Returning to the central issue of you attacking the owner of this forum over what YOU think is HIS deficiency in Proper Conservative Thinking™.....

After you swamp us with unreadable big black blocs of dense-packed text, supposedly written in the heat of the moment but COMPLETE WITH INDENT POINTS....

What part about zealot isn't penetrating here, sonny? How thin must you wear your welcome, attacking the wrong side?

Quote from: quiller on August 13, 2013, 10:04:07 AM
Returning to the central issue of you attacking the owner of this forum over what YOU think is HIS deficiency in Proper Conservative Thinking™.....

After you swamp us with unreadable big black blocs of dense-packed text, supposedly written in the heat of the moment but COMPLETE WITH INDENT POINTS....

What part about zealot isn't penetrating here, sonny? How thin must uyou wear your welcome, attacking the wrong side?

hahahaha!... what do you mean by "indent points"? Is this curious reference, which I have no idea as to what you're referring, some sort of gotcha?

Solar and I were having a discussion about the Constitution, at least I was. He was spending more time fabricating things that I wasn't indicating, all while he demonstrates that regard for the Constitution is silly and destructive. 

And frankly, by now having to reference his irrelevant ownership of this forum, you're only highlighting the impotency of his responses, in addition to doubling down on your girlie Internet focus.

Your responses are getting ever more feeble. At least Solar made an effort.

Most here are ghosts over in the Constitution forum, with the notable exception kramarat and one or two others,  now I understand why. Six or seven years ago I was, generally, on par with pretty much everyone here, except I'm pretty certain I never would have even thought to utter the idea that elections are  an "attempt to enforce the Constitution".   It's amazing what focused study will do, not just casually reading these things. 

I sure as hell am not about to apologize for it.

Quote from: Trip on August 12, 2013, 10:48:12 PM
What are you waiting for coward?



No, you still don't see.  I gave you this answer in a less-thorough form previously, but you obviously your level ignorance is quite resilient and resistant to remedy.

Elections were pretty much irrelevant since the start of this country.   The founders did everything in their power to ensure that elections, the populist vote of the people, would do have the least effect on our government, and no effect on our form of government and what it might do:

• The election of Senators by state legislators, making them able to be recalled at the whim of that state legislatures;
• The election of President by the electoral Collect, and not actually by any direct populist election;
• The Supremacy Clause which indicates that the Constitution is the Law of the Land (not the voters, or the laws), and those laws are only valid if they are "pursuant to" the Constitution;
• The fact that even state laws, and foreign treaties must be "pursuant to" the Constitution;
• The Article 1, Section 8 "necessary and proper" clause that likewise indicates that those laws must be pursuant to the Constitution;
• The structure of the Constitution, and the specific enumerated powers to government, being based on the unalienable rights of individuals, not the result of an election;
• The further affirmation of these rights by the inclusion of the Bill of Rights;
• The Article II requirement that the office of President must be a natural born citizen, with this being unaffected, nor made irrelevant,  and by any popular vote.

Nowhere, not any where in the U.S. Constitution, NOR the writings of any of this nation's founders, is voting upheld as some noble undertaking in this Republic, much less one that is able to change what is done legitimately by government.   

Not even the adoption of the Constitution itself was done by any popular election, yet it is still described as "We, the people" and a government "of the people, by the people, and for the people". 

How do you imagine this might be true if populist elections were somehow sacred?

Even when voting is recognized by the Constitution, even in more recent amendments, the expression "right to vote" is only a rhetorical facility referencing the electoral franchise, with there being no actual positive right to vote recognized anywhere in the Constitution.  In fact the idea of voting being "a right" is ridiculous, as it involves others having to actively serve that alleged right. 

The idea of "the vote" being somehow sacred is in no way an ideology of this country, and is actually Socialism/Marxism.   Voting only allows one to determine who goes into office, how that office is populated, and then those office occupants determine to their best effect, what legislation that body might write, but that still must  always be "pursuant to" the Constitution.

And by the way, Boo, none of my plan involves any sort of "executive fiat", but that is what we have now in this corrupt form of government, fiat from all three branches of government, with the Executive, intended only to be an administrative post, now actually acting as more of an Imperial office.  The terms of the government are already established; why is that so difficult for your simpleton brain to grasp? 

So you can Take your "coward" and stick it where the sun don't shine, Boob, I mean Boo.

LOL!

So your plan is to eliminate elections.

Got it...

A zealot is someone who can dismiss the truth when it stares him straight in his eyes. I've been dismissed by far better for far less than this kid has done. But I WON'T hear his thoughts on the message of this image.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 13, 2013, 10:26:41 AM
LOL!

So your plan is to eliminate elections.

Got it...

