I saw this during the Sunday night game. It really pissed me off. It is pieces of liberal crap like this that are destroying the country.
Bob Costas on Gun Control following Jovan Belcher tragedy Sunday Night Half-Time Show Tribute (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOi7If0zW9s#ws)
I was thinking about posting something on this but was too lazy yesterday.
Costas got the whole thing wrong.
The USA isn't violent because of guns, the USA is just a violent place because ironically, professional athlete's like this drugged out idiot
help prepetuate the culture of violence thru contact sports and their extravagant lifesyle....drugs, women, booze gambling and the hip hop culture which foster said violence.
How many cases do we have of some pro like Mike Tyson raping some
little beauty queen, punching out a motorist, some other celebrity athlete
punching out or raping some woman, drunk driving etc etc etc.
Costas needs to get real and stop blaming guns and have these "role models" sraighten their act out.
Billy
What an idiot.
I'd like to use my "what if" machine and look at a world without guns, shall we?
Headlines: Hundreds maimed and killed by the actions of a fool with a truck Hell bent on crashing her ex boyfriends wedding in an attempt to kill him.
Hundreds killed when a bomb went off at at a funeral where a gang member was being eulogized.
Police are warning people in a 20 square mile to stay in their homes because of possible reprisal.
Sounds like a lib Utopia to me.....
My first thought was not of anger but of bewilderment. How much work has he had done?
costas carrys a purse the little liberal wimp that he is
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on December 04, 2012, 05:14:54 PM
I was thinking about posting something on this but was too lazy yesterday.
Costas got the whole thing wrong.
The USA isn't violent because of guns, the USA is just a violent place because ironically, professional athlete's like this drugged out idiot
help prepetuate the culture of violence thru contact sports and their extravagant lifesyle....drugs, women, booze gambling and the hip hop culture which foster said violence.
How many cases do we have of some pro like Mike Tyson raping some
little beauty queen, punching out a motorist, some other celebrity athlete
punching out or raping some woman, drunk driving etc etc etc.
Costas needs to get real and stop blaming guns and have these "role models" sraighten their act out.
Billy
In your own way you're just as bad as Costas. You take behavior by an
INDIVIDUAL, and want to spread the guilt over a group of like individuals. Only difference is Costas wants to blame gun owners, and you want to blame football players. The individual is responsible for their behavior - good or bad - not any particular group that individual happens to belong to.
Quote from: mdgiles on December 05, 2012, 06:46:12 AM
In your own way you're just as bad as Costas. You take behavior by an INDIVIDUAL, and want to spread the guilt over a group of like individuals. Only difference is Costas wants to blame gun owners, and you want to blame football players. The individual is responsible for their behavior - good or bad - not any particular group that individual happens to belong to.
Your analogy is wrong and you missed some important points or perhaps inferences.
Costas makes the
MISTAKE about 'guns' being the cause of the fact America is a violent SOCIETY. I conjectured that with pointing out the
IRONY, how a group he identifies with who participate in
contact sports , boxing, MMA and football. Are violent by profession.
Agree or not these athlete's are ROLE MODEL's and ROLE MODEL's bear a responsibility in society....our children emulate them!!!!!!
I'm going to touch on another subject and I know how you feel about it and I don't want to get invloved in another drug debate but I have to mention it here as it is pertinent.
Professional athletes by and large engage in "performance enhancing" drugs...In my weightlifting days it was steroids, nowadays it's pain killers, cocaine and other recreational drugs. Now based on experience I can surmise how many athletes engage in drug use either for performance, "pain issues" or recreation but once again these ROLE MODEL's are known for their substance abuse. AND DRUGS IMPAIR ONES JUDGEMENT AND IMPACT DEMEANOR.
Couple all this together and you have a perfect storm for someone who is so trained, so encouraged to perpetrate acts of violence, so clouded by drug abuse mayhem...with or without a firearm...Mayhem results.
Now of course Costa's, being a jerk, isn't going to lay any reponsibility on what amounts to his bread and butter, however if I was in a room with him I'd throw those aforementioned FACTS in his face
Now if it makes you happy I suppose I shall have to publish a disclaimer and say that not all Athletes are "bad" and not all of them are involved in substance abuse.
