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Title: Cain joins the fray
Post by: quiller on May 21, 2011, 06:29:25 AM
Herman Cain has announced his candidacy for President....

http://www.ketv.com/politics/27972403/detail.html (http://www.ketv.com/politics/27972403/detail.html)

...but Charles Krauthammer says it's "for entertainment purposes only."

http://www.therightscoop.com/krauthammer-herman-cain-candidacy-will-just-be-entertainment/ (http://www.therightscoop.com/krauthammer-herman-cain-candidacy-will-just-be-entertainment/)

Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: Inked on May 21, 2011, 06:31:23 AM
I usually take Charles' word as gospel, but I sure hope he's wrong.  I think a black conservative is an ideal candidate in 2012.
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: quiller on May 21, 2011, 06:41:21 AM
He needs more exposure. That's been half the battle for GOPers who are not committee chairmen, governors, or otherwise prominent conservatives. They fight an uphill battle for coverage as it is, against a media slavishly beholden to leftists.
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: Solar on May 21, 2011, 07:28:51 AM
Krauthammer lost me years ago when his liberal side kept popping through.
With that said, Cain has a good shot at the primaries, I think people will be surprised at just how strong a showing he makes.
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: Josie on May 21, 2011, 12:50:49 PM
*sigh* I like him but don't think he can beat Obama....idk what it is, maybe a lack of charisma...not sure.
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: MAC Man on May 21, 2011, 01:20:40 PM
Quote from: Josie on May 21, 2011, 12:50:49 PM
*sigh* I like him but don't think he can beat Obama....idk what it is, maybe a lack of charisma...not sure.

Josie, why don't you think that Herman Cain can't beat obama?

On the other hand, you may be correct. All I hear from republican acquaintances is that Nit-Wit Mit is the man to vote for. When I asked 'Why?', everyone told me it's 'because he's sooooooo 'electable". Good grief!! Have you ever heard of a better reason to vote for someone?  :)) :)) :))
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: Josie on May 21, 2011, 02:54:27 PM
Quote from: MAC Man on May 21, 2011, 01:20:40 PM
Josie, why don't you think that Herman Cain can't beat obama?

On the other hand, you may be correct. All I hear from republican acquaintances is that Nit-Wit Mit is the man to vote for. When I asked 'Why?', everyone told me it's 'because he's sooooooo 'electable". Good grief!! Have you ever heard of a better reason to vote for someone?  :)) :)) :))

IMO it's gunna take alot to beat Obama...it cant happen with a re-run like Romney or a battle worn soldier like Palin.... a newcomer like Cain would have to be a rock star like Palin was in 08...he would have to be physically attractive too ...Cain is too average looking and has no political experience....IDK, I'm just not feeling him for POTUS...
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: taxed on May 21, 2011, 03:05:53 PM
Quote from: Josie on May 21, 2011, 12:50:49 PM
*sigh* I like him but don't think he can beat Obama....idk what it is, maybe a lack of charisma...not sure.

Huh???????????????????????????????
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: Solar on May 21, 2011, 03:10:25 PM
Quote from: Josie on May 21, 2011, 02:54:27 PM
IMO it's gunna take alot to beat Obama...it cant happen with a re-run like Romney or a battle worn soldier like Palin.... a newcomer like Cain would have to be a rock star like Palin was in 08...he would have to be physically attractive too ...Cain is too average looking and has no political experience....IDK, I'm just not feeling him for POTUS...
Were not hiring a model as a spokesman to sell soap on TV, were hiring someone with core Conservative values.
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: taxed on May 21, 2011, 03:16:35 PM
Here is Herman Cain on the Federal Reserve...

Herman Cain talks about the Federal Reserve (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2Mqie_h9uU#ws)

I like that he knows the interworkings of the Federal Reserve, and knows how it should behave.  He would put Ron Paul over the Federal Reserve too, which I would be in favor of.
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: Josie on May 21, 2011, 03:17:41 PM
Quote from: taxed on May 21, 2011, 03:05:53 PM
Huh? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
He doesnt give me chills when he speaks.... I can't explain it any better than that.
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: Josie on May 21, 2011, 03:22:03 PM
Quote from: Solar on May 21, 2011, 03:10:25 PM
Were not hiring a model as a spokesman to sell soap on TV, were hiring someone with core Conservative values.
I understand that, but I want our candidate to have every thing going for him or her...and looks do count...

