Quote from: Ultra on September 10, 2015, 08:37:20 AM
The first point I'll make in support of my position is that the article in the OP engages in some speculation as to how many votes there may be in favor of removal but the only thing it states as a fact is that the GOP is currently one vote short of removal.

And they'll need two to ensure any ouster succeeds, yes? Now repeat after me: EARMARKS!!!! The party bulls will buy somebody off. It's never new and always "unexpectedly."

Quote from: quiller on September 10, 2015, 08:40:34 AM
And they'll need two to ensure any ouster succeeds, yes? Now repeat after me: EARMARKS!!!! The party bulls will buy somebody off. It's never new and always "unexpectedly."

I agree that people will be bought off, I just think it'll go in the other direction. I think the RNC, an organization not at all friendly to conservatives/TP candidates, will remind some people that they have a big say in who gets RNC backing when it comes to campaign ads and funding.

Doesn't the GOP caucus select their own leadership? Therefore, if a majority of the caucus goes with new leadership that is the group put before the entire House. If that is the case all the GOP members will vote for the new team. Why? Because in the House it is all about power. No sane GOP member would vote for a democrat Speaker as then they would lose all power in the committees. Someone please correct if I am not right.

Quote from: Ultra on September 10, 2015, 08:39:37 AM
I don't think he has outlived his usefulness to the Dems. They are the minority yet have an opposition speaker in their back pocket. Why would the Dems want him gone?

But, I don't think the Dems will need to save him, I think the RNC will.

Not if it means his every move is rejected by his own party. At this point they'd have a better shot at getting a Bill passed in compromise.

Quote from: supsalemgr on September 10, 2015, 09:19:15 AM
Doesn't the GOP caucus select their own leadership? Therefore, if a majority of the caucus goes with new leadership that is the group put before the entire House. If that is the case all the GOP members will vote for the new team. Why? Because in the House it is all about power. No sane GOP member would vote for a democrat Speaker as then they would lose all power in the committees. Someone please correct if I am not right.

Normally that's policy, but they can vote cross party lines, as a third party would align with those in power.
In the past, it would have been a death sentence for a Dim to support a Pub, but not in today's leftist climate of burn and pillage.

Quote from: Solar on September 10, 2015, 10:09:30 AM
Not if it means his every move is rejected by his own party. At this point they'd have a better shot at getting a Bill passed in compromise.

His every move isn't being rejected by his own party. Most republicans aren't conservative.

Quote from: Solar on September 10, 2015, 10:14:00 AM
Normally that's policy, but they can vote cross party lines, as a third party would align with those in power.
In the past, it would have been a death sentence for a Dim to support a Pub, but not in today's leftist climate of burn and pillage.

solar, I think sup was saying that the nomination of their leader takes place in the GOP caucus.  Dems can't vote there.  They only vote when it comes before the full House.

Quote from: Ultra on September 10, 2015, 10:22:01 AM
His every move isn't being rejected by his own party. Most republicans aren't conservative.

NOT yet!  But we are working on that. 

Quote from: walkstall on September 10, 2015, 11:10:42 AM
NOT yet!  But we are working on that.

I wish I could thank this. This is why I'm here. I'm not going to claim that I fit in 100% with any political group but the last few years have shown all of us that elections have consequences and you have to pick a side and a conservative GOP would most closely align with my beliefs. Not 100% but close enough that I'd be satisfied. I would love to see the GOP get rid of their prog element and actually live the rhetoric they spew during campaigns.

Quote from: Ultra on September 10, 2015, 11:16:43 AM
I wish I could thank this. This is why I'm here. I'm not going to claim that I fit in 100% with any political group but the last few years have shown all of us that elections have consequences and you have to pick a side and a conservative GOP would most closely align with my beliefs. Not 100% but close enough that I'd be satisfied. I would love to see the GOP get rid of their prog element and actually live the rhetoric they spew during campaigns.

You sound like most Lib's that's not happy with all the lies of the last 6+ years.   This has been one hell of a wake up call for a lot of lib's.

Quote from: walkstall on September 10, 2015, 11:28:15 AM

You sound like most Lib's that's not happy with all the lies of the last 6+ years.   This has been one hell of a wake up call for a lot of lib's.

I don't object to being called a Liberal, I'm sure some of my social positions probably won't go over well here and social conservatism is just not my thing but I'm not now and never have been a Democrat.

Quote from: Ultra on September 10, 2015, 11:31:50 AM
I don't object to being called a Liberal, I'm sure some of my social positions probably won't go over well here and social conservatism is just not my thing but I'm not now and never have been a Democrat.

I will just put you down as a Shill.   

Quote from: walkstall on September 10, 2015, 11:36:43 AM
I will just put you down as a Shill.   

Give me a few posts and I think I can change your mind.

Quote from: Ultra on September 10, 2015, 11:31:50 AM
I don't object to being called a Liberal, I'm sure some of my social positions probably won't go over well here and social conservatism is just not my thing but I'm not now and never have been a Democrat.

It sounds like you are more aligned as a libertarian.

Quote from: Ultra on September 10, 2015, 10:22:01 AM
His every move isn't being rejected by his own party. Most republicans aren't conservative.

With half of Congress trying to unseat him, it's pretty obvious he's already been rejected.