Oh this is getting too easy...
https://conservativehardliner.com/confirmed-lindell-baited-enemy-fake-pcap-data
QuoteI was confident that it was the case that Lindell was setting a trap for all the "Trump lost" clowns. I posted a few days ago about how the data in Lindell's "9-0" video was not pcap data but just a hex dump (a tool we use) of unencrypted CSV data. I posited that it was bait, and I'm now certain of that after he mentioned an upcoming event in July.
I knew that once the BlueAnon libtards realized this wasn't the pcap data Lindell said it was, they'd enter a state of giddy euphoria and crank up threads on Twitter about how Lindell was tricked and you can't believe anything he said and that Trump lost.
Last night on Steve "hol-hol-hol-hol-hol-hold on" Bannon's show (clip below), Lindell confirmed this indeed WAS NOT the data, and he's releasing his real data at an event where he's inviting "cyber teams from around the country" to confirm it.
Oh, this is good old-fashioned Hopium! :thumbup:
Quote from: taxed on June 10, 2021, 10:08:38 AMOh this is getting too easy...
https://conservativehardliner.com/confirmed-lindell-baited-enemy-fake-pcap-data
You need to do a Big, "I Told You So" addendum to your article. :thumbsup:
Quote from: taxed on June 10, 2021, 10:08:38 AMthe data in Lindell's "9-0" video was not pcap data but just a hex dump (a tool we use) of unencrypted CSV data.
https://conservativehardliner.com/confirmed-lindell-baited-enemy-fake-pcap-data
That line is pretty opaque to those of us who don't live inside the motherboard.
Quote from: je_freedom on June 10, 2021, 12:16:32 PM
That line is pretty opaque to those of us who don't live inside the motherboard.
Are you trying to tell me I don't know how to interface with humans?
Quote from: Solar on June 10, 2021, 11:16:02 AMYou need to do a Big, "I Told You So" addendum to your article. :thumbsup:
After all of this is said and done, we're going to pull up the food trucks full of crow and just serve it.
Quote from: taxed on June 10, 2021, 12:20:56 PMAfter all of this is said and done, we're going to pull up the food trucks full of crow and just serve it.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
With a side of "Egg on the Face"...
Quote from: taxed on June 10, 2021, 12:18:01 PMAre you trying to tell me I don't know how to interface with humans?
i have always enjoyed your posts, I enjoy them better after someone explains what you said. :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Possum on June 10, 2021, 12:33:05 PMi have always enjoyed your posts, I enjoy them better after someone explains what you said. :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-olIJ-yvl-GY/X2N50-8ZMuI/AAAAAAAAIjw/AvNfdRhixewzfiQ44N1gArozHR3yo9dTQCLcBGAsYHQ/s410/Spock.gif)
well i'm gonna need someone to explain this to me cause it makes absolutely NO sense.
Quote from: Calypso Jones on June 10, 2021, 02:20:16 PMwell i'm gonna need someone to explain this to me cause it makes absolutely NO sense.
The data Lindell showed streaming on his "9-0" video was NOT this particular data he said it was. From a leftist's perspective, he was fooled and told China launched a cyber-attack, and he was using that fake data as proof.
It would be the equivalent of using an article as evidence some news event happened, only to have someone point out to you that it's an article from "The Onion".
What that data really was is unencrypted CSV (comma-separated value, like what you'd import into Microsoft Excel). Therefore, it looked like Lindell was being played and made a fool.
I thought he was setting a trap to draw attention to get everyone to jump on him and make fun of him.
Now that they have, he's saying "great! Can't wait to see what you say about it at that big event in July with cyber teams from all over when I release the actual data!".
...to put another way, after all these people have showed themselves and have spent time and energy debunking you for using "The Onion", now you say "cool, that actually wasn't it... I'm showing the bloody knife and video evidence at a convention in front of CSI experts. Can't wait to see your analysis then, since you already put yourself out there debunking the fake stuff!".
If the data wasn't fake, they wouldn't have said anything, but he drew them out. Now they're stuck having to comment on it publicly when he does that event.
This is absolutely awesome! Lindell is a hero! :thumbup:
Quote from: taxed on June 10, 2021, 02:31:02 PMThe data Lindell showed streaming on his "9-0" video was NOT this particular data he said it was. From a leftist's perspective, he was fooled and told China launched a cyber-attack, and he was using that fake data as proof.
It would be the equivalent of using an article as evidence some news event happened, only to have someone point out to you that it's an article from "The Onion".
What that data really was is unencrypted CSV (comma-separated value, like what you'd import into Microsoft Excel). Therefore, it looked like Lindell was being played and made a fool.
I thought he was setting a trap to draw attention to get everyone to jump on him and make fun of him.
Now that they have, he's saying "great! Can't wait to see what you say about it at that big event in July with cyber teams from all over when I release the actual data!".
...to put another way, after all these people have showed themselves and have spent time and energy debunking you for using "The Onion", now you say "cool, that actually wasn't it... I'm showing the bloody knife and video evidence at a convention in front of CSI experts. Can't wait to see your analysis then, since you already put yourself out there debunking the fake stuff!".
If the data wasn't fake, they wouldn't have said anything, but he drew them out. Now they're stuck having to comment on it publicly when he does that event.
This reminds me of how Project Veritas will
release a recording of some leftist honcho incriminating themselves,
and the leftist publicly says, "They took me out of context. I was really saying..."
and then Veritas releases another recording of the same leftist, including the context,
that proves that the leftist's denial is a further lie.
Quote from: je_freedom on June 10, 2021, 03:49:44 PMThis reminds me of how Project Veritas will
release a recording of some leftist honcho incriminating themselves,
and the leftist publicly says, "They took me out of context. I was really saying..."
and then Veritas releases another recording of the same leftist, including the context,
that proves that the leftist's denial is a further lie.
Ah, yes, that's a great point....
Hopium is right.
So instead of this
(https://imageshack.com/i/pnnSSRNQj)
It's really this
(https://imageshack.com/i/pmrReqqwj)
Quote from: taxed on June 10, 2021, 10:08:38 AMOh this is getting too easy...
I knew that once the BlueAnon libtards realized this wasn't the pcap data Lindell said it was, they'd enter a state of giddy euphoria and crank up threads on Twitter about how Lindell was tricked and you can't believe anything he said and that Trump lost.
https://conservativehardliner.com/confirmed-lindell-baited-enemy-fake-pcap-data
There were trolls on this forum trying to push that very thing, the exact same narrative that Lindell was tricked. Like you said, he wouldnt just plaster such sensitive information on screen for all to see, esp knowing that most people will never know what they are looking at.
Do we know anything more about this event he is hosting? Like who will be there and if it will be live streamed in any way?
Quote from: T Hunt on June 11, 2021, 08:32:42 AMThere were trolls on this forum trying to push that very thing, the exact same narrative that Lindell was tricked. Like you said, he wouldnt just plaster such sensitive information on screen for all to see, esp knowing that most people will never know what they are looking at.
Do we know anything more about this event he is hosting? Like who will be there and if it will be live streamed in any way?
Not yet... he just mentioned it the other day on Bannon's show, but he threw down the gauntlet. He said he wants to make it like a cybersecurity event, which would be hilarious.
IF I were him, I'd also do a CTF for the machine and offer, like, a $250k reward or something... that would be HILARIOUS!!!!!
(CTF - capture the flag... hide some data in the machines that can only be found if they remotely break in and find it)
Quote from: Calypso Jones on June 10, 2021, 02:20:16 PMwell i'm gonna need someone to explain this to me cause it makes absolutely NO sense.
At the risk of sounding as stupid as some here seem to think Lindell wants to seem or sound, I have to agree. I didn't see any MSM coverage of Lindell's data dump, and when I tried to talk about it with people here, nobody knew anything about it. So the Left wasn't fooled. They weren't running around making a big deal about it. But here and other places like this, people were believing everything Lindell seemed to be telling them. If Trump won and still should be President, you'd think that it would be easier to provide straight forward evidence. Where can I find that evidence?
Quote from: sataspa on June 11, 2021, 09:46:30 AMAt the risk of sounding as stupid as some here seem to think Lindell wants to seem or sound, I have to agree. I didn't see any MSM coverage of Lindell's data dump, and when I tried to talk about it with people here, nobody knew anything about it. So the Left wasn't fooled. They weren't running around making a big deal about it. But here and other places like this, people were believing everything Lindell seemed to be telling them. If Trump won and still should be President, you'd think that it would be easier to provide straight forward evidence. Where can I find that evidence?
You clearly don't read tweets from cyber-libtards. You'd think they just collectively won the lottery.
Quote from: taxed on June 11, 2021, 09:56:58 AMYou clearly don't read tweets from cyber-libtards. You'd think they just collectively won the lottery.
I don't care about cyber-libtards. I'm trying to win the hearts, minds and votes of people around me here in NJ.
Quote from: sataspa on June 11, 2021, 09:58:19 AMI don't care about cyber-libtards. I'm trying to win the hearts, minds and votes of people around me here in NJ.
You should care about cyber-libtards because they're going to be forced to help make the case. Lindell hooked all of them who were tweeting away about his fake data. Now they're on the hook to do the same when the real data is presented.
The hearts and minds will be persuaded by the cyber world. They will also be responsible for informing judges, juries, etc.
Quote from: taxed on June 11, 2021, 10:00:42 AMYou should care about cyber-libtards because they're going to be forced to help make the case. Lindell hooked all of them who were tweeting away about his fake data. Now they're on the hook to do the same when the real data is presented.
The hearts and minds will be persuaded by the cyber world. They will also be responsible for informing judges, juries, etc.
Doesn't this all seem too arcane? Where is the straight forward evidence?
Quote from: sataspa on June 11, 2021, 10:03:38 AMDoesn't this all seem too arcane? Where is the straight forward evidence?
What would you consider to be "straight forward" evidence?
Quote from: sataspa on June 11, 2021, 09:46:30 AMAt the risk of sounding as stupid as some here seem to think Lindell wants to seem or sound, I have to agree. I didn't see any MSM coverage of Lindell's data dump, and when I tried to talk about it with people here, nobody knew anything about it. So the Left wasn't fooled. They weren't running around making a big deal about it. But here and other places like this, people were believing everything Lindell seemed to be telling them. If Trump won and still should be President, you'd think that it would be easier to provide straight forward evidence. Where can I find that evidence?
https://hereistheevidence.com/
https://www.joecheated.com/
Both of those sites have tons of evidence.
Here is more.
(https://i.postimg.cc/NjVMbpPk/hussein-trump-creepy-2020-min.jpg)
Its both statistically and mathematically impossible for biden to have won.
https://patriotdailypress.com/2020/11/29/analysis-shows-biden-received-a-statistically-impossible-percentage-of-votes-from-ballot-dumps-in-georgia/
https://stillnessinthestorm.com/2021/01/expert-mathematician-says-impossible-for-biden-numbers-to-occur-naturally-steal-proven/
Now you HAVE seen the evidence, so will you retract your claim that there is no strait forward evidence?
Quote from: taxed on June 11, 2021, 09:22:20 AMNot yet... he just mentioned it the other day on Bannon's show, but he threw down the gauntlet. He said he wants to make it like a cybersecurity event, which would be hilarious.
IF I were him, I'd also do a CTF for the machine and offer, like, a $250k reward or something... that would be HILARIOUS!!!!!
