Poll
Question:
Stay Or Go?
Option 1: Stay
Option 2: GO
Personally, I think they need to bail on the failed socialist experiment.
Quote from: Solar on June 22, 2016, 04:16:10 PM
Personally, I think they need to bail on the failed socialist experiment.
Pretty much sums up my vote, GO, get out while you still have a few pennies left.
Quote from: Solar on June 22, 2016, 04:16:10 PM
Personally, I think they need to bail on the failed socialist experiment.
Why keep pouring water in a bucket with a hole in it and think your going to fix the hole. :lol:
I should have been a bit more specific. This wasn't supposed to be an opinion poll, but rather a question as to whether they'll stay or go.
Yes, I'm in favor of them leaving, but I also think the majority of people in the UK want the Hell out as well and politicians want to get reelected.
So yeah, I think they'll run like Hell....
Quote from: Solar on June 22, 2016, 05:17:54 PM
I should have been a bit more specific. This wasn't supposed to be an opinion poll, but rather a question as to whether they'll stay or go.
Yes, I'm in favor of them leaving, but I also think the majority of people in the UK want the Hell out as well and politicians want to get reelected.
So yeah, I think they'll run like Hell....
That POS Cameron and that muzscum mayor of London want them to stay, so they'll stay.
A woman politician who was a sitting member of parliament was recently murdered. As she had wanted the 'Not So Great Great Britain' to stay in the EU, people will be voting in 'sympathy' for her. :rolleyes:
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Will the Usurping Muslims and other assorted "immigrants" let them leave?....I think not.
They should go...but they won't. The government won't allow it. I'd say the fix is in. They're owed too much by too many who would have an excuse to blow off their debt and they would STILL owe countries like Germany debts they'd be expected to pay.
If the UK goes, the EU will probably collapse within a fairly short order. Good enough for meeee!
I personally believe it is in the UK's best interest to leave the EU. There would be some short term pain, but at least the UK would be able to control their borders and destiny.
I believe they need to Go. If they dont, they'll continue in their downward spiral.
Do I believe they will go, no. Enough people are to either to stupid, to scared, or both to vote for them UK to leave the EU.
This one's for Solar. You want Fabian socialists, Billy Bragg's your lad. :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjJLDjjYXMM
Quote from: quiller on June 23, 2016, 09:10:09 PM
This one's for Solar. You want Fabian socialists, Billy Bragg's your lad. :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjJLDjjYXMM
Yeah, what were we thinking, govt should be the one putting up private property, no trespassing, not some poor smuck wanting to eeek out a living for his family, no, his food should be confiscated and given to...., umm well, the elites should be the ones deciding who gets what.
Right? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Solar on June 23, 2016, 09:22:39 PM
Yeah, what were we thinking, govt should be the one putting up private property, no trespassing, not some poor smuck wanting to eeek out a living for his family, no, his food should be confiscated and given to...., umm well, the elites should be the ones deciding who gets what.
Right? :rolleyes:
I thought the timing was excellent and the beat sio catchy that the average listener wouldn't catch most of what was going on in that tune. It's well-done, musically (not so good on the second male singer) and Bragg delivers a strong rendition. But it's still socialist crap.
There will always be a Britain. Its people have survived far worse than the EU (John going after Magna Carta signatories comes to mind. King Charles (of the present Windsor family) still lies ahead.) Disasters plague them but those stiff upper lips drag them through, Old Blighty, Kipling and empire and all.
Now I really want to go home. I have no issues with Belgians. Just keep your hands out of my wallet.
And yes Boris Johnson is awesome. Insane but awesome nonetheless.
Quote from: quiller on June 23, 2016, 09:41:11 PM
I thought the timing was excellent and the beat sio catchy that the average listener wouldn't catch most of what was going on in that tune. It's well-done, musically (not so good on the second male singer) and Bragg delivers a strong rendition. But it's still socialist crap.
