Reports are that Ben Carson's campaign manager and communications director have resigned. Could this be the beginning of the end of the Carson bid. Now that would REALLY shake up the race!!!
The `Pub field starts to narrow. :popcorn:
Shows loyalty beyond beneficial limits.
Ben is a good man, and this is a good example, but his campaign has been suffering for a third of the race, so what this exposes to me anyway is, someone that can't do what's necessary when the time comes, like firing his staff.
Not what I look for in a President.
Yeah, I suspect we are watching the beginning of the end for Dr. Carson.
He is a nice man but a presidential campaign challenges the smartest of people. This illustrates just how critical a campaign's management is to the success of a candidate! Apparently Carson picked the wrong staff early in his campaign.
Quote from: Bowhntr on December 31, 2015, 12:13:46 PM
Reports are that Ben Carson's campaign manager and communications director have resigned. Could this be the beginning of the end of the Carson bid. Now that would REALLY shake up the race!!!
Good point Bow. I would think Cruz would acquire most of his support.
Dr. Carson raised more money than Sen. Cruz in the 4th quarter -
$23 million vs. $20 million.
But the voters are shifting over to Cruz.
Maybe Dr. Carson should just go with them.
I suppose he probably will, after Iowa, I would think.
I hope he doesn't blow all the money, first!
Quote from: tac on December 31, 2015, 12:38:22 PM
The `Pub field starts to narrow. :popcorn:
Yeah, except we want the unabashed Socialists & RINOs to bow out first.
Quote from: Solar on December 31, 2015, 12:50:11 PM
Shows loyalty beyond beneficial limits.
Ben is a good man, and this is a good example, but his campaign has been suffering for a third of the race, so what this exposes to me anyway is, someone that can't do what's necessary when the time comes, like firing his staff.
Not what I look for in a President.
Well, the problem is not with his staff, its his personality that's doing him in. He doesn't have the personality to be an effective leader. He appears not only meek, but weak. He also, like Trump, isn't a seasoned Conservative. I always said HE won't make it far in the process. It'll be Trump or Cruz.
And the mystery here is that despite so many staffing issues he still evidently raised more this last quarter than did anyone else on the GOP side. It simply doesn't equate.
Quote from: quiller on January 01, 2016, 01:51:59 AM
And the mystery here is that despite so many staffing issues he still evidently raised more this last quarter than did anyone else on the GOP side. It simply doesn't equate.
Because, despite his failure in picking a quality staff, people saw something they liked in the man.
Fortunately for us, the country doesn't elect people based on their ability to fund raise, think Klinton....
I started out supported Dr Carson, really really like the man but as time has went on realized he isn't ready for the job. He would make an awesome SG tho...
Quote from: AmericanMom on January 01, 2016, 07:01:49 AM
I started out supported Dr Carson, really really like the man but as time has went on realized he isn't ready for the job. He would make an awesome SG tho...
Oh my great point. If you look at the GOP field you can see cabinet post after post. Carson SG or SecHHS, Christie AG, Trump SecCommerce..it goes on. However, we have to get Cruz as POTUS!
Quote from: Bowhntr on January 01, 2016, 07:05:51 AM
Oh my great point. If you look at the GOP field you can see cabinet post after post. Carson SG or SecHHS, Christie AG, Trump SecCommerce..it goes on. However, we have to get Cruz as POTUS!
Send trump back to the private sector, I believe his tv show has suffered without him :ttoung:
If you strip everything down, Carson's the only one of the Republican candidates to confront obama and verbally bash one of his policies face-to-face, in front of an audience.
But his campaign hasn't capitalized on it.
Quote from: carlb on January 01, 2016, 12:59:00 AM
Well, the problem is not with his staff, its his personality that's doing him in. He doesn't have the personality to be an effective leader. He appears not only meek, but weak. He also, like Trump, isn't a seasoned Conservative. I always said HE won't make it far in the process. It'll be Trump or Cruz.
Good summary!
Not to imply Carson would become another Obama - we don't need another
on-the-job-training-President.
We need a President of Americans, not of just his supporters (and punish his enemies), President.
Quote from: Bowhntr on January 01, 2016, 07:05:51 AM
Oh my great point. If you look at the GOP field you can see cabinet post after post. Carson SG or SecHHS, Christie AG, Trump SecCommerce..it goes on. However, we have to get Cruz as POTUS!