Billy
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on December 05, 2012, 02:57:44 PM
Your analogy is wrong and you missed some important points or perhaps inferences.
Costas makes the MISTAKE about 'guns' being the cause of the fact America is a violent SOCIETY. I conjectured that with pointing out the IRONY, how a group he identifies with who participate in contact sports , boxing, MMA and football. Are violent by profession.
Agree or not these athlete's are ROLE MODEL's and ROLE MODEL's bear a responsibility in society....our children emulate them!!!!!!
I'm going to touch on another subject and I know how you feel about it and I don't want to get invloved in another drug debate but I have to mention it here as it is pertinent.
Professional athletes by and large engage in "performance enhancing" drugs...In my weightlifting days it was steroids, nowadays it's pain killers, cocaine and other recreational drugs. Now based on experience I can surmise how many athletes engage in drug use either for performance, "pain issues" or recreation but once again these ROLE MODEL's are known for their substance abuse. AND DRUGS IMPAIR ONES JUDGEMENT AND IMPACT DEMEANOR.
Couple all this together and you have a perfect storm for someone who is so trained, so encouraged to perpetrate acts of violence, so clouded by drug abuse mayhem...with or without a firearm...Mayhem results.
Now of course Costa's, being a jerk, isn't going to lay any reponsibility on what amounts to his bread and butter, however if I was in a room with him I'd throw those aforementioned FACTS in his face
Now if it makes you happy I suppose I shall have to publish a disclaimer and say that not all Athletes are "bad" and not all of them are involved in substance abuse.
Billy
I think we are forgetting the fact that 99% of athletes, regardless of whether or not they use so-called performance enhancing drugs or pain killers or what have you, don't go around murdering their girlfriends and then commiting suicide in front of their coaches.
However the ones that do such things are almost universally black and come from the inner cities. They often come from single parent homes and are exposed to all sorts of racist (anti-white) rhetoric in various different forms - from what they hear in churches such as the Trinity United (former home of Jeremiah Wright and his padewan Barrack Hussein Obama) to the music they listen to (and I use the term "music" loosely) to what they hear from their political leader like Jesse Jackson, Jesse Jackson Jr, and Al Sharpeton et al - all of which preach a "Hate Whitey" dogma 24/7/365.
Combine that with sports programs which put the only emphasis on performance on the field and, yes, you are setting up these young men for a mighty big fall! I am just amazed that there are not more of these kind of incidents!
I wish I could remember what movie it was but there was a scene where this aspiring young black basketball player (I think) was hoping to go pro some day. He was asked about his future and he said,
"The first thing an NBA rookie gets is a white woman and a Cadillac". To me, that is the problem in a nutshell.
Quote from: Solar on December 04, 2012, 05:15:26 PM
What an idiot.
I'd like to use my "what if" machine and look at a world without guns, shall we?
Headlines: Hundreds maimed and killed by the actions of a fool with a truck Hell bent on crashing her ex boyfriends wedding in an attempt to kill him.
Hundreds killed when a bomb went off at at a funeral where a gang member was being eulogized.
Police are warning people in a 20 square mile to stay in their homes because of possible reprisal.
Sounds like a lib Utopia to me.....
Bob Costas sat next to O.J. Simpson for years doing T.V. sports, and you know what? Not having a gun didn't keep Costas former co-worker and friend from brutally murdering his ex-wife and her supposed boyfriend!
Quote from: Darth Fife on December 06, 2012, 08:31:06 AM
Bob Costas sat next to O.J. Simpson for years doing T.V. sports, and you know what? Not having a gun didn't keep Costas former co-worker and friend from brutally murdering his ex-wife and her supposed boyfriend!
Yep, and had either Nicole or Ron had been packing an equalizer, we'd have been deluged with a month long OJ eulogy and funeral. :biggrin:
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on December 05, 2012, 02:57:44 PM
Your analogy is wrong and you missed some important points or perhaps inferences.
Costas makes the MISTAKE about 'guns' being the cause of the fact America is a violent SOCIETY. I conjectured that with pointing out the IRONY, how a group he identifies with who participate in contact sports , boxing, MMA and football. Are violent by profession.
