Slavery to Blame for Riots in Ferguson and Baltimore

Started by tac, May 20, 2015, 06:57:58 AM

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Slavery to Blame for Riots in Ferguson and Baltimore

by J. Christian Adams

Vanita Gupta, head of the Department of Justice Civil Rights Division, has told a lawyers group in Colorado that slavery and Jim Crow helped fuel the Ferguson and Baltimore riots.

http://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2015/05/19/doj-official-slavery-to-blame-for-riots-in-ferguson-and-baltimore/




What a crock!

Walter Williams at least gives us a reasonable explanation for the black riots.

QuoteHustlers and people with little understanding want us to believe that today's black problems are the continuing result of a legacy of slavery, poverty and racial discrimination. The fact is that most of the social pathology seen in poor black neighborhoods is entirely new in black history. Let's look at some of it.

Today the overwhelming majority of black children are raised in single female-headed families. As early as the 1880s, three-quarters of black families were two-parent. In 1925 New York City, 85 percent of black families were two-parent. One study of 19th-century slave families found that in up to three-fourths of the families, all the children had the same mother and father.

Today's black illegitimacy rate of nearly 75 percent is also entirely new. In 1940, black illegitimacy stood at 14 percent. It had risen to 25 percent by 1965, when Daniel Patrick Moynihan wrote "The Negro Family: The Case for National Action" and was widely condemned as a racist. By 1980, the black illegitimacy rate had more than doubled, to 56 percent, and it has been growing since. Both during slavery and as late as 1920, a teenage girl raising a child without a man present was rare among blacks.

Much of today's pathology seen among many blacks is an outgrowth of the welfare state that has made self-destructive behavior less costly for the individual. Having children without the benefit of marriage is less burdensome if the mother receives housing subsidies, welfare payments and food stamps. Plus, the social stigma associated with unwed motherhood has vanished. Female-headed households, whether black or white, are a ticket for dependency and all of its associated problems. Ignored in all discussions is the fact that the poverty rate among black married couples has been in single digits since 1994.


http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2015/05/20/the-true-black-tragedy-n2000459

OMG the welfare state??  :lol: You mean the leftists dream of the government plantation is the real cause?  :popcorn:

steve folkster

The recent phenomenon of single headed black families dates back to the 1970s when de-industrialization in America took place.  At that point blacks weren't doing too much worse then whites.  When the manufacturing jobs went in the 1970s blacks were hit much harder because the impact of a college degree became much more pronounced as did the impact of therefore education.   Thus, Slavery did not directly cause the current predicament.  However, it was the cause of the blacks being in amore vulnerable position to beging with as is the fact that most in urban settings were huddled into high concentrated poverty areas as whites fled.

For about the 400 years blacks have been in America they have had equal rights for about 40.  To argue that this has zero impact on curret scenarios is both against all research to the contrary as well as innately ignorant. 


More whites are on welfare then blacks as well.

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Quote from: steve folkster on May 20, 2015, 07:42:17 AM
The recent phenomenon of single headed black families dates back to the 1970s when de-industrialization in America took place.  At that point blacks weren't doing too much worse then whites.  When the manufacturing jobs went in the 1970s blacks were hit much harder because the impact of a college degree became much more pronounced as did the impact of therefore education.   Thus, Slavery did not directly cause the current predicament.  However, it was the cause of the blacks being in amore vulnerable position to beging with as is the fact that most in urban settings were huddled into high concentrated poverty areas as whites fled.

For about the 400 years blacks have been in America they have had equal rights for about 40.  To argue that this has zero impact on curret scenarios is both against all research to the contrary as well as innately ignorant. 


More whites are on welfare then blacks as well.
Seriously? Are you completely ignoring the main cause over the failure of the black family at the hands of LBJ?
WTF are they teaching you kids today?
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They're in the mess they're in because of fatherless homes by 72%, and a lack of education.  The welfare system saw to it that in order to get welfare, you had to be single with dependents and the men left the home so that the women and children could get the benefits.  It's now become a way of life, and today they don't bother to get married.
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Quote from: Solar on May 20, 2015, 07:47:07 AM
Seriously? Are you completely ignoring the main cause over the failure of the black family at the hands of LBJ?
WTF are they teaching you kids today?

I would not be surprised if he has no knowledge of the damage LBJ did with his "war on poverty".
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Solar

Quote from: Dori on May 20, 2015, 07:48:32 AM
They're in the mess they're in because of fatherless homes by 72%, and a lack of education.  The welfare system saw to it that in order to get welfare, you had to be single with dependents and the men left the home so that the women and children could get the benefits.  It's now become a way of life, and today they don't bother to get married.
Yep, that's exactly what LBJ did.
But I have a feeling his indoctrination didn't include facts based in reality.
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Quote from: Dori on May 20, 2015, 07:48:32 AM
They're in the mess they're in because of fatherless homes by 72%, and a lack of education.  The welfare system saw to it that in order to get welfare, you had to be single with dependents and the men left the home so that the women and children could get the benefits.  It's now become a way of life, and today they don't bother to get married.