Having conservative values is obviously a requirement, but it isnt only the conservative vote that we need, this person we elect needs to appeal to moderates and independents as well...
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: taxed on May 21, 2011, 03:26:11 PM
Quote from: Josie on May 21, 2011, 03:17:41 PM
He doesnt give me chills when he speaks.... I can't explain it any better than that.

Back in '04 or '05, I can't remember, he gave this speech they played over the radio...  it gave me an incredible shot of patriotism and gave me goosebumps... I'll never forget that moment...   That doesn't happen to me a whole lot...

Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: Josie on May 21, 2011, 03:27:19 PM
Quote from: taxed on May 21, 2011, 03:26:11 PM
Back in '04 or '05, I can't remember, he gave this speech they played over the radio...  it gave me an incredible shot of patriotism and gave me goosebumps... I'll never forget that moment...   That doesn't happen to me a whole lot...


Can you find it?
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: Solar on May 21, 2011, 03:31:24 PM
Quote from: Josie on May 21, 2011, 03:22:03 PM
I understand that, but I want our candidate to have every thing going for him or her...and looks do count...

Having conservative values is obviously a requirement, but it isnt only the conservative vote that we need, this person we elect needs to appeal to moderates and independents as well...
I understand your point, and it is a bit of a sad reality, but, and there is a but.

Hussein will not have the backing he had in 08, and we do not need moderates and independents to win, that is what the MSM wants you to think.

This is still a Conservarive country at its core, and if someone can articulate our message, looks will not matter one iota.
Think FDR, granted he was an early socialist, but he was also a cripple, in a time when cripples were shunned in public.
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: taxed on May 21, 2011, 03:39:51 PM
Quote from: Josie on May 21, 2011, 03:27:19 PM
Can you find it?

I have tried... I will find it...

He has also went on a few rants on his radio show that have been absolutely incredible...   I admit, I may have a bias because he is local here in Atlanta and I have been exposed to him more, but he is no fluke.  Believe it or not, he is so good, that he transcends race as well.  I can't remember if I told this story or not, but last year sometime, I was deep in Georgia at a guy's house who fixed and repaired semi trucks, cars, tractors, etc.  When I went over there, there were about 5 or 6 old white southern guys standing around in the garage, talking about this and that and shit I have no interest in.  They started talking about politics, and all were tearing Obama apart.  They all agreed they would vote for Cain, hands down, and this was before he was entertaining running.  The setting is what you probably envision it to be, with Confederate flag, John Deer hats, and the whole nine yards, but they all agreed Cain would be their man.   That really made an impression on me...
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: Solar on May 21, 2011, 03:48:06 PM
Quote from: taxed on May 21, 2011, 03:39:51 PM
I have tried... I will find it...

He has also went on a few rants on his radio show that have been absolutely incredible...   I admit, I may have a bias because he is local here in Atlanta and I have been exposed to him more, but he is no fluke.  Believe it or not, he is so good, that he transcends race as well.  I can't remember if I told this story or not, but last year sometime, I was deep in Georgia at a guy's house who fixed and repaired semi trucks, cars, tractors, etc.  When I went over there, there were about 5 or 6 old white southern guys standing around in the garage, talking about this and that and shit I have no interest in.  They started talking about politics, and all were tearing Obama apart.  They all agreed they would vote for Cain, hands down, and this was before he was entertaining running.  The setting is what you probably envision it to be, with Confederate flag, John Deer hats, and the whole nine yards, but they all agreed Cain would be their man.   That really made an impression on me...
One thing for certain, the man can fire up a crowd.
So far I have yet to see where one of his speeches was a dud.
Hell, not even a mild speech, the man speaks from the heart with passion...
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: taxed on May 21, 2011, 03:50:57 PM
Quote from: Solar on May 21, 2011, 03:48:06 PM
One thing for certain, the man can fire up a crowd.
So far I have yet to see where one of his speeches was a dud.
Hell, not even a mild speech, the man speaks from the heart with passion...

Totally... his patriotism really comes across...

One thing that the libs will go after him on, since they sort of do locally here, is his temper.  He is known to have a hot temper.  I, of course, have no problem with that ;-)
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: Josie on May 21, 2011, 03:51:34 PM
Quote from: Solar on May 21, 2011, 03:31:24 PM
I understand your point, and it is a bit of a sad reality, but, and there is a but.

