of quotes and aphorisms. A few below

"The inability or unwillingness of citizens to differentiate between fake and authentic news is undermining a fundamental assumption of democracy: the informed voter." Richard Edelman

Addendum: For the readers

We are going out Mother's day and I laughed when I reviewed this author's piece.  Read to find why.

"The greatest cause of verbicide is the fact that most people are obviously far more anxious to express their approval and disapproval of things than to describe them. Hence the tendency of words to become less descriptive, and more evaluative; then to become evaluative, while still retaining some hint of the sort of goodness or badness implied; and to end up by being purely evaluative useless synonyms for good or for bad."  C.S. Lewis

https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2014/06/uncluttering-the-house-of-the-mind

All you democrat nazis love mob rule....

Quote from: midcan5 on April 29, 2021, 05:31:32 AM
Thanks for your replies.  Calling opinions leftist or liberal or whatever are not replies they are labels.

No, they are not opinions, they are based in actual Fact, your entire belief system is the antithesis of who we are as a Nation based on our Founding Documents!!!

QuoteLabels often get us in trouble. I  do the same of course. But the point remains, we the people voted.  I prefer democracy, you like republic but the show goes on regardless.

And therein lies the problem, you want democracy so bad, you're willing to destroy our Republic to get it.

QuoteThe modern obsession with words like leftist, cancel, woke etc etc etc is kinda useless in my humble opinion. Analysis and thought requires more than in-group pejoratives.

LOL! And your side created it all, so own it!



And therein lies the problem, you want democracy so bad, you're willing to destroy our Republic to get it.

Quote from: midcan5 on April 29, 2021, 05:31:32 AM
Thanks for your replies.  Calling opinions leftist or liberal or whatever are not replies they are labels. Labels often get us in trouble. I  do the same of course.   The modern obsession with words like leftist, cancel, woke etc etc etc is kinda useless in my humble opinion.

LOL so you are getting triggered that we are calling you out for what you are? You are getting mad that we are properly defining the enemy of America?
Why are you so worried that we are properly labeling them? Why are you so afraid of proper, correct labels? Why do yo fear the truth?

Surely you agree that leftism is evil? To say otherwise is to deny objective morality.
Surely you agree socialism has always failed? To say otherwise is to deny history.
Surely you can agree the left is trying to take over and destroy this country? To say otherwise is to deny the facts and evidence.
Surely you can agree that the left is our enemy? To say otherwise is to deny reality.
See, thats called using your brain for logical deduction. Try it sometime...

QuoteI prefer democracy, you like republic but the show goes on regardless.

No the show does not go on if we dont allow it too. We are in the majority so we hold all the power despite the hollywood show going on right now.

QuoteBut the point remains, we the people voted.

Yes, we voted trump. But none of our votes were counted due to all the illegal votes.

QuoteAnalysis and thought requires more than in-group pejoratives.

Yet, thats all the left is capable of. Thats why they think they are in the majority and think that biden won, despite a lack of evidence.

Quote"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words." Philip K. Dick

Exactly! You are projecting the very thing YOU ARE DOING HERE onto us. YOU are the one manipulating words and not calling a spade a spade. Thanks for pointing this out to us all.

Quote"The inability or unwillingness of citizens to differentiate between fake and authentic news is undermining a fundamental assumption of democracy: the informed voter." Richard Edelman

Thank God for Trump proving to us that all the news in america was fake news. All owed by the deepstate.
The left loves the uninformed voter. Needs them for survival really.

QuoteAny Stanley Fish readers?  He is a favorite of mine. Fish is a deep thinker and his 'Winning Arguments' is excellent. I gotta get it out. LOL

This piece is interesting too:  http://www.drugsense.org/tfy/hijacked.htm

You must know by now I am lover of quotes and aphorisms. A few below

Addendum: For the readers

We are going out Mother's day and I laughed when I reviewed this author's piece.  Read to find why.

Nobody cares.

Quote"The greatest cause of verbicide is the fact that most people are obviously far more anxious to express their approval and disapproval of things than to describe them. Hence the tendency of words to become less descriptive, and more evaluative; then to become evaluative, while still retaining some hint of the sort of goodness or badness implied; and to end up by being purely evaluative useless synonyms for good or for bad."  C.S. Lewis

https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2014/06/uncluttering-the-house-of-the-mind

U do understand that CS lewis was a christian and was warning us about the left, right?

See, when the left has power they do everything they can to 'end the debate' before its even started, silencing the right. 

Then, once the debate has been had and their side has lost, then they never want the debate to end. They try to scream that WE arent allowing the debate at all and are trying to silence them, even tho we did allow it and they lost. (This is what midcan is trying to do here right now.)



When in power they allow no debate.

When out, they never allow the debate to come to a conclusion.

Owebo, I am an independent, Uncle Sam's air force was the only club I joined. You guys can call me whatever names you like, it doesn't mean anything.

Solar,  I served this nation during Vietnam. Pay my taxes too, often top rate. My side? Not sure what that is?

