Debate thread

[AmericanMom]

I agree with you AmericanMom.

It's been mind boggling to me since he got into the race the support he's had.

Every time the man opens his mouth I question who exactly it is that supports him.. 

[walkstall]

What amazes/concerns me is that some people I know who support Trump are mature and quite conservative individuals. I just don't understand why they cannot see there is no substance with Trump. As you point out Walks there is no instant fix and this is the narrative that Trump spouts.

All I can say is I see trump as a snake oil salesman.  Or he would not have three bankruptcy's attached to his name and proud of it.

[Hoofer]

Yeah, this WAS funny ... couldn't stop thinking about it, and how annoying he sounded.

https://youtu.be/3XriXDtfqCg

[Cali Contrarian]

Rubio got burned when Cruz pointed out his going on Univision to promise amnesty, Rubio: "You dont even speak spanish"

Cruz fires back in Spanish  "Now who is speaking spanish?".....I think that is what Ted Said, there was so much noise from the idiots in the audience I couldn't hear it clearly and yes my Spanish is a bit rusty.

Anybody else catch it?

No, he said:

"Marco, if you want, say it right now, say it now, in Spanish, if you want to."

Not sure that's 100% exact because he was chopping up his phrases and repeating himself trying to talk over Rubio, but pretty close.

IMO Rubio booted an opportunity, because had he kept speaking Spanish, he would have lost Cruz. Cruz admits he doesn't really speak Spanish, so he was bluffing somewhat, and managed to back Rubio down.

The main point though, is that it was just another cheap shot on Rubio's part. I mean, since when has speaking Spanish been a qualification for US president?

[Cali Contrarian]

I didn't get to see the debate live. I did watch it this morning. My takeaways are all things I believe have been expressed by others already in this thread....

1. It is a scandal and a disgrace to allow the RNC to pack the audience with supporters of their approved candidates. Bush had a strong contingent, but overwhelmingly it was Rubio's people.

The RNC has made a mockery of these debates. Better to debate in an empty sound studio.

2. Kasich is horrible. Just horrible. The Mr. Rogers routine is wearing thin. Please say something of substance or even simply relevant to the discussion at hand, just once.

3. The moderators lost control.....or more accurately, never cared to enforce control. Having Donald Trump screaming "Liar, liar!" or worse at every instance where he is criticized is not acceptable debate practice. How is it that the moderators NEVER ONCE asked him to shut up and wait his turn to speak?

4. If the big picture takeaway of this debate is not Donald Trump accusing the last Republican president of being responsible for the deaths of over 3,000 Americans on 9/11/01, then I just don't know what to say. I would have expected every headline this morning to be screaming at the outrage, or at least the controversy, but it seems to have been met with a collective "ho-hum" and a shrug of the shoulders. Instead we have headlines about a cage match or an insult-fest, as if all parties involved were equally responsible.

If Donald Trump did not kill himself with that performance, I guess he really is a vampire, and we are all doomed. We'll find out in the next few days.

[Dori]

1. It is a scandal and a disgrace to allow the RNC to pack the audience with supporters of their approved candidates. Bush had a strong contingent, but overwhelmingly it was Rubio's people.

The RNC has made a mockery of these debates. Better to debate in an empty sound studio.

"Greenville, South Carolina is excited to host a Republican Presidential Debate on Saturday, February 13, 2016. Please note: making a ticket request does not guarantee a ticket or admission to the debate. Tickets are very limited and requests will potentially be fulfilled by random drawing, given the massive interest in the debate. We will contact you at the appropriate time if your name is chosen (not before January 2016)."

Read more at http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-debate-schedule/how-to-get-2016-presidential-primary-debate-tickets/#fsBTHaG4VihI5GHf.99

[Cali Contrarian]

"Greenville, South Carolina is excited to host a Republican Presidential Debate on Saturday, February 13, 2016. Please note: making a ticket request does not guarantee a ticket or admission to the debate. Tickets are very limited and requests will potentially be fulfilled by random drawing, given the massive interest in the debate. We will contact you at the appropriate time if your name is chosen (not before January 2016)."

Read more at http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-debate-schedule/how-to-get-2016-presidential-primary-debate-tickets/#fsBTHaG4VihI5GHf.99

I don't understand the point you are trying to make. I can't even tell if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me. You do realize that refers to just the public allotment of tickets, right? The majority are distributed directly to minor party officials and to "friends" of the party. I said RNC, but it is RNC in conjunction with the state party, probably with the state party more directly involved.