Hussein will not have the backing he had in 08, and we do not need moderates and independents to win, that is what the MSM wants you to think.

This is still a Conservarive country at its core, and if someone can articulate our message, looks will not matter one iota.
Think FDR, granted he was an early socialist, but he was also a cripple, in a time when cripples were shunned in public.

What makes you think we dont need the independent vote?
IMO Obama will do something close to election time to make alot of people happy and make them forget his wrong doings, and it will work, especially on the same losers it worked on in 08... I still think he will get alot of the black vote, because they dont want their first black president to come off as a 1 term failure... some people have really short term memory, and if Obama can make something good happen in his favor it might just work for him....I certainly do not want to underestimate him...~maybe I am over thinking, but it is because I dont want to be stuck with a crap candidate like Newt or Mitt...
We dont only have to fight Obama in 2012 we have to fight the MSM and their lies and misinformation.
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: taxed on May 21, 2011, 03:57:51 PM
Quote from: Josie on May 21, 2011, 03:51:34 PM
What makes you think we dont need the independent vote?
IMO Obama will do something close to election time to make alot of people happy and make them forget his wrong doings, and it will work, especially on the same losers it worked on in 08... I still think he will get alot of the black vote, because they dont want their first black president to come off as a 1 term failure... some people have really short term memory, and if Obama can make something good happen in his favor it might just work for him....I certainly do not want to underestimate him...~maybe I am over thinking, but it is because I dont want to be stuck with a crap candidate like Newt or Mitt...
We dont only have to fight Obama in 2012 we have to fight the MSM and their lies and misinformation.

One thing 2010 showed, when the tea party/independent vote is unanimous, the elections will go that way.  Think of Obama mania in '08, and how close it was electorally.... it won't be like that again.  He can have the muzzies, Friscans, and anti-Americans...  everyone else will sway towards the conservative.

Obama has done too much damage for anyone to be suckered in by him like that (except for his core, of course).
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: Solar on May 21, 2011, 04:05:25 PM
Quote from: Josie on May 21, 2011, 03:51:34 PM
What makes you think we dont need the independent vote?
IMO Obama will do something close to election time to make alot of people happy and make them forget his wrong doings, and it will work, especially on the same losers it worked on in 08... I still think he will get alot of the black vote, because they dont want their first black president to come off as a 1 term failure... some people have really short term memory, and if Obama can make something good happen in his favor it might just work for him....I certainly do not want to underestimate him...~maybe I am over thinking, but it is because I dont want to be stuck with a crap candidate like Newt or Mitt...
We dont only have to fight Obama in 2012 we have to fight the MSM and their lies and misinformation.
My bad, I worded that wrong.
What I actually meant was, we don't need to cater to the independent, they will vote for a true Conservative regardless, if they don't, they wouldn't have voted for RINO either.

But I think you may be thinking the Hope and Change thing will resurface, but it won't.
The economy is in shambles, his policies had increased our debt so much, that the World fears the dollar.
Gas prices won't be coming down in 2012 either, the left will not allow drilling, they own the fuel crisis.

There is too much wrong and his charisma is gone, the youth that backed him like a rock star have all but turned against him.
And the reason for that is, they listen to their parents, so their exuberance was merely a reflection of their parents opinions of the man.
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: taxed on May 21, 2011, 04:09:46 PM
One thing I hold on to is thinking people vote, and when a real conservative is in place, more conservatives (more thinking people) will vote.  You can have 1000 people riled up about Hussein, but if 10 of them vote, and 7 of them vote conservative, then that is what is important.

Thinking people will have a handle on his policies, and how crappy they have been.  One thing that isn't taken into account much is how he pokes at the fears of people who love the country, and are scared of losing our way of life.  Hussein is so anti-American that he scares so many of these people to death, which will drive them to vote for a conservative this time around, even though many of them gave Hussein a shot in 08.
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: Solar on May 21, 2011, 04:15:48 PM
Quote from: taxed on May 21, 2011, 04:09:46 PM
One thing I hold on to is thinking people vote, and when a real conservative is in place, more conservatives (more thinking people) will vote.  You can have 1000 people riled up about Hussein, but if 10 of them vote, and 7 of them vote conservative, then that is what is important.

Thinking people will have a handle on his policies, and how crappy they have been.  One thing that isn't taken into account much is how he pokes at the fears of people who love the country, and are scared of losing our way of life.  Hussein is so anti-American that he scares so many of these people to death, which will drive them to vote for a conservative this time around, even though many of them gave Hussein a shot in 08.

