"Moreover, Republicans and conservatives only lost the 2012 election because millions of conservative voters stayed home, uninspired by the Northeast liberal Romney. This column tried to alert the public about that problem, in an offering entitled "RINO Romney Is the Least Electable." But the Republicans still held the House majority, and hold complete control in 25 states with both the Governor and majorities in the legislature to only 14 for the Democrats."


http://spectator.org/archives/2013/01/30/enough-of-this-glumness

This was my point about cycles and why we will be back in power soon.
However, unless we purge the party of libs, we will continue our slow descent in Hell.

Quote from: Solar on January 30, 2013, 06:11:25 AM
This was my point about cycles and why we will be back in power soon.
However, unless we purge the party of libs, we will continue our slow descent in Hell.

I know it sounds like I'm redundant but one again I concur. 

Quote from: Turks on January 30, 2013, 06:25:15 AM
I know it sounds like I'm redundant but one again I concur.

I just wish it wasn't true.

The last election is just over two months old and the winner has been in office 10 days.   Our guy won back to back elections in 2000 & 2004 and the dem before him did also.  It might be a little early to throw in the towel. 

I think the losing party always goes through a post mortem of what went wrong.  Some pubs are taking a hard look at the situation and laying the ground work for 2016.  The earlier we get a front runner, the better off we will be. By the time Romney got the pub head nod last year the infighting by his pub opponents had sealed his doom.  He was ther least bloodiest.

If the party doesn't unite, it wont make any difference.  Dems/libs may infight but there comes a time when they stop the fighting and line up behind their candidate.  Hillary and Bill did so in 2008 and I don't think anyone thought that would happen. 

I'm still glum.

After 4 more years, there are certain things that will be impossible to reverse. Obamacare comes to mind.
For example:
When Obama took over the student loan system, the private companies that were administering it went out of business. Now the entire student loan process is a complete nightmare, and reversing Obama's hostile takeover will not bring those broken companies back. He has made it so that the government is the only entity that can do it. There is no private competition.

He has the same plan for healthcare. Student loans were a trial balloon to see if he could pull it off. It went without a hitch; only 30,000-40,000 new jobless, which is a drop in the bucket.

This isn't a normal cycle. We've never had a Marxist in power before.

Quote from: Reality on January 30, 2013, 06:58:03 AM
The last election is just over two months old and the winner has been in office 10 days.   Our guy won back to back elections in 2000 & 2004 and the dem before him did also.  It might be a little early to throw in the towel. 

I think the losing party always goes through a post mortem of what went wrong.  Some pubs are taking a hard look at the situation and laying the ground work for 2016.  The earlier we get a front runner, the better off we will be. By the time Romney got the pub head nod last year the infighting by his pub opponents had sealed his doom. He was ther least bloodiest.

If the party doesn't unite, it wont make any difference.  Dems/libs may infight but there comes a time when they stop the fighting and line up behind their candidate.  Hillary and Bill did so in 2008 and I don't think anyone thought that would happen.

All by design. If one remembers watching the process, the left wanted Mitt, the MSM ignored him, he said nothing controversial, the GOP RINO instigated much of the infighting, then in the end Cain had a so called scandal.
And who was left standing? Of course the RINO choice and they played us all like a fine fiddle, knowing quite well we wanted a true Conservative, that we would help shred those that didn't meet our standards.

Think about it, it was a masterful plan, one we all should have seen coming and hopefully won't fall for again...and again....and again.

Quote from: Solar on January 30, 2013, 07:12:45 AM
All by design. If one remembers watching the process, the left wanted Mitt, the MSM ignored him, he said nothing controversial, the GOP RINO instigated much of the infighting, then in the end Cain had a so called scandal.
And who was left standing? Of course the RINO choice and they played us all like a fine fiddle, knowing quite well we wanted a true Conservative, that we would help shred those that didn't meet our standards.

Think about it, it was a masterful plan, one we all should have seen coming and hopefully won't fall for again...and again....and again.

The frightening part is they likely will do it again and many will fall for it.  It seems the GOP just never learns its' lessons. 

Quote from: Turks on January 30, 2013, 07:14:30 AM
The frightening part is they likely will do it again and many will fall for it.  It seems the GOP just never learns its' lessons. 

What's that saying? "Fool Me Once, Shame on You,"....
How do we get through to the electorate that they are being conned by the RINO and the MSM?

