I realize that this is an op ed piece, but I found the last sentence of the article very telling ("...Republicans have a Ted Cruz problem. The better he does, the more he could destroy the GOP. He thrills the right but is anathema to everyone else."). Gee I thought the the GOP USED to be considered the "right", which just shows how derailed and defunct the party really is.
Cruz could destroy GOP
...Cruz today has virtually no influence to get things done in the Senate Republican Conference or among House Republicans. They remember the epic disaster he inflicted on the GOP the one time he did have influence, when he championed the government shutdown in October 2013 that voters despised...
"The big question for Republicans is whether Cruz will be nominated for president, wage his war against all Republicans of moderation, and try to purge them from his party, or whether the rest of the GOP will understand the disaster Cruz could impose on them and purge him from the corridors of power first, a process that has already begun. A Cruz campaign in 2016 promises ugly primary attacks against GOP opponents, and if he is nominated, ugly attacks against Democrats...
...Republicans have a Ted Cruz problem. The better he does, the more he could destroy the GOP. He thrills the right but is anathema to everyone else.
http://thehill.com/opinion/brent-budowsky/213178-cruz-could-destroy-gop (http://thehill.com/opinion/brent-budowsky/213178-cruz-could-destroy-gop)
If this piece were any more pfluffy, I'd lay my head on it 'n fall-sleep.
Quote from: suzziY on July 24, 2014, 04:36:01 AM
I realize that this is an op ed piece, but I found the last sentence of the article very telling ("...Republicans have a Ted Cruz problem. The better he does, the more he could destroy the GOP. He thrills the right but is anathema to everyone else."). Gee I thought the the GOP USED to be considered the "right", which just shows how derailed and defunct the party really is.
Cruz could destroy GOP
...Cruz today has virtually no influence to get things done in the Senate Republican Conference or among House Republicans. They remember the epic disaster he inflicted on the GOP the one time he did have influence, when he championed the government shutdown in October 2013 that voters despised...
"The big question for Republicans is whether Cruz will be nominated for president, wage his war against all Republicans of moderation, and try to purge them from his party, or whether the rest of the GOP will understand the disaster Cruz could impose on them and purge him from the corridors of power first, a process that has already begun. A Cruz campaign in 2016 promises ugly primary attacks against GOP opponents, and if he is nominated, ugly attacks against Democrats...
...Republicans have a Ted Cruz problem. The better he does, the more he could destroy the GOP. He thrills the right but is anathema to everyone else.
http://thehill.com/opinion/brent-budowsky/213178-cruz-could-destroy-gop (http://thehill.com/opinion/brent-budowsky/213178-cruz-could-destroy-gop)
The first paragraph is pure bull shit! In his mind it may have been despised, which means this is nothing more than a thinly veiled hit piece.
He's right about the last line, though I wonder who he means by "everyone else", meaning the minority opinion?
Yea, we need a candidate who wont attack democrats.
Quote from: Solar on July 24, 2014, 05:39:06 AM
The first paragraph is pure bull shit! In his mind it may have been despised, which means this is nothing more than a thinly veiled hit piece.
He's right about the last line, though I wonder who he means by "everyone else", meaning the minority opinion?
Get ready for more of these type pieces. The long knives will be out for any true conservative that shows any promise. It will get worse after November.
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 24, 2014, 06:50:04 AM
Get ready for more of these type pieces. The long knives will be out for any true conservative that shows any promise. It will get worse after November.
Bingo!!!
It'll be like an invasion of locust.
This is the time when everyone needs to be extra vigilant, turn on critical thinking, and above all else, turn off the TV.
Quote from: Solar on July 24, 2014, 06:53:47 AM
Bingo!!!
It'll be like an invasion of locust.
This is the time when everyone needs to be extra vigilant, turn on critical thinking, and above all else, turn off the TV.
How easily some people are duped.
Follow your candidate of choice, not what the tabloids are saying or LSM spouts.