Agree or not these athlete's are ROLE MODEL's and ROLE MODEL's bear a responsibility in society....our children emulate them!!!!!!
I'm going to touch on another subject and I know how you feel about it and I don't want to get invloved in another drug debate but I have to mention it here as it is pertinent.
Professional athletes by and large engage in "performance enhancing" drugs...In my weightlifting days it was steroids, nowadays it's pain killers, cocaine and other recreational drugs. Now based on experience I can surmise how many athletes engage in drug use either for performance, "pain issues" or recreation but once again these ROLE MODEL's are known for their substance abuse. AND DRUGS IMPAIR ONES JUDGEMENT AND IMPACT DEMEANOR.
Couple all this together and you have a perfect storm for someone who is so trained, so encouraged to perpetrate acts of violence, so clouded by drug abuse mayhem...with or without a firearm...Mayhem results.
Now of course Costa's, being a jerk, isn't going to lay any reponsibility on what amounts to his bread and butter, however if I was in a room with him I'd throw those aforementioned FACTS in his face
Now if it makes you happy I suppose I shall have to publish a disclaimer and say that not all Athletes are "bad" and not all of them are involved in substance abuse.
Billy
Uh BULLSHIT, you're doing the same goddam thing Costas is doing - blaming a group for the behavior of an individual. So the phuck what, if football players, or MMA fighters, or Boxers make a living knocking other human beings down, the majority of them aren't murdering their girlfriends. That's the point! Not that he was blaming the wrong group, or being hypocritical about blaming a group. He should never have been blaming anyone except the murderer himself.
IT'S THAT HE WAS BLAMING AN INANIMATE OBJECT AND OWNERS OF THIS INANIMATE OBJECT FOR THE BEHAVIOR OF ONE WARPED INDIVIDUAL. Way too many people who call themselves conservative, have exactly the same mindset as the Leftoids. It's all about groups never individuals. The only difference is that they want to lay blame on different groups.
Quote from: Darth Fife on December 06, 2012, 08:26:31 AM
I think we are forgetting the fact that 99% of athletes, regardless of whether or not they use so-called performance enhancing drugs or pain killers or what have you, don't go around murdering their girlfriends and then commiting suicide in front of their coaches.
However the ones that do such things are almost universally black and come from the inner cities. They often come from single parent homes and are exposed to all sorts of racist (anti-white) rhetoric in various different forms - from what they hear in churches such as the Trinity United (former home of Jeremiah Wright and his padewan Barrack Hussein Obama) to the music they listen to (and I use the term "music" loosely) to what they hear from their political leader like Jesse Jackson, Jesse Jackson Jr, and Al Sharpeton et al - all of which preach a "Hate Whitey" dogma 24/7/365.
Combine that with sports programs which put the only emphasis on performance on the field and, yes, you are setting up these young men for a mighty big fall! I am just amazed that there are not more of these kind of incidents!
I wish I could remember what movie it was but there was a scene where this aspiring young black basketball player (I think) was hoping to go pro some day. He was asked about his future and he said, "The first thing an NBA rookie gets is a white woman and a Cadillac". To me, that is the problem in a nutshell.
So which is the problem. The Cadillac or the white woman? One of the problems of being a black conservative, is the constant need to explain that, NO, all white conservatives aren't a bunch of reactionary, Archie Bunker racists. And then your ilk comes sliming along. Amazing how A-holes like yourself can go on and on about Jackson and Sharpton making them representative of blacks. But some how, some way never seem to work Dr Sowell or Justice Thomas into the conversation. Guess you haven't got pass the;
"they all think and look alike" point. Sigh - gets old.
Quote from: Darth Fife on December 06, 2012, 08:26:31 AM
I think we are forgetting the fact that 99% of athletes, regardless of whether or not they use so-called performance enhancing drugs or pain killers or what have you, don't go around murdering their girlfriends and then commiting suicide in front of their coaches.
However the ones that do such things are almost universally black and come from the inner cities. They often come from single parent homes and are exposed to all sorts of racist (anti-white) rhetoric in various different forms - from what they hear in churches such as the Trinity United (former home of Jeremiah Wright and his padewan Barrack Hussein Obama) to the music they listen to (and I use the term "music" loosely) Al Sharpeton et al - all of which preach a "Hate Whitey" dogma 24/7/3to what they hear , Jesse Jackson Jr, and 65.
