Dr. Ben Carson has said he will cut every department's funding by 10% no exceptions. Ted Cruz has said he will repeal ObamaCare and cut federal spending with a balanced budget amendment, and he will abolish the IRS after a necessary tax reform. Really though, which candidate will actually cut taxes while reducing federal spending enough to create revenue and get this evil debt out of here. Which do you think can lower unemployment, cut taxes, allow people to have better incomes, and cut spending to create revenue and get our country out of debt?
Cruz has a track record of following through on his word.
Carson on the other hand, has absollutely no record, period.
Quote from: ChristieForPres on November 27, 2015, 04:50:41 PM
Dr. Ben Carson has said he will cut every department's funding by 10% no exceptions. Ted Cruz has said he will repeal ObamaCare and cut federal spending with a balanced budget amendment, and he will abolish the IRS after a necessary tax reform. Really though, which candidate will actually cut taxes while reducing federal spending enough to create revenue and get this evil debt out of here. Which do you think can lower unemployment, cut taxes, allow people to have better incomes, and cut spending to create revenue and get our country out of debt?
Jeb will.
It is utterly astounding the number of literate and intelligent people who take seriously claims/promises made by political types of either party. Doesn't their record bark loudly and plainly for itself???
Many assert that the GOP has always been a bastion of principled conservatism. Really??? Home truth is that the R party, from day one, has never had anything to do w/conservatism. Not ever! From Fremont in 1856, it was a secular progressive soft left party carrying water for northern mercantile interests. Then as the Industrial Revolution accelerated post-Civil War, the party became the errand boy for corporate interests where it remains embedded today.
The Tea Party rightly rails against the concentration of power in DC which emasculated States Rights. They correctly assert that the remedy is the repeal/evisceration of the 14th, 15th, 16th and 17th Amendments.
So consider this. The GOP was ascendant politically from Andrew Johnson till Herbert Hoover, a span of three generations; during which time the GOP used their political muscle to pass these Amendments!!!.
Please tell me again what the GOP and Ben Carson are promising?????
I believe your saying that I'm referring to promises of the Republican Party. I'm actually asking about the records of each candidate, but they ought to be republicans because I mean do you think Bernie Sander's $1 trillion dollar spending plan is a good example of how to cut federal spending?
Quote from: Walter Josh on November 27, 2015, 09:46:26 PM
It is utterly astounding the number of literate and intelligent people who take seriously claims/promises made by political types of either party. Doesn't their record bark loudly and plainly for itself???
Many assert that the GOP has always been a bastion of principled conservatism. Really??? Home truth is that the R party, from day one, has never had anything to do w/conservatism. Not ever! From Fremont in 1856, it was a secular progressive soft left party carrying water for northern mercantile interests. Then as the Industrial Revolution accelerated post-Civil War, the party became the errand boy for corporate interests where it remains embedded today.
The Tea Party rightly rails against the concentration of power in DC which emasculated States Rights. They correctly assert that the remedy is the repeal/evisceration of the 14th, 15th, 16th and 17th Amendments.
So consider this. The GOP was ascendant politically from Andrew Johnson till Herbert Hoover, a span of three generations; during which time the GOP used their political muscle to pass these Amendments!!!.
Please tell me again what the GOP and Ben Carson are promising?????
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Not even the GOP is stupid enough to make such a lying statement, in fact, I don't think I've ever heard those word in that combination in my entire life.
But I agree with your assertion that Carson will simply carry the Establishment torch, lighting the way to our demise.
Quote from: Captain Centrist on November 27, 2015, 08:21:37 PM
Jeb will.
http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w441/Krellkneen/jeb_zps05a673eb.jpg
Hey, bud, don't Bogart that joint - pass it over to me! (...sorry, now that the cat's been let out, my mind if forever tainted... LOLOLOL)
Who's going to do the most to free-up capital?
Cruz.
Trump might have an edge on everyone else for the second spot if he arrives at the realization of what 'freeing-up' capital means. It doesn't mean moving it around. It means getting rid of regulations and redundant Government Departments.