Why not post some derogatory articles about whatever Democrat is in the running.? There's enough crap about the liberals so that we'll never find a conservative that could even begin to be as far down in the gutter. There's an old saying that rings true, "a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link".
This reply was quoted from Solar's comments in error. It was mean't to be quoted from the author of the thread. My bad, Solar.
Interesting. The 'zine is called "The Hill."
:popcorn:
Quote from: red_dirt on July 24, 2014, 07:36:10 AM
Interesting. The 'zine is called "The Hill."
:popcorn:
I follow your lead precisely. :wink:
Quote from: red_dirt on July 24, 2014, 07:36:10 AM
Interesting. The 'zine is called "The Hill."
:popcorn:
Yep, and well known for it's far leftist bent.
:thumbup:
Yes. He could destroy the Boner/McConnell GOP. That's a bad thing?
Quote from: keyboarder on July 24, 2014, 07:22:20 AM
How easily some people are duped.
Follow your candidate of choice, not what the tabloids are saying or LSM spouts.
Why not post some derogatory articles about whatever Democrat is in the running.? There's enough crap about the liberals so that we'll never find a conservative that could even begin to be as far down in the gutter. There's an old saying that rings true, "a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link".
This reply was quoted from Solar's comments in error. It was mean't to be quoted from the author of the thread. My bad, Solar.
Your mention of the tabloids brought to mind another potential candidate in 2016. Let's add John Edwards to the list and really make it a circus for the dem nomination. :popcorn:
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 24, 2014, 08:29:32 AM
Your mention of the tabloids brought to mind another potential candidate in 2016. Let's add John Edwards to the list and really make it a circus for the dem nomination. :popcorn:
Ooooooh. I forgot about Johnny....
BUDOWSKY: and take the GOP down to a defeat as catastrophic as the one Barry Goldwater suffered in 1964.
He never explains that Goldwater probably lost because he expressed possibly dropping nukes on North Vietnam, then he never mentions Goldwater again. That's effing odd, since Budowsky was a former aide to former Texas Senator/Democrat vice-presidential candidate; Lloyd Bentsen Jr., who expressed possibly dropping nukes on North Korea in 1952.
Cruz is a credible threat to both the GOP AND DEMS. :thumbsup: :popcorn: This is only the beginning!
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 24, 2014, 06:50:04 AM
Get ready for more of these type pieces. The long knives will be out for any true conservative that shows any promise. It will get worse after November.
Exactly what happened to Gingrich, Cain, West, Bachmann, Palin, Santorum, and Perry last time. The MSM and dems cleared them all out post-haste, leaving only RINO's Huntsman, Portman, and Romney. Just about 100% with rumors, innuendo, fake stories, etc.
That's what we need to have an answer for. It's going to happen again. What's our work-around ? We either need top get savage in the PR / marketing world just like them, or we create a TP / independent ticket.
I see ads every day around here blasting Desjarlais for fooling around with his former patients, and getting one pregnant and an abortion.
But not a peep about Alexander's top guy being a practicing pedophile for 5-10 years. Is it distasteful to go down this road ? Sure. Are we ready to stop losing ? Who knows. They're not gonna stop anything they're doing, which is beating us soundly.
That's why we lose. When we stop answering crotch kicks with feather-tickles, maybe we'll stop losing.
Quote from: AndyJackson on July 24, 2014, 09:38:44 AM
Exactly what happened to Gingrich, Cain, West, Bachmann, Palin, Santorum, and Perry last time. The MSM and dems cleared them all out post-haste, leaving only RINO's Huntsman, Portman, and Romney. Just about 100% with rumors, innuendo, fake stories, etc.
That's what we need to have an answer for. It's going to happen again. What's our work-around ? We either need top get savage in the PR / marketing world just like them, or we create a TP / independent ticket.
I see ads every day around here blasting Desjarlais for fooling around with his former patients, and getting one pregnant and an abortion.
But not a peep about Alexander's top guy being a practicing pedophile for 5-10 years. Is it distasteful to go down this road ? Sure. Are we ready to stop losing ? Who knows. They're not gonna stop anything they're doing, which is beating us soundly.