Christie AG. :confused:
Quote from: walkstall on January 01, 2016, 07:25:50 AM
Christie AG. :confused:
Chris needs to just fade away... Heck, cant even trust the guy with bringing in the doughnuts everyday :lol:
Quote from: walkstall on January 01, 2016, 07:25:50 AM
Christie AG. :confused:
Sure. That is where he made his mark as a lawyer. I am speaking only in terms of those running though. I know there are better out there.
Cabinet Posts? Quite frankly - I'm ready to start with HALF the government departments GOING AWAY!!!
Sorry Chris Christie, we don't have an AG post anymore, that authority rests with the States, not in DC.
Secretary of Agriculture? Secretary of Health & Human Services?
Heck, just add a Secretary of Political Correctness, let all the Libs flock into that department and disband it.
Change the Secretary of Defense to Secretary of War & strip all the rules of engagement.
I like Dr. Carson. I think he is a fine man, a man of integrity. But his life experience doesn't qualify him to be President.
Ben Carson has said too many things that have been spun to make him sound crazy. I think that's the real reason he is losing support. As much as people don't like "politicians", the words you choose when applying for the job of president (if you're Republican) require precision or the media will rip you apart. Of course, Trump doesn't talk with precision, but for whatever reason media attacks help him.
Hopefully Carson's support will go to Cruz who has proven to be much sharper in the debates and interviews.
Quote from: Conservative IQ on January 01, 2016, 06:13:56 PM
Ben Carson has said too many things that have been spun to make him sound crazy. I think that's the real reason he is losing support. As much as people don't like "politicians", the words you choose when applying for the job of president (if you're Republican) require precision or the media will rip you apart.
Carson did say some pretty ignorant things, like banning assault weapons only in cities, that really pissed off the base.
But you're right, they did attack him for Conservative policy, which is what leftists do.
QuoteOf course, Trump doesn't talk with precision, but for whatever reason media attacks help him
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They've handled him with babywipes. Think back to the treatment Palin recieved by comprison.
The media has propped trump up.
QuoteHopefully Carson's support will go to Cruz who has proven to be much sharper in the debates and interviews.
Me too, but it will go a long way if Carson supports Cruz when he bows out, and I believe he just might.
Quote from: Solar on January 01, 2016, 06:33:13 PM
They've handled him with babywipes. Think back to the treatment Palin recieved by comprison.
I guess that's probably true I haven't watched enough left wing media to compare how they're treating him. But they see him as the least electable so it would make sense that they want him as the candidate.
Quote from: Conservative IQ on January 01, 2016, 06:37:41 PM
I guess that's probably true I haven't watched enough left wing media to compare how they're treating him. But they see him as the least electable so it would make sense that they want him as the candidate.
Exactly!!!
It's coming to an end. Iowa should clear the field. Aside from Jebbers. He's going down flailing.Or should I say failing...
Quote from: je_freedom on December 31, 2015, 02:28:31 PM
Dr. Carson raised more money than Sen. Cruz in the 4th quarter -
$23 million vs. $20 million.
But the voters are shifting over to Cruz.
Maybe Dr. Carson should just go with them.
I suppose he probably will, after Iowa, I would think.
I hope he doesn't blow all the money, first!
Yes, but 90 cents of every dollar fuels Carson's fund raising. If he brought in $100mm off $99mm, then Cruz still raised more. Carson's burn rate is catching up quick.
Quote from: taxed on January 02, 2016, 02:52:38 PM
Yes, but 90 cents of every dollar fuels Carson's fund raising. If he brought in $100mm off $99mm, then Cruz still raised more. Carson's burn rate is catching up quick.
His burn rate is larger than Bush's. His campaign is on its last legs.
Carson for President? Not so much for me. A great voice for the moral majority, yes. I just have not heard the encouragement from him that I needed to hear that would insure me that he would be our first choice for president. So far, Cruz has been the only candidate that puts it on the line as to what true conservatives expect out of their first choice for the next president.
Quote from: AmericanMom on January 01, 2016, 07:01:49 AM
I started out supported Dr Carson, really really like the man but as time has went on realized he isn't ready for the job. He would make an awesome SG tho...
I believe the man has an honesty streak a mile wide, and as proved by his being a pediatric neurosurgeon, immensely intelligent...and probably beats all other candidates in both areas. I do, however, agree that he is not ready for the position as POTUS.