Combine that with sports programs which put the only emphasis on performance on the field and, yes, you are setting up these young men for a mighty big fall! I am just amazed that there are not more of these kind of incidents!
I wish I could remember what movie it was but there was a scene where this aspiring young black basketball player (I think) was hoping to go pro some day. He was asked about his future and he said, "The first thing an NBA rookie gets is a white woman and a Cadillac".
To me, that is the problem in a nutshell.
from their political leader like Jesse Jackson...Whats been done to him, you need to leave him out of it........
Quote from: mdgiles on December 06, 2012, 10:14:45 AM
So which is the problem. The Cadillac or the white woman? One of the problems of being a black conservative, is the constant need to explain that, NO, all white conservatives aren't a bunch of reactionary, Archie Bunker racists. And then your ilk comes sliming along. Amazing how A-holes like yourself can go on and on about Jackson and Sharpton making them representative of blacks. But some how, some way never seem to work Dr Sowell or Justice Thomas into the conversation. Guess you haven't got pass the; "they all think and look alike" point. Sigh - gets old.
That post was written
specifically for you. It is my version of your "One Drop Rule" horseshit!
Here is a thought. You stop making racist generalizations and I'll stop too.
:smile:
Quote from: jksr1 on December 06, 2012, 10:46:59 AM
from their political leader like Jesse Jackson...Whats been done to him, you need to leave him out of it........
What political position has Jesse Jackson Sr. ever held?
Quote from: Darth Fife on December 06, 2012, 10:57:28 AM
That post was written specifically for you. It is my version of your "One Drop Rule" horseshit!
Here is a thought. You stop making racist generalizations and I'll stop too.
:smile:
It's not "horseshit". As I - and indeed another poster pointed out - it used to be quite common and the was the actual law of the land. Hard to have a set of Jim Crow laws with out being legally exact on who the "colored" folks and the "white" folks are. However, if you want real graduations of exactness on racial matters, check the old Apartheid Laws of South Africa. Just because you're dumber than dirt about the history of our country, don't assume that everyone else is! Oh and BTW, as I noted, many old ideas have become so internalized that everyone assumes them without thinking about their origin.
Quote from: mdgiles on December 06, 2012, 10:04:22 AM
Uh BULLSHIT, you're doing the same goddam thing Costas is doing - blaming a group for the behavior of an individual. So the phuck what, if football players, or MMA fighters, or Boxers make a living knocking other human beings down, the majority of them aren't murdering their girlfriends. That's the point! Not that he was blaming the wrong group, or being hypocritical about blaming a group. He should never have been blaming anyone except the murderer himself. IT'S THAT HE WAS BLAMING AN INANIMATE OBJECT AND OWNERS OF THIS INANIMATE OBJECT FOR THE BEHAVIOR OF ONE WARPED INDIVIDUAL. Way too many people who call themselves conservative, have exactly the same mindset as the Leftoids. It's all about groups never individuals. The only difference is that they want to lay blame on different groups.
Listen to yourself, you really don't know what you are saying.
Boxers, football players, Hockey players, Judoka,MMA cage fighters are
Individuals who are
responsible for their behavior... Yes they belong to a specific group, a group of people who are OFTEN ROLE MODELS. SO THE RESPONSIBILITY IS ENHANCED...whats so hard for you to understand?
Individuals with a magnified role in our society responsible for their behavior is a concept so center to the core of CONSERVATIVE principals it probably should be written in stone tablets and placed in front of every court house inthe Land.
You can apply that to COPS, Firemen, POLITICANS, Priests and TEACHERS, Besides professional athletes.
Inantimate objects Guns, knives,baseball bats, cars, toilet tank covers (yes I investigated a homicde once where this was the murder weapon) have a dual purpose....how the individual uses that object determines if he is a responsible individual or not.
Billy
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on December 06, 2012, 02:33:36 PM
Listen to yourself, you really don't know what you are saying.
Boxers, football players, Hockey players, Judoka,MMA cage fighters are
Individuals who are responsible for their behavior... Yes they belong to a specific group, a group of people who are OFTEN ROLE MODELS. SO THE RESPONSIBILITY IS ENHANCED...whats so hard for you to understand?