That's why we lose. When we stop answering crotch kicks with feather-tickles, maybe we'll stop losing.
It will be up to the individual candidate to stand up and fight back. Hopefully, the RNC will also fight fire with fire. The GOP gets knocked for Lee Atwater's tactics, but they worked. The dems have learned to use them well and never get called. It gets back to the establishment wanting the MSM to like them. That will never happen, but they keep trying.
Yes, I agree with you the MSM helped elect Obama, there is no doubt. I think Americans on both sides are fed up. Certainly in my mind, I would love to see a 3rd party; but I definitely think I'm in the minority on that issue. I think Cruz would make a great president, but I don't see him leaving the Republican party. The only one I see making a run for it on a 3rd party ticket is Paul ... he's already been labeled as a Libertarian, so switching parties wouldn't be such an issue.
Statistically there are appx. 62 million registered Democrats and 47 million Republicans. I don't see a huge chance for a successful 3rd party candidate. Cruz is already associated with the Republican party, that's not going to go away. Paul is under the Republican umbrella but the media has him labeled as a Libertarian ... so I feel he has the best shot at a 3rd party win.
I really think, every thing hinges right now on the November elections. At the least of course I hope the Republicans keep their seats in the House. At best the Republicans will take both Houses, and if they manage to accomplish things Obama and the Democrats will be trying to take full credit.
Quote from: suzziY on July 24, 2014, 10:25:49 AM
Yes, I agree with you the MSM helped elect Obama, there is no doubt. I think Americans on both sides are fed up. Certainly in my mind, I would love to see a 3rd party; but I definitely think I'm in the minority on that issue. I think Cruz would make a great president, but I don't see him leaving the Republican party. The only one I see making a run for it on a 3rd party ticket is Paul ... he's already been labeled as a Libertarian, so switching parties wouldn't be such an issue.
Statistically there are appx. 62 million registered Democrats and 47 million Republicans. I don't see a huge chance for a successful 3rd party candidate. Cruz is already associated with the Republican party, that's not going to go away. Paul is under the Republican umbrella but the media has him labeled as a Libertarian ... so I feel he has the best shot at a 3rd party win.
I really think, every thing hinges right now on the November elections. At the least of course I hope the Republicans keep their seats in the House. At best the Republicans will take both Houses, and if they manage to accomplish things Obama and the Democrats will be trying to take full credit.
There's no reason for a third party. The non-Republicans in the Republican party can convert to the Democrat party. They have that option.
Quote from: suzziY on July 24, 2014, 10:25:49 AM
Yes, I agree with you the MSM helped elect Obama, there is no doubt. I think Americans on both sides are fed up. Certainly in my mind, I would love to see a 3rd party; but I definitely think I'm in the minority on that issue. I think Cruz would make a great president, but I don't see him leaving the Republican party. The only one I see making a run for it on a 3rd party ticket is Paul ... he's already been labeled as a Libertarian, so switching parties wouldn't be such an issue.
Statistically there are appx. 62 million registered Democrats and 47 million Republicans. I don't see a huge chance for a successful 3rd party candidate. Cruz is already associated with the Republican party, that's not going to go away. Paul is under the Republican umbrella but the media has him labeled as a Libertarian ... so I feel he has the best shot at a 3rd party win.
I really think, every thing hinges right now on the November elections. At the least of course I hope the Republicans keep their seats in the House. At best the Republicans will take both Houses, and if they manage to accomplish things Obama and the Democrats will be trying to take full credit.
A third party coming from the republican side guarantees a dem win.
Budowski's opinion is worth about as much as Leon Trotsky's.
The present, so called, R leadership is nothing but a gaggle of
corrupt assholery whose only focus is on money and power.
They are the tails of the DC coin.
