Granted its dry reading, but its Big Brother and he'll be watching you.
They reserve the right to modify it after the two year test period.
To me, means they will add GPS.
SEC. 31406. VEHICLE EVENT DATA RECORDERS.
(a) Mandatory Event Data Recorders-
(1) IN GENERAL- Not later than 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall revise part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations, to require, beginning with model year 2015, that new passenger motor vehicles sold in the United States be equipped with an event data recorder that meets the requirements under that part.
(2) PENALTY- The violation of any provision under part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations--
(A) shall be deemed to be a violation of section 30112 of title 49, United States Code;
(B) shall be subject to civil penalties under section 30165(a) of that title; and
(C) shall not subject a manufacturer (as defined in section 30102(a)(5) of that title) to the requirements under section 30120 of that title.
(b) Limitations on Information Retrieval-
(1) OWNERSHIP OF DATA- Any data in an event data recorder required under part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations, regardless of when the passenger motor vehicle in which it is installed was manufactured, is the property of the owner, or in the case of a leased vehicle, the lessee of the passenger motor vehicle in which the data recorder is installed.
(2) PRIVACY- Data recorded or transmitted by such a data recorder may not be retrieved by a person other than the owner or lessee of the motor vehicle in which the recorder is installed unless--
(A) a court authorizes retrieval of the information in furtherance of a legal proceeding;
(B) the owner or lessee consents to the retrieval of the information for any purpose, including the purpose of diagnosing, servicing, or repairing the motor vehicle;
(C) the information is retrieved pursuant to an investigation or inspection authorized under section 1131(a) or 30166 of title 49, United States Code, and the personally identifiable information of the owner, lessee, or driver of the vehicle and the vehicle identification number is not disclosed in connection with the retrieved information; or
(D) the information is retrieved for the purpose of determining the need for, or facilitating, emergency medical response in response to a motor vehicle crash.
(c) Report to Congress- Two years after the date of implementation of subsection (a), the Secretary shall study the safety impact and the impact on individual privacy of event data recorders in passenger motor vehicles and report its findings to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation of the Senate and the Committee on Energy and Commerce of the House of Representatives. The report shall include--
(1) the safety benefits gained from installation of event data recorders;
(2) the recommendations on what, if any, additional data the event data recorder should be modified to record;
(3) the additional safety benefit such information would yield;
(4) the estimated cost to manufacturers to implement the new enhancements;
(5) an analysis of how the information proposed to be recorded by an event data recorder conforms to applicable legal, regulatory, and policy requirements regarding privacy;
(6) a determination of the risks and effects of collecting and maintaining the information proposed to be recorded by an event data recorder;
(7) an examination and evaluation of the protections and alternative processes for handling information recorded by an event data recorder to mitigate potential privacy risks.
(d) Revised Requirements for Event Data Recorders- Based on the findings of the study under subsection (c), the Secretary shall initiate a rulemaking proceeding to revise part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations. The rule--
(1) shall require event data recorders to capture and store data related to motor vehicle safety covering a reasonable time period before, during, and after a motor vehicle crash or airbag deployment, including a rollover;
(2) shall require that data stored on such event data recorders be accessible, regardless of vehicle manufacturer or model, with commercially available equipment in a specified data format;
(3) shall establish requirements for preventing unauthorized access to the data stored on an event data recorder in order to protect the security, integrity, and authenticity of the data; and
(4) may require an interoperable data access port to facilitate universal accessibility and analysis.
(e) Disclosure of Existence and Purpose of Event Data Recorder- The rule issued under subsection (d) shall require that any owner's manual or similar documentation provided to the first purchaser of a passenger motor vehicle for purposes other than resale--
(1) disclose that the vehicle is equipped with such a data recorder; and
(2) explain the purpose of the data recorder.
(f) Access to Event Data Recorders in Agency Investigations- Section 30166(c)(3)(C) of title 49, United States Code, is amended by inserting ', including any electronic data contained within the vehicle's diagnostic system or event data recorder' after 'equipment.'
(g) Deadline for Rulemaking- The Secretary shall issue a final rule under subsection (d) not later than 4 years after the date of enactment of this Act.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s1813/text (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s1813/text)
Quote from: Solar on April 18, 2012, 07:53:45 PM
Granted its dry reading, but its Big Brother and he'll be watching you.
They reserve the right to modify it after the two year test period.
To me, means they will add GPS.
SEC. 31406. VEHICLE EVENT DATA RECORDERS.
(a) Mandatory Event Data Recorders-
(1) IN GENERAL- Not later than 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall revise part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations, to require, beginning with model year 2015, that new passenger motor vehicles sold in the United States be equipped with an event data recorder that meets the requirements under that part.
(2) PENALTY- The violation of any provision under part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations--
(A) shall be deemed to be a violation of section 30112 of title 49, United States Code;
(B) shall be subject to civil penalties under section 30165(a) of that title; and
(C) shall not subject a manufacturer (as defined in section 30102(a)(5) of that title) to the requirements under section 30120 of that title.
