No more posting articles from other idiots, like Coulter, Trump-bart, or anyone who tries to "make the case" for going Trump. There is not, and never will be, any case where voting for Trump, a radical liberal, makes sense, in this, or any universe.
Only stupid people support Trump. That is a fact. No conservative will ever vote for Trump. If they do, then they were never really a conservative. If you're one of these people, that's fine, but this forum isn't a cork-board in the back hallway at Starbucks where you post whatever. You are welcome to post why YOU think we should support Trump, as long as YOU are willing to defend YOUR position. I don't care what Hannity thinks.
Look at the top left of this page. We're a conservative forum. Trump is not a conservative. That's just a reality. Please keep your stupid to an absolute minimum.
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We all know what Hannity thinks! Blah blah blah blah unfair I am a registered Conservative but I love to whine about how Republicans run elections unless Trump gets the most delegates blah blah blah all day every day
Please keep your stupid to an absolute minimum.
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If you argue there is Never a case to support Trump, you may end up being a Clinton supporter very soon. because IF, Trump ends up our nominee, not supporting him is equivalent to supporting Clinton. That would be supporting a liberal.
Quote from: DTRAIN Designs on April 24, 2016, 07:51:46 AM
If you argue there is Never a case to support Trump, you may end up being a Clinton supporter very soon. because IF, Trump ends up our nominee, not supporting him is equivalent to supporting Clinton. That would be supporting a liberal.
I've bought into that argument my whole life and nothing has changed. As far as I'm concerned, if Trump wins the nomination, the Republican party is dead to me.
I don't care to belong to a party with people who would put someone like him in as their choice for the general election. I see little difference between that mentality and the one the put Obama in office.
I am not arguing Trump is an ideal candidate. Just arguing that Clinton would be worse. I know people like to say Trump would be worse cause they hate Trump, but ask yourself, would you really prefer a Clinton Presidency. If a non-career politician gets into the White House, while not the ideal choice, it will be an important step in breaking the long-term big-government centralization of power and money in the hand of career elite politicians. The constitution is about people not politicians. It is about businessmen and citizens serving their country for the better of the people. If Trump can break that ice so more CEOs, Doctors, and so on step into the ring, normal Americans who have not made a career of advancing themselves in a taxpayer funded system of self promotion, that is a positive step. The constitution and government should not a system to serve politicians. Again, Trump is not ideal by any means, but he is not a politician. That means a lot, to a lot of people.
Quote from: DTRAIN Designs on April 24, 2016, 07:51:46 AM
If you argue there is Never a case to support Trump, you may end up being a Clinton supporter very soon. because IF, Trump ends up our nominee, not supporting him is equivalent to supporting Clinton. That would be supporting a liberal.
LOL! They're both libs, so what's the difference?
But lets entertain your nonsense of a Trump possibility, shall we?
First off, I'd write in Cruz, secondly a lib is a lib, and sometimes it better to deal with the Devil you know, rather than the one you don't.
Just be glad we won't be forced to choose between two failed leftists.
Cruz will be the next President.
Quote from: DTRAIN Designs on April 24, 2016, 07:51:46 AM
If you argue there is Never a case to support Trump, you may end up being a Clinton supporter very soon. because IF, Trump ends up our nominee, not supporting him is equivalent to supporting Clinton. That would be supporting a liberal.
Well, Clinton wins if Trump were to be nominated, so that's a silly point.
Quote from: DTRAIN Designs on April 24, 2016, 09:05:30 AM
I am not arguing Trump is an ideal candidate. Just arguing that Clinton would be worse.
How so?
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I know people like to say Trump would be worse cause they hate Trump, but ask yourself, would you really prefer a Clinton Presidency.
What's the difference again?
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If a non-career politician gets into the White House, while not the ideal choice, it will be an important step in breaking the long-term big-government centralization of power and money in the hand of career elite politicians.
Your attempt to spin Trump as a result of grass roots is so adorable.