You're like an ADD squirrel chasing a nut with this "election" focus.  No, I never said anything about eliminating elections.  Those elections are just not what you imagine them to be.  That is undoubtedly the product of your public school edumacation.

You need some sort of Cliff's Notes for this discussion, and probably a Cliff's Notes to the Cliff's Notes too.

Quote from: Trip on August 13, 2013, 10:33:44 AM
You're like an ADD squirrel chasing a nut with this "election" focus.  No, I never said anything about eliminating elections.  Those elections are just not what you imagine them to be.  That is undoubtedly the product of your public school edumacation.

You need some sort of Cliff's Notes for this discussion, and probably a Cliff's Notes to the Cliff's Notes too.

I got it cupcake, elections don't matter. What's your plan? Pick names out of a hat?

Quote from: quiller on August 13, 2013, 10:30:24 AM
A zealot is someone who can dismiss the truth when it stares him straight in his eyes. I've been dismissed by far better for far less than this kid has done. But I WON'T hear his thoughts on the message of this image.

Or this.....

Quote from: quiller on August 13, 2013, 10:30:24 AM
A zealot is someone who can dismiss the truth when it stares him straight in his eyes. I've been dismissed by far better for far less than this kid has done. But I WON'T hear his thoughts on the message of this image.

Alrighty, Slick. 

Bring me some Truth.   You got any game at all to bring to this discussion whatsoever?

I've seen the ugliness of the left's M.O. and mentality first hand, and you're not bringing anything to the table at all.  I once had a Judge stammering in her own court, and so desperate to get to her prejudicial outcome and impugn myself and a company,  that she locked me up for two hours,  which was the longest she could hold me without any charge. I had made certain my responses did not exhibit any sort of contempt of court.   The result of her efforts was that concrete information made it to the media, and the woman was ultimately disbarred.

At this point you're doing nothing but pissing into the wind, and making yourself look like an idiot.

But if you throw up s'more pretty pictures and pretend they're an argument, I'll give you a Deluxe Crayola Crayon box as a reward.

Aw, the little kid doesn't LIKE being patted on the head and told to simmer down before the adults have to spank.  You can just FEEL all that love and admiration for others in everything he says, it's just dripping with praise and support.

Why, ANY newbie lurker drive-by curiosity-seeking thrill-rider could storm through this joint and think it was something out of a Morris Dees nightmare (or wet dream, I don't see him doing that to LIBERAL hate groups....).

Yup, we sure do sound like we get along with a howling child demanding everybody feed him and treat him civilly, as he degrades everyone in sight.

Calm your act down and behave like an adult. Stop leveling bullshit charges against people A LOT OF US know to be 100% different than you describe.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 13, 2013, 10:37:17 AM
I got it cupcake, elections don't matter. What's your plan? Pick names out of a hat?

No, you don't got it, simpleton.


Here, I'll type this out more slowly this time:  "Those elections are just not what you imagine them to be. "

Now I'll provide the Cliff's Notes explanation:  Elections are not to determine what actions of government are valid, and certainly are not an "attempt to enforce the Constitution".  Elections don't even ensure that the representative will do what you want them to do even if that is within the terms of the Constitution. 

Elections are largely a waste of time, but then the founders view of the federal government was that it shouldn't have to do any sort of heroic actions to change the direction of the nation, much less dictate the terms of people's lives, and in fact the founders deliberately prohibited the government from having that authority.

Unfortunately persons like yourself that have been baptized in the Progressive ideology really cannot conceive of this.

Quote from: Trip on August 13, 2013, 07:37:23 AM
Your attention span must be sharter than your grasp. NOwhere have I advocated war, which is another of your strawman arguments.

Go turn back in this thread, I've detailed 3 things - 1) Nullification 2) Grand Jury and 3) Civil Disobedience.

All pomp and circumstance, 1) Nullification, nullify what, and by whom, you and what imaginary army?
2) Grand Jury, more pomp, you need a DA willing to put his ass on the line, and for what, symbolism?
3) Civil Disobedience?
You live in a dream world...What, stop paying taxes?

Not one thing you've mentioned amounts to pissing on a volcano to stop it's eruption, we, the Conservative base are tearing down the liberal structure and building a movement willing to and certainly make a difference.
All the while you run around protesting? Yeah, that'll scare the crap out of them.

Quote from: Trip on August 13, 2013, 10:55:32 AM
No, you don't got it, simpleton.


Here, I'll type this out more slowly this time:  "Those elections are just not what you imagine them to be. "

Now I'll provide the Cliff's Notes explanation:  Elections are not to determine what actions of government are valid, and certainly are not an "attempt to enforce the Constitution".  Elections don't even ensure that the representative will do what you want them to do even if that is within the terms of the Constitution. 