It's not going to be easy. The Republican Party has got to be the Party to do it.
Quote from: kit saginaw on November 28, 2015, 07:54:19 AM
Who's going to do the most to free-up capital?
Cruz.
Trump might have an edge on everyone else for the second spot if he arrives at the realization of what 'freeing-up' capital means. It doesn't mean moving it around. It means getting rid of regulations and redundant Government Departments.
It's not going to be easy. The Republican Party has got to be the Party to do it.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Start by doing the unthinkable in DC... start closing departments.
Quote from: Hoofer on November 28, 2015, 08:13:02 AM
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Start by doing the unthinkable in DC... start closing departments.
Also the UN...
Christie,
What I'm saying is that campaign promises from candidates are worthless and that the history of a political party is a sound barometer of what it will do in the future.
Quote from: Walter Josh on November 28, 2015, 09:43:59 AM
Christie,
What I'm saying is that campaign promises from candidates are worthless and that the history of a political party is a sound barometer of what it will do in the future.
I respectfully disagree with that statement!
Senator Ted Cruz has kept EVERY campaign promise he made to Texans when running for the Senate. He did so at great expense to his political camaraderie with GOP leadership and fellow Senators. He was willing to stand up against the status quo and fulfill his promise to his constituents. At times he stood totally alone against his own Party leadership. He is fearlessly principled.
You can be sure that he will do the same if elected to the WH. He will not disappoint.
Kroz,
Fair enough as to Cruz, but he is a rare exception.
Politics hardly ever, attracts individuals of principle.
We would not be in the condition we are, if it did.
Quote from: Walter Josh on November 28, 2015, 03:41:49 PM
Kroz,
Fair enough as to Cruz, but he is a rare exception.
Politics hardly ever, attracts individuals of principle.
We would not be in the condition we are, if it did.
That is exactly why Cruz is the only logical choice for our nominee!
Quote from: Walter Josh on November 28, 2015, 03:41:49 PM
Kroz,
Fair enough as to Cruz, but he is a rare exception.
Politics hardly ever, attracts individuals of principle.
We would not be in the condition we are, if it did.
It's not just politics that "hardly ever, attracts individuals of principle".
...and that too is why we are" in the condition we are in".
:scared:
Nobody is going to work miracles, Even Ted as much as I am behind him, oh he will try his best but you got to remember we have a whole barrel full of idiots with both a D and an R after their name.
If you want to get America's economy moving again you have to have jobs, that mean you have to have the stupid Govt out of the way with their crushing set of regulations, AND you got to have a tax plan to reform Business taxes. corporate taxes and the like. Much as I dislike Trump he has a great point about bringing back trillions of dollars in overseas capital TAX FREE.....that much money, infused into the economy, will be a shot in the arm, hopefully meaningful employment will follow.
I also think Cruz is smart enough to figure out the same thing, now if you can just get it through congress.
Quote from: Dubinsky on November 28, 2015, 04:09:40 PM
It's not just politics that "hardly ever, attracts individuals of principle".
...and that too is why we are" in the condition we are in".
:scared:
Principled integrity seems to be limited these days to Bible thumpers! :ohmy:
The world sees no reason to be principled.
Quote from: Walter Josh on November 28, 2015, 03:41:49 PM
Kroz,
Fair enough as to Cruz, but he is a rare exception.
Politics hardly ever, attracts individuals of principle.
We would not be in the condition we are, if it did.
Not to mention the GOP'e stifles Conservatives and keeps them out of leadership positions.
Yes, Cruz bucked them at every turn, which has been refreshing to watch indeed, especially when he called out McCONnel, calling him a liar.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on November 28, 2015, 04:14:48 PM
Nobody is going to work miracles, Even Ted as much as I am behind him, oh he will try his best but you got to remember we have a whole barrel full of idiots with both a D and an R after their name.