I agree, and as an example, look to the Reagan Carter vote.
Here was a True Conservative on the heals of a socialist POTUS, the socialist got creamed!
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: taxed on May 21, 2011, 04:19:05 PM
Quote from: Solar on May 21, 2011, 04:15:48 PM
I agree, and as an example, look to the Reagan Carter vote.
Here was a True Conservative on the heals of a socialist POTUS, the socialist got creamed!


I really think it is going to be more of a bloodbath than people think...  Plus, redistricting for congress...
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: Josie on May 21, 2011, 04:21:54 PM
Well I'm glad you both have confidence that he won't have the votes he did in 08...I hope and pray you are correct  :)
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: taxed on May 21, 2011, 04:24:33 PM
Quote from: Josie on May 21, 2011, 04:21:54 PM
Well I'm glad you both have confidence that he won't have the votes he did in 08...I hope and pray you are correct  :)

It is not the same environment by any means.  Obama has been defined.
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: Solar on May 21, 2011, 04:30:29 PM
Quote from: Josie on May 21, 2011, 04:21:54 PM
Well I'm glad you both have confidence that he won't have the votes he did in 08...I hope and pray you are correct  :)
Its partly optimism and reality.
Next time you're at the pump, just tell the person next to you, "boy, I'm sure glad the Dems are in office, I just love these gas prices". :D

Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: MAC Man on May 21, 2011, 04:31:12 PM

This is still a Conservarive country at its core, and if someone can articulate our message, looks will not matter one iota.
Think FDR, granted he was an early socialist, but he was also a cripple, in a time when cripples were shunned in public.
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I have to disagree, Solar. 'Looks' do matter, especially to the ladies. Toads need not apply. Uh-oh! I'm going to catch hell for that remark!  :)) :))

As for the Independents, I can just speak for myself. I became an Independent because I couldn't stomach what the Republican Party had become. It wouldn't surprise me if a great many of the current Independents were former Republicans.
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: taxed on May 21, 2011, 04:38:24 PM
Cain slaps a lib at a rally...

Liberal Confronts Herman Cain! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOJxQ7umeVw#ws)
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: taxed on May 21, 2011, 04:46:26 PM
Cain on securing the border...

Herman Cain: We Need to Secure the Border With Technology and Guns (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj4-I4uWNhw#ws)
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: MAC Man on May 21, 2011, 05:05:10 PM
MSNBC must really hate Cain as they have a headline like-'Former Pizza Chain CEO Enters GOP Presidential Race'. Now, if he was a democrat, the headline would have read something like-'An Immensely Successful CEO Of A Very Large Corporation Will Enter The Democratic Presidential Race!!'

Herman Cain is looking better and better by the minute!  :)) :)) :))
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: taxed on May 21, 2011, 05:16:53 PM
Quote from: MAC Man on May 21, 2011, 05:05:10 PM
MSNBC must really hate Cain as they have a headline like-'Former Pizza Chain CEO Enters GOP Presidential Race'. Now, if he was a democrat, the headline would have read something like-'An Immensely Successful CEO Of A Very Large Corporation Will Enter The Democratic Presidential Race!!'

Herman Cain is looking better and better by the minute!  :)) :)) :))

here is an old one...

Herman Cain versus Bill Clinton.mp4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WP5dYfBBzU#noexternalembed)
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: quiller on May 21, 2011, 08:25:27 PM
Quote from: Solar on May 21, 2011, 04:30:29 PM
Its partly optimism and reality.
Next time you're at the pump, just tell the person next to you, "boy, I'm sure glad the Dems are in office, I just love these gas prices". :D



"It's a fact. Gas was $1.89 nation-wide the day Obama took office."
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: Indy on May 22, 2011, 05:12:17 AM
Quote from: Solar on May 21, 2011, 04:30:29 PM
Its partly optimism and reality.
Next time you're at the pump, just tell the person next to you, "boy, I'm sure glad the Dems are in office, I just love these gas prices". :D