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The constitution is about people not politicians. It is about businessmen and citizens serving their country for the better of the people. If Trump can break that ice so more CEOs, Doctors, and so on step into the ring, normal Americans who have not made a career of advancing themselves in a taxpayer funded system of self promotion, that is a positive step. The constitution and government should not a system to serve politicians. Again, Trump is not ideal by any means, but he is not a politician. That means a lot, to a lot of people.
Trump is a politician. He doesn't even know what the function of government is. If he behaves worse than a politician, and has no civic understanding of our government, then why would he be better than Hillary again?
Then put on your Clinton hats
Quote from: DTRAIN Designs on April 24, 2016, 09:39:14 AM
Then put on your Clinton hats
Why? We're not voting for Trump.
Quote from: DTRAIN Designs on April 24, 2016, 09:39:14 AM
Then put on your Clinton hats
What part of Carpetbagger beats Trump in his hometown/state, do you not get?
NY is irrelevant to the rest of the nation seeing how it's as liberal as SF and just as equally despised across the nation.
This is still a Conservative nation with principles and values, full of people that reject the NY lib by 70%, and you think the fraud has a chance of getting elected?
Watchyasmokin?
He is going up against a fraud. You see a huge difference between a 65% unfavorable with Hillary and a 70% unfavorable with Trump. Again, Trump is choice number 17 of the starting 17 candidates for the republicans, but if I just look at the tax plan or minimum wage issue, or immigration, I would prefer Trump over Hillary, even if on 2 dozen other issues there is no difference as was indicated above. I am not going to argue he is a good candidate, but there will only be two on the ballet, and if Trump is preferable on even one issue, I will take any victory I can get versus losing on everything so I can act like I won. Everyone who says if Trump is nominated than Hillary wins has an awful high impression of Hillary. A 5% to 10% difference in unfavorable this far away form the General is meaningless. Just standing aside to allow $15 minimum mandated wages and complete open borders is not a victory by any means and nothing to pat yourself of the back over.
Quote from: DTRAIN Designs on April 24, 2016, 10:36:34 AM
He is going up against a fraud. You see a huge difference between a 65% unfavorable with Hillary and a 70% unfavorable with Trump. Again, Trump is choice number 17 of the starting 17 candidates for the republicans, but if I just look at the tax plan or minimum wage issue, or immigration, I would prefer Trump over Hillary, even if on 2 dozen other issues there is no difference as was indicated above. I am not going to argue he is a good candidate, but there will only be two on the ballet, and if Trump is preferable on even one issue, I will take any victory I can get versus losing on everything so I can act like I won. Everyone who says if Trump is nominated than Hillary wins has an awful high impression of Hillary. A 5% to 10% difference in unfavorable this far away form the General is meaningless. Just standing aside to allow $15 minimum mandated wages and complete open borders is not a victory by any means and nothing to pat yourself of the back over.
They're both frauds. They're both libs, but in truth, Trump is the bigger fraud, he's a lib masquerading as a Pub.
Why are you even entertaining the illusion that Trump has a chance? He doesn't, it really is that simple.
Quote from: DTRAIN Designs on April 24, 2016, 10:36:34 AM
He is going up against a fraud.
I know, but I'm not talking about Cruz going up against Trump. I mean in the general election, when two frauds, in your fantasy Trump vs Clinton scenario, go against each other. True, they are pretty equal in the fraud department, but still, Hillary destroys him.
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You see a huge difference between a 65% unfavorable with Hillary and a 70% unfavorable with Trump.
Hillary is more favored than Trump. New York is a good example. She's a wreck, threw a dart on a map and hit NY, decided to run there, and destroys Trump, who's daddy's daddy built an infrastructure there. Donald is New York, yet Hillary simply wasted him. Bernie even wasted him.
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Again, Trump is choice number 17 of the starting 17 candidates for the republicans,
He's not even that high. He's not a Republican. Trump thinks we care more about the little R next to his name. A liberal is a liberal no matter what they try and pretend to be.
