I am sure my 03 has something on it. I know my GPS system has a lot of data in it. From speed to coordinates for the last 5 years.
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In the next few days, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is expected to propose long-delayed regulations requiring auto manufacturers to include event data recorders — better known as "black boxes" — in all new cars and light trucks. But the agency is behind the curve. Automakers have been quietly tucking the devices, which automatically record the actions of drivers and the responses of their vehicles in a continuous information loop, into most new cars for years.
snip~
Besides the upcoming proposal to put recorders in all new vehicles, the traffic safety administration is also considering expanding the data requirement to include as many as 30 additional types of data such as whether the vehicle's electronic stability control was engaged, the driver's seat position or whether the front-seat passenger was belted in. Some manufacturers already are collecting the information. Engineers have identified more than 80 data points that might be useful.
Despite privacy complaints, the traffic safety administration so far hasn't put any limits on how the information can be used. About a dozen states have some law regarding data recorders, but the rest do not.
more @
http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20121207/US.Black.Boxes.Cars/?cid=hero_media (http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20121207/US.Black.Boxes.Cars/?cid=hero_media)
I read this yesterday and was disappointed that they purposefully avoided the GPS issue, in it's stead justified the NTSB plan by explaining we have had it all along.
That's like claiming you have to wear seal belts, so what's one more safety feature like tracking?
I am really tired of an overbearing big brother Govt, I am so ready to see it's demise.
Come on Hussein, finish it off, that was your plan all along.... :glare:
Hey! Thanks for the reminder. When I was in England our group was told about a joint project between the USA and England that a "Test Town" was being built in England to develop GPS units in automobiles that will send traffic violations via sattelite to be automatically paid for from peoples bank accounts, amongst other information. over the speed limit? Stop just past a stop sign? Cha-ching! Thank you very much. It is for the children!
It seem fairly common knowledge over there, I will go poke around and see if I can find out more.
So they will know how fast you drive, It's obvious where this is going...
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 07, 2012, 02:02:03 PM
So they will know how fast you drive, It's obvious where this is going...
Along with where you go, how long you were there. Number of people in yout car. Where you dropped someone off. The list just keeps going. There no end to what big brother will do for control and money.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 07, 2012, 02:02:03 PM
So they will know how fast you drive, It's obvious where this is going...
All they need is to electronically transfer the speed you drive, along with location & ID, match that up with local speed limits, and it could be their next revenue driver. :blink:
Quote from: rocca on December 07, 2012, 02:51:01 PM
All they need is to electronically transfer the speed you drive, along with location & ID, match that up with local speed limits, and it could be their next revenue driver. :blink:
My thought exactly! No more speed traps. All a cop has to do is pick a car at random, pull him/her over and then download the data from his "black box" - instant ticket.
And, it doesn't have to be limited to the local area - with GPS data and mapping software, they will be able to check all the way back to when you bought your car!
Theoretically, anyhow...
BTW, my F250 was built in 2000 and I'm not planning on getting a new one any time soon! :laugh:
As I understand it, the ultimate goal is a ticketless system, to free up police for more crucial matters. Cameras will not be needed, the owner of the vehical is responsible for whatever his or her car is being driven to do. Courts will be freed up as well. In theory, accidents will be reduced and lives saved as people will pay more attention as they drive.
I am still looking for proof of this "Test Town".
Quote from: Eyesabide on December 07, 2012, 09:52:48 PM
As I understand it, the ultimate goal is a ticketless system, to free up police for more crucial matters. Cameras will not be needed, the owner of the vehical is responsible for whatever his or her car is being driven to do. Courts will be freed up as well. In theory, accidents will be reduced and lives saved as people will pay more attention as they drive.
I am still looking for proof of this "Test Town".
I am sure a jamming device will come out. If there will there is away oround it.
Quote from: Eyesabide on December 07, 2012, 09:52:48 PM
As I understand it, the ultimate goal is a ticketless system, to free up police for more crucial matters. Cameras will not be needed, the owner of the vehical is responsible for whatever his or her car is being driven to do. Courts will be freed up as well. In theory, accidents will be reduced and lives saved as people will pay more attention as they drive.
I am still looking for proof of this "Test Town".
Here you go. They'll be continuing to find ways to get us, although I don't think they are taking the money directly out of bank accounts........................yet.
http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1044543_smile-for-the-camera-big-brother-is-watching-you-speed-via-satellite (http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1044543_smile-for-the-camera-big-brother-is-watching-you-speed-via-satellite)
Quote from: kramarat on December 08, 2012, 06:23:38 AM
Here you go. They'll be continuing to find ways to get us, although I don't think they are taking the money directly out of bank accounts........................yet.
http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1044543_smile-for-the-camera-big-brother-is-watching-you-speed-via-satellite (http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1044543_smile-for-the-camera-big-brother-is-watching-you-speed-via-satellite)
This is why every citizen in the US should be opposed to drones, it's inevitable that they will eventually be used for the sole purpose of generating revenue.
Quote from: Solar on December 08, 2012, 06:27:35 AM
This is why every citizen in the US should be opposed to drones, it's inevitable that they will eventually be used for the sole purpose of generating revenue.