There will always be a Britain. Its people have survived far worse than the EU (John going after Magna Carta signatories comes to mind. King Charles (of the present Windsor family) still lies ahead.) Disasters plague them but those stiff upper lips drag them through, Old Blighty, Kipling and empire and all.
Gee, it kind of makes Peter Paul and Mary suspect socialists. :rolleyes:
As much as I loved their music as a kid, as an adult, I see
right left through it.
Quote from: Solar on June 24, 2016, 06:14:37 AM
Gee, it kind of makes Peter Paul and Mary suspect socialists. :rolleyes:
As much as I loved their music as a kid, as an adult, I see right left through it.
Damn flowers in my hair almost ruined my beehive.
That was the soundtrack to Camelot, y'all. Peace-love-dope and screw any woman that moved, the JFK doctrine. The evil dark forces of McCarthyism and HUAC and all things 1950s was behind us and trousers had no cuffs and women's hair went up to the ceilings. Everything was groovy then, man. Fan-tabulous.
So then we learned about Marilyn and all those others, and after Oswald managed the physically impossible with that bolt-action, we got Lyin' Lyndon the total ruthless gangster, followed by a whole bunch of criminal-and/or-idiot GOP Establishment types and a quarter-wit
JAW-ja peanut farmer so ignorant only O-pologize could beat him on manifest degrees of out-of-touchness.
The folk singers like PP&M and so many others gave us the hippy-dippy stuff, but over on Broadway there was a more polished take on the Vietnam war.
Shenandoah was a thinly-disguised effort to set anti-war sentiment during the War Between the States / aka War of Northern Aggression. Here, in "I've Heard It All Before," is a father's anguish.... John Cullum from TV's "Northern Exposure" sings....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_ohMnUxJhs
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Oh that's good!
More like bend over and kiss it goodbye.
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:thumbsup:
Oh...on that same general topic...the Usual Suspects are screaming it's the end of civilization if they can't continue doing things the old wrong way....
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/683224/END-OF-THE-EU-Germany-France-Austria-Hungary-Finland-Netherlands-Europe-Brexit
The end of Cameron could mean a return to gun rights.
Nigel Farage has called for firearm laws to be relaxed, calling the current ban on handguns "ludicrous".
The Ukip leader criticised the "kneejerk" restrictions on handguns imposed after the 1996 Dunblane massacre in which Thomas Hamilton killed 16 schoolchildren and a teacher before shooting himself.
The laws were brought in by Sir John Major, the then Tory prime minister, and extended to a total ban by Tony Blair's Labour government in 1997.
Asked about gun controls, Farage said: "I think proper gun licensing is something we've done in this country responsibly and well for a long time, and I think the kneejerk legislation that Blair brought in that meant that the British Olympic pistol team have to go to France to even practise was just crackers.
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"If you criminalise handguns then only the criminals carry the guns. It's really interesting that since Blair brought that piece of law in, gun crime doubled in the next five years in this country."
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/24/nigel-farage-uk-gun-control-laws-relaxed
Quote from: Solar on June 24, 2016, 06:14:37 AM
Gee, it kind of makes Peter Paul and Mary suspect socialists. :rolleyes:
As much as I loved their music as a kid, as an adult, I see right left through it.
Actually met Noel
Paul Stookie (sp) - Socialist no. Militant Marxist maybe. Tyrant wanna-be YUP. He was working on a Children's BBS project and trying to secure funding through a Crayon company, I guess it fell through...
like someone tipped them off. Back in those days, if you could write code, everyone wanted your talent, FREE, for their noble cause. "Join me or else!" Changed my phone number 3-4 times one year, you'd think I had a winning lottery ticket. Like Apostles of Marxism, dedicated, driven and re-education was their goal... makes Bernie look like a Jolly old Uncle.
Interesting fact, very, very FEW of these Marxists ever started a real business, from the ground up, but practically all of them took someone elses' hard earned dollars and essentially used it against the donors.