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but if I just look at the tax plan or minimum wage issue, or immigration, I would prefer Trump over Hillary,
Why? Explain. See, this is where Trump supporters have quite a heavy cross to bear. Instead of supporting and pushing for Cruz, which is the easiest case anyone would have to make, for whatever reason, you try and make the case for a radical liberal, and how he somehow would be better than Hillary. You guys have not been able to make that case. Not even close, and after Trump got drenched in his home state by Hillary, you have a much tougher road. John Kasich's dog sitter could destroy Hillary, but the only one possible candidate that Hillary would destroy, you decide to support. Any idea how stupid that sounds?
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even if on 2 dozen other issues there is no difference as was indicated above.
I'm not convinced Hillary knows less about the economy than Trump. You make silly assumptions that somehow Trump knows what he's talking about. Not all of us are that gullible. This isn't Trump University orientation day.
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I am not going to argue he is a good candidate,
He's a radical liberal who pretends to be wealthy and scams people. You may buy his BS, but most people don't.
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but there will only be two on the ballet, and if Trump is preferable on even one issue, I will take any victory I can get versus losing on everything so I can act like I won. Everyone who says if Trump is nominated than Hillary wins has an awful high impression of Hillary. A 5% to 10% difference in unfavorable this far away form the General is meaningless. Just standing aside to allow $15 minimum mandated wages and complete open borders is not a victory by any means and nothing to pat yourself of the back over.
Then why does Donald lose his home state to her? Not just lose, but get completely destroyed.
And maybe that unwillingness to budge have keep the country heading the wrong direction for the last 30 years. Shooting ourselves in the foot over and over again. Republicans always trying to out Republican the next republican. Meanwhile the conservative game of leapfrog continues and the left is destroying the country. I can sit here yelling Cruz Cruz Cruz, but then again I live in reality. I can yell Reagan also and will have no better result. I know one candidate is a conservative but I also can do math. Now its your turn to attack me that way we all continue to lose.
Quote from: DTRAIN Designs on April 24, 2016, 11:56:31 AM
And maybe that unwillingness to budge have keep the country heading the wrong direction for the last 30 years. Shooting ourselves in the foot over and over again. Republicans always trying to out Republican the next republican. Meanwhile the conservative game of leapfrog continues and the left is destroying the country. I can sit here yelling Cruz Cruz Cruz, but then again I live in reality. I can yell Reagan also and will have no better result. I know one candidate is a conservative but I also can do math. Now its your turn to attack me that way we all continue to lose.
So your solution is to elect a liberal?
Quote from: DTRAIN Designs on April 24, 2016, 11:56:31 AM
And maybe that unwillingness to budge have keep the country heading the wrong direction for the last 30 years. Shooting ourselves in the foot over and over again. Republicans always trying to out Republican the next republican. Meanwhile the conservative game of leapfrog continues and the left is destroying the country. I can sit here yelling Cruz Cruz Cruz, but then again I live in reality. I can yell Reagan also and will have no better result. I know one candidate is a conservative but I also can do math. Now its your turn to attack me that way we all continue to lose.
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Do you know the dictionary version of insanity? Electing a full blown admitted lib to the GOP is no different than repeating the mistake the Establishment has foist on the base since Reagan.
In other words, you want to continue "Stupid" and help the GOP'e stay liberal and in control.
No, those days are over, as evidenced by 2010 and 2014 TEA victories.
My solution is if I have the choice of getting kicked in the nads 18 out of 20 times instead of 20 out of 20 times I will vote for 18. If Trump is not on the nominee, even better, but the math is starting to add up. we will see.
Quote from: DTRAIN Designs on April 24, 2016, 01:26:27 PM
My solution is if I have the choice of getting kicked in the nads 18 out of 20 times instead of 20 out of 20 times I will vote for 18. If Trump is not on the nominee, even better, but the math is starting to add up. we will see.
You keep repeating this insanity that Trump is somehow better than Hillary. I'm waiting for you to make that case. They're both radical libs.
Quote from: taxed on April 24, 2016, 01:39:26 PM
You keep repeating this insanity that Trump is somehow better than Hillary. I'm waiting for you to make that case. They're both radical libs.
Maybe because Trump doesnt have as many bodies on him as his best friends the Clintons? Well, that we know of anyhow...
Quote from: Double D on April 24, 2016, 02:02:24 PM
Maybe because Trump doesnt have as many bodies on him as his best friends the Clintons? Well, that we know of anyhow...