[Dori]

I don't understand the point you are trying to make. I can't even tell if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me. You do realize that refers to just the public allotment of tickets, right? The majority are distributed directly to minor party officials and to "friends" of the party. I said RNC, but it is RNC in conjunction with the state party, probably with the state party more directly involved.

Donald Trump is accusing the RNC of giving tickets to lobbyists and donors too.  Carl Cameron of FOX said that the RNC gives a certain number to the candidates and a certain number to the host party.  In this case the RNC of SC. 

I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with you, I don't know.  The link I posted was one I found for applying for debate tickets. 

[kit saginaw]

I don't understand the point you are trying to make. I can't even tell if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me. You do realize that refers to just the public allotment of tickets, right? The majority are distributed directly to minor party officials and to "friends" of the party. I said RNC, but it is RNC in conjunction with the state party, probably with the state party more directly involved.

I agree with ya...  The RNC admitted to the Cruz and Trump camps that over half the tickets were stacked with Bush-donors, Rubio-donors, friends of CBS, friends of Google, friends of Lindsay Graham, friends of Nikki Haley, and friends of the local Republican Party-chief.

Since the 6 candidates were only allowed 100 each for the 2,000 seats, it roughly breaks down as 400 anti-Bush/Rubio attendees vs. 1,600 pro-Bush/Rubio attendees.

No wonder Cruz was being inexplicably booed at certain points.  After 7 months, all of a sudden he's booed in South Carolina... ?

 




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[Josie]

I remember you from the Romper Room, girlie. Will you fail here as badly?

[Josie]

No, he said:

"Marco, if you want, say it right now, say it now, in Spanish, if you want to."

Not sure that's 100% exact because he was chopping up his phrases and repeating himself trying to talk over Rubio, but pretty close.

IMO Rubio booted an opportunity, because had he kept speaking Spanish, he would have lost Cruz. Cruz admits he doesn't really speak Spanish, so he was bluffing somewhat, and managed to back Rubio down.

The main point though, is that it was just another cheap shot on Rubio's part. I mean, since when has speaking Spanish been a qualification for US president?

The reason Rubio called Cruz out was because Cruz has been outright lying to his audiences for months now saying that Rubio told Univision something different in Spanish than what he was telling English speaking crowds in regards to immigration. Cruz knows this is a lie that has been debunked long ago, but he continues to repeat it over and over.

Cruz himself admitted that he doesn't speak Spanish well and IMO Rubio got the best of Cruz in that exchange.

I can't link my proof because it's from Breitbart, before it became Trumpbart, but it admits that Marco was mistranslated.

If you like I can send you the link in a PM...

[Solar]

The reason Rubio called Cruz out was because Cruz has been outright lying to his audiences for months now saying that Rubio told Univision something different in Spanish than what he was telling English speaking crowds in regards to immigration. Cruz knows this is a lie that has been debunked long ago, but he continues to repeat it over and over.

Cruz himself admitted that he doesn't speak Spanish well and IMO Rubio got the best of Cruz in that exchange.

I can't link my proof because it's from Breitbart, before it became Trumpbart, but it admits that Marco was mistranslated.

If you like I can send you the link in a PM...

So who's lying, Ted Or Marco?
Cruz will come out on top in this one, Rubio did say it differently in Spanish from what he said to the American people.
What Cruz said is correct, he did not lie, and despite the claim that a semicolon was left out is pure fantasy to assume it entirely changes the meaning of what Rubio said.
Read it for yourself, Rubio is the liar, not Ted.

Rubio and Ramos were discussing the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals policy, commonly referred to as DACA, which exempts from deportation and grants a renewable two-year permit to individuals who immigrated illegally before both their 16th birthday and June 2007.

Obama expanded DACA in November 2014 to include immigrants who came to America before 2010, while also eliminating the age restriction. The expansion also increased the deferred period from two years to three.

The interview began, according to Grabien, with Rubio saying: "I believe DACA is important. It can't be terminated from one moment to the next, because there are already people benefiting from it."

Conservatives were shaken by Rubio's description of DACA as "important," venting on Twitter:

Read more: http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/04/19/rubio-sparks-uproar-with-immigration-statement-in-spanish-campaign-blames-poor-translation-196680#ixzz40Ekhup8J

What you're failing to understand, is that Marco claims that it will end one day, but what Americans know to be fact is it was an illegal EO by the Marxist in the first place, and for Rubio to say it won't end immediately is opposite from what he told Americans.