More importantly, the GOP is not and has never been a
principled conservative party; in contrast to the southern
agrarian and rural Democrats. Rather, since 1856, the GOP
was always the party of government. Anyone who thinks
otherwise, is in denial. Conservative mantras and slogans
are trotted out at election time to bemuse the R lo-fo rank and file.
Let them hate the
Well if Brent Budowsky thinks so it must be true.
Who the hell is Brent Budowsky?
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 24, 2014, 11:01:58 AM
Well if Brent Budowsky thinks so it must be true.
Who the hell is Brent Budowsky?
He's that guy..... from that thing....
Quote from: dashvinny on July 24, 2014, 06:27:42 AM
Yea, we need a candidate who wont attack democrats.
That's just what America needs, more people in a party which with it's mouth claims to oppose the national socialist (NAZI) political ideology espoused and supported by the DNC.
Which although claiming with it's mouth to oppose that political ideology, in practice does everything the DNC snaps it's fingers and says to do.
Look folks, politics are, like or not, a form of civilized warfare you could say.
In warfare You don't win the war by rolling over and doing what the enemy wants every time the enemy snaps it's fingers and says do something.
And you don't win a political struggle either, if every time the DNC snaps it's fingers, you roll over like a good doggie, beg, and do what the DNC says do.
The last thing America needs, is more so called "moderate RINO's" who roll over and do what the DNC says do at the snap of a finger, infesting the party which claims to be the party of liberty and freedom for all.
So if Cruz were elected, and IF Cruz so chose to do so. I for one wouldn't lose a wink of sleep seeing him purge the RNC of these RINOS and so called "moderates".
Frankly these so called "moderates" and RINOS are and should be made irrelevant within the RNC.
IF they want to act and behave as a Democrat fine, let them go join the Democrat party.
Quote from: taxed on July 24, 2014, 11:03:46 AM
He's that guy..... from that thing....
Oh
that guy. The guy with the thing.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 24, 2014, 11:09:21 AM
Oh that guy. The guy with the thing.
Here's his bio snippet... I wonder if he's a lib.
QuoteBudowsky was an aide to former Sen. Lloyd Bentsen and Bill Alexander, then chief deputy majority whip of the House. He holds an LL.M. degree in international financial law from the London School of Economics. He can be read on The Hill's Contributors Blog and reached at [email protected].
Read more: http://thehill.com/opinion/brent-budowsky/213178-cruz-could-destroy-gop#ixzz38PZhqNC2 (http://thehill.com/opinion/brent-budowsky/213178-cruz-could-destroy-gop#ixzz38PZhqNC2)
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As long as the Republicans don't fight fire with fire, they can continue to lose.
Civility just doesn't seem to work. That's why I don't see Sarah Palin as a viable candidate. The media knives are already being sharpened. And if no one covers for her, forget it.
If someone would just try the technique of going out with conservative ideas and STICK WITH THEM, despite media and Democrat criticism, they might just win. Use Reagan's technique of laughing at them.
I just wish SOMEONE would give it a try.
DaisyJane :huh:
Quote from: DaisyJane on July 24, 2014, 11:38:08 AM
As long as the Republicans don't fight fire with fire, they can continue to lose.
Civility just doesn't seem to work. That's why I don't see Sarah Palin as a viable candidate. The media knives are already being sharpened. And if no one covers for her, forget it.
If someone would just try the technique of going out with conservative ideas and STICK WITH THEM, despite media and Democrat criticism, they might just win. Use Reagan's technique of laughing at them.
I just wish SOMEONE would give it a try.
DaisyJane :huh:
What needs to happen is more education Daisey, most Americans are, when you examine their beliefs, more in line with Conservativism or libertarianism/Constitutionalism.
Not liberalism as it exists within the DNC which is what I call Nazism.
Quote from: daidalos on July 24, 2014, 11:50:26 AM
What needs to happen is more education Daisey, most Americans are, when you examine their beliefs, more in line with Conservativism or libertarianism/Constitutionalism.
There's nobody / no place for it to happen, except campaign ads, pressers, town halls, rallies, etc.