You do that too? In every instance they blame Obama and his policies. They know he's anti oil, and they all need it in their daily life. It may not mean anything to some wealthy elitist like Obama , Pelosi, or Reid, but that extra 2-3 hundred a month means a lot when you're just trying to make ends meet. People are aware every time they get their utility bill also. The anti oil left are hurting families. They've taken the two most affordable commodities and turned them into a burden.
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: WoodBurner on May 22, 2011, 06:35:40 AM
 Just watched Herman Cain on Chris Wallace's show on fox.
Cain wants a national sales tax of 23% to replace the income
tax for individuals and business. I like the idea of getting rid of
the IRS but 23% sounds a little high to me. Anyone know more about this?
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: taxed on May 22, 2011, 08:47:09 AM
Quote from: WoodBurner on May 22, 2011, 06:35:40 AM
Just watched Herman Cain on Chris Wallace's show on fox.
Cain wants a national sales tax of 23% to replace the income
tax for individuals and business. I like the idea of getting rid of
the IRS but 23% sounds a little high to me. Anyone know more about this?

WB, this is the crux of the understanding of the FairTax, and through obfuscation, is the libs' main weapon against it.

Currently, everything we buy already has 23% of taxes already embedded.  That means if you buy a product for $100, about $25 or so of that was taxes, accumulated throughout the life of the product, from raw materials to point of sale.

With the FairTax, BUSINESS-TO-BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS ARE NOT TAXED.  The 23% is calculated at the point of consumption, by the consumer.

So, we are taking all the embedded and accumulated taxes throughout the supply chain, from raw materials to sale, stripping them out, and just making a single calculation come sale time.  So, the amount of taxes are pretty much the same as now, just calculated differently (and remember, you have 100% of your paycheck to purchase the product with).

Libs hate this, because the simplicity doesn't appeal to their logical faculties.
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: Solar on May 22, 2011, 09:09:53 AM
Quote from: taxed on May 22, 2011, 08:47:09 AM
WB, this is the crux of the understanding of the FairTax, and through obfuscation, is the libs' main weapon against it.

Currently, everything we buy already has 23% of taxes already embedded.  That means if you buy a product for $100, about $25 or so of that was taxes, accumulated throughout the life of the product, from raw materials to point of sale.

With the FairTax, BUSINESS-TO-BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS ARE NOT TAXED.  The 23% is calculated at the point of consumption, by the consumer.

So, we are taking all the embedded and accumulated taxes throughout the supply chain, from raw materials to sale, stripping them out, and just making a single calculation come sale time.  So, the amount of taxes are pretty much the same as now, just calculated differently (and remember, you have 100% of your paycheck to purchase the product with).

Libs hate this, because the simplicity doesn't appeal to their logical faculties.
I can already see a huge loophole in this.

I set up a business and I sell the end product as an incomplete product.
In other words claim it was unfinished, that way the people buying the product can claim tax exempt status, since they are buying an unfinished product.
And if they require that you have a business license, then spend a few bucks and get one.

How it works currently, I pay taxes on the unfinished product, but only recoup them at time of sale.

I wonder how they covered this in their business plan?
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: taxed on May 22, 2011, 09:12:29 AM
Quote from: Solar on May 22, 2011, 09:09:53 AM
I can already see a huge loophole in this.

I set up a business and I sell the end product as an incomplete product.
In other words claim it was unfinished, that way the people buying the product can claim tax exempt status, since they are buying an unfinished product.
And if they require that you have a business license, then spend a few bucks and get one.

How it works currently, I pay taxes on the unfinished product, but only recoup them at time of sale.

I wonder how they covered this in their business plan?

I don't think the status of the product matters; it is who buys it -- a business or consumer.... am I following?
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: Solar on May 22, 2011, 09:17:51 AM
Quote from: taxed on May 22, 2011, 09:12:29 AM
I don't think the status of the product matters; it is who buys it -- a business or consumer.... am I following?
Nope, you missed it.
You only pay taxes on the end product.
I set up a business selling unfinished products, thereby avoiding charging taxes to the customer, and selling the product at an attractive price.

It would be up to the end purchaser to deal with the tax, whether they set up a phony business claiming failure in product failure.

Point is, there is always a work around where taxes are concerned.
I didn't retire in my mid 40s for nothing. ;)
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: taxed on May 22, 2011, 09:19:03 AM
Quote from: Solar on May 22, 2011, 09:17:51 AM
Nope, you missed it.
You only pay taxes on the end product.
I set up a business selling unfinished products, thereby avoiding charging taxes to the customer, and selling the product at an attractive price.

It would be up to the end purchaser to deal with the tax, whether they set up a phony business claiming failure in product failure.