One rather odd thing about a business, once it's off-the-ground, everyone wants it, but until then, nobody will lift a finger to help it succeed and all the "free" advice is negative (and usually wrong).
I'm glad the Brits voted to exit - maybe they realized individual freedom starts at home.
I just read on Facebook my sister supports a second vote. Well she's a democrats so I shouldn't be too surprised.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on June 25, 2016, 06:57:20 PM
I just read on Facebook my sister supports a second vote. Well she's a democrats so I shouldn't be too surprised.
Sooooo the democrats are the same over there and they are in Washington state. Keep recounting until they get a democrat in. Are they going to hold a sit-in also?
My understanding, they have no legal right to a second. It's not like a re-count.
Quote from: Hoofer on June 25, 2016, 09:03:26 AMBack in those days, if you could write code, everyone wanted your talent, FREE, for their noble cause. "Join me or else!" Changed my phone number 3-4 times one year, you'd think I had a winning lottery ticket.
What sort of code? Are you talking about HTML and CSS?
Were you once a professional coder?
Besides the fact that the EU is a failed socialist experiment I wonder how much of this has to do with the fact that the citizens of the UK are tired of being told by the EU they have to tolerate an invading Muslim army.
Quote from: ZQuickSilverZ on June 25, 2016, 11:55:15 PM
Besides the fact that the EU is a failed socialist experiment I wonder how much of this has to do with the fact that the citizens of the UK are tired of being told by the EU they have to tolerate an invading Muslim army.
Like Americans, they too are sick of the lies and deceit the marxists have foist upon them and the leadership is in a panic, just like the Marxists in the GOP, they too are in panic mode.
Times, they are a changing fast. :thumbsup:
A question for the forum.............
Is Parliament legally bound to accept and abide by the Brexit Referendum?
I just can't believe the socialists/Marxists would just roll over so easily.
Quote from: MACMan on June 26, 2016, 07:39:41 AM
A question for the forum.............
Is Parliament legally bound to accept and abide by the Brexit Referendum?
I just can't believe the socialists/Marxists would just roll over so easily.
Well, it is a Democracy, so majority rules.
Quote from: MACMan on June 26, 2016, 07:39:41 AM
A question for the forum.............
Is Parliament legally bound to accept and abide by the Brexit Referendum?
I just can't believe the socialists/Marxists would just roll over so easily.
Obama is not the PM so they will have to abide by the vote. I am sure the elites are behind closed doors trying to undo this though.
Quote from: supsalemgr on June 26, 2016, 08:03:14 AM
Obama is not the PM so they will have to abide by the vote. I am sure the elites are behind closed doors trying to undo this though.
That's what sucks about a Democracy, majority can change the rules at whim.
Quote from: Solar on June 26, 2016, 08:06:33 AM
That's what sucks about a Democracy, majority can change the rules at whim.
Boo, how big of a majority did this pass by. From what I can see others countries are also thinking of jumping ship and going it on there own also.
Quote from: supsalemgr on June 26, 2016, 08:03:14 AM
Obama is not the PM so they will have to abide by the vote. I am sure the elites are behind closed doors trying to undo this though.
I'm also sure the elites will pull every underhanded maneuver they can to undo the vote.
As for the vote itself..............
Quote...........the legal blogger David Allen Green has explained clearly, the measure Britons just voted for "was an advisory not a mandatory referendum," meaning that it is not legally binding on the government. No matter who the prime minister is, he or she is not required by the outcome to trigger Article 50. And, despite what senior figures in the EU and its other states might say, there is no way for them to force the UK to invoke Article 50.
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/24/british-exit-eu-still-not-inevitable-despite-referendum/
Article 50
1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.
2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.
3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.
4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.
A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.
5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.
http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-lisbon-treaty/treaty-on-european-union-and-comments/title-6-final-provisions/137-article-50.html
Quote from: Solar on June 26, 2016, 01:35:24 PM
Article 50
1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.
2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.
3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.
4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.
