Just interested in idea's for a fence that will work on the border. Jurassic Park fence?
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on July 12, 2015, 07:21:00 PM
Just interested in idea's for a fence that will work on the border. Jurassic Park fence?
Like a lock, it will only keep a honest person honest. They have been tunneling under ground for years. A fence will only slow them down, not stop them.
I was thinking mine fields for about a mile north, and a 10,000 volt fence.
Seems to work pretty well for the White House.
3-walled fence. 2 15 footers with a 25 footer in the middle.
ANY fence will keep out 99%. Then make it impossible to work here illegally , and stop providing ANY benefits. Of course none of this will happen with our sympathetic politicians.
The more we allowvin this country, the less will we'll have to fight them.
Quote from: walkstall on July 12, 2015, 07:43:33 PM
Like a lock, it will only keep a honest person honest. They have been tunneling under ground for years. A fence will only slow them down, not stop them.
Quote from: carlb on July 13, 2015, 03:36:23 AM
Seems to work pretty well for the White House.
3-walled fence. 2 15 footers with a 25 footer in the middle.
ANY fence will keep out 99%. Then make it impossible to work here illegally , and stop providing ANY benefits. Of course none of this will happen with our sympathetic politicians.
The more we allowvin this country, the less will we'll have to fight them.
Seems that two people made it over the fence in the last year. One even made it into the WH.
I have a suggestion. Why don't we ask Washington to put up a smoke screen along those borders. Nothing will get through.
The discussion of the fence is secondary. So is discussion about cheap labor and vote pandering. The real stories have been available even before the Kenyan took office.
http://therightscoop.com/border-patrol-agent-the-obama-admin-aiding-and-abetting-and-facilitating-the-smuggling-of-illegals-into-us/
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/07/03/border-patrol-agent-apparently-defies-gag-order-to-go-unfiltered-on-cnn-hear-his-big-claim-about-obama-admin/
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on July 12, 2015, 07:21:00 PM
Just interested in idea's for a fence that will work on the border. Jurassic Park fence?
No fence will ever work, because the people responsible for building it and ensuring its efficiency - the Political Class of this country - have no interest in either building it or see to it that it works!
In fact, they have a vested interest in making sure it doesn't get built and doesn't work!
Quote from: walkstall on July 13, 2015, 04:36:16 AM
Seems that two people made it over the fence in the last year. One even made it into the WH.
Yep. 2.
Seems to beat 2 MILLION. Guess that means fences do work.
Electric fence...... mine field....... enforcement of laws on the books!
Quote from: kroz on July 13, 2015, 11:33:52 AM
Electric fence...... mine field....... enforcement of laws on the books!
We would not need to worry about sealing the borders if we enforced current laws and made coming here untenable and unprofitable. If an illegal is found take them back to the border and give them back to the Mexican government. They will stop all the immigration from Central America as they do not want the headache.
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 13, 2015, 12:46:36 PM
We would not need to worry about sealing the borders if we enforced current laws and made coming here untenable and unprofitable. If an illegal is found take them back to the border and give them back to the Mexican government. They will stop all the immigration from Central America as they do not want the headache.
No need to spend money taking them back to the border.... if they cannot work or get government handouts.... they will self deport or starve!
Quote from: kroz on July 13, 2015, 12:54:18 PM
No need to spend money taking them back to the border.... if they cannot work or get government handouts.... they will self deport or starve!
You are so correct. In 2008 I worked a good bit in the Hilton Head area. There were many Hispanics working there in construction, landscaping, etc:. When the recession hit the jobs dried up and they went back.
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on July 12, 2015, 07:21:00 PM
Just interested in idea's for a fence that will work on the border. Jurassic Park fence?
No wall or fence can keep anything or anyone out for long....I personally think it is symbolic.
Here's something to think about.
The greatest "fence" ever built...the great wall of China is 3,500 miles long is about 40 feet across and has watchtowers ever mile or so.
It failed to keep the invading hordes of MAnchu's out of China....because in the end the Chinese general in charge of one section of the wall BETRAYED THE EMPEROR and allowed the Manchu army through....they ruled china for more than two hundred years.