(CTF - capture the flag... hide some data in the machines that can only be found if they remotely break in and find it)
Am I understanding this correctly?
Lindell should hide some data in a Dominion machine,
offer a big cash reward to the first person to find the data,
and do this all just to show that the Dominion machine can be hacked?
If that's the case, it sounds like a good idea to me.
Quote from: je_freedom on June 11, 2021, 01:06:43 PMAm I understanding this correctly?
Lindell should hide some data in a Dominion machine,
offer a big cash reward to the first person to find the data,
and do this all just to show that the Dominion machine can be hacked?
If that's the case, it sounds like a good idea to me.
Yes. That would be hilarious.
Quote from: sataspa on June 11, 2021, 10:03:38 AMDoesn't this all seem too arcane? Where is the straight forward evidence?
https://t.me/Maximus_EVR/764
Quote from: taxed on June 11, 2021, 02:23:56 PMhttps://t.me/Maximus_EVR/764
That can not be right, no way are there 26% of the republicans, 49% of indies, and 70 % of the democrats who are stupid enough to believe biden won. :lol:
Quote from: taxed on June 11, 2021, 02:23:56 PMhttps://t.me/Maximus_EVR/764
That poll is both interesting and informative.
Quote from: sataspa on June 11, 2021, 08:23:02 PMThat poll is both interesting and informative.
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....and hopeful!
Quote from: sataspa on June 11, 2021, 08:23:02 PMThat poll is both interesting and informative.
So youre just going to ignore the evidence you were shown?
Quote from: Possum on June 11, 2021, 03:15:16 PMThat can not be right, no way are there 26% of the republicans, 49% of indies, and 70 % of the democrats who are stupid enough to believe biden won. :lol:
Those numbers are very believable to me.
I would always like to win by as wide a margin as possible.
100% to 0% would be ideal, but will never happen.
50.0001% to 49.9999% is all we really HAVE to have,
IF the votes are counted honestly.
i get what sastap is saying. Its fruitless to work on the dedicated libtards....you can't change them...but for those not fully committed...that's where the energy must be placed.
https://rumble.com/embed/vfwx61/?pub=4
Quote from: taxed on June 14, 2021, 10:23:27 AMhttps://rumble.com/embed/vfwx61/?pub=4
This sounds like a more in depth version of Rudys hearings he held back after the election.
Speaking of, whats Rudy been up to? I havent heard anything from him in awhile...
Quote from: T Hunt on June 14, 2021, 11:05:52 AMThis sounds like a more in depth version of Rudys hearings he held back after the election.
Speaking of, whats Rudy been up to? I havent heard anything from him in awhile...
That's a great point. I think it will be a more "fun" type event where more people will be paying attention instead of "stuffy" hearings, and with the captured data.
Last I saw he's still swinging away... has been on Bannon's show a few times.
Quote from: taxed on June 14, 2021, 12:08:28 PMThat's a great point. I think it will be a more "fun" type event where more people will be paying attention instead of "stuffy" hearings, and with the captured data.
Last I saw he's still swinging away... has been on Bannon's show a few times.
Cool. I dont watch Bannons show, but maybe I should start too.
Quote from: T Hunt on June 14, 2021, 03:33:19 PMCool. I dont watch Bannons show, but maybe I should start too.
He's pretty good... I've been watching him more lately because he's been hammering the audits...
Lindell is a mental case badly in need of treatment!
Quote from: Walter Josh on June 14, 2021, 07:32:20 PMLindell is a mental case badly in need of treatment!
Watch and enjoy, you're watching history unfold before you very eyes.
Quote from: Walter Josh on June 14, 2021, 07:32:20 PMLindell is a mental case badly in need of treatment!
For a mental case, he is making a lot of money. Will see if he can back it up. He is putting his money where his mouth is, that more then I can say for the Dem's.
Quote from: Walter Josh on June 14, 2021, 07:32:20 PMLindell is a mental case badly in need of treatment!
Who told you to think that?
Quote from: Solar on June 14, 2021, 08:45:29 PMFUX Snooze.
I hope he didn't give them money. Usually the gullible get suckered.
Quote from: taxed on June 14, 2021, 08:52:42 PMI hope he didn't give them money. Usually the gullible get suckered.
I can't believe people even turn on the TV anymore. :glare:
Quote from: Solar on June 14, 2021, 08:54:03 PMI can't believe people even turn on the TV anymore. :glare:
Walter needs it. It helps him know what to think.
Quote from: taxed on June 14, 2021, 08:54:55 PMWalter needs it. It helps him know what to think.
Yep, FUX Snooze, where we tell you what, and how to think.
Quote from: taxed on June 14, 2021, 08:54:55 PMWalter needs it. It helps him know what to think.
Maybe he needs a better pillow.
Quote from: sataspa on June 11, 2021, 09:46:30 AMAt the risk of sounding as stupid as some here seem to think Lindell wants to seem or sound, I have to agree. I didn't see any MSM coverage of Lindell's data dump, and when I tried to talk about it with people here, nobody knew anything about it. So the Left wasn't fooled. They weren't running around making a big deal about it. But here and other places like this, people were believing everything Lindell seemed to be telling them. If Trump won and still should be President, you'd think that it would be easier to provide straight forward evidence. Where can I find that evidence?
So still no comment on all the hard evidence we showed you against your claim that there was no evidence of election cheating? Why are you ignoring it?
Why do you get quite when the evidence has been presented?
Are you trying to get us to forget we showed it too you so you can come back later and still claim there is none?
Quote from: T Hunt on June 16, 2021, 07:16:04 AMSo still no comment on all the hard evidence we showed you against your claim that there was no evidence of election cheating? Why are you ignoring it?
Why do you get quite when the evidence has been presented?
Are you trying to get us to forget we showed it too you so you can come back later and still claim there is none?
I am reading and listening to everything I can find on this topic. If you are asking me if I find your arguments to be convincing or your evidence to be overwhelming, I will have to say not yet.
Quote from: sataspa on June 16, 2021, 10:19:59 AMI am reading and listening to everything I can find on this topic. If you are asking me if I find your arguments to be convincing or your evidence to be overwhelming, I will have to say not yet.
We're still waiting on an answer to this:
Quote from: taxed on June 11, 2021, 10:04:14 AMWhat would you consider to be "straight forward" evidence?
More confirmation I called it:
https://rumble.com/embed/vg0enj/?pub=isdal
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: sataspa on June 16, 2021, 10:19:59 AMI am reading and listening to everything I can find on this topic. If you are asking me if I find your arguments to be convincing or your evidence to be overwhelming, I will have to say not yet.
Are you kidding me with this feigned ignorance crap?
Did you miss this post with tons of hard evidence?
https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/index.php?msg=464824
Now that you have seen it will you retract your claim that there is no evidence of election cheating?
Quote from: T Hunt on June 16, 2021, 04:07:05 PMAre you kidding me with this feigned ignorance crap?
Did you miss this post with tons of hard evidence?
https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/index.php?msg=464824
Now that you have seen it will you retract your claim that there is no evidence of election cheating?
I'm having trouble distinguishing between "fake pcap data" and the blatant lies that the MSM and DNC is pushing out. It seems like we need factual truth rather than "fake" anything from anyone. Maybe Lindell had something in mind, maybe he was trying to excite the Liberals or maybe he was just trying to smoke the criminals out. Whatever his purpose was is not clear to me. As I said, there is far too much fake news, what needs to be pushed out are facts, truth and real data showing either that fraud happened, (as I suspect), or that the Libs were right and everything is on the up and up.
Quote from: RV on June 16, 2021, 07:46:09 PMI'm having trouble distinguishing between "fake pcap data" and the blatant lies that the MSM and DNC is pushing out. It seems like we need factual truth rather than "fake" anything from anyone. Maybe Lindell had something in mind, maybe he was trying to excite the Liberals or maybe he was just trying to smoke the criminals out. Whatever his purpose was is not clear to me. As I said, there is far too much fake news, what needs to be pushed out are facts, truth and real data showing either that fraud happened, (as I suspect), or that the Libs were right and everything is on the up and up.
I basically agree. Fancy graphics are not hard evidence. Neither is any website which exists to tell you what you want to hear. If Biden is not supposed to be President, show me something which is not inane, arcane, profane or insane. Where I live, people believe that Biden won and Trump lost. If Lindell has proof and is holding on to it for whatever reason, he should produce it immediately if not sooner.
Quote from: sataspa on June 16, 2021, 08:36:55 PMI basically agree. Fancy graphics are not hard evidence.
That's like saying a fancy graphic of a stock market crash is not evidence of a market crash. Your desire to build straw-men will not be effective here, just FYI.
QuoteNeither is any website which exists to tell you what you want to hear.
Please post evidence from a website that Biden won from a website that doesn't tell us what we want to hear.
QuoteIf Biden is not supposed to be President,
You need to cut this "if" shit out. FACT: You have no evidence that Creepy won, yet we have an ocean of evidence that Trump won.
Quoteshow me something which is not inane, arcane, profane or insane.
Post an example.
QuoteWhere I live, people believe that Biden won and Trump lost.
No. Nobody believes that outside of a handful of anti-Trump radicals and losers.
QuoteIf Lindell has proof and is holding on to it for whatever reason, he should produce it immediately if not sooner.
He is. He's doing a massive convention with cyber-security professionals to come and scrutinze the data that you will ignore.
If you don't have the ballots, you didn't win the election. It's that simple.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/28/politics/poll-qanon-election-conspiracies/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/28/politics/poll-qanon-election-conspiracies/index.html)
Here in urban and suburban NJ, most people believe this. People who still insist that Trump is still President are increasingly considered crackpots who are being marginalized. I joined here hoping to get information that I could take back to my people so that they might reconsider, but instead I find myself being mocked or called a liberal. We are never going to get Trump back in the WH with the evidence and arguments that I am reading here.
Quote from: sataspa on June 16, 2021, 09:07:29 PMhttps://www.cnn.com/2021/05/28/politics/poll-qanon-election-conspiracies/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/28/politics/poll-qanon-election-conspiracies/index.html)
I didn't ask about crackpot fake-news websites like CNN. I asked you to provide a piece of data that you believe supports Creepy won, or a piece of evidence provided by us that you don't believe or is wrong.
QuoteHere in urban and suburban NJ, most people believe this. People who still insist that Trump is still President are increasingly considered crackpots who are being marginalized. I joined here hoping to get information that I could take back to my people so that they might reconsider, but instead I find myself being mocked or called a liberal. We are never going to get Trump back in the WH with the evidence and arguments that I am reading here.
You are unable to provide a piece of data for discussion. You know we know that, right?
Quote from: RV on June 16, 2021, 07:46:09 PMI'm having trouble distinguishing between "fake pcap data" and the blatant lies that the MSM and DNC is pushing out. It seems like we need factual truth rather than "fake" anything from anyone. Maybe Lindell had something in mind, maybe he was trying to excite the Liberals or maybe he was just trying to smoke the criminals out. Whatever his purpose was is not clear to me. As I said, there is far too much fake news, what needs to be pushed out are facts, truth and real data showing either that fraud happened, (as I suspect), or that the Libs were right and everything is on the up and up.
Then please look at those links and the pic in that post I referenced from earlier. It has facts, truth, and real data.
Now it is true there is more. Much much more coming. Like this stuff Lindell has, as well as the audits.