Individuals with a magnified role in our society responsible for their behavior is a concept so center to the core of CONSERVATIVE principals it probably should be written in stone tablets and placed in front of every court house inthe Land.
You can apply that to COPS, Firemen, POLITICANS, Priests and TEACHERS, Besides professional athletes.
Inantimate objects Guns, knives,baseball bats, cars, toilet tank covers (yes I investigated a homicde once where this was the murder weapon) have a dual purpose....how the individual uses that object determines if he is a responsible individual or not.
Billy
Costas used the death of that woman as an anti gun spiel. Some how the gun caused whatever his name is to shot his girlfriend about nine times.
THAT and the fact that he had to deliver his spiel in the middle of a football game - when most of the public was expecting nothing more than an update on the scores. Then you entered the conversation and took it sideways into how some groups of people are prone to violence.
INDIVIDUALS commit acts of violence. "COPS, Firemen, POLITICIANS, Priests and TEACHERS, ....professional athletes" don't commit violence, individuals who are
sometimes employed as "COPS, Firemen, POLITICIANS, Priests and TEACHERS, .....professional athletes" commit violence. There is a major difference between those two statements, though I doubt that you'll see it.
Quote from: jksr1 on December 06, 2012, 10:46:59 AM
from their political leader like Jesse Jackson...Whats been done to him, you need to leave him out of it........
Meant, When he was a young man fighting for his rights. He has seen alot and has done alot of good.. Just saying.
Quote from: jksr1 on December 07, 2012, 03:40:12 AM
Meant, When he was a young man fighting for his rights. He has seen alot and has done alot of good.. Just saying.
If you think lying and pulling off shakedowns is considered admirable, then yeah, to a lib, he has done well...
Quote from: jksr1 on December 07, 2012, 03:40:12 AM
Meant, When he was a young man fighting for his rights. He has seen alot and has done alot of good.. Just saying.
Question still stands. What political position has Jesse Jackson Sr. ever held? Just because the media constantly puts someones face on the 6:00 News, doesn't make them a "political leader". By that reasoning, any of these entertainment types constantly polluting the air waves, are "political leaders".
Quote from: mdgiles on December 06, 2012, 04:14:46 PM
Costas used the death of that woman as an anti gun spiel. Some how the gun caused whatever his name is to shot his girlfriend about nine times. THAT and the fact that he had to deliver his spiel in the middle of a football game - when most of the public was expecting nothing more than an update on the scores. Then you entered the conversation and took it sideways into how some groups of people are prone to violence. INDIVIDUALS commit acts of violence. "COPS, Firemen, POLITICIANS, Priests and TEACHERS, ....professional athletes" don't commit violence, individuals who are sometimes employed as "COPS, Firemen, POLITICIANS, Priests and TEACHERS, .....professional athletes" commit violence. There is a major difference between those two statements, though I doubt that you'll see it.
You really are starting to babble and contradict yourself, missing the valid points altogether I see.
Billy
Quote from: mdgiles on December 07, 2012, 12:15:26 PM
Question still stands. What political position has Jesse Jackson Sr. ever held? Just because the media constantly puts someones face on the 6:00 News, doesn't make them a "political leader". By that reasoning, any of these entertainment types constantly polluting the air waves, are "political leaders".
Ah! Now I see your problem! You are naive enough to think that Jesse Jackson Sr is something other than a self promoting, greedy narcissist who uses race baiting tactics to shake down innocent corporations and individuals solely to enrich himself!
If he hadn't been standing next to Dr King when he got shot, nobody would even know who Jackson is today!
Jackson is the race baiter's race baiter.
I suggest you read "Shakedown" by Kenneth R. Timmerman if you want to find out who the
real Jesse Jackson is!
BTW MD, I used to think of Jesse Jackson pretty much the same way you apparently do. It was really traumatic for me to find out the truth about him. He
used to be one of my heroes.
Now, he is just another cheap hustler!
Well Jesse jackson does refer to himself as Washington DC "Shadow" Senator.
Whatever the hell that is supposed to mean.