[keyboarder]

I agree with ya...  The RNC admitted to the Cruz and Trump camps that over half the tickets were stacked with Bush-donors, Rubio-donors, friends of CBS, friends of Google, friends of Lindsay Graham, friends of Nikki Haley, and friends of the local Republican Party-chief.

Since the 6 candidates were only allowed 100 each for the 2,000 seats, it roughly breaks down as 400 anti-Bush/Rubio attendees vs. 1,600 pro-Bush/Rubio attendees.

No wonder Cruz was being inexplicably booed at certain points.  After 7 months, all of a sudden he's booed in South Carolina... ?

We definitely had a stacked audience just slam full of Rubio/Bush supporters.  Our local conservative talk radio hosts (3 of them) could not get admitted to the main area.  Noticed that  all the elite of the party were there and looking pretty smug on exit interviews.  Try as hard as they might, the goings on like that night didn't bode well in the eyes of the average voter. 

 




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[Cali Contrarian]

The reason Rubio called Cruz out was because Cruz has been outright lying to his audiences for months now saying that Rubio told Univision something different in Spanish than what he was telling English speaking crowds in regards to immigration. Cruz knows this is a lie that has been debunked long ago, but he continues to repeat it over and over.

Cruz himself admitted that he doesn't speak Spanish well and IMO Rubio got the best of Cruz in that exchange.

I can't link my proof because it's from Breitbart, before it became Trumpbart, but it admits that Marco was mistranslated.

If you like I can send you the link in a PM...

First of all, I don't think links to Breitbart are banned outright. Only in the case where Breitbart is serving as a bulletin board for articles that could be linked to their original source. It's always better on an open forum to make everything available to everyone reading, meaning in this case, posting the link in the thread. I suspect though, that the url given in the link Solar posted is the transcript in question.

Second, I have noticed that in every case so far where these accusations have flown between Cruz and Rubio, Rubio has proven to be the one fudging the truth, most notably in regard to Cruz's role in the Gang of Eight negotiations.

About this particular issue, it is clear to me from reading his statement that Rubio meant to support Obama's DACA program. I can't say that he is insincere about wanting to phase it out eventually -- after all, proper border and visa enforcement would make the issue moot -- but it seems to me that isn't at issue.

What we are missing is the alleged contradiction where Rubio said otherwise in English. If he said, or implied, that he is unabashedly opposed to Obama's DACA program and would end it forthwith upon assuming office, even for current beneficiaries, then Cruz is right about Rubio contradicting himself. If Rubio has admitted in English that he favors continuance of DACA for those currently affected, then he wins on the issue of honesty and whether or not he misrepresented himself, but presumably still loses among the GOP electorate on the issue itself. That's the piece we're missing -- what did Rubio say in English, that Cruz is referring to.

In regard to the translation of the Univision interview, I agree with Solar that substituting the semicolon for a period makes no appreciable difference in the statement Rubio made.

[Josie]

So who's lying, Ted Or Marco?
Cruz will come out on top in this one, Rubio did say it differently in Spanish from what he said to the American people.
What Cruz said is correct, he did not lie, and despite the claim that a semicolon was left out is pure fantasy to assume it entirely changes the meaning of what Rubio said.
Read it for yourself, Rubio is the liar, not Ted.

Rubio and Ramos were discussing the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals policy, commonly referred to as DACA, which exempts from deportation and grants a renewable two-year permit to individuals who immigrated illegally before both their 16th birthday and June 2007.

Obama expanded DACA in November 2014 to include immigrants who came to America before 2010, while also eliminating the age restriction. The expansion also increased the deferred period from two years to three.

The interview began, according to Grabien, with Rubio saying: "I believe DACA is important. It can't be terminated from one moment to the next, because there are already people benefiting from it."

Conservatives were shaken by Rubio's description of DACA as "important," venting on Twitter:

Read more: http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/04/19/rubio-sparks-uproar-with-immigration-statement-in-spanish-campaign-blames-poor-translation-196680#ixzz40Ekhup8J

What you're failing to understand, is that Marco claims that it will end one day, but what Americans know to be fact is it was an illegal EO by the Marxist in the first place, and for Rubio to say it won't end immediately is opposite from what he told Americans.

This is a link to the author of the article I was referring to.

https://twitter.com/rumpfshaker/status/693160058260103168

Cruz counting on confusing between DAPA and DACA