If you want to get America's economy moving again you have to have jobs, that mean you have to have the stupid Govt out of the way with their crushing set of regulations, AND you got to have a tax plan to reform Business taxes. corporate taxes and the like. Much as I dislike Trump he has a great point about bringing back trillions of dollars in overseas capital TAX FREE.....that much money, infused into the economy, will be a shot in the arm, hopefully meaningful employment will follow.
I also think Cruz is smart enough to figure out the same thing, now if you can just get it through congress.
Billy, Cruz is far smarter than Trump. He can do anything Trump can do and then some.
He is shrewdly handling this campaign and will surprise Trump in the end. Trump has yet to attack Cruz even though Cruz is in a statistical tie with Trump in Iowa. Trump is smart enough to realize he should not mess with Cruz. :biggrin:
Quote from: kroz on November 28, 2015, 04:24:28 PM
Billy, Cruz is far smarter than Trump. He can do anything Trump can do and then some.
He is shrewdly handling this campaign and will surprise Trump in the end. Trump has yet to attack Cruz even though Cruz is in a statistical tie with Trump in Iowa. Trump is smart enough to realize he should not mess with Cruz. :biggrin:
I realize that, yet Trump has the connections in the network of fabulously Rich guys who want to get richer club. And Yes even Trump knows not to mess with Cruz. Just Don't forget that old axiom about Age Treachery and deceit winning out over youth skill and ability every time.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on November 28, 2015, 04:54:09 PM
I realize that, yet Trump has the connections in the network of fabulously Rich guys who want to get richer club. And Yes even Trump knows not to mess with Cruz. Just Don't forget that old axiom about Age Treachery and deceit winning out over youth skill and ability every time.
Billy, the fabulously rich guys are competitors of Trump. Why would they support him?
I don't follow your logic. :huh:
Quote from: kroz on November 28, 2015, 04:24:28 PM
Billy, Cruz is far smarter than Trump. He can do anything Trump can do and then some.
He is shrewdly handling this campaign and will surprise Trump in the end. Trump has yet to attack Cruz even though Cruz is in a statistical tie with Trump in Iowa. Trump is smart enough to realize he should not mess with Cruz. :biggrin:
Trump has not attacked Cruz because Cruz has not attacked him! I really believe Trump respects Ted Cruz and has since the start of the campaign. Cruz is not as vocal as Trump about our southern Boarder but his views are real close to Trumps. On many of the most important issues they are not far apart.
Remember near the beginning of the campaign Trump said there were some on the stage with him he admired and respected. I think he was referring to Cruz! We will soon see as Cruz gains momentum if Trump goes on the offensive or if he treats Cruz different then the others! This will be interesting to watch!
Quote from: redbeard on November 28, 2015, 05:45:04 PM
Trump has not attacked Cruz because Cruz has not attacked him! I really believe Trump respects Ted Cruz and has since the start of the campaign. Cruz is not as vocal as Trump about our southern Boarder but his views are real close to Trumps. On many of the most important issues they are not far apart.
Remember near the beginning of the campaign Trump said there were some on the stage with him he admired and respected. I think he was referring to Cruz! We will soon see as Cruz gains momentum if Trump goes on the offensive or if he treats Cruz different then the others! This will be interesting to watch!
You are right, redbeard. It will be interesting to see how it plays out!
Quote from: kroz on November 28, 2015, 05:01:31 PM
Billy, the fabulously rich guys are competitors of Trump. Why would they support him?
I don't follow your logic. :huh:
Seriously, you think Trump got his money by dealing with poor people? These guys work hand in hand.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on November 28, 2015, 06:08:00 PM
Seriously, you think Trump got his money by dealing with poor people? These guys work hand in hand.
Trump got his money by using poor people to build his empire. They are his contractors who build his casinos and golf courses, etc.
Why does he need rich people? He uses his own money to build his empire.
Quote from: kroz on November 28, 2015, 05:47:47 PM
You are right, redbeard. It will be interesting to see how it plays out!
