Conservative Political Forum

CNN says a Government Shutdown would be a disaster for the GOP, since they control the Senate, House and Presidency.  The GOP would have nobody to blame for government inaction but themselves, and Donald Trump's inability to lead as President.  (my rendering, the narrative is being batted around).

Regardless of what the Main Steam Media (MSM) thinks ... they believe you would think a shutdown is bad, therefore change your vote 2018 to a different party, provided they can make it a big deal.   So is a government shutdown, even if a last resort for Trump for border wall funding, worth the hassle? 

Should President Trump stand his ground, fight to keep the promise to build the border wall (regardless of the funding source), or back down and trust Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell to come up with an alternative plan ... if there is an alternative plan?

Do you feel confident about the House and Senate after failing to repeal Obamacare, they can push through legislation for border wall funding?

I always laugh at this nonsense, simply because a shutdown used to be viewed as a good thing, Filibusters were just another day in DC.
I think it was Carter that changed the rules, but the fact remains, it's pure semantics, because the govt really doesn't shut down, in fact, if the gop'E wanted to, they could easily change the rules and assure all of govt continues to function while they pretend to do the work of the people, completely removing the leftist media sting that seems to panic only the left.

Let's assume trump shuts down the govt in the context being presented, I believe Trump will win the game of showman and steal the leftists' thunder, because Trump won't close national parks like the Marxist did, in his attempt to make Americans feel the sting of a so called shut down. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I do not trust the GOP to do anything beyond what is absolutely necessary to keep their current jobs.
The GOPe played the repeal Obamacare game for 7 years with worthless votes, and when it came down to the repeal vote, sided with the Democrats to continue Obamacare.   It is not Donald Trump's fault, nope - neither Paul Ryan, nor Mitch McConnell could not get a single Democrat to side with them - they did NOTHING in the MSM to apply pressure on members of their own or the opposition party.

Ryan and McConnell are worthless to Donald Trump, and it would appear they are slow-walking the Trump agenda as well as keeping "mum" when they should be using this opportunity to push for even the most basic GOP positions - and are not.

Donald Trump was absolutely correct in calling out both GOP leaders, and doing it in a very public way during his Rally in Arizona.   Pressure needs to be brought to bear on these Washington insiders who have forgotten they work for the American People and not for Political Lobbyists.  It is evident the MSM is less likely to promote anything Trump wants, and appears to be actively providing "cover" for Mitch and Paul - I believe they hate President Trump that much.    The more pressure from the White House on Ryan and McConnell, the better - and don't forget, Ronald Reagan went around the MSM to the people to push his agenda of Tax Cuts through Democrat Houses, even with Government shutdowns, it worked!

We have Obamacare today, not because of President Trump.   This one started with the Democrats, and when given the opportunity to repeal, neither Paul Ryan, nor Mitch McConnell exercised their full leadership, make the case to the American public, or apply pressure on the members they preside over.  When individual Senators who have pledged to repeal Obamacare, can stand up and vote against repeal, and walk away - without so much as a whimper from the Senate Majority Leader - something is wrong in Washington.   Time to go nicely, or be forced out, Mitch.

The next task on the agenda, funding the building of the wall, is being slow-walked by Paul Ryan... and Mitch McConnell.... again.  This is both unAmerican, and against the promises the GOP has made to Americans, and contrary to their oath to defend our borders.

After this, Paul Ryan expect to present a new Tax Plan - I expect it to fail miserably.  Why?   Anything that makes President Trump look good, is frowned upon by the Senate & House.  Instead of pedal-to-the-metal-politics like we endured with Barak Obama, pushing lots of laws and regulations upon us, they have decided to creep along slowly, and let Donald Trump do all the heavy lifting.  It is no wonder, the House and Senate have terrible approval ratings - they have earned it.

Write your Congressman & Senator.  President Trump is not the problem, *they* are the ones breaking promises.
It could be a new era in Washington, if it were not for McConnell and Ryan.