A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.
5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.
http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-lisbon-treaty/treaty-on-european-union-and-comments/title-6-final-provisions/137-article-50.html
So as each country joins jumping ship there will be less and less on the "Council".
This BS reminds me of my long term girlfriend when I broke up.
I said in a long drawn out explanation that it was no longer working and I was breaking up. She actually said "No", I'm not breaking up, that's that. :blink:
Yes, I was dumbfounded, and I see the rule 50 bull shit the same way, if the UK no longer wants any part of socialism, it simply tells the rest of the leaches, the free ride is over, move on bitches.
Arguing with a bunch of leftists is exactly what they want, the longer you postpone the break up, the more they dig in, the more reasons they find to keep you attached.
Make a clean break of Britain, the Bitch is a user, and will most likely give you the clap, or worse.
Quote from: Solar on June 25, 2016, 08:38:45 AM...Asked about gun controls, Farage said: "I think proper gun licensing is something we've done in this country responsibly and well for a long time, and I think the kneejerk legislation that Blair brought in that meant that the British Olympic pistol team have to go to France to even practise was just crackers.
...
Do you guys want to know how STUPID these socialist/liberal morons are? The British Olympic pistol team has to go to France to practice shooting...and the French have go to England or the Netherlands or somewhere to practice Karate because MMA is illegal in France. How bloody brilliant is THAT?
Quote from: jdzbrain on June 27, 2016, 08:14:07 AM
Do you guys want to know how STUPID these socialist/liberal morons are? The British Olympic pistol team has to go to France to practice shooting...and the French have go to England or the Netherlands or somewhere to practice Karate because MMA is illegal in France. How bloody brilliant is THAT?
Leaves one speechless just thinking about the ignorance that drives this madness.
Quote from: Solar on June 26, 2016, 03:41:28 PM
This BS reminds me of my long term girlfriend when I broke up.
I said in a long drawn out explanation that it was no longer working and I was breaking up. She actually said "No", I'm not breaking up, that's that. :blink:
Yes, I was dumbfounded, and I see the rule 50 bull shit the same way, if the UK no longer wants any part of socialism, it simply tells the rest of the leaches, the free ride is over, move on bitches.
Arguing with a bunch of leftists is exactly what they want, the longer you postpone the break up, the more they dig in, the more reasons they find to keep you attached.
Make a clean break of Britain, the Bitch is a user, and will most likely give you the clap, or worse.
LOL... and "It's really your fault, how could you be so insensitive!?" - she adds, "I knew you'd do this to me! So-n-so warned me, I should have listened, how could you be so cruel after-all-we've-been-through?" ...and when it's all over, your friends are both relieved, and silently questioning your intelligence... :blink:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm12NYSBg84
"
That was YOUR wife...!? Bitch" LOL Hot-Crazy-Dangerous ... pack your bags and skedaddle outta da county, fast! :ttoung: :ttoung:
Quote from: Hoofer on June 27, 2016, 02:50:34 PM
LOL... and "It's really your fault, how could you be so insensitive!?" - she adds, "I knew you'd do this to me! So-n-so warned me, I should have listened, how could you be so cruel after-all-we've-been-through?" ...and when it's all over, your friends are both relieved, and silently questioning your intelligence... :blink:
"That was YOUR wife...!? Bitch" LOL Hot-Crazy-Dangerous ... pack your bags and skedaddle outta da county, fast! :ttoung: :ttoung:
Actually it was kind of pathetic in that she pleaded that I act like we we're still together while she worked through it. :blink:
No, it's over!..... BWAHHHHHH!!!! ...Ok ok, I'll play along.... See, there's no need to break up, it was just a misunderstanding and I forgive you for wanting to date other women,,,,,,.
NOOOOOO!!! IT"S O V E R, Dammit!!!! BWAHHHHHHH..... I'm going.... Nooooo don't go.....Let go of my leg, IT'S O V E R !!!!