Billy
Quote from: Darth Fife on December 07, 2012, 04:01:31 PM
Ah! Now I see your problem! You are naive enough to think that Jesse Jackson Sr is something other than a self promoting, greedy narcissist who uses race baiting tactics to shake down innocent corporations and individuals solely to enrich himself!
If he hadn't been standing next to Dr King when he got shot, nobody would even know who Jackson is today!
Jackson is the race baiter's race baiter.
I suggest you read "Shakedown" by Kenneth R. Timmerman if you want to find out who the real Jesse Jackson is!
BTW MD, I used to think of Jesse Jackson pretty much the same way you apparently do. It was really traumatic for me to find out the truth about him. He used to be one of my heroes.
Now, he is just another cheap hustler!
Actually he was on the floor below King, and his claim is he was the last to talk to King.
However, witnesses called that an outright lie...
Quote from: Darth Fife on December 07, 2012, 04:01:31 PM
Ah! Now I see your problem! You are naive enough to think that Jesse Jackson Sr is something other than a self promoting, greedy narcissist who uses race baiting tactics to shake down innocent corporations and individuals solely to enrich himself!
If he hadn't been standing next to Dr King when he got shot, nobody would even know who Jackson is today!
Jackson is the race baiter's race baiter.
I suggest you read "Shakedown" by Kenneth R. Timmerman if you want to find out who the real Jesse Jackson is!
BTW MD, I used to think of Jesse Jackson pretty much the same way you apparently do. It was really traumatic for me to find out the truth about him. He used to be one of my heroes.
Now, he is just another cheap hustler!
I'm not the one that promoted Jackson to the position of political leader. I realize this is difficult for some people to understand, but I'm sort of tired of having anything Jackson says automatically taken as a belief held by all blacks. You know, as opposed to just his individual positions. Make you a deal - if you stop assuming that anything Jackson or Sharpton says represents all blacks, then I won't assume that the American Nazi Party, or Aryan Nations , or the Ku Klux Klan represents all whites.
You see the problem is all yours. When I challenged you to name any political position Jackson had ever held, you leaped to the conclusion that I was defending him. In reality I was asking you to support your characterizing him as a "political leader".
Quote from: mdgiles on December 08, 2012, 10:40:52 AM
I'm not the one that promoted Jackson to the position of political leader. I realize this is difficult for some people to understand, but I'm sort of tired of having anything Jackson says automatically taken as a belief held by all blacks. You know, as opposed to just his individual positions. Make you a deal - if you stop assuming that anything Jackson or Sharpton says represents all blacks, then I won't assume that the American Nazi Party, or Aryan Nations , or the Ku Klux Klan represents all whites.
You see the problem is all yours. When I challenged you to name any political position Jackson had ever held, you leaped to the conclusion that I was defending him. In reality I was asking you to support your characterizing him as a "political leader".
You are dealing in semantics!
Is not Jesse Jackson a well know and respected leader in the Black Community?
Is Jesse Jackson extremely influential in the Black Community?
Is Jesse Jackson not an extreme Left Wing Ideologue?
Did Jesse Jackson not run for president?
Are you trying to tell me that Jesse Jackson is a Tea Party Republican or what?
Quote from: Darth Fife on December 08, 2012, 07:28:16 PM
You are dealing in semantics!
Is not Jesse Jackson a well know and respected leader in the Black Community?
Is Jesse Jackson extremely influential in the Black Community?
Is Jesse Jackson not an extreme Left Wing Ideologue?
Did Jesse Jackson not run for president?
Are you trying to tell me that Jesse Jackson is a Tea Party Republican or what?
I'll ask you again. See if you can bend those few working brain cells around the question. WHAT POLITICAL POSITION HAS JACKSON EVER HELD? I don't consider having your face constantly slapped on a TV screen a political position. I don't consider the Left wing media treating every statement he makes as revealed truth, a political position. As I said, you can't seem to wrap your head around the fact that pointing out your mischaracterization of Jackson says nothing in the defense of Jackson. Oh yeah, and didn't David Dukes and George Wallace run for President? Not to mention that they actually held political positions. Jackson and Sharpton aren't "political leaders" simply because a whole bunch of left wing, white guys - and more than a few right wing white guys - want them to be seen as leaders.