(b) Limitations on Information Retrieval-
(1) OWNERSHIP OF DATA- Any data in an event data recorder required under part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations, regardless of when the passenger motor vehicle in which it is installed was manufactured, is the property of the owner, or in the case of a leased vehicle, the lessee of the passenger motor vehicle in which the data recorder is installed.
(2) PRIVACY- Data recorded or transmitted by such a data recorder may not be retrieved by a person other than the owner or lessee of the motor vehicle in which the recorder is installed unless--
(A) a court authorizes retrieval of the information in furtherance of a legal proceeding;
(B) the owner or lessee consents to the retrieval of the information for any purpose, including the purpose of diagnosing, servicing, or repairing the motor vehicle;
(C) the information is retrieved pursuant to an investigation or inspection authorized under section 1131(a) or 30166 of title 49, United States Code, and the personally identifiable information of the owner, lessee, or driver of the vehicle and the vehicle identification number is not disclosed in connection with the retrieved information; or
(D) the information is retrieved for the purpose of determining the need for, or facilitating, emergency medical response in response to a motor vehicle crash.
(c) Report to Congress- Two years after the date of implementation of subsection (a), the Secretary shall study the safety impact and the impact on individual privacy of event data recorders in passenger motor vehicles and report its findings to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation of the Senate and the Committee on Energy and Commerce of the House of Representatives. The report shall include--
(1) the safety benefits gained from installation of event data recorders;
(2) the recommendations on what, if any, additional data the event data recorder should be modified to record;
(3) the additional safety benefit such information would yield;
(4) the estimated cost to manufacturers to implement the new enhancements;
(5) an analysis of how the information proposed to be recorded by an event data recorder conforms to applicable legal, regulatory, and policy requirements regarding privacy;
(6) a determination of the risks and effects of collecting and maintaining the information proposed to be recorded by an event data recorder;
(7) an examination and evaluation of the protections and alternative processes for handling information recorded by an event data recorder to mitigate potential privacy risks.
(d) Revised Requirements for Event Data Recorders- Based on the findings of the study under subsection (c), the Secretary shall initiate a rulemaking proceeding to revise part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations. The rule--
(1) shall require event data recorders to capture and store data related to motor vehicle safety covering a reasonable time period before, during, and after a motor vehicle crash or airbag deployment, including a rollover;
(2) shall require that data stored on such event data recorders be accessible, regardless of vehicle manufacturer or model, with commercially available equipment in a specified data format;
(3) shall establish requirements for preventing unauthorized access to the data stored on an event data recorder in order to protect the security, integrity, and authenticity of the data; and
(4) may require an interoperable data access port to facilitate universal accessibility and analysis.
(e) Disclosure of Existence and Purpose of Event Data Recorder- The rule issued under subsection (d) shall require that any owner's manual or similar documentation provided to the first purchaser of a passenger motor vehicle for purposes other than resale--
(1) disclose that the vehicle is equipped with such a data recorder; and
(2) explain the purpose of the data recorder.
(f) Access to Event Data Recorders in Agency Investigations- Section 30166(c)(3)(C) of title 49, United States Code, is amended by inserting ', including any electronic data contained within the vehicle's diagnostic system or event data recorder' after 'equipment.'
(g) Deadline for Rulemaking- The Secretary shall issue a final rule under subsection (d) not later than 4 years after the date of enactment of this Act.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s1813/text (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s1813/text)
I can see I will not be getting a new car or truck after 2014, if I live that long. :popcorn:
Also as I remember q said this would happen about 2 years ago.
Quote from: walkstall on April 18, 2012, 08:20:14 PM
Also as I remember q said this would happen about 2 years ago.
I've predicted it now for about five years. The law is meaningless as written. Further amendments will broaden access to the data, and how it may be used. These clowns will pull national-security issues to get anything they want against whomever they want.
Oh yeah...remember how cops don't need a warrant to pull data off cell phones? I saw an article today discussing the roll-out of banking exclusively by cell phone, effective not later than about 2020 or so, as a move toward a cashless society. This was discussed as early as the mnid-60s, as far as I can recall, so I'm not buying 2020 yet, but the move is and has been clearly underway.
Hell, they don't even actually PRINT U.S. Savings Bonds any more, as of this year. Currency itself is being withdrawn overseas as well, where China and Iran and Libya and others are busy with counterfeiting. There are enough real-world excuses to try and dump paper money even faster than Canada just stopped making pennies.
Anyway: black boxes are very bad news. Once Big Brother knows where you went and how much money you had or withdrew while you were there, what razor-thin slice of privacy do you think any of us will have left?
Did you REALLY want a tobacco nazi telling you your car cannot start if you have smoke on your breath, or drove too fast, or any other action the cops want you to pay for in court?