Shut it down, and NO back pay.  Let their Union pay for there time off.
Also NO pay for Congress for that time.  Let the pay there own Medical until the government is back up and running and the wall is being built. 

IF I worked for a Co. and they shut down for a month or two I would not get paid.  This will help lower the lower the swamp and we can see what people they don't need. 

LOL

Based on the democrats obstruction and the republicans lack of testicles the government is already shut down.

Quote from: mrclose on August 25, 2017, 09:06:11 PM
There were eight shutdowns under Reagan and he did alright!  :mellow:

The country certainly did.

Quote from: mrclose on August 25, 2017, 09:06:11 PM
There were eight shutdowns under Reagan and he did alright!  :mellow:

Even Carter had a few....

He should shut it down at the least to put the squeeze on.

Not just "yes" HELL YES....the left will go completely nuts. Shutdowns only adversely impact Washington DC....the rest of us don;t even notice.

Where did I read a shutdown in Washington = a boom in local sales?   

They quit spending OUR money, and actually start spending their OWN.

As I had previously commented on the issue; Trump signed a budget bill that did NOT allocate any additional fence or monies for any future wall.  He signed it and now he's saying he's going to shutdown the government on a issue he's already signed off on??  Maybe I've missed it, and yes he's trying to blame the DEMS, but I don't hear a lot of noise from them on this.  Gee ... perhaps it's because the GOP holds the majority and the DEMS know that they've got Ryan and the establishment on their side.  Ryan and the GOPe have proven this on more than one occasion.

Quote from: Ms.Independence on August 27, 2017, 10:26:07 AM
As I had previously commented on the issue; Trump signed a budget bill that did NOT allocate any additional fence or monies for any future wall.  He signed it and now he's saying he's going to shutdown the government on a issue he's already signed off on??  Maybe I've missed it, and yes he's trying to blame the DEMS, but I don't hear a lot of noise from them on this.  Gee ... perhaps it's because the GOP holds the majority and the DEMS know that they've got Ryan and the establishment on their side.  Ryan and the GOPe have proven this on more than one occasion.

Depends, was it a continuing resolution only good for a year, which in truth is just passing the buck to avoid an actual budget, or was it a two resolution, which again, means nothing, considering Trump is calling for an "Actual Budget" Bill.
Sure, it's 5 months early, but he is campaigning against the Establishment and putting them on notice early.

Quote from: Solar on August 27, 2017, 10:33:53 AM
Depends, was it a continuing resolution only good for a year, which in truth is just passing the buck to avoid an actual budget, or was it a two resolution, which again, means nothing, considering Trump is calling for an "Actual Budget" Bill.
Sure, it's 5 months early, but he is campaigning against the Establishment and putting them on notice early.

It was a bill to avert that last gov't shutdown. Yes, it put money towards more border security, but it specifically eliminates any future funding for border security.

Quote from: Ms.Independence on August 27, 2017, 10:48:55 AM
It was a bill to avert that last gov't shutdown. Yes, it put money towards more border security, but it specifically eliminates any future funding for border security.

I don't know where you got your information, but the actual Bill states otherwise.

House spending bill funds all of Trump's initial $1.6 billion border wall plan
Jul 11, 2017

A must-pass Homeland Security funding bill proposed by House Republicans on Tuesday includes $1.6 billion to fund the beginning of a border wall along the Mexican border that President Trump promised voters in 2016.

The money in included in the fiscal 2018 Department of Homeland Security appropriations bill, which is up for a subcommittee vote on Wednesday.

The $44.3 billion measure pays for a broad array of federal security programs, including aviation security, border and immigration enforcement, customs, cyberterrorism protection, drug smuggling prevention and natural disaster response.

The legislation includes $1.6 billion for a "physical barrier construction along the U.S. southern border."