EDIT: BTW, in reality there is no such animal as "the Black community", just as there is no such animal as "the White community". I have enough intelligence to realize that assuming all whites think, act, and see the world with the same viewpoint; is insulting at best - mindless bigotry at worse. I'm into my seventh decade, and I note that far too many whites seem to be unable to display the same intelligence relative to blacks.
Will you accept Jesse Jackson Sr's own words on the subject?
"My religion obligates me to be political, to seek to do God's will and allow the spiritual word to become concrete justice and dwell among us. Religion should use you politically to do public service. Politics should not misuse religion. When the Word becomes flesh and dwells among us, that's called good religion."
-Jesse Jackson Sr, Search for Common Ground by Charles Henry, Pg 37
"Reagan curbed inflation by cutting consumer demand. He used the Federal budget to deliberately induce unemployment and curb social spending."
-Jesse Jackson, Sr Address to the Democrat National Convention, July 17, 1984
Right now, America lacks a clear direction for energy policy. Our current path favors big oil and coal interests, which don't offer the potential job growth of a clean energy economy. Offshore drilling provides a few thousand jobs nationwide, but, as the BP oil spill recently demonstrated, can jeopardize millions of other jobs in other industries such as fishing and tourism. The status quo, quite simply, is not working: We need the Senate to pass a strong climate bill that will boost investment in these sectors and provide broad job opportunities in renewable energy.
-Jesse Jackson Sr, Aug 24, 2010
Jesse Jackson, speaking before a World Policy Forum in France, suggested that an Obama presidency would put an end to excessive "Zionist" influence in American foreign policy. In a subsequent "clarification," Jackson repudiated the column and confirmed that he "has never had a conversation with Sen. Obama about Israel or the Middle East."
In other words, he got called on the carpet for his political position and had to retract it! :laugh:
"You must never forget that about the time we began to take over the cities, Nixon shifted the power to the suburbs. "Now Reagan has shifted it to the states. So you have mayors who have more and more responsibility and less and less power. We got more and more votes and fewer and fewer services. We cannot stop. We got to rise on higher."
Jesse Jackson Sr, 1984
Lest I waste too much of our hosts bandwidth, spoonfeeding you information you are afraid to look for yourself, here is a link to all of JESSE JACKSON SRs POLITICAL STATEMENTS and POLITICAL POSITION on the ISSUES!
http://www.ontheissues.org/Rev__Jesse_Jackson.htm (http://www.ontheissues.org/Rev__Jesse_Jackson.htm)
Quote from: mdgiles on December 09, 2012, 08:43:38 AM
EDIT: BTW, in reality there is no such animal as "the Black community", just as there is no such animal as "the White community".
Tell that to CNN/ABC/CBS/NBC/FOX/MSNBC, et al - and the Democrat and Republican parties at large. :laugh:
Quote from: Darth Fife on December 09, 2012, 12:49:47 PM
Tell that to CNN/ABC/CBS/NBC/FOX/MSNBC, et al - and the Democrat and Republican parties at large. :laugh:
Ah. Now, all of a sudden the LSM, is revealed truth? You know, I was going to write a long post about your "Archie Bunker" outlook, and your obvious inability to see blacks as individuals. But why bother, you're just another one of those types, who sometimes gravitate to conservative boards. You're not really conservative. More like they're looking for a place to display their ignorance - along with their inner bigot. If you had the intelligence that GOD gave a bag of hammers, it would occur to you that speaking of a "black community" as if it really existed, as opposed to a phrase supposedly representative of majority black opinion (again wrong); makes no more sense then speaking of a "white community".
Quote from: mdgiles on December 09, 2012, 04:13:18 PM
Ah. Now, all of a sudden the LSM, is revealed truth? You know, I was going to write a long post about your "Archie Bunker" outlook, and your obvious inability to see blacks as individuals. But why bother, you're just another one of those types, who sometimes gravitate to conservative boards. You're not really conservative. More like they're looking for a place to display their ignorance - along with their inner bigot. If you had the intelligence that GOD gave a bag of hammers, it would occur to you that speaking of a "black community" as if it really existed, as opposed to a phrase supposedly representative of majority black opinion (again wrong); makes no more sense then speaking of a "white community".