Options: few. Buy a decent used car and appropriate spare parts to fix it with, store it up on blocks until your current ride expires --- and hope that vehicle does last until Uncle Sam yanks your drivers permit because you don't meet their age-profile.....
Thank Pelosi, who was too busy to read any bill before she passed it.
The sheeple, including those conservatives ( used begrudgingly ) that support crap like the DHS, Patriot Act, warrantless searches and all other Gubmint crap, will eat it up supposing of course we will all be so much safer, doncha know. Excuse my French, but F**k 'em.
Makes me think this 'cash for cluckers' deal was to get all older models off the road to keep from being rebuilt..........
I gonna keep rebuilding my vehicles and stay away from car lots.
By 2025, will we even have the right to drive internal-combustion engined automobiles? Considering the lunatic fringe greenies, and the dog-eating Indonesian immigrant who backs them, we should be surprised if we're allowed to.
Quote from: quiller on April 19, 2012, 06:08:03 AM
By 2025, will we even have the right to drive internal-combustion engined automobiles? Considering the lunatic fringe greenies, and the dog-eating Indonesian immigrant who backs them, we should be surprised if we're allowed to.
Just watch Ca for the answer, they've already made it mandatory that a certain percentage of vehicles sold here be electric, to a market that doesn't want them.
And just like husseins plan to raise the cost of energy, the socialists here in Ca will do the same with gas.
I also expect a huge dangling carrot to buy these worthless pieces of shit and once they have you in them, the carrot goes away and out comes the whip against the rest of us.
I've seen it time and time again.
They did the same with the solar program, baited with the carrot (gov subsidy) and free electricity.
Now that people bought these panels, the electric companies no longer have to buy their power back.
California, the socialists Gingerbread House.
Quote from: hokiewoodchuck on April 19, 2012, 05:23:56 AM
Makes me think this 'cash for cluckers' deal was to get all older models off the road to keep from being rebuilt..........
I gonna keep rebuilding my vehicles and stay away from car lots.
That is
exactly what it was for!
-Dr Watt
Quote from: Dr_Watt on April 19, 2012, 07:14:43 AM
That is exactly what it was for!
-Dr Watt
NO SHIT. It was a sarcastic editorial Dr Watt or is it Whut?
I have 2 cars, a 67 Mustang, and a 2000 Ford Focus. Mustang parts are a dime a dozen, and I figure that Focus parts will become a bit more common in the next few years when it climbs the ladder to classic car-hood. By then, I won't be able to drive anyways.
Quote from: hokiewoodchuck on April 19, 2012, 08:23:03 AM
NO SHIT. It was a sarcastic editorial Dr Watt or is it Whut?
Well, EXCUUUUUSSSSSEEEEEEE MEEEEE!
-Dr Watt
Coming to a theater near you...how to remove the black box with a philips head screw driver and msash it with a ball peen hammer.
Billy
Quote from: Bad water BILLY on April 19, 2012, 08:49:25 PM
Coming to a theater near you...how to remove the black box with a philips head screw driver and msash it with a ball peen hammer.
Billy
And like all things gov imposed, it will come with even more restrictions.
Modification will get you thrown in jail, even though its your own private property.
Don't you just love how Gov inserts itself into our supposed everyday private laws?
Quote from: Solar on April 20, 2012, 07:49:34 AM
And like all things gov imposed, it will come with even more restrictions.
Modification will get you thrown in jail, even though its your own private property.
Don't you just love how Gov inserts itself into our supposed everyday private laws?
Catalytic converter fines are nothing to ignore. This won't be any different. Then wait for the laws forcing service shops upload all computer diagnostic data to some central computer address. For the highway safety program, they'll assure us. It's for the
chilllllllldrennnnnnnn..... Remember the smart highway system which will someday allow us to get on freeways and let the black box do our driving? They made that sound so attractive, didn't they? Now "they" will know where your vehicle is, to within centimeters.
It's a logical extension of the Total Information Awareness plan to know more about us than we do.
Quote from: quiller on April 20, 2012, 08:21:21 AM
Catalytic converter fines are nothing to ignore. This won't be any different. Then wait for the laws forcing service shops upload all computer diagnostic data to some central computer address. For the highway safety program, they'll assure us. It's for the chilllllllldrennnnnnnn.....
Remember the smart highway system which will someday allow us to get on freeways and let the black box do our driving? They made that sound so attractive, didn't they? Now "they" will know where your vehicle is, to within centimeters.
It's a logical extension of the Total Information Awareness plan to know more about us than we do.
Absolutely!
The gov has a perfect track record in which one can use to predict the future.
In this case the only thing that can't be precisely predicted is the time frame at which they will implement it.
Its very much like sacrificing rights for protection, safer driving while sacrificing our rights, but if you were to survey people, the results would be against gov intervention, but the leftists will look to Ca to be the first to institute (force down our throats) such laws, all in the name of, as you say, protecting the children.
God I'm really starting to hate our gov...