I don't know if it is intentional or not but Trump has been a gods send to the Cruz campaign by knocking off the RINO's and giving Ted time to build his base. It would be funny as Hell if that was his intention from the beginning! :lol:
I still find it hard to believe Trump is serious about going all the way. I don't see him spending the time and money building his ground game in the critical big states. He comes down here to Florida but that's because it is Jeb and Rubio country and he is out to hurt them. How much time is he spending in the other big primary states? where are his workers and campaign offices? Where is his base? If Trump was a true serious movement we would start to see movement all over the country! I have never seen anything like this campaign year and can't for the life of me figure it out!
Quote from: redbeard on November 28, 2015, 06:17:00 PM
I don't know if it is intentional or not but Trump has been a gods send to the Cruz campaign by knocking off the RINO's and giving Ted time to build his base. It would be funny as Hell if that was his intention from the beginning! :lol:
I still find it hard to believe Trump is serious about going all the way. I don't see him spending the time and money building his ground game in the critical big states. He comes down here to Florida but that's because it is Jeb and Rubio country and he is out to hurt them. How much time is he spending in the other big primary states? where are his workers and campaign offices? Where is his base? If Trump was a true serious movement we would start to see movement all over the country! I have never seen anything like this campaign year and can't for the life of me figure it out!
I certainly do not understand the dynamics but I think Trump is in this to win it. He would not spend this amount of his own money if he did not intend to go the distance.... not to mention the time and effort involved.
Cruz has benefited by Trump's campaign but it is yet to be determined how this will end.
God works in mysterious ways!! :ohmy:
The people I'm talking about are Investors. Trump was talking about this during (I think) the first debates when he was asked about going bankrupt and he started talking about all the "killers" who lost money. this is an expression for extremely rich people, financiers etc.
Some of these contractors are not nickle dime chumps either, some of them are extremely wealthy. Then of course you got you mob controlled unions, you know I always wondered how Trump worked things out with the mob......coz you can;t get a smidgen of concrete poured or a singe iron girder welded in NY or New Jersey without the okay and squeeze of some mobster
Quote from: kroz on November 28, 2015, 06:23:05 PM
I certainly do not understand the dynamics but I think Trump is in this to win it. He would not spend this amount of his own money if he did not intend to go the distance.... not to mention the time and effort involved.
Cruz has benefited by Trump's campaign but it is yet to be determined how this will end.
God works in mysterious ways!! :ohmy:
Trump has spent NOTHING! By most accounts he has received small donations amounting to most of his outlay his biggest expense has been fuel for his jet! Granted he hasn't had to lay out his money yet and he may be being frugal to use his money when it is really needed. He is either the smartest person in this race running a campaign on a shoestring or he isn't serious. One thing is if he could run our budget the way he runs his campaigns he could balance the budget in no time! How many millions have the rino's gone through to get nowhere!! :popcorn: :popcorn:
Hmm... Think about it.
How much money can Trump legally give to Cruz campaign? Yet by running interference for Cruz he can spend all he likes, and no one can stop him. :sneaky:
Quote from: walkstall on November 28, 2015, 06:46:45 PM
Hmm... Think about it.
How much money can Trump legally give to Cruz campaign? Yet by running interference for Cruz he can spend all he likes, and no one can stop him. :sneaky:
Now That would be too funny!
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on November 28, 2015, 06:23:18 PM
The people I'm talking about are Investors. Trump was talking about this during (I think) the first debates when he was asked about going bankrupt and he started talking about all the "killers" who lost money. this is an expression for extremely rich people, financiers etc.
Trump also said they (killers) will be just fine. You're basically right, extremely rich investors, bankers - but the very aggressive sort, "killer of a deal", "he just killed it, took the chips"...
well respected among their peers.One the one hand, it could be Trump sees the Presidency as a mountain to climb, something to "bag" - and his friends would certainly be there to congratulate him - but, after that, it's "who cares! On to other mountains". Bragging rights among fellow financiers.