We already have an overwhelming avalanche of hard evidence proving this, yet it is going to turn into Noah's flood by the time this is over and not even the worst libtard bubble dwellers will be able to ignore it.
Quote from: taxed on June 16, 2021, 09:13:15 PMI didn't ask about crackpot fake-news websites like CNN. I asked you to provide a piece of data that you believe supports Creepy won, or a piece of evidence provided by us that you don't believe or is wrong.
You are unable to provide a piece of data for discussion. You know we know that, right?
I'm trying to tell you that when I try to convince my family and neighbors of what some of you are saying here, they don't believe me. I am also trying to tell you that if you believe that we can just make Trump President again based on what I am reading here, we will fail.
Quote from: sataspa on June 16, 2021, 08:36:55 PMI basically agree. Fancy graphics are not hard evidence. Neither is any website which exists to tell you what you want to hear. If Biden is not supposed to be President, show me something which is not inane, arcane, profane or insane. Where I live, people believe that Biden won and Trump lost. If Lindell has proof and is holding on to it for whatever reason, he should produce it immediately if not sooner.
Did you look at the hard evidence in my post and that graphic? If you have any evidence to counter that or would like to address those number and why they are fake go ahead, but will you acknowledge that you were wrong and the evidence does exist?
Quote from: sataspa on June 16, 2021, 09:07:29 PMhttps://www.cnn.com/2021/05/28/politics/poll-qanon-election-conspiracies/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/28/politics/poll-qanon-election-conspiracies/index.html)
Here in urban and suburban NJ, most people believe this. People who still insist that Trump is still President are increasingly considered crackpots who are being marginalized. I joined here hoping to get information that I could take back to my people so that they might reconsider, but instead I find myself being mocked or called a liberal. We are never going to get Trump back in the WH with the evidence and arguments that I am reading here.
Srry dear, but the MSM made up the entire russiagate hoax without evidence. They dont get to be taken seriously and counted as a source of anything other that deepstate lies. Statistically whatever they say, the opposite is most likely true. Try again if you have any real sources, otherwise retract your claim...
Quote from: T Hunt on June 16, 2021, 09:18:03 PMDid you look at the hard evidence in my post and that graphic? If you have any evidence to counter that or would like to address those number and why they are fake go ahead, but will you acknowledge that you were wrong and the evidence does exist?
I'm trying to tell you that we will not get Trump re-instated based on what you have shown me here.
Quote from: sataspa on June 16, 2021, 09:17:55 PMI'm trying to tell you that when I try to convince my family and neighbors of what some of you are saying here, they don't believe me.
I can believe that, because I don't believe you. You are unable to even put forth a piece of evidence for dispute.
QuoteI am also trying to tell you that if you believe that we can just make Trump President again based on what I am reading here, we will fail.
satas, you know we know that you're not a conservative, right? That's OK but I don't want you to continue with the facade.
I will ask you one more time: put forth a piece of evidence of which you dispute.
Quote from: sataspa on June 16, 2021, 09:19:54 PMI'm trying to tell you that we will not get Trump re-instated based on what you have shown me here.
We will get Trump back in office. He won the election. That's a fact.
Quote from: sataspa on June 16, 2021, 09:17:55 PMI'm trying to tell you that when I try to convince my family and neighbors of what some of you are saying here, they don't believe me. I am also trying to tell you that if you believe that we can just make Trump President again based on what I am reading here, we will fail.
1) It doesnt matter if they believe you or not, they are in the vast minority of people, like yourself, who wont even actually look at the evidence because they dont want it to be true. Most people voted trump and most know the election was stolen. We have already won the public opinion battle, its not an issue anymore.
2)WE will not be making trump president, he already is because he won. He will be walking back into the WH on his own two feet. If biden cannot prove he has the votes hes out, nothing he can do about it. The military is honor bound to the constitution so will obey trump, no choice. Trump has all the power here. The left has none at this point.
Quote from: taxed on June 16, 2021, 09:20:32 PMI can believe that, because I don't believe you. You are unable to even put forth a piece of evidence for dispute.
satas, you know we know that you're not a conservative, right? That's OK but I don't want you to continue with the facade.
I will ask you one more time: put forth a piece of evidence of which you dispute.
Not a conservative? I've worked for CT Whitman and Chris Christie and many other Republicans in NJ. Maybe you don't think that's conservative, but it's what we call conservative. I even supported Trump in 2020. But lately, I can make no sense of the arguments I am reading and hearing from too many people who call themselves conservatives. Some of it borders on crazy.
Quote from: sataspa on June 16, 2021, 09:19:54 PMI'm trying to tell you that we will not get Trump re-instated based on what you have shown me here.
No you made a claim that there was no evidence. Would you like to amend that claim to say something like, "I, sataspa, do not think there is enough evidence to reinstate trump."? Because that would be your opinion to which you are the primary source so it can be whatever. But to make a claim that there is no evidence is contrary to reality.
Quote from: sataspa on June 16, 2021, 09:29:28 PMNot a conservative? I've worked for CT Whitman and Chris Christie and many other Republicans in NJ.
That fact you don't even know that you proved my point is in itself very funny.
QuoteMaybe you don't think that's conservative,
Just maybe...
Quotebut it's what we call conservative.
I can tell by your inability to debate or discuss.
QuoteI even supported Trump in 2020. But lately, I can make no sense of the arguments I am reading and hearing from too many people who call themselves conservatives. Some of it borders on crazy.
Yet you can't even reference a piece of evidence for debate.
Going twice... put forth a piece of evidence of which you disagree.
Quote from: sataspa on June 16, 2021, 09:29:28 PMNot a conservative? I've worked for CT Whitman and Chris Christie and many other Republicans in NJ. Maybe you don't think that's conservative, but it's what we call conservative. I even supported Trump in 2020. But lately, I can make no sense of the arguments I am reading and hearing from too many people who call themselves conservatives. Some of it borders on crazy.
Sorry, based on what you are saying here I cannot consider you a conservative or even a patriot. I, in fact, suspect you are being paid or coerced into coming here and parroting the MSM since it is so close to some of the narratives they are pushing. But thats just my opinion...
Quote from: T Hunt on June 16, 2021, 09:30:24 PMNo you made a claim that there was no evidence. Would you like to amend that claim to say something like, "I, sataspa, do not think there is enough evidence to reinstate trump."? Because that would be your opinion to which you are the primary source so it can be whatever. But to make a claim that there is no evidence is contrary to reality.
I don't believe that I ever made such a claim. I believe that I asked to see evidence that I could use to prove to the people around me that Trump is still President. You seem to have misconstrued my statements into something which you want to believe that I said, which at this point doesn't surprise me. However, since I seem to be upsetting the apple cart, I will withdraw and retire for the night. Maybe the next time I see you, we can reach an understanding.
Quote from: sataspa on June 16, 2021, 09:38:34 PMI don't believe that I ever made such a claim. I believe that I asked to see evidence that I could use to prove to the people around me that Trump is still President. You seem to have misconstrued my statements into something which you want to believe that I said, which at this point doesn't surprise me. However, since I seem to be upsetting the apple cart, I will withdraw and retire for the night. Maybe the next time I see you, we can reach an understanding.
Your next post needs to be a piece of evidence of which you disagree or think is not true.
Quote from: sataspa on June 16, 2021, 09:38:34 PMI don't believe that I ever made such a claim. I believe that I asked to see evidence that I could use to prove to the people around me that Trump is still President. You seem to have misconstrued my statements into something which you want to believe that I said, which at this point doesn't surprise me. However, since I seem to be upsetting the apple cart, I will withdraw and retire for the night. Maybe the next time I see you, we can reach an understanding.
Nice try shill.
QuoteIf Trump won and still should be President, you'd think that it would be easier to provide straight forward evidence.
https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/index.php?msg=464803
Here you are saying that you have no evidence to provide(since simply sending it to someone is easy). I showed you the straight forward evidence. Now will you admit that it exists and can be provided?
Actually no, answer Taxed first. If you dont you wont be around anymore to answer me...
Quote from: T Hunt on June 16, 2021, 09:44:26 PMNice try shill.
https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/index.php?msg=464803
Here you are saying that you have no evidence to provide(since simply sending it to someone is easy). I showed you the straight forward evidence. Now will you admit that it exists and can be provided?
Actually no, answer Taxed first. If you dont you wont be around anymore to answer me...
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I did an article a year or so ago on how these libtards debate... https://conservativehardliner.com/debating-liberals
Quote from: sataspa on June 16, 2021, 09:07:29 PMhttps://www.cnn.com/2021/05/28/politics/poll-qanon-election-conspiracies/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/28/politics/poll-qanon-election-conspiracies/index.html)
Here in urban and suburban NJ, most people believe this. People who still insist that Trump is still President are increasingly considered crackpots who are being marginalized. I joined here hoping to get information that I could take back to my people so that they might reconsider, but instead I find myself being mocked or called a liberal. We are never going to get Trump back in the WH with the evidence and arguments that I am reading here.
It sounds like neither you or your friends want the truth, and no matter how long you all feed at the CNN troth, you'll never venture beyond herd mentality.
You've been given ample evidence, you refuse to accept the big picture and focus on that one little elusive pea in the corner that no one can get.
(https://www.cam.ac.uk/sites/www.cam.ac.uk/files/styles/content-885x432/public/news/research/news/151209pigseatingswillcropped.jpg?itok=kiphljNu)
Quote from: taxed on June 16, 2021, 09:39:47 PMYour next post needs to be a piece of evidence of which you disagree or think is not true.
I do find it rather odd that Democrats and their supporters have NO evidence, no proof and no facts of any kind yet they cling to the notion that Bejing Biden "won" and it's everyone else's responsibility to "prove" otherwise. It's sort of like, "yeah, we're lying but until you can prove that we're lying, we're never going to admit it."
Quote from: sataspa on June 16, 2021, 09:17:55 PMI'm trying to tell you that when I try to convince my family and neighbors of what some of you are saying here, they don't believe me. I am also trying to tell you that if you believe that we can just make Trump President again based on what I am reading here, we will fail.
:lol: :lol: Hell, we don't either. :lol: :lol:
Quote from: RV on June 17, 2021, 05:17:27 AMI do find it rather odd that Democrats and their supporters have NO evidence, no proof and no facts of any kind yet they cling to the notion that Bejing Biden "won" and it's everyone else's responsibility to "prove" otherwise. It's sort of like, "yeah, we're lying but until you can prove that we're lying, we're never going to admit it."
Exactly. Then, when we say "can we look at the ballots?", they freak out and yell "NO! IT'S OVER!!".
The reality is that the 2020 election was THE MOST OBVIOUS SCAM OF ALL TIME. Anyone arguing otherwise is either lying to you or brainwashed. Now this is getting slightly off topic, but hear me out....
....traveling over the weekend, I needed a pit stop for the bathroom. A line of me and one other older man in his 70's were waiting on the men's room. A woman comes out of the women's room, and I made the following joke. "In the new world we are supposed to go in if we identify that way". He laughed so I asked him whom he voted for. He said Biden so I asked him about the border situation and Harris's recent visit south.
He proceeded to argue with me how in the span of 16 months how climate change is the "root cause" of the border crisis.
This is the new world. People have become brainwashed. I walked away in disbelief.
The argument going on here over evidence is the same. Some people are beyond hope. It is sad for our country.