There's a lot of cement in that city............
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You keep repeating this insanity that Trump is somehow better than Hillary. I'm waiting for you to make that case. They're both radical libs.
I Agree just as bad on many issues. But on Minimum Wage, yes Trump Better than Hillary. On immigration, Trump Better than Hillary. Believe me I wish I could list a dozen more.
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Quote from: taxed on April 24, 2016, 01:39:26 PM
You keep repeating this insanity that Trump is somehow better than Hillary. I'm waiting for you to make that case. They're both radical libs.
I Agree just as bad on many issues. But on Minimum Wage, yes Trump Better than Hillary. On immigration, Trump Better than Hillary. Believe me I wish I could list a dozen more.
So, based upon Trumps track record and past, he has employed ALOT of illegals and has done tons of business out of country and currently still does. What makes you believe he all the sudden is tough on immigration? He is simply repeating the talking points that his handlers have created for him that push the hot buttons on many voters. His real views on these subjects have been very liberal for many years and I dont understand why you and so many others believe he has suddenly become conservative. His rhetoric is simply to get elected. Cruz on the other hand has done everything he has ever promised his voters he would and is a stong constitution protector. The choice is simple for real conservatives.
Sorry, not sure why my message above wasnt separate...
Quote from: Double D on April 24, 2016, 03:52:59 PM
Sorry, not sure why my message above wasnt separate...
Because you typed it between the quotes. Just move the last quote to behind the text your quoting and it will go away, if the modify selection hasn't timed out.
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Sorry, not sure why my message above wasnt separate...
It's done that twice today and you post is out side the quote.
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It's done that twice today and you post is out side the quote.
I even went back and re did the post and it came out the same way. I was definitely outside the quote...
Quote from: Double D on April 24, 2016, 04:27:08 PM
I even went back and re did the post and it came out the same way. I was definitely outside the quote...
I fixed em...........
Quote from: Double D on April 24, 2016, 03:48:03 PM
I Agree just as bad on many issues. But on Minimum Wage, yes Trump Better than Hillary. On immigration, Trump Better than Hillary. Believe me I wish I could list a dozen more.
So, based upon Trumps track record and past, he has employed ALOT of illegals and has done tons of business out of country and currently still does. What makes you believe he all the sudden is tough on immigration? He is simply repeating the talking points that his handlers have created for him that push the hot buttons on many voters. His real views on these subjects have been very liberal for many years and I dont understand why you and so many others believe he has suddenly become conservative. His rhetoric is simply to get elected. Cruz on the other hand has done everything he has ever promised his voters he would and is a stong constitution protector. The choice is simple for real conservatives.
I don't disagree with you about Trump or Cruz. My point is I don't think the numbers are lining up for Cruz. Trump's Strategy is working.
Quote from: DTRAIN Designs on April 24, 2016, 07:08:02 PM
I don't disagree with you about Trump or Cruz. My point is I don't think the numbers are lining up for Cruz. Trump's Strategy is working.
Really? 1237 1237 1237 Trump cant and wont get there.
Cruz's strategy is deny Trump the 1st ballot.......Cruz chose the battle field he will win on, that is denying Trump 1237 and securing 2nd and 3rd ballot delegate votes by getting his delegates chosen to attend the convention.
Quote from: DTRAIN Designs on April 24, 2016, 02:29:12 PM
I Agree just as bad on many issues. But on Minimum Wage, yes Trump Better than Hillary. On immigration, Trump Better than Hillary. Believe me I wish I could list a dozen more.
How so? Show me the evidence that anything before June of 2015 shows that Trump was a Conservative or even a Republican on these two issues. Matter of fact, do some checking, find out what touchback means..
trumps immigration policy is to send the illegals back, but then they can touch their home country and re enter the USA for legalization. Now I don't know about you, but his plans are to spend billions to remove them for what reason!!! :huh: if that is he keeps even that promise because he has back peddled or changed on everything he says he stood for. You say he will be better than Hillary but to date you cannot show one instance where he would be. He is a freaking lib for cripes sake.