For this reason, I am very wary of Trump, concerned he would just turn over the "job" to unelected underlings... avoid the negative pressure, retire to the golf course.
On the other hand, he's already done everything he's wanted, so, go ahead and shoot the wad, get elected and leave a legacy he could be really proud of. Stepping into a languishing economy, righting the ship and America prospers again under Trump leadership. A "get the hell out of the way, I'm here to SAVE the USA!" mentality... messiah complex... "I" am the man-of-the-hour. Once the nation gets behind him, any mistake could be grossly amplified, the regular checks-and-balances are thrown away, HE is the man, bigger than life, it's HIS legacy, and by God, he's gonna be remembered!
And, who wouldn't be concerned, Adolf Hitler left a grand legacy among Germans and the rest of the world, how easy it is to walk down the path of destruction when the populace cheers you on.Either case is intensely EGO driven, a short term goal or a long term legacy, sorry!... that's the way I see Trump.
Cruz as a VP might temper that, and perhaps Trump could be a fine President, achieving BOTH. It sure is interesting to speculate.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on November 28, 2015, 06:23:18 PM
Some of these contractors are not nickle dime chumps either, some of them are extremely wealthy. Then of course you got you mob controlled unions, you know I always wondered how Trump worked things out with the mob......coz you can;t get a smidgen of concrete poured or a singe iron girder welded in NY or New Jersey without the okay and squeeze of some mobster
Yea... you and me both! I heard Hillary isn't getting the usual Union support ... LOL Talk about strange bedfellows, GOP and Trump and Unions, wow! This is the kind of stuff novels are based on.
Quote from: walkstall on November 28, 2015, 06:46:45 PM
Hmm... Think about it.
How much money can Trump legally give to Cruz campaign? Yet by running interference for Cruz he can spend all he likes, and no one can stop him. :sneaky:
I could honestly see that coming ... and Cruz rewarding him as the VP pick.
Quote from: Hoofer on November 29, 2015, 11:36:50 AM
On the other hand, he's already done everything he's wanted, so, go ahead and shoot the wad, get elected and leave a legacy he could be really proud of. Stepping into a languishing economy, righting the ship and America prospers again under Trump leadership. A "get the hell out of the way, I'm here to SAVE the USA!" mentality... messiah complex... "I" am the man-of-the-hour. Once the nation gets behind him, any mistake could be grossly amplified, the regular checks-and-balances are thrown away, HE is the man, bigger than life, it's HIS legacy, and by God, he's gonna be remembered!
And, who wouldn't be concerned, Adolf Hitler left a grand legacy among Germans and the rest of the world, how easy it is to walk down the path of destruction when the populace cheers you on.
Either case is intensely EGO driven, a short term goal or a long term legacy, sorry!... that's the way I see Trump.
Cruz as a VP might temper that, and perhaps Trump could be a fine President, achieving BOTH. It sure is interesting to speculate.
Yea... you and me both! I heard Hillary isn't getting the usual Union support ... LOL Talk about strange bedfellows, GOP and Trump and Unions, wow! This is the kind of stuff novels are based on.
I could honestly see that coming ... and Cruz rewarding him as the VP pick.
I sorta see it as a whole bunch of Bebe Rebozo's to a Richard Nixon....same ego probably.
My greatest fear is that Trump with his enormous Ego, will turn into an EXO drafting Tyrant if he doesn't get exactly what he wants on his "deals" with Congress....or whomever. And while I abhor the leftist tyrant we have in the Oval office now.....I DON'T WANT ONE THAT LEANS RIGHT....even if I agree on some of the more pertinent issues, ie illegals, Muzz and the lousy economy.
These Union guys are all like sharks, they are extremely monied, extremely smart and they will support Trump coz they KNOW they are gonna continue to make money with him, maybe even more than before coz now HE IS EL SUPREMO....like Obamao....and could stop any Justice Dept Investigation....that kind of Govt corruption and cronyism makes us Third world....another reason I don't want The Donald.