Quote from: esbad63 on June 17, 2021, 11:07:30 AMThe reality is that the 2020 election was THE MOST OBVIOUS SCAM OF ALL TIME. Anyone arguing otherwise is either lying to you or brainwashed. Now this is getting slightly off topic, but hear me out....
....traveling over the weekend, I needed a pit stop for the bathroom. A line of me and one other older man in his 70's were waiting on the men's room. A woman comes out of the women's room, and I made the following joke. "In the new world we are supposed to go in if we identify that way". He laughed so I asked him whom he voted for. He said Biden so I asked him about the border situation and Harris's recent visit south.
He proceeded to argue with me how in the span of 16 months how climate change is the "root cause" of the border crisis.
This is the new world. People have become brainwashed. I walked away in disbelief.
The argument going on here over evidence is the same. Some people are beyond hope. It is sad for our country.
It is frustrating so many are really ill informed. You indicated he was in his 70's. Could he be a "flower child" that survived?
It was 3 minutes of my life that proved that CNN has successfully brainwashed 20% of the population of the USA. I have no idea of his exact age or flower child status.
Quote from: taxed on June 10, 2021, 10:08:38 AMOh this is getting too easy...
https://conservativehardliner.com/confirmed-lindell-baited-enemy-fake-pcap-data
It wasn't bait. Lindell was duped.
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 17, 2021, 01:04:15 PMIt wasn't bait. Lindell was duped.
Good. You should be excited for the cyber forum, right?
Quote from: taxed on June 17, 2021, 01:36:57 PMGood. You should be excited for the cyber forum, right?
What is the cyber forum?
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 17, 2021, 01:42:51 PMWhat is the cyber forum?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I see you're really keeping up and taking this seriously.
Quote from: esbad63 on June 17, 2021, 11:07:30 AMThe reality is that the 2020 election was THE MOST OBVIOUS SCAM OF ALL TIME. Anyone arguing otherwise is either lying to you or brainwashed. Now this is getting slightly off topic, but hear me out....
....traveling over the weekend, I needed a pit stop for the bathroom. A line of me and one other older man in his 70's were waiting on the men's room. A woman comes out of the women's room, and I made the following joke. "In the new world we are supposed to go in if we identify that way". He laughed so I asked him whom he voted for. He said Biden so I asked him about the border situation and Harris's recent visit south.
He proceeded to argue with me how in the span of 16 months how climate change is the "root cause" of the border crisis.
This is the new world. People have become brainwashed. I walked away in disbelief.
The argument going on here over evidence is the same. Some people are beyond hope. It is sad for our country.
Right, if it hadn't been for "climate change and/or global warming", the Spanish-American war, the Civil War, WW1, WW2, and the Vietnam war would never have happened. Why I bet that it was "climate change and/or global warming" that caused Japan to attack us at Pearl Harbor. No doubt it was "climate change and/or global warming" that cause Bin Laden to attack the twin towers...
Hack I'm certain that the CHAZ/CHOP zone, the Riots and any other bad thing only happened because of "climate change and/or global warming". As a matter of fact, I would bet that if mankind can just lick "climate change and/or global warming", that there will never be any evil in the world ever again.
Quote from: taxed on June 17, 2021, 01:46:37 PM:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I see you're really keeping up and taking this seriously.
Not at all. This circus is embarrassing.
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 17, 2021, 02:20:08 PMNot at all. This circus is embarrassing.
I guess Canadians don't care much for this stuff.
Quote from: RV on June 17, 2021, 05:17:27 AMI do find it rather odd that Democrats and their supporters have NO evidence, no proof and no facts of any kind yet they cling to the notion that Bejing Biden "won" and it's everyone else's responsibility to "prove" otherwise. It's sort of like, "yeah, we're lying but until you can prove that we're lying, we're never going to admit it."
I haven't seen much evidence that the election was stolen. Mostly circumstantial.
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 18, 2021, 11:48:15 AMI haven't seen much evidence that the election was stolen. Mostly circumstantial.
Only because you don't want to admit the election was stolen. The entire world knows it was stolen for a candidate that couldn't generate more than 6 people at a rally.
And you can't see the obvious? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Solar on June 18, 2021, 12:11:48 PMOnly because you don't want to admit the election was stolen. The entire world knows it was stolen for a candidate that couldn't generate more than 6 people at a rally.
And you can't see the obvious? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
And that, sir, is precisely the type of circumstantial evidence I'm talking about. Thanks!
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 18, 2021, 11:48:15 AMI haven't seen much evidence that the election was stolen. Mostly circumstantial.
Old proverb where there's smoke, there's fire. All I can say is your not looking at the smoke coming coming out of the four states conducting audits of various aspects of their 2020 election results. Arizona, Georgia, New Hampshire, and Pennsylvania.
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 18, 2021, 12:23:17 PMAnd that, sir, is precisely the type of circumstantial evidence I'm talking about. Thanks!
Pitchblack? Does the fact that Trump won 90+ percent of the counties in the USA make you curious at all?
Does the fact that all six swing states are under the microscope for lacking a chain of custody for tens of thousands of mail in ballots that also lack signatures while occuring in the exact cities where Biden won 90+ percent of the mail in ballots?
Do you question why these SAME 6 voting districts where all of the above in under investigation were all subjected to a stoppage of the count between 10 and 11 pm on the night of the election?
Why did GA claim a pipe burst as the reason to stop the count, yet video shows the count continuing with only a few "selected" workers? Do you question this?
Does it arouse suspicion in your brain that without these 6 voting districts where evidence is piling up that Trump wins in a landslide?
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 18, 2021, 12:23:17 PMAnd that, sir, is precisely the type of circumstantial evidence I'm talking about. Thanks!
This thread is packed full of evidence, again, the fact that you refuse to see it is your problem, not mine.
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 18, 2021, 11:48:15 AMI haven't seen much evidence that the election was stolen. Mostly circumstantial.
I haven't seen ANY evidence that the election was "safe" and "fair" as the Democrats keep claiming. It's funny how witness statements are ignored and called "No evidence" in this instance yet, the same Democrats keep trying to push the ideology that victims of rape, assault, harassment, molestation, etc. are to be believed regardless of how much their claims are refuted.
Quote from: Solar on June 18, 2021, 01:32:14 PMThis thread is packed full of evidence, again, the fact that you refuse to see it is your problem, not mine.
Fair enough and I'm sure I haven't seen all of the evidence presented. What I've seen, like the lack of attendance at Biden rallies, isn't truly evidence.... but I don't want to derail the thread, so I'll just leave it at "it looks like Lindell was duped" on this piece of evidence.
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 18, 2021, 11:48:15 AMI haven't seen much evidence that the election was stolen. Mostly circumstantial.
https://hereistheevidence.com/
https://www.joecheated.com/
Both of those sites have tons of evidence.
Here is more.
(https://i.postimg.cc/NjVMbpPk/hussein-trump-creepy-2020-min.jpg)
Its both statistically and mathematically impossible for biden to have won.
https://patriotdailypress.com/2020/11/29/analysis-shows-biden-received-a-statistically-impossible-percentage-of-votes-from-ballot-dumps-in-georgia/
https://stillnessinthestorm.com/2021/01/expert-mathematician-says-impossible-for-biden-numbers-to-occur-naturally-steal-proven/
Now you have seen some of the evidence, so will you retract your claim that there is no more than circumstantial evidence?
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 18, 2021, 01:56:33 PMFair enough and I'm sure I haven't seen all of the evidence presented. What I've seen, like the lack of attendance at Biden rallies, isn't truly evidence.... but I don't want to derail the thread, so I'll just leave it at "it looks like Lindell was duped" on this piece of evidence.
What evidence do you have that Lindell was 'duped'?
Quote from: RV on June 18, 2021, 01:48:43 PMI haven't seen ANY evidence that the election was "safe" and "fair" as the Democrats keep claiming. It's funny how witness statements are ignored and called "No evidence" in this instance yet, the same Democrats keep trying to push the ideology that victims of rape, assault, harassment, molestation, etc. are to be believed regardless of how much their claims are refuted.
Right. Elections aren't a court of law. Biden didn't win until proven otherwise. Here the burden of proof is on Biden to prove his 'votes' were legit and legal, otherwise they simply aren't. Essentially, all votes are illegal until proven legal.
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 18, 2021, 01:56:33 PMFair enough and I'm sure I haven't seen all of the evidence presented. What I've seen, like the lack of attendance at Biden rallies, isn't truly evidence.... but I don't want to derail the thread, so I'll just leave it at "it looks like Lindell was duped" on this piece of evidence.
I've seen nothing to support your claim.
Also, if the Dims think Biteme won, why are they interfering with the recount? Wouldn't it be in their best interest to help with the audit? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Solar on June 18, 2021, 02:37:17 PMI've seen nothing to support your claim.
Also, if the Dims think Biteme won, why are they interfering with the recount? Wouldn't it be in their best interest to help with the audit? :rolleyes:
Recount or audit? I believe every state is legally required to do a recount under specific circumstances and all of them did.
Quote from: T Hunt on June 18, 2021, 02:09:40 PMWhat evidence do you have that Lindell was 'duped'?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence :smile:
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 18, 2021, 04:02:18 PMExtraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence :smile:
Were the machines connected to the internet?
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 18, 2021, 03:43:07 PMRecount or audit? I believe every state is legally required to do a recount under specific circumstances and all of them did.
Audit of course, they already tried to stop the recount and that failed miserably.
Now the DOJ threatened to interfere and the they threatened to lock his ass up if he came to the state and tried to interfere with a State sanctioned election.
Face it, Biteme lost, and the left is in a panic to stop it, because they know prison awaits them.
Quote from: taxed on June 18, 2021, 04:12:20 PMWere the machines connected to the internet?
He thought that was normal in DNC elections. :lol:
Quote from: Solar on June 18, 2021, 04:15:56 PMHe thought that was normal in DNC elections. :lol:
The machines on the internet one drives them bonkers and they avoid it like the plague. Once they do bite, they get so tangled up in it that they immediately want out.
Quote from: taxed on June 18, 2021, 04:18:12 PMThe machines on the internet one drives them bonkers and they avoid it like the plague. Once they do bite, they get so tangled up in it that they immediately want out.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Yeah, just more evidence he'll avoid. :biggrin:
Quote from: Solar on June 18, 2021, 04:19:19 PM:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Yeah, just more evidence he'll avoid. :biggrin:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
It's like passengers on the Titanic trying to avoid the ocean...
Quote from: taxed on June 18, 2021, 04:26:47 PM:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
It's like passengers on the Titanic trying to avoid the ocean...
And there simply isn't enough lifeboats. :biggrin:
Quote from: Solar on June 18, 2021, 04:15:56 PMHe thought that was normal in DNC elections. :lol:
I heard that about 30 were, yes. That isn't proof of fraud, just proof of internet connectivity.
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 18, 2021, 04:50:19 PMI heard that about 30 were, yes. That isn't proof of fraud, just proof of internet connectivity.
It's illegal! Man, you are one thick lib!
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 18, 2021, 04:50:19 PMI heard that about 30 were, yes. That isn't proof of fraud, just proof of internet connectivity.
Were the machines hacked?
Quote from: Solar on June 18, 2021, 04:51:22 PMIt's illegal! Man, you are one thick lib!