MSM, Hollywood, academia are all owned lock stock & barrel by the dems, libs, & commies.
Our only opportunity is to do it ourselves, in those ways that I listed. And we have to be repetitive, loud, obnoxious, and never stop....just like them.
Our quiet just magnifies their propaganda.
The first paragragh should tell you how scared the rinos and liberals are of Mr. Cruz.
Quote from: daidalos on July 24, 2014, 11:50:26 AM
What needs to happen is more education Daisey, most Americans are, when you examine their beliefs, more in line with Conservativism or libertarianism/Constitutionalism.
Not liberalism as it exists within the DNC which is what I call Nazism.
I agree that ultra liberalism isn't most people's values. Most people DO NOT research the way we do. So, they are left captive to the MSM, which is solidly democrats.
I try in my personal life to counter it. For example, my brother and his wife are union members. They are told by their union to vote Democrat. They are not liberals in their own lives. However, they are told things like "Republicans are going to take away your unemployment." Yep, that's why they voted Obama TWICE. I don't even want to talk to them hardly!
So, you have LIV's getting their message from the MSM, comedy shows (one of my sister-in-law's favorite is Jackass and Honey Boo Boo), their union propaganda, or they want their "gimmies." They are told Sarah Palin is stupid, Mitt Romney doesn't understand them, blah blah blah.
Wish I had the strategy to deal with this.
DaisyJane :huh:
Quote from: DaisyJane on July 24, 2014, 02:06:10 PM
I agree that ultra liberalism isn't most people's values. Most people DO NOT research the way we do. So, they are left captive to the MSM, which is solidly democrats.
I try in my personal life to counter it. For example, my brother and his wife are union members. They are told by their union to vote Democrat. They are not liberals in their own lives. However, they are told things like "Republicans are going to take away your unemployment." Yep, that's why they voted Obama TWICE. I don't even want to talk to them hardly!
So, you have LIV's getting their message from the MSM, comedy shows (one of my sister-in-law's favorite is Jackass and Honey Boo Boo), their union propaganda, or they want their "gimmies." They are told Sarah Palin is stupid, Mitt Romney doesn't understand them, blah blah blah.
Wish I had the strategy to deal with this.
DaisyJane :huh:
Try this:
Why will republicans take away your unemployment?
Are you afraid of being layed off?
I would ask them just "Are you afraid of being layed off?" then ask them who is responsible for the fear they'll be laid off. Ask them just who's policies is it, which is harming the economy so badly? Because it's things like Obama care which are creating the economic instability. Not only that, but Obama's other pet project, the illegals. Another Democrap policy, which is creating the very economic instability, which makes the union workers have to worry about layoffs.
I know Daisey how it is dealing with liberal relatives. My aunt and uncle God love em, are good, decent, hardworking, Christians, but were union employees all their lives. My uncle worked for GE aviation building the jet engines our fighters use today. But because of the unions being solidly in the pockets of the Democraps, he and my aunt were told stupid lies like the "Republicans will take away your unemployment" crapola and now vote Democrap every time.
They did not however vote for Obama, because they believed, and rightly so I might add, that Obama sat in a "church" following a cultist named Jeremiah Wright for twenty years. They believed that the doctrine practiced at that church, was NOT a Christian Doctrine and thus is a cult. Again rightly so.
And they didn't want a cultist running our nation.
Quote from: suzziY on July 24, 2014, 10:25:49 AM
Yes, I agree with you the MSM helped elect Obama, there is no doubt. I think Americans on both sides are fed up. Certainly in my mind, I would love to see a 3rd party; but I definitely think I'm in the minority on that issue. I think Cruz would make a great president, but I don't see him leaving the Republican party. The only one I see making a run for it on a 3rd party ticket is Paul ... he's already been labeled as a Libertarian, so switching parties wouldn't be such an issue.
Statistically there are appx. 62 million registered Democrats and 47 million Republicans. I don't see a huge chance for a successful 3rd party candidate. Cruz is already associated with the Republican party, that's not going to go away. Paul is under the Republican umbrella but the media has him labeled as a Libertarian ... so I feel he has the best shot at a 3rd party win.
