Quote from: Indy on October 03, 2010, 06:04:07 PM
They will find out when they need a bypass or an expensive medication. Palin was right, he's created death panels of a sort, through lack of approvals on needed care. And the older you get, the less you're going to get. You can't take over 500 billion from a medical program without killing a few old people. >:( And I'm rapidly approaching being one of the old people. :(

You're exactly right. When my dad was diagnoses with stage 4 cancer this past April, his treating oncologist said that come 01-01-11 that Obamacare would prevent the doc from ordering aggressive treatment for stage 4 cancer patients even if their insurance coverage had allowed for it. So when I hear libs talk about how death panels are just republican hyperbole, I have to restrain the very real urge to put someone through a wal.

Quote from: taxed on October 03, 2010, 05:21:27 PM
Miller is sharp as hell.  I watched a bunch of youtube on him the other day, and he is impressive.

I agree. Miller is a rising star in the party.

  Ok this is where I get into it with a few of you :) but hey, im not bashful..

If rand paul or anyone else gets in congress and right promptly attacks SS and medicare they will assure a quick turnover of congress just like the dems did to themselves.
  Medicare is nothing in costs compared to obamacare with 40 million more people in it and millions of them totally FREE..and anyone that runs over the border we pay for too.
   Rand Paul and the rest of them better talk OBAMACARE first...then medicare.
the pink elephant is obamacare...getting rid of medicare and keeping obamacare will cost us all MORE

Quote from: zip on October 04, 2010, 10:29:15 AM
  Ok this is where I get into it with a few of you :) but hey, im not bashful..

If rand paul or anyone else gets in congress and right promptly attacks SS and medicare they will assure a quick turnover of congress just like the dems did to themselves.
  Medicare is nothing in costs compared to obamacare with 40 million more people in it and millions of them totally FREE..and anyone that runs over the border we pay for too.
   Rand Paul and the rest of them better talk OBAMACARE first...then medicare.
the pink elephant is obamacare...getting rid of medicare and keeping obamacare will cost us all MORE

How so?  If he makes SS and MediCare more efficient, or a new model, then how is that bad?

Are you so tightly clenched to the current unsustainable model?

Quote from: taxed on October 04, 2010, 10:31:46 AM
How so?  If he makes SS and MediCare more efficient, or a new model, then how is that bad?

Are you so tightly clenched to the current unsustainable model?

   No im not taxed...but lets be realistic ok...the teaparty as it stands right now is comprised of mostly middle class babyboomers. The babyboomers are the largest block of americans including all races and ethnicities. I fully understand the wealthy want social security gone and medicare...but they are a minority.
   If the gop jumps right on social security and medicare, lets be realistic and not idealistic here...the middle class babyboomers will turn on them like dogs...If theres going to be any chance for real reform....it had better be prioritized so it will be accepted by who it HAS to be accepted by middle class babyboomers. Keep in mind babyboomers are not just white..they are hispanic, black and everything else..

Right now the whole Govt looks like a Ponzi scheme.


Billy

Quote from: zip on October 03, 2010, 09:52:28 PM
    I really like rubio and miller...crist is done it looks like, his numbers are dropping like a rock...

Rubio is incredible.  We really do have a good crop popping up.

Crist needs to go pick a new shade of silver and work on his tan.

Quote from: zip on October 04, 2010, 11:32:04 AM

   No im not taxed...but lets be realistic ok...the teaparty as it stands right now is comprised of mostly middle class babyboomers. The babyboomers are the largest block of americans including all races and ethnicities. I fully understand the wealthy want social security gone and medicare...but they are a minority.

Eventually, and choice be put back into the hands of the people, but I have yet to here many of the wealthy say they see a hard cut to SS or Medicare.   I am not sure why you think that is the case?  Help me understand why you say that.  The wealthy understand many old folks are dependent on SS.

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   If the gop jumps right on social security and medicare, lets be realistic and not idealistic here...the middle class babyboomers will turn on them like dogs...If theres going to be any chance for real reform....it had better be prioritized so it will be accepted by who it HAS to be accepted by middle class babyboomers. Keep in mind babyboomers are not just white..they are hispanic, black and everything else..

Even if we keep SS, we can optimize it and make it better.  Why is that a bad thing?