Quote from: Traninit on January 04, 2016, 05:31:58 PM
I believe the man has an honesty streak a mile wide, and as proved by his being a pediatric neurosurgeon, immensely intelligent...and probably beats all other candidates in both areas. I do, however, agree that he is not ready for the position as POTUS.
He is better than Trump, though. You have to give him that.
Quote from: taxed on January 04, 2016, 05:35:27 PM
He is better than Trump, though. You have to give him that.
I worry that Carson may be too demure in a time when courage, action and vigilance is past due.
Quote from: Traninit on January 05, 2016, 11:41:51 AM
I worry that Carson may be too demure in a time when courage, action and vigilance is past due.
Unfortunately for Carson, this political shake up in his campaign staff has occurred much to late into the campaign. Changing gears in the home stretch is almost certainly disastrous.
Quote from: kroz on January 05, 2016, 11:46:12 AM
Unfortunately for Carson, this political shake up in his campaign staff has occurred much to late into the campaign. Changing gears in the home stretch is almost certainly disastrous.
Agreed. It's a shame as far as I'm concerned. Even with his potential faults as POTUS, when I initially saw and heard the man speak, I thought to myself "This may well be the first honorable candidate I've ever seen". Where was he when the nation was ready for the first Black President? Oh well, Obozo probably would have beat him anyway with his "golden tongue".
Quote from: Traninit on January 05, 2016, 12:04:06 PM
Agreed. It's a shame as far as I'm concerned. Even with his potential faults as POTUS, when I initially saw and heard the man speak, I thought to myself "This may well be the first honorable candidate I've ever seen". Where was he when the nation was ready for the first Black President? Oh well, Obozo probably would have beat him anyway with his "golden tongue".
Yes I agree. Carson is a very nice man with much to admire about his life.
Quote from: Traninit on January 05, 2016, 12:04:06 PM
Agreed. It's a shame as far as I'm concerned. Even with his potential faults as POTUS, when I initially saw and heard the man speak, I thought to myself "This may well be the first honorable candidate I've ever seen". Where was he when the nation was ready for the first Black President? Oh well, Obozo probably would have beat him anyway with his "golden tongue".
I take it you weren't lucky enough to experience Reagan?
Carson's campaign was in trouble, as far as I am concerned, when he decided semi-auto weapons were anathema in a big city environment.
Quote from: Shooterman on January 05, 2016, 02:40:55 PM
Carson's campaign was in trouble, as far as I am concerned, when he decided semi-auto weapons were anathema in a big city environment.
I agree. I think he backtracked that statement.
But once words are spoken you really cannot take them back.
Quote from: Shooterman on January 05, 2016, 02:40:55 PM
Carson's campaign was in trouble, as far as I am concerned, when he decided semi-auto weapons were anathema in a big city environment.
Thanks for sharing that. I haven't seen his quote before or heard it. Not good. It doesn't set well with me at all either. The 2nd amendment doesn't specify that the right to keep and bear arms is determined by a specified population. Hmmm. :huh:
Quote from: Shooterman on January 05, 2016, 02:40:55 PM
Carson's campaign was in trouble, as far as I am concerned, when he decided semi-auto weapons were anathema in a big city environment.
Yup - we need well-reasoned, strong leadership - I should really say, strong
representation in a President.
Really tired of being mis-represented, "The American People this & that...", so I look around, and don't know who the heck this guy is talking about, he's talking down to me, though... It is about time the true consensus of the American people hear their voice in a strong, singular echo, coming from the White House - no more divisiveness.
Ben Carson, nice guy, has a heartwarming tone, for heartwarming times - which this is not. The country is being flooded with dangerous illegals, and any suggestion of disarming in the face of that threat, is stupid.
Quote from: Hoofer on January 05, 2016, 05:05:55 PM
Yup - we need well-reasoned, strong leadership - I should really say, strong representation in a President.
Really tired of being mis-represented, "The American People this & that...", so I look around, and don't know who the heck this guy is talking about, he's talking down to me, though... It is about time the true consensus of the American people hear their voice in a strong, singular echo, coming from the White House - no more divisiveness.
Ben Carson, nice guy, has a heartwarming tone, for heartwarming times - which this is not. The country is being flooded with dangerous illegals, and any suggestion of disarming in the face of that threat, is stupid.
Well said, hoofer.
I think that was one time in which Carson engaged his mouth before his brain. And it fell flat with the GOP voters.