I agree, it should be addressed so it doesn't happen again, but do you agree that internet connectivity does automatically mean fraud happened?
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 18, 2021, 05:54:35 PMI agree, it should be addressed so it doesn't happen again, but do you agree that internet connectivity does automatically mean fraud happened?
The fact they're on the internet doesn't mean there's a low probability of being hacked. These machines are wide open, hence why they were hacked and accessed remotely.
Do you agree these machines are unsecure?
Quote from: taxed on June 18, 2021, 06:19:52 PMThe fact they're on the internet doesn't mean there's a low probability of being hacked. These machines are wide open, hence why they were hacked and accessed remotely.
Do you agree these machines are unsecure?
I would say the machines were not hacked. As they had the password(s) to go in and make adjustments as needed for Joe to win. Just being on-line makes the machines unsecure! Their for under control of whoever log in with a password.
Quote from: walkstall on June 18, 2021, 06:29:44 PMI would say the machines were not hacked. As they had the password(s) to go in and make adjustments as needed for Joe to win. Just being on-line makes the machines unsecure! Their for under control of whoever log in with a password.
Exactly! That's exactly what happened in Antrim County.
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 18, 2021, 05:54:35 PMI agree, it should be addressed so it doesn't happen again, but do you agree that internet connectivity does automatically mean fraud happened?
Absolutely not! Why else would you create a backdoor entrance?
It was proven the machines were accessed out of country, that's fraud. Are you learning something now?
Quote from: Solar on June 18, 2021, 06:56:14 PMAbsolutely not! Why else would you create a backdoor entrance?
It was proven the machines were accessed out of country, that's fraud. Are you learning something now?
I earned my living with computers as well as did some consulting work in computers. There is absolutely NO reason to hook a voting machine up to the Internet unless one is planning on the machine being accessed. I would agree that there is no way that I would say, state, claim nor even think that there was an Internet connection for anything else except fraud, manipulation and/or changing votes remotely. As has already been proven in certain states, the machines were accessed "anonymously" which to me PROVES that there was remote manipulation!
Quote from: RV on June 18, 2021, 07:21:16 PMI earned my living with computers as well as did some consulting work in computers. There is absolutely NO reason to hook a voting machine up to the Internet unless one is planning on the machine being accessed. I would agree that there is no way that I would say, state, claim nor even think that there was an Internet connection for anything else except fraud, manipulation and/or changing votes remotely. As has already been proven in certain states, the machines were accessed "anonymously" which to me PROVES that there was remote manipulation!
Absolutely. It's not like you hook a machine up to the internet and say "OK, NOBODY use it to send data out, and NOBODY connect to it!".
It would be like giving someone a car and saying "OK, NO DRIVING!".
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 18, 2021, 04:02:18 PMExtraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence :smile:
So you have no evidence for it? Will you then retract your claim that he was duped?
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 18, 2021, 04:50:19 PMI heard that about 30 were, yes. That isn't proof of fraud, just proof of internet connectivity.
It may not be proof but it is evidence, thus your claim is bunk.
And why are you ignoring all the evidence in my post?
https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/index.php?msg=465468
Will you now retract since you have seen the evidence?
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 18, 2021, 05:54:35 PMI agree, it should be addressed so it doesn't happen again, but do you agree that internet connectivity does automatically mean fraud happened?
Of course it means automatically means fraud happened. Its like water which always goes downhill due to gravity. Where fraud CAN occur, fraud HAS occurred.
Thats called logical thinking. If the opportunity for criminal activity exists then you know the left has already committed the crime.
Its just like anything the MSM says, you logically KNOW that the opposite is automatically true. You need lessons in critical thinking and common sense...
Quote from: RV on June 18, 2021, 07:21:16 PMI earned my living with computers as well as did some consulting work in computers. There is absolutely NO reason to hook a voting machine up to the Internet unless one is planning on the machine being accessed. I would agree that there is no way that I would say, state, claim nor even think that there was an Internet connection for anything else except fraud, manipulation and/or changing votes remotely. As has already been proven in certain states, the machines were accessed "anonymously" which to me PROVES that there was remote manipulation!
I think you are making too much sense. You scared him away. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: T Hunt on June 18, 2021, 09:08:50 PMI think you are making too much sense. You scared him away. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
It's funny how when the facts about the internet connection comes up, they scamper away...
Quote from: taxed on June 18, 2021, 07:43:57 PMAbsolutely. It's not like you hook a machine up to the internet and say "OK, NOBODY use it to send data out, and NOBODY connect to it!".
It would be like giving someone a car and saying "OK, NO DRIVING!".
There is a legitimate reason to connect, as the county in MI(?) found out the hard way - to download and install updates. I'd there a reason to intentionally leave them online? No, but mistakes happen. In this case about 30 nationwide.
Quote from: T Hunt on June 18, 2021, 09:06:40 PMOf course it means automatically means fraud happened. Its like water which always goes downhill due to gravity. Where fraud CAN occur, fraud HAS occurred.
Thats called logical thinking. If the opportunity for criminal activity exists then you know the left has already committed the crime.
Its just like anything the MSM says, you logically KNOW that the opposite is automatically true. You need lessons in critical thinking and common sense...
If I leave my car unlocked in front of my house, does that automatically mean it will be broken into, vandalized and I will be stolen from?
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 19, 2021, 08:23:34 AMThere is a legitimate reason to connect, as the county in MI(?) found out the hard way - to download and install updates. I'd there a reason to intentionally leave them online? No, but mistakes happen. In this case about 30 nationwide.
Oh, you mane the updates they did to the vote count to steal Trump votes?
Do you ever use critical thought?
Quote from: T Hunt on June 18, 2021, 09:02:41 PMIt may not be proof but it is evidence, thus your claim is bunk.
And why are you ignoring all the evidence in my post?
https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/index.php?msg=465468
Will you now retract since you have seen the evidence?
I haven't had a chance to look at it.
Quote from: Solar on June 19, 2021, 08:31:40 AMOh, you mane the updates they did to the vote count to steal Trump votes?
Do you ever use critical thought?
No, actual updates that are required by most computers.
I also haven't seen any reason to believe the updates were for stealing votes. I've seen assertions and accusations, but that's all.
Quote from: Solar on June 19, 2021, 08:31:40 AMOh, you mane the updates they did to the vote count to steal Trump votes?
Do you ever use critical thought?
Just like the counties that stole the vote, it's all a matter of location.
Where I live, I can leave the keys in my truck, but if you live in a liberal shithole, you're a fool.
And guess where most of the fraud occurred? Thanks for making our point.
You just as well give up, you lost this debate long ago, now you're just looking foolish.
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 19, 2021, 08:34:10 AMNo, actual updates that are required by most computers.
I also haven't seen any reason to believe the updates were for stealing votes. I've seen assertions and accusations, but that's all.
Are you serious? This was an election, there was no need for "Updates", the software was fine until the DNC changed the data.
Quote from: Solar on June 19, 2021, 08:36:37 AMAre you serious? This was an election, there was no need for "Updates", the software was fine until the DNC changed the data.
You're welcome to our opinion, but if the candidates names are part of the machine functionality, wouldn't you need to update before every election?
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 19, 2021, 08:30:50 AMIf I leave my car unlocked in front of my house, does that automatically mean it will be broken into, vandalized and I will be stolen from?
Well, there are fools and there are damned fools. :lol:
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 19, 2021, 08:48:19 AMYou're welcome to our opinion, but if the candidates names are part of the machine functionality, wouldn't you need to update before every election?
There you go again, moving the goal post. Key Words: "before every election", not after!
And no, you don't need to do it remotely, you have staff that take care of the machines under the watchful eyes of election monitors! That did not occur!
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 19, 2021, 08:23:34 AMThere is a legitimate reason to connect, as the county in MI(?) found out the hard way - to download and install updates. I'd there a reason to intentionally leave them online? No, but mistakes happen. In this case about 30 nationwide.
Yeah, "mistakes happen"... The votes were changed, "accidentally". The machines were accessed, "accidentally". The machines were connected to the Internet, "accidentally". I am sure that the Democrats will claim that though the machines were accessed anonymously, that it was all "coincidental" and "accidental" and had nothing whatsoever to do with the election nor who "won". The election just happened to go to a Democrat, "accidentally". Ain't it funny that everything is "accidental" in favor of the Democrat? I believe that HRC "accidentally" ordered her private server be install. I believe that HRC "accidentally" used a hammer on her electronic devices so that the DOJ would be unable to access them. I believe that all these people who had dirt on the Clinton crime family "accidentally" committed suicide. If someone is gullible enough to believe all that, have I got some bridges to sell them!
The cameras that were supposed to surveil Jeffery Epstein 24/7 just "accidentally" were not working. The people responsible for guarding him, "accidentally" fell asleep at just the right time. And lo' and behold Jeff "accidentally" committed suicide.
The "coincidences" are astounding and isn't it funny that all these "coincidences" always favor the Democrats?
Quote from: walkstall on June 19, 2021, 08:51:41 AMWell, there are fools and there are damned fools. :lol:
sure.... But you get what I'm saying. My father in law left his car running in his driveway ALL night and it was still there in the morning because, while someone could have stolen it, nobody did.
Back to the original topic....
I've worked with spreadsheets for decades and part of that time was spent also working in archaic DOS based programs. We used a DOS tool to update prices and costs for about 100 websites I co-managed. We could avoid manual data entry if we CAREFULLY copied the price/cost data from a spreadsheet and pasted it just right into the tool. If you had one extra space or one incorrect data type in one cell, the whole thing would error out and the screen would freak out. If you got it right, the data on the screen would flow smooth as silk until it was done. The video shows basically what I saw when the data loaded correctly - data smoothly flowing across the screen.
I also suspect they kept the window small and skinny to force the the data to flow longer. If you maximized the window, the data might be done in 60 seconds. By making it small, it takes much longer to finish. Kind of like pushing 5k gallons of water through a 1/2" PVC pipe vs 5k gallons of water through a fire hose.
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 19, 2021, 10:15:37 AMBack to the original topic....
I've worked with spreadsheets for decades and part of that time was spent also working in archaic DOS based programs. We used a DOS tool to update prices and costs for about 100 websites I co-managed. We could avoid manual data entry if we CAREFULLY copied the price/cost data from a spreadsheet and pasted it just right into the tool. If you had one extra space or one incorrect data type in one cell, the whole thing would error out and the screen would freak out. If you got it right, the data on the screen would flow smooth as silk until it was done. The video shows basically what I saw when the data loaded correctly - data smoothly flowing across the screen.
I also suspect they kept the window small and skinny to force the the data to flow longer. If you maximized the window, the data might be done in 60 seconds. By making it small, it takes much longer to finish. Kind of like pushing 5k gallons of water through a 1/2" PVC pipe vs 5k gallons of water through a fire hose.
Incidentally, I've done everything that you speak of and a whole lot more. I have created programs and even edited binary code to get data over to another format. I've done it all in my years as a "computer geek/Supervisor" and I still say that there are far too many "accidentals", "coincidences" and statistical impossibilities for the Presidential election to have gone the way it did. While people like yourself will put up every excuse as to why it's just a "conspiracy theory", those of us who know data, computers and Internet access are not fooled by the excuses.
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 19, 2021, 10:15:37 AMBack to the original topic....