Point is, there is always a work around where taxes are concerned.
I didn't retire in my mid 40s for nothing. ;)

Who would buy the unfinished products?
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: Solar on May 22, 2011, 09:21:43 AM
Quote from: taxed on May 22, 2011, 09:19:03 AM
Who would buy the unfinished products?
For example, I would sell the product partially assembled, say you still have to tighten one screw, but that would still qualify it as an unfinished product.
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: taxed on May 22, 2011, 09:38:39 AM
Quote from: Solar on May 22, 2011, 09:21:43 AM
For example, I would sell the product partially assembled, say you still have to tighten one screw, but that would still qualify it as an unfinished product.

I'm not following...  who would buy the unfinished product?
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: Solar on May 22, 2011, 09:53:17 AM
Quote from: taxed on May 22, 2011, 09:38:39 AM
I'm not following...  who would buy the unfinished product?
Like buying a bicycle at Walmart, it comes in a box unassembled.

I would sell the same bike as an unfinished product, same thing.
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: taxed on May 22, 2011, 09:59:24 AM
Quote from: Solar on May 22, 2011, 09:53:17 AM
Like buying a bicycle at Walmart, it comes in a box unassembled.

I would sell the same bike as an unfinished product, same thing.

But who would buy the unfinished bike?  If it is a business, it isn't taxed.  If it is a consumer, finished or unfinished, it is taxed...
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: walkstall on May 22, 2011, 10:14:45 AM
Quote from: taxed on May 22, 2011, 09:59:24 AM
But who would buy the unfinished bike?  If it is a business, it isn't taxed.  If it is a consumer, finished or unfinished, it is taxed...

Hello taxed, I would buy the unfinished and finish it myself if I did not have to pay taxes on it.   ;D   ;D   Whats 10 min or one hr of my time.  If I don't have to pay taxes.   8)
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: taxed on May 22, 2011, 10:22:58 AM
Quote from: walkstall on May 22, 2011, 10:14:45 AM

Hello taxed, I would buy the unfinished and finish it myself if I did not have to pay taxes on it.   ;D   ;D   Whats 10 min or one hr of my time.  If I don't have to pay taxes.   8)
hahah, if you buy it, you better pay taxes on it!!  If you don't,  you're eligible for the Obama administration....
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: walkstall on May 22, 2011, 10:35:48 AM
Quote from: taxed on May 22, 2011, 10:22:58 AM
hahah, if you buy it, you better pay taxes on it!!  If you don't,  you're eligible for the Obama administration....

But but I am at the below paying income taxes level.   :))   :))   :))
I did not fail to plan ahead.  :D
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: Solar on May 22, 2011, 10:43:53 AM
Quote from: taxed on May 22, 2011, 09:59:24 AM
But who would buy the unfinished bike?  If it is a business, it isn't taxed.  If it is a consumer, finished or unfinished, it is taxed...
Not if I set up a business selling it as an unfinished product.

Think of it as a Sams club, of unfinished products, a clearing house so to speak.
Anyone with a resale permit would be allowed to buy and avoid taxes, the onerous would be on them to sell it as a taxable item.
If they never sell it, they never collect the tax on the item.

As it is now, when you buy an unfinished product, the company selling it to you charges you a tax through your reseller license, under the fair tax, I assume that step is eliminated.
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: taxed on May 22, 2011, 12:08:27 PM
Quote from: Solar on May 22, 2011, 10:43:53 AM
Not if I set up a business selling it as an unfinished product.
Correct.  b2b is untaxed.  The consumers you sell to will pay the tax (if not businesses).

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Think of it as a Sams club, of unfinished products, a clearing house so to speak.
Anyone with a resale permit would be allowed to buy and avoid taxes,
Yes, if they are a business, they aren't paying taxes.  If I license you to sell my widget, and I sell to you, then correct, you would not pay taxes.  If you sell my widget to another business, they would not pay taxes -- you would make your profit and be done.  If you sold to a consumer, they would pay the tax.  The tax is only levied at the point of consumption.  We can have 100 resellers in the middle -- none of them will pay tax.


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the onerous would be on them to sell it as a taxable item.
If they never sell it, they never collect the tax on the item.
If they sell to another business, they don't collect.  If they sell to a consumer, they do.