T Hunt, I've been online since the infancy of the Internet and have commented on this effort of breaking up replies. Interesting tactic. But it reminds me of a schoolmarm writing on your composition paper. And if you don't care about a specific item do I need to know?  No.

Leftism is evil, not sure what that means or even is, disagree too your other assumptions as I'd need to know more. Labeling means little. Hate is easy, thought harder. Examples help. Specifics please. Oh and socialism works well in Finland etc.

Trump proved media was fake? He did, how exactly did he do that, tell us and I want solid references. You know what the DI said about opinions. 'Facts just the facts ma'ma.' Sgt. Friday.

I'm not going to assume what CS Lewis would think of America today but I would doubt he'd think the hatred regarding party and immigrants and minorities very Christian. That's just me. Like his quotes.


"Literature adds to reality, it does not simply describe it. It enriches the necessary competencies that daily life requires and provides; and in this respect, it irrigates the deserts that our lives have already become." C. S. Lewis

"The task of the modern educator is not to cut down jungles, but to irrigate deserts." C. S. Lewis

"Let's pray that the human race never escapes from Earth to spread its iniquity elsewhere." C. S. Lewis

Quote from: midcan5 on April 29, 2021, 03:40:25 PM
Owebo, I am an independent, Uncle Sam's air force was the only club I joined. You guys can call me whatever names you like, it doesn't mean anything.

Solar,  I served this nation during Vietnam. Pay my taxes too, often top rate. My side? Not sure what that is?

T Hunt, I've been online since the infancy of the Internet and have commented on this effort of breaking up replies. Interesting tactic. But it reminds me of a schoolmarm writing on your composition paper. And if you don't care about a specific item do I need to know?  No.

Leftism is evil, not sure what that means or even is, disagree too your other assumptions as I'd need to know more. Labeling means little. Hate is easy, thought harder. Examples help. Specifics please. Oh and socialism works well in Finland etc.

Trump proved media was fake? He did, how exactly did he do that, tell us and I want solid references. You know what the DI said about opinions. 'Facts just the facts ma'ma.' Sgt. Friday.

I'm not going to assume what CS Lewis would think of America today but I would doubt he'd think the hatred regarding party and immigrants and minorities very Christian. That's just me. Like his quotes.


"Literature adds to reality, it does not simply describe it. It enriches the necessary competencies that daily life requires and provides; and in this respect, it irrigates the deserts that our lives have already become." C. S. Lewis

"The task of the modern educator is not to cut down jungles, but to irrigate deserts." C. S. Lewis

"Let's pray that the human race never escapes from Earth to spread its iniquity elsewhere." C. S. Lewis

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2018/07/08/sorry-bernie-bros-but-nordic-countries-are-not-socialist/?sh=684dc8ff74ad

QuoteTo the extent that the left wants to point to an example of successful socialism, not just generous welfare states, the Nordic countries are actually a poor case to cite. Regardless of the perception, in reality the Nordic countries practice mostly free market economics paired with high taxes exchanged for generous government entitlement programs.

QuoteFirst, it is worth noting that the Nordic counties were economic successes before they built their welfare states. Those productive economies, generating good incomes for their workers, allowed the governments to raise the tax revenue needed to pay for the social benefits. It was not the government benefits that created wealth, but wealth that allowed the luxury of such generous government programs.

If you want to use a good example of socialism, try using Venezuela, they are socialist.

Quote from: midcan5 on April 29, 2021, 03:40:25 PM
Owebo, I am an independent, Uncle Sam's air force was the only club I joined. You guys can call me whatever names you like, it doesn't mean anything.

Solar,  I served this nation during Vietnam. Pay my taxes too, often top rate. My side? Not sure what that is?

T Hunt, I've been online since the infancy of the Internet and have commented on this effort of breaking up replies. Interesting tactic. But it reminds me of a schoolmarm writing on your composition paper. And if you don't care about a specific item do I need to know?  No.

Leftism is evil, not sure what that means or even is, disagree too your other assumptions as I'd need to know more. Labeling means little. Hate is easy, thought harder. Examples help. Specifics please. Oh and socialism works well in Finland etc.

Trump proved media was fake? He did, how exactly did he do that, tell us and I want solid references. You know what the DI said about opinions. 'Facts just the facts ma'ma.' Sgt. Friday.

I'm not going to assume what CS Lewis would think of America today but I would doubt he'd think the hatred regarding party and immigrants and minorities very Christian. That's just me. Like his quotes.


"Literature adds to reality, it does not simply describe it. It enriches the necessary competencies that daily life requires and provides; and in this respect, it irrigates the deserts that our lives have already become." C. S. Lewis

"The task of the modern educator is not to cut down jungles, but to irrigate deserts." C. S. Lewis

"Let's pray that the human race never escapes from Earth to spread its iniquity elsewhere." C. S. Lewis

Your words label you....your anger on how we can see right through you exposes your weak character....typical of liberals

Thanks for your service....