Supposedly the enemy commander who led his forces thru made the comment.
Walls are only as good as the men who man them....profound and disturbingly apropo for todays situation on the southern border.
The Obamao admin has betrayed the American people by allowing and continuing to allow hordes of illegals....many as hostile as the Barbarian hordes who rampaged across China's great wall.
building a wall is stupid when we have sanctuary cities.
There are 1700 miles of border. I would think putting one border guard every mile, along with electronic monitoring and drones would be just as good as a fence. Once crossers are spotted, they would need back-ups available to move in on the apprehension, or better yet, not allowed to cross.
I would tell Mexico, that we were going to push the border line back 10 miles into Mexico, and if they had a problem with that, then they could kiss their US dollars good bye.
Quote from: Dori on July 13, 2015, 05:32:57 PM
There are 1700 miles of border. I would think putting one border guard every mile, along with electronic monitoring and drones would be just as good as a fence. Once crossers are spotted, they would need back-ups available to move in on the apprehension, or better yet, not allowed to cross.
I would tell Mexico, that we were going to push the border line back 10 miles into Mexico, and if they had a problem with that, then they could kiss their US dollars good bye.
Too expensive, I'd get a civilian volunteer corps that would act as spotters and call in squads of border patrol agent to apprehend them once they cross, these observers would be armed and deputized by local sheriffs as well in the event of "tresspassing" on private property for which they could detain.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 13, 2015, 05:38:48 PM
Too expensive, I'd get a civilian volunteer corps that would act as spotters and call in squads of border patrol agent to apprehend them once they cross, these observers would be armed and deputized by local sheriffs as well in the event of "tresspassing" on private property for which they could detain.
Ah-so... minutemen!
We ran into a few of those in our travels. Retired folks who are willing to volunteer their time.
The set up lawn chairs along the border and watch all night! Good folks!
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 13, 2015, 05:38:48 PM
Too expensive, I'd get a civilian volunteer corps that would act as spotters and call in squads of border patrol agent to apprehend them once they cross, these observers would be armed and deputized by local sheriffs as well in the event of "tresspassing" on private property for which they could detain.
It's not too expensive. We already have 21,000 agents. It's a matter of how they are used.
The real expense is subsidizingillions of illegals.
Quote from: walkstall on July 12, 2015, 07:43:33 PM
Like a lock, it will only keep a honest person honest. They have been tunneling under ground for years. A fence will only slow them down, not stop them.
As long as there is a reward for gaining access to this country, there will be a way to get here. In other words, it time to start discussions on penalties for those who hire illegal's. And cut out the freebies.
Quote from: walkstall on July 12, 2015, 07:43:33 PM
Like a lock, it will only keep a honest person honest. They have been tunneling under ground for years. A fence will only slow them down, not stop them.
Lets see! Army, navy, marines and air force! Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California! I say give each branch a state move basic training and "C" schools to their respected state to teach our servicemen how to detect and counter infiltration and insurgency! Something they deal with more and more on overseas deployment! That would be a Win-Win! Increase our troops readiness while controlling the boarders!
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Quote from: Dori on July 13, 2015, 06:06:15 PM
It's not too expensive. We already have 21,000 agents. It's a matter of how they are used.
It's a numbers game....the Illegals or rather those cartels who organize such human trafficking know the numbers are on their side. Remember a goodly portion of any organized force are assigned to ADministrative duties. So how many of those 21,000 agents are behind a desk?
A civilian volunteer force could handle the admin duties and other task that would free up more agents besides augmenting "Eyes and ears" on the border.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 20, 2015, 05:35:19 PM
It's a numbers game....the Illegals or rather those cartels who organize such human trafficking know the numbers are on their side. Remember a goodly portion of any organized force are assigned to ADministrative duties. So how many of those 21,000 agents are behind a desk?
A civilian volunteer force could handle the admin duties and other task that would free up more agents besides augmenting "Eyes and ears" on the border.
Give the military the border and free up the agents to control the crossing points!
Quote from: redbeard on July 20, 2015, 05:45:08 PM
Give the military the border and free up the agents to control the crossing points!