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As it is now, when you buy an unfinished product, the company selling it to you charges you a tax through your reseller license, under the fair tax, I assume that step is eliminated.
Yeah, no tax on services or goods sold to businesses for resale, or any business purposes.
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: Solar on May 22, 2011, 12:15:03 PM
Quote from: taxed on May 22, 2011, 12:08:27 PM
The onerous would be on them to sell it as a taxable item.
If they never sell it, they never collect the tax on the item.
If they sell to another business, they don't collect.  If they sell to a consumer, they do.

Which is the point, if they never sell it, there is no tax collected.

I don't think you are getting the idea I'm trying to convey here.
Getting a business license takes all of ten minutes, thats it, and you are legally in business.

Now with license in hand, you can shop at my clearance center of so called "unfinished products" and avoid the end of purchase tax.
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: taxed on May 22, 2011, 12:24:19 PM
Quote from: Solar on May 22, 2011, 12:15:03 PM
Which is the point, if they never sell it, there is no tax collected.
Correct.


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I don't think you are getting the idea I'm trying to convey here.
Getting a business license takes all of ten minutes, thats it, and you are legally in business.

Now with license in hand, you can shop at my clearance center of so called "unfinished products" and avoid the end of purchase tax.
It doesn't matter if a product is finished or unfinished.

If you are saying someone is getting a business license to purchase product b2b to avoid paying the tax as a consumer, then yes, that's illegal...
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: Solar on May 22, 2011, 12:49:05 PM
Quote from: taxed on May 22, 2011, 12:24:19 PM
Correct.

It doesn't matter if a product is finished or unfinished.

If you are saying someone is getting a business license to purchase product b2b to avoid paying the tax as a consumer, then yes, that's illegal...
:D :D :D :D
I never said it was legal, I said it was a loophole.
There is always a work around.
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: taxed on May 22, 2011, 12:50:27 PM
Quote from: Solar on May 22, 2011, 12:49:05 PM
:D :D :D :D
I never said it was legal, I said it was a loophole.
There is always a work around.

Oh, hahaha...  well, it is blatantly illegal...
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: Solar on May 22, 2011, 12:53:45 PM
Taxed, check out this story, I have been hitting the libs left and right over this spoiled little brat that is using extortion to get a refund.

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/nj-teen-seeks-dress-refund-to-pay-for-boyfriends-funeral-20110520 (http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/nj-teen-seeks-dress-refund-to-pay-for-boyfriends-funeral-20110520)
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: taxed on May 22, 2011, 01:03:04 PM
Quote from: Solar on May 22, 2011, 12:53:45 PM
Taxed, check out this story, I have been hitting the libs left and right over this spoiled little brat that is using extortion to get a refund.

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/nj-teen-seeks-dress-refund-to-pay-for-boyfriends-funeral-20110520 (http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/nj-teen-seeks-dress-refund-to-pay-for-boyfriends-funeral-20110520)


Wow...  If I was the store, I would tell her to creamate his ass...
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: Solar on May 22, 2011, 01:06:46 PM
Quote from: taxed on May 22, 2011, 01:03:04 PM
Wow...  If I was the store, I would tell her to creamate his ass...
:D :D :D :D
You cold heartless SOB!!!
Did you read through some of the comments?
I can't believe some of these people, but then what can I expect from kids and libs?
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: taxed on May 22, 2011, 01:09:25 PM
Quote from: Solar on May 22, 2011, 01:06:46 PM
:D :D :D :D
You cold heartless SOB!!!
Did you read through some of the comments?
I can't believe some of these people, but then what can I expect from kids and libs?

oh, was that the forum?
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: Solar on May 22, 2011, 01:10:32 PM
Quote from: taxed on May 22, 2011, 01:09:25 PM
oh, was that the forum?
Yep. 8)
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: WoodBurner on May 23, 2011, 03:14:18 AM
Taxed, Solar and Walkstall.......Thanks for all the input on the 23% sales tax question. I understand how it works and how to get around it now. ;)  I'm not decided on who I will support yet but I'm going to do some research on H. Cain.
Title: Re: Cain joins the fray
Post by: Solar on May 23, 2011, 05:12:51 AM
Quote from: WoodBurner on May 23, 2011, 03:14:18 AM
Taxed, Solar and Walkstall.......Thanks for all the input on the 23% sales tax question. I understand how it works and how to get around it now. ;)  I'm not decided on who I will support yet but I'm going to do some research on H. Cain.
Glad we could help, but you'll have to forgive Taxed for being an honest guy. ;)