I think generating revenue will be the least of our problems. As far as I know, none of the freedom of information requests have been answered, as to whom is putting these drones in the air and why. :scared:
Quote from: kramarat on December 08, 2012, 06:46:10 AM
I think generating revenue will be the least of our problems. As far as I know, none of the freedom of information requests have been answered, as to whom is putting these drones in the air and why. :scared:
I'll bet the paper trail leads back to Janet Napolitano, Homeland Security.
The Fed is giving these things away.
Quote from: Solar on December 08, 2012, 06:57:02 AM
I'll bet the paper trail leads back to Janet Napolitano, Homeland Security.
The Fed is giving these things away.
There are going to be a lot of them, and we know this administration doesn't care about securing the border.
Yet another blatant abuse by government. These things are made to spy......................what happened to the right to privacy?
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2012/0616/Drones-over-America.-Are-they-spying-on-you (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2012/0616/Drones-over-America.-Are-they-spying-on-you)
Quote from: kramarat on December 08, 2012, 07:03:00 AM
There are going to be a lot of them, and we know this administration doesn't care about securing the border.
Yet another blatant abuse by government. These things are made to spy......................what happened to the right to privacy?
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2012/0616/Drones-over-America.-Are-they-spying-on-you (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2012/0616/Drones-over-America.-Are-they-spying-on-you)
That's my point, they want to keep an eye on the enemy of the state, the Conservative movement.
I know many libs laugh at the notion, but the Dim party read these points, they know we know who the real enemy is.
Quote from: Solar on December 08, 2012, 06:27:35 AM
This is why every citizen in the US should be opposed to drones, it's inevitable that they will eventually be used for the sole purpose of generating revenue.
Absolutely!
Flights of drones by the military should be restricted to MOAs (Military Operating Areas) and should never be allowed to be armed with live weapons over CONUS.
Flights of civilian law enforcement drones should require a search warrant and they must be forbidden by law from ever being armed.
Finally the Posse Commitatus Act of 1878 should be updated to cover these emerging technologies and with even stricter prohibition on the use of Military and National Guard in law enforcement roles.
Just my $.02
Quote from: Solar on December 08, 2012, 07:06:03 AM
That's my point, they want to keep an eye on the enemy of the state, the Conservative movement.
I know many libs laugh at the notion, but the Dim party read these points, they know we know who the real enemy is.
Every citizen is a potential enemy of the state. There are no exceptions.
Quote from: Darth Fife on December 08, 2012, 08:09:27 AM
Absolutely!
Flights of drones by the military should be restricted to MOAs (Military Operating Areas) and should never be allowed to be armed with live weapons over CONUS.
Flights of civilian law enforcement drones should require a search warrant and they must be forbidden by law from ever being armed.
Finally the Posse Commitatus Act of 1878 should be updated to cover these emerging technologies and with even stricter prohibition on the use of Military and National Guard in law enforcement roles.
Just my $.02
One of my biggest issues with the left, (including lib friends of mine), is that government is bad when a republican is in office. As soon as their guy gets in, it's like all of a sudden everything the government is up to, is okay. I just don't get it.................
It's still the freaking government!!!! The assumption that a democrat administration is just a kind hearted benefactor, is just stupid!!!! :cursing:
Quote from: Shooterman on December 08, 2012, 08:15:21 AM
Every citizen is a potential enemy of the state. There are no exceptions.
Wasn't there some obscure philosopher who said something along the lines of,
"when the people fear the government there is Tyranny but, when the government fears the people there is Liberty"?
Quote from: Darth Fife on December 08, 2012, 08:09:27 AM
Absolutely!
Flights of drones by the military should be restricted to MOAs (Military Operating Areas) and should never be allowed to be armed with live weapons over CONUS.
Flights of civilian law enforcement drones should require a search warrant and they must be forbidden by law from ever being armed.
Finally the Posse Commitatus Act of 1878 should be updated to cover these emerging technologies and with even stricter prohibition on the use of Military and National Guard in law enforcement roles.
Just my $.02
The only way I would allow drones is for search and rescue and fire suppression, beyond that it becomes a police state.
Quote from: walkstall on December 07, 2012, 05:56:29 AM
I am sure my 03 has something on it. I know my GPS system has a lot of data in it. From speed to coordinates for the last 5 years.
snip~
In the next few days, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is expected to propose long-delayed regulations requiring auto manufacturers to include event data recorders — better known as "black boxes" — in all new cars and light trucks. But the agency is behind the curve. Automakers have been quietly tucking the devices, which automatically record the actions of drivers and the responses of their vehicles in a continuous information loop, into most new cars for years.
snip~
Besides the upcoming proposal to put recorders in all new vehicles, the traffic safety administration is also considering expanding the data requirement to include as many as 30 additional types of data such as whether the vehicle's electronic stability control was engaged, the driver's seat position or whether the front-seat passenger was belted in. Some manufacturers already are collecting the information. Engineers have identified more than 80 data points that might be useful.
Despite privacy complaints, the traffic safety administration so far hasn't put any limits on how the information can be used. About a dozen states have some law regarding data recorders, but the rest do not.
more @
http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20121207/US.Black.Boxes.Cars/?cid=hero_media (http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20121207/US.Black.Boxes.Cars/?cid=hero_media)
Numerous sources suggest that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is returning to its black box proposal. If a rule is passed, all new automobiles in the United States will have to have a crash information recorder. Read more here (http://www.cardealexpert.com/news-information/auto-news/nhtsa-proposes-mandatory-black-box-placement-in-light-vehicles/)