Elections are largely a waste of time, but then the founders view of the federal government was that it shouldn't have to do any sort of heroic actions to change the direction of the nation, much less dictate the terms of people's lives, and in fact the founders deliberately prohibited the government from having that authority.

Unfortunately persons like yourself that have been baptized in the Progressive ideology really cannot conceive of this.

Strawmen hyperbole and lies oh my!

Quote from: Solar on August 13, 2013, 10:58:53 AM
All pomp and circumstance, 1) Nullification, nullify what, and by whom, you and what imaginary army?
2) Grand Jury, more pomp, you need a DA willing to put his ass on the line, and for what, symbolism?
3) Civil Disobedience?
You live in a dream world...What, stop paying taxes?

Not one thing you've mentioned amounts to pissing on a volcano to stop it's eruption, we, the Conservative base are tearing down the liberal structure and building a movement willing to and certainly make a difference.
All the while you run around protesting? Yeah, that'll scare the crap out of them.

The shallowness of your examination is why your arguments are so shallow.

You can find a thorough discussion of nullification in my signature reference.  And I've provided link to a thorough discussion of what exactly Grand Juries are, and they are not summoned and directed at the behest of a District Attorney.

And if you imagine the Constituton to be nothing but symbolism, then you are the 
pathetic symbol of a Conservative forum in name only. a loose collection of intellectual deficients  that would need to borrow a quarter more brain to  rise to halfwit status.

You're allegedly the leader of this place, allegedly a conservative, and you cannot muster even a coherent  argument to save your ass, much less one referencing the Constitution and this nation's founding principles.

I challenge you to and pick any of those threads I've started over in the Constitution, and endeavor to actually argue with references (not to me) against my position.  I'm quite certain you're utterly incapable of doing so, but here you're wanting to wrongly condemn me for falsely dictating a forum, which never happened, when you don't even have firepower to argue in your own!

You're not the "conservative base", you're not even any hint of being a Conservative!  You mouthe conservative pablum, but nowhere do you have the foundation upon which conservative ideology is based, thus  you reduce everything to empty opinion, rather than a founded argument.  Unfortunately (for you) there are Conservatives that do know the country, and are founded in real principle. 

The idea of "less government" doesn't make one a conservative, it makes one a pointless whiner without any plan and without any hope of achieving any goal!  But the worst part is you cannot even wrap your mind around the fact why your approach is not only preordained to failure, but is certain to undermine the very Constitutional government which we all are guaranteed! 

That shows your outlook to be more than just naive, and actually being a hazard.

Quote from: Trip on August 13, 2013, 11:13:39 AM
The shallowness of your examination is why your arguments are so shallow.

You can find a thorough discussion of nullification in my signature reference.  And I've provided link to a thorough discussion of what exactly Grand Juries are, and they are not summoned and directed at the behest of a District Attorney.

And if you imagine the Constituton to be nothing but symbolism, then you are the 
pathetic symbol of a Conservative forum in name only. a loose collection of intellectual deficients  that would need to borrow a quarter more brain to  rise to halfwit status.

You're allegedly the leader of this place, allegedly a conservative, and you cannot muster even a coherent  argument to save your ass, much less one referencing the Constitution and this nation's founding principles.

I challenge you to and pick any of those threads I've started over in the Constitution, and endeavor to actually argue with references (not to me) against my position.  I'm quite certain you're utterly incapable of doing so, but here you're wanting to wrongly condemn me for falsely dictating a forum, which never happened, when you don't even have firepower to argue in your own!

You're not the "conservative base", you're not even any hint of being a Conservative!  You mouthe conservative pablum, but nowhere do you have the foundation upon which conservative ideology is based, thus  you reduce everything to empty opinion, rather than a founded argument.  Unfortunately (for you) there are Conservatives that do know the country, and are founded in real principle. 

The idea of "less government" doesn't make one a conservative, it makes one a pointless whiner without any plan and without any hope of achieving any goal!  But the worst part is you cannot even wrap your mind around the fact why your approach is not only preordained to failure, but is certain to undermine the very Constitutional government which we all are guaranteed! 

That shows your outlook to be more than just naive, and actually being a hazard.

Wrong!!!
This exposes your ignorance of human nature.
Right now, we have a movement underway, one that IS facilitating change, but you, for some strange reason seem to believe you have an army waiting in the wings for your beckon call, but have yet to show evidence of your claims.

Sure, I can claim that the next POTUS will be a solid Conservative, just because I say so, but don't ask me to provide proof, because just like you, I'd expose what a fool I am.

Trip, give it up, all you're managing to do is look even more foolish with your every post.
Just making claims as to how things should be as opposed to what is actually taking place is an is validating the very definition of insanity.

Let Shenanigans hold first place as forum fool, you don't want Trip to become synonymous with fool, now do you?
That would be a "Trip".

Looks like I missed all the fun!