NO , THIS IS N O T O V E R!!!!!Tires screeching in my departure......
Quote from: Solar on June 27, 2016, 04:05:20 PM
Actually it was kind of pathetic in that she pleaded that I act like we we're still together while she worked through it. :blink:
No, it's over!..... BWAHHHHHH!!!! ...Ok ok, I'll play along.... See, there's no need to break up, it was just a misunderstanding and I forgive you for wanting to date other women,,,,,,.
NOOOOOO!!! IT"S O V E R, Dammit!!!! BWAHHHHHHH..... I'm going.... Nooooo don't go.....Let go of my leg, IT'S O V E R !!!!
NO , THIS IS N O T O V E R!!!!!
Tires screeching in my departure......
I'm tellin' ya, breaking up is harder on guys than gals! Women learn at an early age, maybe it's genetic or something - especially women from the south... they instinctively know how to "play" guys. A week later, they honk the horn as they drive by with a new boyfriend (yup, some poor sap listened to her story, felt sorry... etc., and thinks he found a really-nice-girl-who-fits-him-perfect).
Liberal women are like a Chinese Kung Fu flick -
they gotta get revenge... for everything. Toilet seats up, toilet paper unrolling the wrong way, squeezing the toothpaste in the middle or accidentally touching the underwear on the doorknob with your "wet" hand, as you get out of the shower. Anything can set-the-off...
Must be a lot of Liberals in England, they're already talking buyer's remorse!
EU Could Drop English as Official Language After Brexit.
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BRUSSELS — English, the world's second language and the main working tongue of EU institutions, may no longer be an official language of the European Union once Britain leaves the bloc, a senior EU lawmaker said on Monday.
more @
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/brexit-referendum/au-revoir-anglais-eu-could-drop-english-official-language-after-n599911
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Quote from: The Boo Man... on June 25, 2016, 06:57:20 PM
I just read on Facebook my sister supports a second vote. Well she's a democrats so I shouldn't be too surprised.
Do the English just keep having referendums until the result desired by the government wins?
Quote from: Charliemyboy on June 27, 2016, 06:29:55 PM
Do the English just keep having referendums until the result desired by the government wins?
Just recounting ballots in Washington state has always worked. :cursing:
Quote from: walkstall on June 27, 2016, 06:22:41 PM
EU Could Drop English as Official Language After Brexit.
snip!
BRUSSELS — English, the world's second language and the main working tongue of EU institutions, may no longer be an official language of the European Union once Britain leaves the bloc, a senior EU lawmaker said on Monday.
more @
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/brexit-referendum/au-revoir-anglais-eu-could-drop-english-official-language-after-n599911
Tell that to the world's pilots. :laugh:
Quote from: Solar on June 27, 2016, 07:11:31 PM
Tell that to the world's pilots. :laugh:
...Or diplomats. Or business people. Or bankers. Oh my yes, especially bankers.....
Quote from: walkstall on June 26, 2016, 08:31:34 AM
Boo, how big of a majority did this pass by. From what I can see others countries are also thinking of jumping ship and going it on there own also.
We don't know. Apparently lots of votes to remain came from people in outside of the UK. It looks as if they tried their best to rig the vote. I personally do not believe the result was as close as it is being reported.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on June 27, 2016, 09:27:06 PM
We don't know. Apparently lots of votes to remain came from people in outside of the UK. It looks as if they tried their best to rig the vote. I personally do not believe the result was as close as it is being reported.
Are the dead voting again?
Quote from: walkstall on June 27, 2016, 09:42:35 PM
Are the dead voting again?
Dead, never born, cartoon characters, whatever it takes.
Quote from: quiller on June 27, 2016, 09:09:24 PM
...Or diplomats. Or business people. Or bankers. Oh my yes, especially bankers.....
Taking ones ball home when angry, in this instance is like playing 'what's that cloud look like?' And in this case they're taking their imagination and going home.
The only one's they'll effect is their own income. Stupid, stupid people....