Quote from: Solar on January 30, 2013, 07:21:48 AM
What's that saying? "Fool Me Once, Shame on You,"....
How do we get through to the electorate that they are being conned by the RINO and the MSM?

I honestly just don't know anymore.  Even if the GOP gets it's act together, the media will block it's message from getting out.

If the GOP will return to true CONSERVATIVE principles then we may have a chance.  However, as long as the RINO establishment keeps pushing moderates we are in trouble.  CONSERVATISM makes sense and it will win elections if the GOP will just find and allow the candidate that espouses those ideal to run.

Granted that the GOP has it's issues and has made some piss-poor decisions but let's say they were able to turn it around, which I think they can and will...how do you get the message out when the media is against them.  I've heard some say the social media but the Dems have been ahead on that means going back to before 2008.  There's only one cable network willling to discuss the issues in a fair way and many fear that outlet is reshaping itself.

Once the message is formulated, it's all about communicating it.   That I think is going to be an uphill battle.

Agreed it will be an uphill battle.  It may actually take good old fashioned shoe leather and door knocking.  However, of the media outlets the one that does present information in a fair manner is the one with the largest viewership.

I think the GOP is in a mess.  For clarity I am not a registered Pub and do not suspect that I ever will be. I live in an area that is mostly Dem and a history of tough unions.  I can tell you that there are many life long Dem's that do not want the America that Obama is trying to create.  I also work in upstate NY and most of the people I talk to are not for Obama either.  In fact have a great amount of anxiety over everything he is doing.   

So even if you look at the election map Obama dominated in the big cities where the sense of reality is totally distorted.  NYC is stopping drilling for gas in areas that desperately need money to keep their heads above water but all the politics are based on the city.  Watch the antics of Bloomburg and it is clear that what ever they are smoking is much stronger than weed. 

So the GOP has to dominate outside the big cities and make up ground in the big cities.  A pure conservative on fiscal matters would work, but if that conservative view crosses over into the social areas well a dem who left the party is still going to have a difficult time voting for a Pub. 

In my view I do not care what two people that love each other do.  I do think the churches have a claim on marriage so I do not think they should be forced to change in any way.  I think a better answer for abortion is that the person is against it but it is the rule of the land and they will go by the rule of law.  They can qualify it by forecasting that medical science will cause us to rethink it at some time and that they think their view will prove to be justified.  I think some of the other social issues out there can be discussed in a way that is based on reality and data that proves the intentions are rational and not punitive.

I think the GOP has to be the party that says what they want to do instead of dancing around it.  It might take a while for people to get it but sooner or later they will realize that the party has ideas and not just talking lines.  Ryan was a good example.  Came to the party with spreadsheets and data.  People loved him and then they turned him into a talking head with nothing but talking points. He got popular because of his financial prowess and using information as his basis for what approach was best.  Then they tossed out the books and had him arguing that Obama is a bad man.  Just lame.

Show me the money is what they have to do. When Rand Paul talks people listen because he acts in the manner he says he will and most of what he says is based on some set of data. 

My point can be demonstrated very easily.  Watch Hannity some day and listen to the tape of Mark Levin on the same day.  Both are conservative and both have shows where they talk about this country.   After listening to both I am confident that the way that Levin discusses a topic will give you the confidence that his view on it is not just an opinion but an opinion that can be backed up. 

Like I said earlier, if the GOP becomes the party of principles based and backed up by a solid mass of facts and figures laid out in a systematic way the Dem will only be able to argue based on straw men and grandiose statements.  When forced to back any of it up they all wilt like lettuce in a blast oven.  When it got into details Obama became the clown up against Romney.  Romney started gaining and the party believed he was going to win and back to being a talking head.  Credibility went out the window.  As for myself I was feeling good that Obama would be gone and we could possibly have a pragmatic president in office.  Then he started with the talking lines and political mumbo jumbo and I felt like the wind went out of my sails.  I still voted but my motivation was mostly gone.  Someone who cared less probably stayed home. 

Quote from: Bowhntr on January 30, 2013, 08:44:38 AM
If the GOP will return to true CONSERVATIVE principles then we may have a chance. 

Define exactly what a True Conservative is.

A Bob Taft type conservative or a Bill Buckley type conservative? An Old Right conservative or a New Right conservative?