I've worked with spreadsheets for decades and part of that time was spent also working in archaic DOS based programs. We used a DOS tool to update prices and costs for about 100 websites I co-managed. We could avoid manual data entry if we CAREFULLY copied the price/cost data from a spreadsheet and pasted it just right into the tool. If you had one extra space or one incorrect data type in one cell, the whole thing would error out and the screen would freak out. If you got it right, the data on the screen would flow smooth as silk until it was done. The video shows basically what I saw when the data loaded correctly - data smoothly flowing across the screen.
I also suspect they kept the window small and skinny to force the the data to flow longer. If you maximized the window, the data might be done in 60 seconds. By making it small, it takes much longer to finish. Kind of like pushing 5k gallons of water through a 1/2" PVC pipe vs 5k gallons of water through a fire hose.
Do you have any clue what today's wireless modems are capable of? Your ANAL-ogy, is just that!
Quote from: RV on June 19, 2021, 10:37:50 AMIncidentally, I've done everything that you speak of and a whole lot more. I have created programs and even edited binary code to get data over to another format. I've done it all in my years as a "computer geek/Supervisor" and I still say that there are far too many "accidentals", "coincidences" and statistical impossibilities for the Presidential election to have gone the way it did. While people like yourself will put up every excuse as to why it's just a "conspiracy theory", those of us who know data, computers and Internet access are not fooled by the excuses.
Do you agree that there's no reason for the captured data to be "flowing"? If it's captured on election night, it should be just a text file, not apparently still flowing and being captured.
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 19, 2021, 08:30:50 AMIf I leave my car unlocked in front of my house, does that automatically mean it will be broken into, vandalized and I will be stolen from?
If you live in a blue city then yes, absolutely. Good job thinking critically.
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 19, 2021, 08:34:10 AMNo, actual updates that are required by most computers.
I also haven't seen any reason to believe the updates were for stealing votes. I've seen assertions and accusations, but that's all.
You must be young. No most computers dont REQUIRE updates, and we never used to get them back in the day.
As I understand it most updates are for antivirus software and to fix glitches and bugs the devs missed when they first created whatever hardware or software. With voting machines neither of these are valid reasons.
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 19, 2021, 10:06:31 AMsure.... But you get what I'm saying. My father in law left his car running in his driveway ALL night and it was still there in the morning because, while someone could have stolen it, nobody did.
But you get what we are saying, right? That you can never do that when the left is involved, like in a blue city. Like I said, when the left is involved, if crime can happen it does happen, like water rolling downhill.
Quote from: RV on June 19, 2021, 09:42:53 AMYeah, "mistakes happen"... The votes were changed, "accidentally". The machines were accessed, "accidentally". The machines were connected to the Internet, "accidentally". I am sure that the Democrats will claim that though the machines were accessed anonymously, that it was all "coincidental" and "accidental" and had nothing whatsoever to do with the election nor who "won". The election just happened to go to a Democrat, "accidentally". Ain't it funny that everything is "accidental" in favor of the Democrat? I believe that HRC "accidentally" ordered her private server be install. I believe that HRC "accidentally" used a hammer on her electronic devices so that the DOJ would be unable to access them. I believe that all these people who had dirt on the Clinton crime family "accidentally" committed suicide. If someone is gullible enough to believe all that, have I got some bridges to sell them!
The cameras that were supposed to surveil Jeffery Epstein 24/7 just "accidentally" were not working. The people responsible for guarding him, "accidentally" fell asleep at just the right time. And lo' and behold Jeff "accidentally" committed suicide.
The "coincidences" are astounding and isn't it funny that all these "coincidences" always favor the Democrats?
And really, even if it was all an accident and no one can be held responsible, it still proves trump won and biden didnt get the votes and will have to leave.
But Lindell has the raw data PROVING it wasnt an accident and will be revealing it at some point.
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 19, 2021, 10:15:37 AMBack to the original topic....
I've worked with spreadsheets for decades and part of that time was spent also working in archaic DOS based programs. We used a DOS tool to update prices and costs for about 100 websites I co-managed. We could avoid manual data entry if we CAREFULLY copied the price/cost data from a spreadsheet and pasted it just right into the tool. If you had one extra space or one incorrect data type in one cell, the whole thing would error out and the screen would freak out. If you got it right, the data on the screen would flow smooth as silk until it was done.
Thats really not that hard. Copy AND pasting both only take a single click. I have to do what you are talking about to mod video games all the time. Getting massive amounts of info to copy and paste perfectly isnt hard for me, an amateur, so it certainly wont be hard for a pro.
QuoteThe video shows basically what I saw when the data loaded correctly - data smoothly flowing across the screen.
No the video doesnt show the data Lindell is talking about. Taxed went into that in depth. He has yet to make public the damning evidence he is referring too.
QuoteI also suspect they kept the window small and skinny to force the the data to flow longer. If you maximized the window, the data might be done in 60 seconds. By making it small, it takes much longer to finish. Kind of like pushing 5k gallons of water through a 1/2" PVC pipe vs 5k gallons of water through a fire hose.
There you go again, suspecting the right of foul play when there is no history to back that up. When has the right EVER done anything like that? The right is the one with the stellar reputation here while the dems have a reputation of doing wrong which is backed up by history. Remember, only the left pushed the fully debunked russiagate hoax WITHOUT EVIDENCE, thus destroying their entire movements credibility.
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 19, 2021, 08:32:08 AMI haven't had a chance to look at it.
Well how about you get on that instead of wasting our time here?
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 19, 2021, 11:11:29 AMDo you agree that there's no reason for the captured data to be "flowing"? If it's captured on election night, it should be just a text file, not apparently still flowing and being captured.
Can you accept that Lindell was not showing the relevant info he was talking about that day? Can you admit that this info on screen was probably just a prop for the audience and not meant to be the actual damning data under discussion but just to show the audience what generic data looks like? Why would he make that sensitive data public when he is planning a big reveal party?
You are attacking a strawman...
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 19, 2021, 10:06:31 AMsure.... But you get what I'm saying. My father in law left his car running in his driveway ALL night and it was still there in the morning because, while someone could have stolen it, nobody did.
Yes, your flinging poo like a good little Shill just to see if anything will stick.
Quote from: T Hunt on June 19, 2021, 11:31:51 AMYou must be young. No most computers dont REQUIRE updates, and we never used to get them back in the day.
As I understand it most updates are for antivirus software and to fix glitches and bugs the devs missed when they first created whatever hardware or software. With voting machines neither of these are valid reasons.
All Windows PC's receive security updates monthly, if not more often. Then, there are a bunch of non-urgent updates that are pushed out. I work for a company that uses Chromebooks, and Google pushes out updates nearly every week.
Based on what information do you believe that voting machines wouldn't require updates to the operating system?
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 19, 2021, 12:59:16 PMAll Windows PC's receive security updates monthly, if not more often. Then, there are a bunch of non-urgent updates that are pushed out. I work for a company that uses Chromebooks, and Google pushes out updates nearly every week.
Based on what information do you believe that voting machines wouldn't require updates to the operating system?
First of all, IF there were "updates" needed, they would NOT be done during the few days that elections take place. Secondly, as someone who has YEARS of experience in doing "updates", I have NEVER logged in "anonymously", EVER. Thirdly, if as you claim the "operating system" required updates, they would have and should have been done BEFORE the election, not during and certainly not afterwards when the machines were no longer needed. Fourthly, the fact that you are making such outlandish arguments tells me that you are not a Republican, not a Conservative and have virtually no experience with computers, networks nor systems as you claim!
Quote from: T Hunt on June 19, 2021, 11:43:42 AMThats really not that hard. Copy AND pasting both only take a single click. I have to do what you are talking about to mod video games all the time. Getting massive amounts of info to copy and paste perfectly isnt hard for me, an amateur, so it certainly wont be hard for a pro.
No the video doesnt show the data Lindell is talking about. Taxed went into that in depth. He has yet to make public the damning evidence he is referring too.
There you go again, suspecting the right of foul play when there is no history to back that up. When has the right EVER done anything like that? The right is the one with the stellar reputation here while the dems have a reputation of doing wrong which is backed up by history. Remember, only the left pushed the fully debunked russiagate hoax WITHOUT EVIDENCE, thus destroying their entire movements credibility.
I'm not accusing the Right of anything. I think Lindell was duped in this case and I'll bet the farm that nothing will ever come of this. It's all schenanigans by kids somewhere.
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 19, 2021, 08:23:34 AMThere is a legitimate reason to connect, as the county in MI(?) found out the hard way - to download and install updates. I'd there a reason to intentionally leave them online? No, but mistakes happen. In this case about 30 nationwide.
You just made our point. Those "updates" were to change Trump votes to Creepy.
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Quote from: p1tchblack on June 19, 2021, 08:30:50 AMIf I leave my car unlocked in front of my house, does that automatically mean it will be broken into, vandalized and I will be stolen from?
If the entire deep state knew that car was going to be parked there years in advance, and the Trump election depends on if there's any change in the ashtray, then what do you think?
Also, the car is a Jeep with the top and doors off, and the keys are in the ignition... and all the neighbors with security cameras are Republicans who hate Trump.
Quote from: Solar on June 19, 2021, 08:31:40 AMOh, you mane the updates they did to the vote count to steal Trump votes?
Do you ever use critical thought?
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They always walk right into that one...
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 19, 2021, 08:34:10 AMNo, actual updates that are required by most computers.
No. You do those locally.
QuoteI also haven't seen any reason to believe the updates were for stealing votes. I've seen assertions and accusations, but that's all.
This proves you have no idea what you're talking about, and refused to educate yourself on the topic.
You are spreading lies by posting stuff like this.
Quote from: taxed on June 19, 2021, 03:12:42 PMNo. You do those locally.
This proves you have no idea what you're talking about, and refused to educate yourself on the topic.
You are spreading lies by posting stuff like this.
They're installed locally, but downloaded first over the internet. We aren't sent discs or USB drives by Microsoft/Google/Apple to do updates.
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 19, 2021, 08:48:19 AMYou're welcome to our opinion, but if the candidates names are part of the machine functionality, wouldn't you need to update before every election?
You're not joking or trolling, are you? You honestly don't know how this works.
Wow.
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 19, 2021, 10:15:37 AMBack to the original topic....
I've worked with spreadsheets for decades and part of that time was spent also working in archaic DOS based programs. We used a DOS tool to update prices and costs for about 100 websites I co-managed. We could avoid manual data entry if we CAREFULLY copied the price/cost data from a spreadsheet and pasted it just right into the tool. If you had one extra space or one incorrect data type in one cell, the whole thing would error out and the screen would freak out. If you got it right, the data on the screen would flow smooth as silk until it was done. The video shows basically what I saw when the data loaded correctly - data smoothly flowing across the screen.
The video showed you no such thing, and our elections aren't determined by someone hopefully getting a copy and paste right.
QuoteI also suspect they kept the window small and skinny to force the the data to flow longer. If you maximized the window, the data might be done in 60 seconds.
This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
QuoteBy making it small, it takes much longer to finish. Kind of like pushing 5k gallons of water through a 1/2" PVC pipe vs 5k gallons of water through a fire hose.
I stand corrected... THIS is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Adjusting the size of your window has no effect on how fast writes are done to standard output... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 19, 2021, 03:17:02 PMThey're installed locally, but downloaded first over the internet. We aren't sent discs or USB drives by Microsoft/Google/Apple to do updates.