Better yet
Let the military have the entire border (North and south) and use the agents to root out the 15 million or so already in the COuntry illegally.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 20, 2015, 05:47:15 PM
Better yet
Let the military have the entire border (North and south) and use the agents to root out the 15 million or so already in the COuntry illegally.
Let the military take on Northern Mexico where the worst of the drug cartels are operating.
As to 15 million, the government has been using the 11 million since 911. That was 15 years ago. I'll bet it's more like 30 million plus. Not to mention all the kids who have been born here the last 15 years.
Quote from: Dori on July 13, 2015, 06:06:15 PM
It's not too expensive. We already have 21,000 agents. It's a matter of how they are used.
That is correct. The Border Patrol is one of the most highly trained and professional law enforcement agencies we have. But, we cannot order them to stand down, as Obama has, and expect any different results from what we now have.
Laredo Border Patrol spokesman Hector Garcia is a great resource for us. he has been outspoken for years, yet somehow has manged to escape the Clinton/Obama wrath. Officer Garcia reports that modern efficient electronic and video surveillance to replace the old stuff they now work with would be a step in the right direction. But Congress won't budge. Their benefits and retirement are more important to Congress.
Bottom line, once Obama is ousted, don't expect any big change.
The Texas valley and Arizona border are full of retired "snowbirds" for six months every year. Many of them volunteer with the Minutemen and stay up all night along the border with their walkie talkies and inform the authorities when they spot an illegal crossing the border. Many of these old geezers are retired military and consider it an honor and obligation to continue to defend their country in this way.
But this force of people is way under utilized. They could and WOULD be a much more useful group.
A little bit like Rumsfeld's army scavenging desert junk yards for metal it could weld on to the Humvees, to protect from IUE, roadside bombs. The similarity -- bring your own walkie talkie. Whereas that legion of volunteers is of no doubt great benefit to America and, in a round about way, even a protection for many of those illegal crossers, the last thing this Congress would do would be to provide some support. You see, these are John McCain's "whacky birds." Congress --- Yuk!
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 13, 2015, 04:37:06 PM
No wall or fence can keep anything or anyone out for long....I personally think it is symbolic.
Here's something to think about.
The greatest "fence" ever built...the great wall of China is 3,500 miles long is about 40 feet across and has watchtowers ever mile or so.
It failed to keep the invading hordes of MAnchu's out of China....because in the end the Chinese general in charge of one section of the wall BETRAYED THE EMPEROR and allowed the Manchu army through....they ruled china for more than two hundred years.
Supposedly the enemy commander who led his forces thru made the comment.
Walls are only as good as the men who man them....profound and disturbingly apropo for todays situation on the southern border.
The Obamao admin has betrayed the American people by allowing and continuing to allow hordes of illegals....many as hostile as the Barbarian hordes who rampaged across China's great wall.
building a wall is stupid when we have sanctuary cities.
Walls do work. If built properly that is. As East Berliners, or the Mongols about that.
Yet again, building walls in history, have proven to be effective. But watch out, here's modern man, we can send someone to the moon, but nope can't build a wall. :rolleyes:
Immigrants are coming across because there are incentives to do so. Take away the incentives and we will not need to spend money on a damn wall that won't work. Take away the welfare for illegals and go after the people and corporations who hire illegals and we will be well on our way to solving this problem. Then set up a guest work program and follow the rules and go after the rule breakers.
Quote from: s3779m on July 22, 2015, 04:21:57 PM
Immigrants are coming across because there are incentives to do so. Take away the incentives and we will not need to spend money on a damn wall that won't work. Take away the welfare for illegals and go after the people and corporations who hire illegals and we will be well on our way to solving this problem. Then set up a guest work program and follow the rules and go after the rule breakers.
All excellent suggestions, however, our spineless politicians care more about votes than protecting the country and American citizens. While your suggestions are excellent, they'll never be implemented.
Quote from: daidalos on July 22, 2015, 11:49:29 AM
Walls do work. If built properly that is. As East Berliners, or the Mongols about that.
Yet again, building walls in history, have proven to be effective. But watch out, here's modern man, we can send someone to the moon, but nope can't build a wall. :rolleyes:
When some fool made a try for the wall separating east and West Berlin he got machine gunned, the mongols were kept out because of the Chinese Archers on the walls & Parapets....until they bribed a Chinese official to let them breach.