The move will appease Trump and conservatives, but will likely set up a spending showdown with Democrats, who have pledged to block spending legislation that funds the wall.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-spending-bill-funds-all-of-trumps-initial-16-billion-border-wall-plan/article/2628336

Suggest a shut-up (for at least a decade) rather than a shut-down. 
All grasp the fundamental problem, namely that the GOP is not and has never, ever
(beginning w/Fremont of California in 1856) been a party of conservative principle;
as its legislative and judicial heritage, emphatically demonstrates.
Additionally, since an opposition party hasn't existed in DC during the 20th century;
our status quo is effectively permanent.
What could fill the void would be resolute leadership unafraid of instilling fear, nausea
and trembling among the political scumbags who fester in DC. Yet sadly, that doesn't exist.
Repeating a timeline, we are a tad past 200 years as a nation-state; a mere toddler when
compared to the longevity of those who came before us.
Most critically, there is nothing pre-ordained about our future;
as our destiny is of our own making. Yet several ominous straws are in the wind:
* our emigrants, virtually all from the entrepreneurial/inventor class of high net worth
individuals, have been accelerating their exit from the USA, acutely so for several decades.
* most immigrants who impose themselves on us, bring virtually nothing of value; the core
argument, defined by Adam Smith, supporting immigration.
Obviously, should these trends continue, as well as others; our nation simply will not!!!
 

Thinking more about it, when he shuts it down, that's when the clock starts to get everyone on board.  Playing arm-chair President, I'd shut it down then take a week off and play some golf and go do some rallies in their home districts/states.  I'd tell them not to call me until they can figure out how to get on board.

Quote from: taxed on August 27, 2017, 05:02:31 PM
Thinking more about it, when he shuts it down, that's when the clock starts to get everyone on board.  Playing arm-chair President, I'd shut it down then take a week off and play some golf and go do some rallies in their home districts/states.  I'd tell them not to call me until they can figure out how to get on board.

:thumbsup:

Quote from: Solar on August 27, 2017, 06:10:00 PM
:thumbsup:

Paul Ryan sweating trying to get him on the phone while his donors are ringing his phone off the hook:

PR: Ring..... Ring.... ( "come on Mr. President, answer the damn phone" ) Ring... Ring...

POTUS: Go for Trump...

PR: Oh thank God Mr. President... I've been trying to get hold of you for two days.  I am getting my ass handed to me constantly by my constituents, the other reps are up my ass because they're getting heat, and my donors are about to have me put in a box and shipped to Iraq.  We have to get this budget si----

POTUS: (* talking to Ivanka *) Great shot honey!   

PR: Mr. President??

POTUS: Paul?

PR: Yes Mr. President, we have to talk about this budget.  It's been a week and my balls are literally in a vice right now.  When ca-

POTUS:  (* talking to Eric *) I see it... it's right behind that tree.... No, bullshit!  You'll play it from there!

PR:  Mr. President, I reall-

POTUS:  Paul, my daughter drives the ball further than my son.  Can you believe that?  I mean, I told you she's a fantastic golfer.  Eric is fantastic, but Ivanka really, really fantastic.  She may be almost as good as me.  I mean she's fantastic.

PR:  GODDAMIT Mr. President! This is urgent!  I need to meet with you now!!

POTUS:  Paul, I'm sorry.  I know this is serious.  Tell me how the repeal bill and tax cut bill are going.  Can I finally sign them?

PR:  Mr. President, that bill failed.  And tax cuts are very complicated.  I've been working on some charts that will s----

POTUS:  Paul, hold on... (* puts phone on speaker and drops in grass *) .........   WHACK! .....  nice shot Mr. President  (* picks phone up and turns off speaker *)  Paul, you should have seen this drive...  If North Korea launched something that went as far as this I'd send a fleet of bombers.

PR:  (* slaps head *) I don't k--

POTUS:  Paul, how's Mitch doing?  We need to talk about Mitch.