That is only one reason why I do not expect his poll numbers to ever go north again.
Quote from: kroz on January 06, 2016, 07:57:52 AM
Well said, hoofer.
I think that was one time in which Carson engaged his mouth before his brain. And it fell flat with the GOP voters.
That is only one reason why I do not expect his poll numbers to ever go north again.
If I could whisper one thing in Ben Carson's ear, it would be, "Ben, we love ya, now it's time to gracefully go home."
Quote from: Hoofer on January 06, 2016, 02:53:45 PM
If I could whisper one thing in Ben Carson's ear, it would be, "Ben, we love ya, now it's time to gracefully go home."
RINO's do not bow out gracefully, when it's not there money.
Quote from: walkstall on January 06, 2016, 02:59:51 PM
RINO's do not bow out gracefully, when it's not there money.
Yes! Especially this election cycle! The bottom tier of candidates are sticking like glue!
All I can surmise is that they are trying to pick up a handful of delegates that would give them a bit of leverage in a divided Convention. If Cruz and Trump are so close that neither get the needed number of delegates in the Primaries, then these guys with a handful of delegates could barter their delegates for a position in the next Administration.
Like I posted earlier.... this is certainly not a "standard" election cycle!!
Quote from: kroz on January 06, 2016, 03:11:08 PM
Yes! Especially this election cycle! The bottom tier of candidates are sticking like glue!
All I can surmise is that they are trying to pick up a handful of delegates that would give them a bit of leverage in a divided Convention. If Cruz and Trump are so close that neither get the needed number of delegates in the Primaries, then these guys with a handful of delegates could barter their delegates for a position in the next Administration.
Like I posted earlier.... this is certainly not a "standard" election cycle!!
It could change tomorrow but for the last couple months Trump and Cruz together hold the majority of the electorate. If they go into the convention with the support they show now between them they will own the convention.
Quote from: walkstall on January 06, 2016, 02:59:51 PM
RINO's do not bow out gracefully, when it's not there money.
Carson is one of those guys who sounds like he got suckered into running, had some $ pouring in for a bit, and didn't realize he was expected to WIN an election - until the 4th debate. I get the feeling some wealthy donors are TRYING to keep the field bloated - Carson being a tool of them... 'getting paid to keep running'?
Quote from: kroz on January 06, 2016, 03:11:08 PM
Yes! Especially this election cycle! The bottom tier of candidates are sticking like glue!
All I can surmise is that they are trying to pick up a handful of delegates that would give them a bit of leverage in a divided Convention. If Cruz and Trump are so close that neither get the needed number of delegates in the Primaries, then these guys with a handful of delegates could barter their delegates for a position in the next Administration.
Like I posted earlier.... this is certainly not a "standard" election cycle!!
Absolutely! It's about redirecting 'power & influence' by keeping your losing candidate in the mix.
Quote from: redbeard on January 06, 2016, 05:13:23 PM
It could change tomorrow but for the last couple months Trump and Cruz together hold the majority of the electorate. If they go into the convention with the support they show now between them they will own the convention.
As popular as Trump and Cruz are it is feasible that neither would go into the convention with the magic number of delegates. Therein lies the potential for a problem. Neither will want to hand their delegates to the other. That is why the lesser candidates could become a king maker. They could decide if it will be Trump or Cruz!
Quote from: kroz on January 07, 2016, 04:53:14 AM
As popular as Trump and Cruz are it is feasible that neither would go into the convention with the magic number of delegates. Therein lies the potential for a problem. Neither will want to hand their delegates to the other. That is why the lesser candidates could become a king maker. They could decide if it will be Trump or Cruz!
Cruz would never sell out his base and support a lib like trump.
If Trump honestly loves this country, he'd hand over his support to Cruz after Iowa, but I wouldn't count on it, Trump's run was never about the country.
But quite honestly, I don't see it as an issue, Cruz will wind up with the numbers needed to cinch this election.
Quote from: Solar on January 07, 2016, 06:21:13 AM
Cruz would never sell out his base and support a lib like trump.
If Trump honestly loves this country, he'd hand over his support to Cruz after Iowa, but I wouldn't count on it, Trump's run was never about the country.
But quite honestly, I don't see it as an issue, Cruz will wind up with the numbers needed to cinch this election.
I totally agree with that.
This is pure conjecture.... trying to explain why the bottom tier candidates keep hanging on.