I seriously doubt any wall our nation of Limp wristed wimps would build would have any of these follow ups in place, more likely the Mexicans would steal the damn thing for scrap metal piece by piece. Me, I'd plant land mines....but they'd probably dig them up with metal detectors.
The fish rots from the head down.
There is something in this for those in charge, or it wouldn't be happening.
I would really like to know how many American politicians are on the take.
Just like el Chapo recently escaping from jail, for the second time....you know the higher ups were paid off to look the other way.
Quote from: Dori on July 22, 2015, 05:51:28 PM
The fish rots from the head down.
There is something in this for those in charge, or it wouldn't be happening.
I would really like to know how many American politicians are on the take.
Just like el Chapo recently escaping from jail, for the second time....you know the higher ups were paid off to look the other way.
Thats another problem, lots of the inner city democrats are fueled by drug money, they get these "cash" donations from anonymous sources. You know some of these congressmen are getting drug money somehow some way....how many of them have offshore accounts....
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 22, 2015, 05:43:32 PM
When some fool made a try for the wall separating east and West Berlin he got machine gunned, the mongols were kept out because of the Chinese Archers on the walls & Parapets....until they bribed a Chinese official to let them breach.
I seriously doubt any wall our nation of Limp wristed wimps would build would have any of these follow ups in place, more likely the Mexicans would steal the damn thing for scrap metal piece by piece. Me, I'd plant land mines....but they'd probably dig them up with metal detectors.
:love: :love: :thumbsup: :lol:
(*best Mr. Rogers voice*) Can you say, napalm?
Quote from: quiller on July 22, 2015, 09:29:37 PM
:love: :love: :thumbsup: :lol:
(*best Mr. Rogers voice*) Can you say, napalm?
Nah...waste of good gasoline....I go with the "bouncing betties" fly up in the air and release 200 pellets spread over a 25 meter square area. Make it the Chinese plastic mines that are harder to detect.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 23, 2015, 05:35:22 PM
Nah...waste of good gasoline....I go with the "bouncing betties" fly up in the air and release 200 pellets spread over a 25 meter square area. Make it the Chinese plastic mines that are harder to detect.
Set fire to brush on both sides, creating a path they think they're safe to escape through. Then plant the Bettys
15 meters apart. If the fire doesn't do it, the pellets will.
Quote from: quiller on July 23, 2015, 05:48:17 PM
Set fire to brush on both sides, creating a path they think they're safe to escape through. Then plant the Bettys 15 meters apart. If the fire doesn't do it, the pellets will.
Classic ambush technique, funnel the enemy into a kill zone.....
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 23, 2015, 06:05:14 PM
Classic ambush technique, funnel the enemy into a kill zone.....
I will sleep much better at night, knowing there a plan that will work. :sleep:
Gators along the banks of the Rio Grande.
More wolves, snakes, gila monsters etc.
Quote from: walkstall on July 23, 2015, 06:08:49 PM
I will sleep much better at night, knowing there a plan that will work. :sleep:
It was that flamethrower video I posted. And the memory of all that scrub the wetbacks use for cover. Set the brush afire, and as my esteemed colleague Billy Bloodbath indicates, it's a classic funnel operation.
I mean, gee whiz, we're supposed to figure out low-cost ways to stop the problem. Ways we don't use a lot of people to implement, or money to fund. The most expensive part of this are those plastic dandelion death-darts. So we plant those closer together for maximum effect from what limited numbers may be available.
Who knows? Several applications may be needed, and we can always make more napalm. But those plastic goodies, they're another story!
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on July 12, 2015, 07:21:00 PM
Just interested in idea's for a fence that will work on the border. Jurassic Park fence?
No build one with razor wire on top, and automated gun emplacements to shoot anyone trying to illegally invade this nation.
With as was suggested, a mine field behind it for about a mile or two.
That will stop them, even IF they try to dig tunnels etc...it's 2015, I guarantee you the United States military can and should defend our borders. And put a stop to what is, in fact an illegal invasion of the United States by anyone.