PR:  Yes sir.  We're a little behind in Alabama, but we think we can paint Moore as a ra--

POTUS:  What's wrong with his neck?  Have you seen his neck?  That's disgusting.  Have you seen it?  Look, I know a great plastic surgeon.  He's the best.  He's fantastic.  Mitch can't walk around with that thing.  Paul it creeps me out I have to be honest.

PR:  (* sigh *) Yes, Mr. President.  We've all seen hi--

POTUS:  ( sound of cart pulling up to green )  Paul, I'm glad to hear about that bill.  I'm ready to sign it.  It repeals the whole thing, right?

PR:  Mr. President, that bill is dead.

POTUS:  Paul, you're doing a great job.  I'm going to take a break from golf and do a rally in Janesville next week.  Great people.  Hats are selling like you wouldn't believe there.  I think we set a record.  People in Wisconsin love that MAGA hats.  I beat Hillary in Wisconsin.  I beat her by a lot.  You know that, right?  I mean, a lot.  Paul, listen, you're doing great.  I'm going to remind them how good of a job you're doing.

PR:  Wait... Mr. President, wait.  Look, please hold off on the rally.  Let me get with Mick and see what we can---

POTUS:  You're doing a fantastic job Paul. They love you up there.  I can't wait to mention your name and tell them about all the great work you've been doing.

PR:  Mr. President, listen.  I know I've been a little slow but I'm going to deliver.  Your agenda is very important.  I'm going to go back to the drawing board and really figure something out.  It's been so stressful but you know  my donors.  They're so important and dear, but I'm going to figure something out.  I'll get something done soon.  How does that sound?   Mr. President?  Mr. President???

POTUS: (* in the background *) "nice put dad!" "yeah, great put dad!"   Paul, you should have seen this put.  Honestly, Paul, I'm a pretty damn good golfer I have to say.

PR:  OK Mr. President.

POTUS:  Paul, you're doing a great job.  I mean a really, really amazing job.  When you have the tax bill and repeal bill, give me a call and I'll sign it.  We'll do the budget too and end the shutdown.  Actually, do we need to end the shutdown?  I have to be honest, I like it better down here.  My chef is amazing.  He's better than the White House chef.  I mean he's absolutely fantastic.  I have the best chef.  Nobody knows gourmet chefs better than me.

PR:  Yes Mr. President.

POTUS:  Thanks for taking my call Paul.  I know you're busy.  You're doing an amazing job.  Let me know when I can sign something.

PR:  I called you Mr. Pre--

(DIAL TONE)

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I wonder if he realizes just how good of a position he's in right now? The way he's working the media over this, it would appear he does.
Seriously, if one is fool enough to believe the media and their phony polls, then things look really bad to a small percentage of mouth breathers, but the reality is, he's in control of the gop'E' only testicle, they gave the other one away to Moochelle. (Funny, neither party has a complete set between them)

More than 80% of the country knows a govt shutdown does absolutely nothing thanks to the Marxist when he had to force the closure of open area Fed parks to veterans, which turned out to be the lefts PR nightmare they couldn't spin their way out of if it had been on a circus ride.

I think Trump is doing some serious behind the scenes dealings here and it has the RNC shitting themselves over the budget they're about to be forced to sign after having to give up a lot of pork.
As you made clear, Ryan is watching his career and income coming to a screeching halt faster than the Dim party's fall over the cliff, and while McCON-nel' ass is getting more teeth marks than a Frisbee at a dog park.

The RNC was between a rock and a hard place during the debates when the country told their leftist candidates like Bush and his ilk to take a flying 'F' at a rolling donut, so they took the gamble and backed the only guy they thought they could manipulate, and why not, he even said he had NY values, (think commie Cuomo) so what could possibly go wrong?
The new lib only joined the party so he could run for POTUS because everyone knew the Dim party had cannibalized itself.