Wrong on so many levels!!!!
These machines must first be certified before an election. That's it!!!Just like a new gas station, all pumps must be calibrated before they are certified and good to go.
There are no God Damned Updates, get that shit out of your head, that's just a leftist excuse for getting caught rigging an election!
Quote from: taxed on June 19, 2021, 03:27:10 PMThe video showed you no such thing, and our elections aren't determined by someone hopefully getting a copy and paste right.
This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
I stand corrected... THIS is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Adjusting the size of your window has no effect on how fast writes are done to standard output... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Maybe they should get a bigger monitor... :rolleyes:
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 19, 2021, 03:17:02 PMThey're installed locally, but downloaded first over the internet. We aren't sent discs or USB drives by Microsoft/Google/Apple to do updates.
You update locally too. You're seriously not getting this?
Again, everyone and their Grandmother was told that these machines don't connect to the internet, PERIOD.
Quote from: Solar on June 19, 2021, 03:30:26 PM:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Maybe they should get a bigger monitor... :rolleyes:
They're SO dumb...
Quote from: Solar on June 19, 2021, 03:30:26 PM:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Maybe they should get a bigger monitor... :rolleyes:
Laugh out loud! Maybe room sized!
Quote from: RV on June 19, 2021, 04:08:49 PMLaugh out loud! Maybe room sized!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: taxed on June 19, 2021, 03:39:36 PMThey're SO dumb...
Quote from: taxed on June 19, 2021, 03:27:10 PMThis is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
I stand corrected... THIS is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Well he is from Arizona and he think Joe won.
Quote from: taxed on June 19, 2021, 03:35:53 PMYou update locally too. You're seriously not getting this?
Again, everyone and their Grandmother was told that these machines don't connect to the internet, PERIOD.
...no voting machines are "never" connected to the Internet. That is the CCP/Leftist/Communist/Propaganda narrative. Why the fact that the voting machines WERE connected to the Internet and the fact that the machines were accessed "anonymously" means nothing... "It's all just a right wing conspiracy!" And then of course there are the mountains of witness statements that the election was odd, the statistical anomalies and the improbabilities.
Oh we ignore THOSE witness statements because they don't support the liberal narrative. Witness statements about other things that are in support of the liberal narrative WILL be believed. The hyperbole and hypocrisy continues ad nauseum.
Quote from: RV on June 19, 2021, 04:21:14 PM...no voting machines are "never" connected to the Internet. That is the CCP/Leftist/Communist/Propaganda narrative. Why the fact that the voting machines WERE connected to the Internet and the fact that the machines were accessed "anonymously" means nothing... "It's all just a right wing conspiracy!" And then of course there are the mountains of witness statements that the election was odd, the statistical anomalies and the improbabilities.
Oh we ignore THOSE witness statements because they don't support the liberal narrative. Witness statements about other things that are in support of the liberal narrative WILL be believed. The hyperbole and hypocrisy continues ad nauseum.
No doubt. They lie outright, and don't bat an eye when they realize they've been spreading the lies. Instead, they get the new talking points and continue.
If I were told by sources I trust that something was true, and find out it wasn't, I would be furious. These libtards don't bat an eye.
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 19, 2021, 12:59:16 PMAll Windows PC's receive security updates monthly, if not more often. Then, there are a bunch of non-urgent updates that are pushed out. I work for a company that uses Chromebooks, and Google pushes out updates nearly every week.
Based on what information do you believe that voting machines wouldn't require updates to the operating system?
Thats actually a negative, so the onus of proof is actually on you to prove why they WOULD need updates...
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 19, 2021, 02:28:29 PMI'm not accusing the Right of anything. I think Lindell was duped in this case
Yes you are. Who duped Lindell? You are saying the Vast RightWing Conspiracy somehow duped Lindell to push the made up narrative that Trump won. Who else would you be saying duped him? Who else but the right would want to make up a lie that Trump won if he didnt?
Quoteand I'll bet the farm that nothing will ever come of this. It's all schenanigans by kids somewhere.
Why in the world would kids lift a finger to make it seem trump won if he didnt? They dont have a horse in this race. And how in the world would kids dupe the tech experts Lindell has shown this too? Try thinking, its cool.
Quote from: RV on June 19, 2021, 04:21:14 PM...no voting machines are "never" connected to the Internet. That is the CCP/Leftist/Communist/Propaganda narrative. Why the fact that the voting machines WERE connected to the Internet and the fact that the machines were accessed "anonymously" means nothing... "It's all just a right wing conspiracy!" And then of course there are the mountains of witness statements that the election was odd, the statistical anomalies and the improbabilities.
Oh we ignore THOSE witness statements because they don't support the liberal narrative. Witness statements about other things that are in support of the liberal narrative WILL be believed. The hyperbole and hypocrisy continues ad nauseum.
Good point. There was ONE witness for the Ukrainegate hoax. And the Russiagate hoax had literally NO EVIDENCE to support it. Witnesses who say covid bad are believed while ones who say HCQ works are not. Or scientists. Those who say only 2 genders or no man made climate change are ignored, while those who say 72 genders and world end soon are championed and celebrated. The left pushes an agenda while the right pushes principles.
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 19, 2021, 12:59:16 PMAll Windows PC's receive security updates monthly, if not more often. Then, there are a bunch of non-urgent updates that are pushed out. I work for a company that uses Chromebooks, and Google pushes out updates nearly every week.
Based on what information do you believe that voting machines wouldn't require updates to the operating system?
So let me get this straight. Microsoft pushes out crappy operating systems that are rushed out so quickly that they have to be patched monthly and you believe that the voting machines are just as crappy? We the tax payers are footing the bill for crappy machines and software so that our votes are negated and over-ruled by the highest bidder? So, you are attempting to justify the fraud because the hardware and software was crappy, am I understanding your comment correctly?
Quote from: RV on June 19, 2021, 07:34:34 PMSo let me get this straight. Microsoft pushes out crappy operating systems that are rushed out so quickly that they have to be patched monthly and you believe that the voting machines are just as crappy? We the tax payers are footing the bill for crappy machines and software so that our votes are negated and over-ruled by the highest bidder? So, you are attempting to justify the fraud because the hardware and software was crappy, am I understanding your comment correctly?
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Yeah, I caught that shit too, comparing voting machines to Windows. :rolleyes: I think more than just a crappy operating system, those so called updates are for govt spying. :sneaky:
Quote from: walkstall on June 19, 2021, 04:15:22 PMWell he is from Arizona and he think Joe won.
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Quote from: p1tchblack on June 19, 2021, 02:28:29 PMI'm not accusing the Right of anything. I think Lindell was duped in this case and I'll bet the farm that nothing will ever come of this. It's all schenanigans by kids somewhere.
A few of your posts back you thought window size affects writes to the output. Would you concede that maybe... just maybe you're not qualified in the least bit to say anyone got duped? If Lindell said anything as stupid as you did, I would concede he got duped, but nothing yet has happened.
Meanwhile, literally, your "window size" is the equivalent thinking there's such thing as blinker fluid.
Quote from: taxed on June 19, 2021, 08:58:13 PMA few of your posts back you thought window size affects writes to the output. Would you concede that maybe... just maybe you're not qualified in the least bit to say anyone got duped? If Lindell said anything as stupid as you did, I would concede he got duped, but nothing yet has happened.
Meanwhile, literally, your "window size" is the equivalent thinking there's such thing as blinker fluid.
At least they didn't send her out asking for piston return springs. Those are a real bitch to fine. :biggrin:
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 19, 2021, 03:17:02 PMThey're installed locally, but downloaded first over the internet. We aren't sent discs or USB drives by Microsoft/Google/Apple to do updates.
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Quote from: RV on June 19, 2021, 01:15:55 PMFirst of all, IF there were "updates" needed, they would NOT be done during the few days that elections take place.
agree
QuoteSecondly, as someone who has YEARS of experience in doing "updates", I have NEVER logged in "anonymously", EVER.
Not sure what you're referring to.
QuoteThirdly, if as you claim the "operating system" required updates, they would have and should have been done BEFORE the election, not during and certainly not afterwards when the machines were no longer needed.
I agree, but that doesn't mean that someone didn't screw up and forget to do the update before the election and tried to cover-up their error by doing it an inopportune time.
QuoteFourthly, the fact that you are making such outlandish arguments tells me that you are not a Republican, not a Conservative and have virtually no experience with computers, networks nor systems as you claim!
The only claim I've made was simply that most anything "computerized", including the machines in question, are very, very, very likely to need updates. Hell, my TV downloads updates.
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 20, 2021, 09:24:56 AMagree
Not sure what you're referring to.
I agree, but that doesn't mean that someone didn't screw up and forget to do the update before the election and tried to cover-up their error by doing it an inopportune time.The only claim I've made was simply that most anything "computerized", including the machines in question, are very, very, very likely to need updates. Hell, my TV downloads updates.
Your BS isn't landing. I can also hack your TV.
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 20, 2021, 09:24:56 AMagree
Not sure what you're referring to.
I agree, but that doesn't mean that someone didn't screw up and forget to do the update before the election and tried to cover-up their error by doing it an inopportune time.The only claim I've made was simply that most anything "computerized", including the machines in question, are very, very, very likely to need updates. Hell, my TV downloads updates.
That sounds pretty damn shallow. And you say you need to see evidence? :lol:
Quote from: Possum on June 20, 2021, 12:48:43 PMThat sounds pretty damn shallow. And you say you need to see evidence? :lol:
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Woops! I tripped, fell, and hit that machine and accidentally gave the election to Creepy...
Quote from: taxed on June 20, 2021, 12:33:11 PMYour BS isn't landing. I can also hack your TV.
His BS over hacking, is his attempt at distraction from all the rampant ballot fraud.
Quote from: Solar on June 20, 2021, 01:14:19 PMHis BS over hacking, is his attempt at distraction from all the rampant ballot fraud.
That too! I consider WI, PA, and GA done deals in terms of audits, and certifying for Trump. I'm getting interested in California. That's the one I want!!
Quote from: taxed on June 20, 2021, 01:19:13 PMThat too! I consider WI, PA, and GA done deals in terms of audits, and certifying for Trump. I'm getting interested in California. That's the one I want!!
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That will be desert after we eat the libs. :thumbsup:
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 20, 2021, 09:24:56 AMagree
Not sure what you're referring to.
What I am referring to is that no server, computer nor network EVER allows someone to log in "anonymously". In all my years I have NEVER, EVER seen ANYONE EVER log in to any system "anonymously". None of my subordinates could log in to ANYTHING "anonymously", none of the management nor supervision could EVER log in to anything "anonymously" and I have NEVER logged in to ANYTHING "anonymously". There is ALWAYS a log in, there is ALWAYS an admin and there is ALWAYS someone accountable for EVERY update, change, patch or download.
What I am referring to is the only reason that there would be an "anonymous" user, admin, etc. is to change the database without leaving an ID of who made the change. That is FRAUD!
Quote from: RV on June 20, 2021, 01:24:49 PMWhat I am referring to is that no server, computer nor network EVER allows someone to log in "anonymously". In all my years I have NEVER, EVER seen ANYONE EVER log in to any system "anonymously". None of my subordinates could log in to ANYTHING "anonymously", none of the management nor supervision could EVER log in to anything "anonymously" and I have NEVER logged in to ANYTHING "anonymously". There is ALWAYS a log in, there is ALWAYS an admin and there is ALWAYS someone accountable for EVERY update, change, patch or download.
