Florida was correct to end the Disney government. The legislature voted 2-1 to do it. Disney as a company said they will use their resources to take down the Republicans in Florida. The Reedy Creek District was patronage. Support the party in power and get political positions. Now Disney can no longer issue tax free bonds to finance projects. I do not see Democrats handing over government entities to Republicans, do you?

As far as Disney not investing in Florida anymore, the truth is Disney is losing money and for the first time closed a hotel, the Star Wars Galactic. Disney just announced another big round of layoffs.

With the last minute Reedy Creek changes, Disney gave itself a covenant to build whatever they want and to end Reedy Creek use of Disney characters.  I do not know about the Disney characters part, but a legislature can remove any covenant they want, remember the racial covenants?

It gives me a laugh how many Republicans are squealing that Florida should not interfere with business this way. Unless Republicans use government power, they will continue to lose to Democrats. This "businesses should do whatever they want" is preposterous.

Does anyone here believe the a company that is a thorn in the side of Republicans should have the power to have a jail and a police force? They contracted out to the county, but ultimately Disney had the power to have a jail and a police force.

Spot on! 👌👌

Quote from: WMK on May 28, 2023, 05:26:00 PMSpot on! 👌👌

The key word here is the legislature. They did what they had to power to do. It is they, who deserve the credit. What was given to Disney should have never been given, the legislature corrected that.

Quote from: Possum on May 28, 2023, 05:53:25 PMThe key word here is the legislature. They did what they had to power to do. It is they, who deserve the credit. What was given to Disney should have never been given, the legislature corrected that.

OMG, I can't believe what I'm reading. FINALLY, you're beginning to finally grasp the situation.    

Quote from: unver on May 28, 2023, 11:25:58 AM?
As far as Disney not investing in Florida anymore, the truth is Disney is losing money and for the first time closed a hotel, the Star Wars Galactic. Disney just announced another big round of layoffs.

QuoteAnd so many are still projecting how Disney's CEO is making a power play to teach DeSantis a lesson.

As to the Fla. legislation, spearheaded by DeSantis here's how it will affect Disney:

. ENDS Disney's self-governing status.
ENDS Disney's exemption from the Florida Building Code and Florida Fire Prevention Code.
ENDS Disney's exemption from state regulatory reviews and approvals.
ENDS Disney's secrecy by ensuring transparency.
ENSURES that Disney will pay its fair share of taxes.
PREVENTS leftist local governments from using the situation to raise local taxes.
IMPOSES Florida law so that Disney is no longer given preferential treatment.
ENSURES that Disney's municipal debt will be paid by Disney, not Florida taxpayers.     

Quote from: WMK on May 28, 2023, 06:15:29 PMOMG, I can't believe what I'm reading. FINALLY, you're beginning to finally grasp the situation.    

You are showing you have yet to grasp it. Disney, as is common in states and cities, was given special treatment by the different governments, state and local, for enticements. I am against the government picking and choosing winners and losers. the most common form of enticement are lower tax rates in order to get companies to move there. Again, I am against this. I do not have a problem with governments looking at the unfairness of this and setting the record straight.

What I am not for, is when the head monkey goes after a company for what they think and use the tax rates as a way to punish. Maybe you will see the difference, I doubt it. But again, the key word here is LEGISLATURE, they
VOTED on it. But that is probably over your head too, you seem to give DeSantis credit for the accomplishments of a conservative congress. 

Reading the comments on this thread I see two different issues have been raised. Obviously the first is the Disney situation and then a general issue of incentives for companies to locate in an area.

The genesis of the situation was not a mistake at the outset. Unfortunately, the problem is there was no end time for the benefits. Sixty years ago the Orlando area was just sleepy, central Florida area famous for only lakes and orange groves. The attraction of Disney World changed everything and the entire area has flourished. However, times have changed, as has Disney. The deal lasted too long and many would say Disney has abused its benefits.

As for government incentives, they are good if the CBA indicates long term benefit for the community. The problem arises when local politicians use the incentives to pad their own pockets rather than benefit the community.