Now the former NY Dim turns on them, their backers see the writing on the wall and know they can't run to the Dims for support, so why waste their money, start backing Ryan's and the Con's challenger and all the other outed leftists in the gop'e and RNC.
As bad as it is for those leftists, it must be a real bitch for their leftist crony backers knowing TEA is once again about to rape the leftists in both party's.
And we're not bringing lube this time!!!

Quote from: Solar on August 27, 2017, 12:20:11 PM
I don't know where you got your information, but the actual Bill states otherwise.

House spending bill funds all of Trump's initial $1.6 billion border wall plan
Jul 11, 2017

A must-pass Homeland Security funding bill proposed by House Republicans on Tuesday includes $1.6 billion to fund the beginning of a border wall along the Mexican border that President Trump promised voters in 2016.

The money in included in the fiscal 2018 Department of Homeland Security appropriations bill, which is up for a subcommittee vote on Wednesday.

The $44.3 billion measure pays for a broad array of federal security programs, including aviation security, border and immigration enforcement, customs, cyberterrorism protection, drug smuggling prevention and natural disaster response.

The legislation includes $1.6 billion for a "physical barrier construction along the U.S. southern border."

The move will appease Trump and conservatives, but will likely set up a spending showdown with Democrats, who have pledged to block spending legislation that funds the wall.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-spending-bill-funds-all-of-trumps-initial-16-billion-border-wall-plan/article/2628336

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/05/02/spending-bill-excludes-border-wall-but-trump-declares-victory-anyway/101200694/

Quote from: Ms.Independence on August 28, 2017, 10:13:19 AM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/05/02/spending-bill-excludes-border-wall-but-trump-declares-victory-anyway/101200694/

It's an old article, they gave him what he wanted.
Read my link.

Quote from: taxed on August 27, 2017, 10:26:15 PM
Paul Ryan sweating trying to get him on the phone while his donors are ringing his phone off the hook:

PR: Ring..... Ring.... ( "come on Mr. President, answer the damn phone" ) Ring... Ring...

POTUS: Go for Trump...

PR: Oh thank God Mr. President... I've been trying to get hold of you for two days.  I am getting my ass handed to me constantly by my constituents, the other reps are up my ass because they're getting heat, and my donors are about to have me put in a box and shipped to Iraq.  We have to get this budget si----
..........
(DIAL TONE)

Hilarious!!!!   :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Looks like a handful of representatives in DC "get it".   I like this approach, if you MUST raise the debt ceiling, the budget needs to have accompanied spending cuts.

http://dailysignal.com/2017/09/01/conservative-lawmakers-hiking-debt-ceiling-wasted-opportunity-passed-without-reforms/

QuoteRep. Andy Biggs, R-Ariz., told The Daily Signal that any debt increase should be paired with spending reductions elsewhere.

"If a clean debt limit is passed, it would be a wasted opportunity," Biggs told The Daily Signal in a phone interview, referring to the practice of raising the debt limit without accompanying spending cuts.

"We need to be using the debt limit issue and start making meaningful and permanent deductions in spending ... [to be] moving us toward a balanced budget."

Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, is also wary of a debt increase without reform.

"The Freedom Caucus was urging, begging, just doing everything we could to get Republican elected leaders to bring the debt ceiling to the floor with some kind of cost control measure before August," Gohmert said, adding: 

If this is a "clean" bill to just raise the debt ceiling, will Donald Trump veto it?

Quote from: Hoofer on September 03, 2017, 02:28:16 PM
Looks like a handful of representatives in DC "get it".   I like this approach, if you MUST raise the debt ceiling, the budget needs to have accompanied spending cuts.

http://dailysignal.com/2017/09/01/conservative-lawmakers-hiking-debt-ceiling-wasted-opportunity-passed-without-reforms/
If this is a "clean" bill to just raise the debt ceiling, will Donald Trump veto it?

Nope, he'll sign whatever they tell him to sign.