I really think, every thing hinges right now on the November elections. At the least of course I hope the Republicans keep their seats in the House. At best the Republicans will take both Houses, and if they manage to accomplish things Obama and the Democrats will be trying to take full credit.
Do you have any idea as to how many 3rd party's already exist?
And look how well they fare every election. :rolleyes:
You change the Party from within by DE-FUNDING the GOP as an organization, but give until it hurts to those INDIVIDUAL candidate you support.
Quote from: red_dirt on July 24, 2014, 07:36:10 AM
Interesting. The 'zine is called "The Hill."
:popcorn:
Center-left leaning in overall coverage. At least it's not Chinese-owned like Real Clear Politics just became.
Quote from: Bronx on July 24, 2014, 01:22:48 PM
The first paragragh should tell you how scared the rinos and liberals are of Mr. Cruz.
My earlier point exactly!
I love Ted Cruz and frankly, I don't know what you are talking about.
It is the moderates, in my opinion, who are ruining the R party and this country
Anyone who has integrity is shoved aside in US government, it seems, but of course, not by EVERYONE or Ted Cruz would not be so popular.
You sound like a leftie. Good luck on that one... God is not a liberal... not even remotely (except in the sense that He forgives our sins when we do not deserve it, which we never do
____ :smile:)
The GOP is the party of Coolidge, Lincoln, Taft, Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Nixon and countless of principled congressmen, governors and senators. Government is not inherently evil and as a conservative im not naive as a liberal viewing it as inherently good from which free welfare comes from or am i a foolish libertarian or libertine viewing government as inherently totalitarian which should always be repressed. There has always been different faction eithin GOP like all other major parties and it would be better to have it unified and get compromise internally than forcing a splinter that would cause factions to seek compromise externally with democrats or radical libertines/libertarins.
Hoping to see a rejuvanated and strong unity driven GOP preferably with Ted Cruz leading the way, people who chants for Cruz to split the party will br severly dissapointed as he is real GOP to the core.
And lets hope they change the logo ffs :p
Quote from: prophetofdoom on July 25, 2014, 08:34:06 AM
I love Ted Cruz and frankly, I don't know what you are talking about.
It is the moderates, in my opinion, who are ruining the R party and this country
Anyone who has integrity is shoved aside in US government, it seems, but of course, not by EVERYONE or Ted Cruz would not be so popular.
You sound like a leftie. Good luck on that one... God is not a liberal... not even remotely (except in the sense that He forgives our sins when we do not deserve it, which we never do
____ :smile:)
Who were you addressing, and learn to use the quote function.
Quote from: prophetofdoom on July 25, 2014, 08:34:06 AM
I love Ted Cruz and frankly, I don't know what you are talking about.
It is the moderates, in my opinion, who are ruining the R party and this country
Anyone who has integrity is shoved aside in US government, it seems, but of course, not by EVERYONE or Ted Cruz would not be so popular.
You sound like a leftie. Good luck on that one... God is not a liberal... not even remotely (except in the sense that He forgives our sins when we do not deserve it, which we never do
____ :smile:)
Please link to the post you are commenting on. Thanx :smile:
Quote from: prophetofdoom on July 25, 2014, 08:34:06 AM
I love Ted Cruz and frankly, I don't know what you are talking about.
It is the moderates, in my opinion, who are ruining the R party and this country
Anyone who has integrity is shoved aside in US government, it seems, but of course, not by EVERYONE or Ted Cruz would not be so popular.
You sound like a leftie. Good luck on that one... God is not a liberal... not even remotely (except in the sense that He forgives our sins when we do not deserve it, which we never do
____ :smile:)
One way in which we, who do know better, can educate those who do not among our fellow citizenry is to call the RINOS and so called "moderates" what they are. RINOS and these so called "moderates" within the RNC are liberals in disguise. Please note the period there too.