Quote from: Possum on May 29, 2023, 04:00:05 AMYou are showing you have yet to grasp it. Disney, as is common in states and cities, was given special treatment by the different governments, state and local, for enticements. I am against the government picking and choosing winners and losers. the most common form of enticement are lower tax rates in order to get companies to move there. Again, I am against this. I do not have a problem with governments looking at the unfairness of this and setting the record straight.

What I am not for, is when the head monkey goes after a company for what they think and use the tax rates as a way to punish. Maybe you will see the difference, I doubt it. But again, the key word here is LEGISLATURE, they
VOTED on it. But that is probably over your head too, you seem to give DeSantis credit for the accomplishments of a conservative congress. 

Why play the wiggle worm? Man up and move on. Otherwise you'll just go deeper into the rabbit hole.           
 
Yup, "spearheaded" is the word of choice re: DeSantis & legislation passed.

Quote from: WMK on May 29, 2023, 07:18:09 AMWhy play the wiggle worm? Man up and move on. Otherwise you'll just go deeper into the rabbit hole.           
 
Yup, "spearheaded" is the word of choice re: DeSantis & legislation passed.

You obviously are not capable to grasp the idea of government over reach. Pity. Most liberals live for that over reach. Imagine, a government that can punish businesses for thought. Must be your idea of paradise.

Quote from: Possum on May 29, 2023, 08:32:16 AMYou obviously are not capable to grasp the idea of government over reach. Pity. Most liberals live for that over reach. Imagine, a government that can punish businesses for thought. Must be your idea of paradise.

Swallow your pride and move on. There's things far away is the time worse than a bruised ego.

Quote from: WMK on May 29, 2023, 08:59:53 AMSwallow your pride and move on. There's things far away is the time worse than a bruised ego.

You have yet to answer why you are ok with what DeSantis did. Why you think HIM punishing a legal business for the direction they are moving is correct. Do you want your government to mind check every business? Your resorting to childish answers and comments is a reflection on you, not me. If you are fine with that reputation, great, is sure does not bother me. But, do you want to have an adult discussion or not? Your call. But I have had it with your dumbass answers.

Quote from: Possum on May 29, 2023, 09:29:05 AMYou have yet to answer why you are ok with what DeSantis did. Why you think HIM punishing a legal business for the direction they are moving is correct. Do you want your government to mind check every business? Your resorting to childish answers and comments is a reflection on you, not me. If you are fine with that reputation, great, is sure does not bother me. But, do you want to have an adult discussion or not? Your call. But I have had it with your dumbass answers.

Maybe now you'll understand what I essentially told you some time ago; you get back what you give. Now grab a tissue, wipe your eyes, and move on, like I told you.

Quote from: supsalemgr on May 29, 2023, 05:26:17 AMAs for government incentives, they are good if the CBA indicates long term benefit for the community. The problem arises when local politicians use the incentives to pad their own pockets rather than benefit the community.

Unfortunately, human nature is such that whoever sits in the catbird seat, eventually sucumbs to abusing its privileges. IMO, in today's America, most politicians and businesses are in collusion to further their own interest, first. "The people" serve as usable pawns.

Quote from: WMK on May 29, 2023, 12:01:30 PMUnfortunately, human nature is such that whoever sits in the catbird seat, eventually sucumbs to abusing its privileges. IMO, in today's America, most politicians and businesses are in collusion to further their own interest, first. "The people" serve as usable pawns.

Oh, kinda like Ron did when he made it illegal to see who his donors are?
Keep digging, I'm right behind with a backhoe, ready to fill you in.

Quote from: Solar on May 29, 2023, 01:10:31 PMOh, kinda like Ron did when he made it illegal to see who his donors are?
Keep digging, I'm right behind with a backhoe, ready to fill you in.

You're the conspiracy theorist here, not me. So it's you who needs to backhoe and uncover the 'DeSantis donor conspiracy.'