We really need a sarcasm emoticon!
I guess my putting a laugh at the end of my statement didn't convey my meaning.
Look, I don't believe in there being a white community, or a black community or a purple dog community - I believe in American Communities.
I grew up in a small border town on the north side of the Mason Dixon line. The town I lived in had a higher than average percentage of black families. In fact the first friend I ever had was a little black kid. We would climb up on an old 55 gallon drum behind my house and pretend it was a rocketship and play "Rocky Jones - Space Ranger"! (Which will probably give away my general age! LOL)
The only problem I have with blacks is too damned many of them voted for Obama - simply because he is black (well, half black anyhow)!
QuoteThe only problem I have with blacks is too damned many of them voted for Obama - simply because he is black (well, half black anyhow)!
And if they had voted for him because they were Catholic, and so was he (remember JFK). How about Orthodox Jews (remember Lieberman)? How about because he was from the same state (called a favorite son). Are any other ethnic groups forbidden from voting for a candidate, if they happen to belong to the same ethnic group?
Quote from: mdgiles on December 10, 2012, 02:56:09 PM
And if they had voted for him because they were Catholic, and so was he (remember JFK). How about Orthodox Jews (remember Lieberman)? How about because he was from the same state (called a favorite son). Are any other ethnic groups forbidden from voting for a candidate, if they happen to belong to the same ethnic group?
Did Catholics suffer twice as much as the rest or the country due to the policies of JFK? As for Jews, they vote overwhelmingly for Democrats even though the Democrat Party is very anti-Israel, yeah, I have a problem with that too!
My question to you is, why aren't you more upset about "your people" voting in such large numbers to support a political party and ideology which is basically keeping them "on the plantation"?
I'm not your problem. Your problem is the 95% of your "brothers and sisters" who are voting for their own enslavement.
Quote from: Darth Fife on December 12, 2012, 06:23:48 PM
Did Catholics suffer twice as much as the rest or the country due to the policies of JFK? As for Jews, they vote overwhelmingly for Democrats even though the Democrat Party is very anti-Israel, yeah, I have a problem with that too!
My question to you is, why aren't you more upset about "your people" voting in such large numbers to support a political party and ideology which is basically keeping them "on the plantation"?
I'm not your problem. Your problem is the 95% of your "brothers and sisters" who are voting for their own enslavement.
Because I recognize that the idea that blacks vote monolithically is
BULLSHIT. They media and the Dems are simply playing to people like you who are willing to believe that crap. First off, that idea ignores all us blacks who live out in the burbs or in rural areas - who for some strange reason get folded into the white votes in those areas. Secondly, the idea that blacks vote monolitically makes it easier to steal votes in the inner cities. I hear about 59 precincts, where Romney didn't get one vote, and call BULL. People like you, OTOH, are quite willing to believe that represents reality. Ask yourself, would you accept a report that 59 white precincts reported Obozo not getting one vote? Then ask yourself why you're willing to believe that about Romney in 59 black precincts. If blacks could be counted upon to vote as a group, you wouldn't see such utter panic on the part of the Liberal House Negroes every time a black Republican appeared. It's what
Glenn Reynolds calls a
"Preference Cascade"
Quote from: mdgiles on December 14, 2012, 04:07:11 AM
Because I recognize that the idea that blacks vote monolithically is BULLSHIT. They media and the Dems are simply playing to people like you who are willing to believe that crap. First off, that idea ignores all us blacks who live out in the burbs or in rural areas - who for some strange reason get folded into the white votes in those areas. Secondly, the idea that blacks vote monolitically makes it easier to steal votes in the inner cities. I hear about 59 precincts, where Romney didn't get one vote, and call BULL. People like you, OTOH, are quite willing to believe that represents reality. Ask yourself, would you accept a report that 59 white precincts reported Obozo not getting one vote? Then ask yourself why you're willing to believe that about Romney in 59 black precincts. If blacks could be counted upon to vote as a group, you wouldn't see such utter panic on the part of the Liberal House Negroes every time a black Republican appeared. It's what Glenn Reynolds calls a "Preference Cascade"
Okay what percent of the Black Vote do you think went to Obama? Please provide a reliable source for your assertion.
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