What I am referring to is the only reason that there would be an "anonymous" user, admin, etc. is to change the database without leaving an ID of who made the change. That is FRAUD!
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Quote from: p1tchblack on June 20, 2021, 09:24:56 AMagree
Not sure what you're referring to.
I agree, but that doesn't mean that someone didn't screw up and forget to do the update before the election and tried to cover-up their error by doing it an inopportune time.The only claim I've made was simply that most anything "computerized", including the machines in question, are very, very, very likely to need updates. Hell, my TV downloads updates.
Why are you trying to put this in the best light possible? Why are you desperate to look at this glass as full as possible? But the thing is that what you are suggesting is actually impossible. There is no way out now, the left has been caught red handed and its obvious as hell for the vast majority of Americans.
Quote from: taxed on June 20, 2021, 01:04:59 PM:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Woops! I tripped, fell, and hit that machine and accidentally gave the election to Creepy...
He doesnt seem to realize that EVEN IF that were true, trump still gets to be president and not creepy. It being an accident wouldnt somehow excuse it. Like the clinton emails this would be criminal negligence if true.
Quote from: T Hunt on June 20, 2021, 02:27:30 PMHe doesnt seem to realize that EVEN IF that were true, trump still gets to be president and not creepy. It being an accident wouldnt somehow excuse it. Like the clinton emails this would be criminal negligence if true.
With every post he keeps pushing his agenda. HE not worth the money their paying him to troll. With every post he just flinging more BS, he in over his Pay Level. :lol:
Quote from: T Hunt on June 20, 2021, 02:27:30 PMHe doesnt seem to realize that EVEN IF that were true, trump still gets to be president and not creepy. It being an accident wouldnt somehow excuse it. Like the clinton emails this would be criminal negligence if true.
No question.
Quote from: RV on June 20, 2021, 01:24:49 PMWhat I am referring to is that no server, computer nor network EVER allows someone to log in "anonymously". In all my years I have NEVER, EVER seen ANYONE EVER log in to any system "anonymously". None of my subordinates could log in to ANYTHING "anonymously", none of the management nor supervision could EVER log in to anything "anonymously" and I have NEVER logged in to ANYTHING "anonymously". There is ALWAYS a log in, there is ALWAYS an admin and there is ALWAYS someone accountable for EVERY update, change, patch or download.
What I am referring to is the only reason that there would be an "anonymous" user, admin, etc. is to change the database without leaving an ID of who made the change. That is FRAUD!
Even p1tchblack should see the corner you just backed him into with the those hard facts.
Trolls clog up the board. Pitchblack is an obvious troll.
Can't you just put PB in a temporary (or permanent) timeout?
Quote from: esbad63 on June 21, 2021, 11:09:09 AMTrolls clog up the board. Pitchblack is an obvious troll.
Can't you just put PB in a temporary (or permanent) timeout?
For one simple reason, they afford us the chance to expose the leftist idiocy on every subject.
We are known for being a teaching forum, which is why we have such a huge reader base, they come here in hopes of understanding both sides of any given argument.
Truth is, even trolls are worth their weight in gold when it comes to exposing Marxism..
Quote from: esbad63 on June 21, 2021, 11:09:09 AMTrolls clog up the board. Pitchblack is an obvious troll.
Can't you just put PB in a temporary (or permanent) timeout?
Actually, he's the best one they have.
Quote from: taxed on June 21, 2021, 02:37:21 PMActually, he's the best one they have.
Now that's just sad. Even in a round room he gets put in the corner.
Quote from: T Hunt on June 20, 2021, 02:25:44 PMWhy are you trying to put this in the best light possible? Why are you desperate to look at this glass as full as possible? But the thing is that what you are suggesting is actually impossible. There is no way out now, the left has been caught red handed and its obvious as hell for the vast majority of Americans.
I'm not trying to paint anything in any light except the light of reality. The anonymous guy that Lindell interviewed provided absolutely nothing even close to evidence. He could have just as easily stated that he captured Big Foot, had him in his basement and then showed a pic of a gorilla to support his case.
The video quite literally showed nothing that could be remotely considered evidence of proof of anything. It was empty, unsupported talk.
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 23, 2021, 12:42:05 PMI'm not trying to paint anything in any light except the light of reality. The anonymous guy that Lindell interviewed provided absolutely nothing even close to evidence. He could have just as easily stated that he captured Big Foot, had him in his basement and then showed a pic of a gorilla to support his case.
The video quite literally showed nothing that could be remotely considered evidence of proof of anything. It was empty, unsupported talk.
JUST like your posts.
Quote from: walkstall on June 23, 2021, 01:00:55 PMJUST like your posts.
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No. I'm dead inside.
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 23, 2021, 02:28:37 PMNo. I'm dead inside.
That would be a meathead, dead from the neck up.
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 23, 2021, 12:42:05 PMI'm not trying to paint anything in any light except the light of reality. The anonymous guy that Lindell interviewed provided absolutely nothing even close to evidence. He could have just as easily stated that he captured Big Foot, had him in his basement and then showed a pic of a gorilla to support his case.
The video quite literally showed nothing that could be remotely considered evidence of proof of anything. It was empty, unsupported talk.
The Lindell video wasn't meant too show evidence, he was just telling us he had it, not showing us he had it. That's for his cyber forum.
By trying to say that he was trying to show us the evidence he was taking about, you are creating a strawman, in order to attack his credibility.
Or at the very least that's what the MSM is doing and you are parroting them.
Quote from: T Hunt on June 23, 2021, 10:14:11 PMThe Lindell video wasn't meant too show evidence, he was just telling us he had it, not showing us he had it. That's for his cyber forum.
By trying to say that he was trying to show us the evidence he was taking about, you are creating a strawman, in order to attack his credibility.
Or at the very least that's what the MSM is doing and you are parroting them.
Well first off, if it were me, I would NOT "show the evidence" to ANYONE but a court of law. Secondly, the DNC and the Dems have a track record of murdering ANYONE who they believe even remotely could prove evidence or witness against them. The murders are of course "suicides" with mysterious circumstances.
Thirdly, I would make certain that the evidence was in a couple of places and thus not able to be scuttled in one place.
Fourthly, the MSM will not publicize ANY evidence, proof, etc. because they are protecting their party members.
Quote from: T Hunt on June 23, 2021, 10:14:11 PMThe Lindell video wasn't meant too show evidence, he was just telling us he had it, not showing us he had it. That's for his cyber forum.
By trying to say that he was trying to show us the evidence he was taking about, you are creating a strawman, in order to attack his credibility.
Or at the very least that's what the MSM is doing and you are parroting them.
Well said! That is exactly what he did, just like the LSM, build a strawman and attack the shit out of it.
No matter how you slice it, his claim will go absolutely nowhere. He was played.
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 24, 2021, 12:34:44 PMNo matter how you slice it, his claim will go absolutely nowhere. He was played.
...well if the Marxists have anything to do with it anyway. As we have seen numerous times before, the MSM will do everything in their power to ignore it, scuttle it, silence anyway and everyone and provide false narrative about the information. If that fails there is always the "fact checking" route that the Marxists use to misinform the public about anything that contains truth or might show them as they really are.
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 24, 2021, 12:34:44 PMNo matter how you slice it, his claim will go absolutely nowhere. He was played.
You keep making that claim without providing any evidence. Do you have any evidence of your strawman claim, or will you retract it?
Quote from: p1tchblack on June 18, 2021, 11:48:15 AMI haven't seen much evidence that the election was stolen. Mostly circumstantial.
Hey I showed you the evidence.
https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/index.php?msg=465468
Will you now admit the election was stolen?
Quote from: T Hunt on June 19, 2021, 11:36:16 AMAnd really, even if it was all an accident and no one can be held responsible, it still proves trump won and biden didnt get the votes and will have to leave.
But Lindell has the raw data PROVING it wasnt an accident and will be revealing it at some point.
Maybe at that time I will be convinced. Still though, I've read all the links I can posted from this site and I remain unconvinced.
Quote from: T Hunt on June 25, 2021, 07:30:49 AMHey I showed you the evidence.
https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/index.php?msg=465468
Will you now admit the election was stolen?
Democrats will deny ANYTHING, any evidence, any proof, any witnesses or anything that shows their god, the Democrat party as errored, flawed, evil, corrupt, bigoted, racist or otherwise less than stellar as they imagine it. The Democrats are happy to believe the MSM and what is continually fed to them 24/7. The brainwashing and indoctrination has been going on since kindergarten and continues right up through college. Big Tech. has continued that drum beat non-stop that good is bad and bad is good. Any information, any witness that would go against the liberal narrative is labeled "misinformation" and abruptly censored and silenced.
Did anyone notice that the MSM continually "fact checked" and refuted ANYTHING President Trump said? I believe the narrative that the MSM used was that everything he said was a "lie". That same media will not "fact check" ANYTHING that Bejing says nor Komrad Harris and will never call ANYTHING they say as a "lie" even though it's been proven that most of what they are saying are blatant and provable lies.
Quote from: sataspa on June 25, 2021, 08:33:03 AMMaybe at that time I will be convinced. Still though, I've read all the links I can posted from this site and I remain unconvinced.
For clarification, I am still not convinced that regardless of what we think, those who believe that Biden won will suddenly agree that Trump won. Nothing that I have read here or anywhere convinces me that they will support reinstating Trump. They have moved on from the 2020 election and in their world, Biden is the President.
Quote from: sataspa on June 25, 2021, 08:33:03 AMMaybe at that time I will be convinced. Still though, I've read all the links I can posted from this site and I remain unconvinced.
Then youve seen the evidence PROVING it is mathematically and statistically impossible for biden to have won. Do you have any contrary evidence against that? Otherwise you have no evidence to back up your position...
Quote from: sataspa on June 25, 2021, 09:18:49 AMFor clarification, I am still not convinced that regardless of what we think, those who believe that Biden won will suddenly agree that Trump won.
The majority of the country thinks Trump won, and increasing with each poll (Rasmussen). Therefore, you believe a lie.
QuoteNothing that I have read here or anywhere convinces me that they will support reinstating Trump.
You are trying to build a strawman for an argument nobody was making. Nobody here cares if they would or wouldn't support "reinstating" Trump.
QuoteThey have moved on from the 2020 election and in their world, Biden is the President.
Odd, because they sure seem to care about the audits.
Quote from: sataspa on June 25, 2021, 09:18:49 AMFor clarification, I am still not convinced that regardless of what we think, those who believe that Biden won will suddenly agree that Trump won. Nothing that I have read here or anywhere convinces me that they will support reinstating Trump. They have moved on from the 2020 election and in their world, Biden is the President.
You need to recognize the difference between 'not convinced' and 'willful ignorance'.
Of course, the libs WANT biden president so they will try and move on. But thankfully their support simply isnt needed.
We dont need every american to agree, hell we dont even need the majority, even tho we have it, since this isnt a democracy. All we need are facts and truth, which is what we have, and facts and truth have never depended on human's beliefs. Reality is, thank God, objective.
Trump got the most votes, therefore he gets to be president. We dont need the left to believe he got the most votes, only that he did in fact get the most votes.
Trust me, there will be mucho sky screaming as trump gets back into the white house from all the snowflakes who dont want to believe it.