When you control income blacks get married as much as whites.  Read something.

More whites on welfare for same reason.

Dori

Quote from: steve folkster on May 20, 2015, 07:56:18 AM
When you control income blacks get married as much as whites.  Read something.

More whites on welfare for same reason.

The topic is slavery, Ferguson and Baltimore, but I'll bite.

Yes, there are more whites on welfare, but what are they in proportion?  There are also a lot more fatherless white homes than there used to be too.  Funny how the two go hand in hand isn't it? 
The danger to America is not Barack Obama but the citizens capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.

steve folkster

Quote from: Dori on May 20, 2015, 08:01:01 AM
The topic is slavery, Ferguson and Baltimore, but I'll bite.

Yes, there are more whites on welfare, but what are they in proportion?  There are also a lot more fatherless white homes than there used to be too.  Funny how the two go hand in hand isn't it?

If men don't have jobs, then they become less attractive to marry in the eyes of women.  This has been studied specific to the case of lack of black marriages and has been effectively shown.

My point is that this is a class issue, not a race issue. 
The murder of black men by cops, including the now recent revelation about on duty Iraqi veteran john Brown, is a race issue and not a class issue.   To conclude otherwise is to not only ignore thousands of research studies on both topics, but also again, something that is comical.

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Quote from: steve folkster on May 20, 2015, 08:43:47 AM
If men don't have jobs, then they become less attractive to marry in the eyes of women.  This has been studied specific to the case of lack of black marriages and has been effectively shown.

My point is that this is a class issue, not a race issue. 
The murder of black men by cops, including the now recent revelation about on duty Iraqi veteran john Brown, is a race issue and not a class issue.   To conclude otherwise is to not only ignore thousands of research studies on both topics, but also again, something that is comical.

So.... it is all about "class" uh?

What about the rainbow array of skin tones that come to America legally every year with virtually nothing in assets..... rendering them among your "class deprived" group.... but rise to become successful and prosperous participants in our society?

There is a little element there called "initiative" and "hard working"!

Socio economic "Class" has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with it.

It is more about an "entitlement" mentality among the lazy lemmings!

Dori

Quote from: steve folkster on May 20, 2015, 08:43:47 AM
If men don't have jobs, then they become less attractive to marry in the eyes of women.  This has been studied specific to the case of lack of black marriages and has been effectively shown.

My point is that this is a class issue, not a race issue. 
The murder of black men by cops, including the now recent revelation about on duty Iraqi veteran john Brown, is a race issue and not a class issue.   To conclude otherwise is to not only ignore thousands of research studies on both topics, but also again, something that is comical.

What comes first?  The chicken or the egg, or in this case, the job or the marriage?   What years of welfare has done, is create a victim class, and throw in the thug culture, that is rampant in the black communities.  Imprisonment or jail time is like a right of passage.  Education is ridiculed in many of these communities, there is no respect for authority. Their crime rates are higher. Read what the teachers say they have to deal with.  Read about the educational scores of these schools.  Listen to their rap songs.  Read the books by black people who have come out of the system. 

I had a boss from Africa.  She wasn't very fond of American blacks, and rarely hired them.  I remember one young man I had in my department, she watched him like a hawk and was always questioning me about his performance.  She didn't like their work ethic or attitude. 

This isn't meant to say all blacks think or act this way.  What I'm trying to point out is that there is a very destructive element in a lot of these communities that ruin it for everyone else, and if you come out against your own, you'll have hell to pay for being a "sell out" or an Uncle Tom.  If you make good grades, you'll be accused of "acting white", and it could get you beat up. 
The danger to America is not Barack Obama but the citizens capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.

Charliemyboy

When Lyndon Johnson signed the "War on Poverty" legislation he said, "This'll keep the n****** voting Democratic for a hundred years."  His intent was not to help anyone.  It was to be sure that African-Americans vote Democratic.  I think they already did, but he wanted to insure that it continued.  It was all just hypocritical.  I wonder if he even considered the results of creating a class of people who would be parasites on the rest? I wonder if he even cared. I guess I know the answer to that.
At the time, the joke was, "How do you make a Lyndon Johnson omelet?  Well, first you steal a dozen eggs."

Solar

Quote from: Charliemyboy on May 20, 2015, 11:41:16 AM
When Lyndon Johnson signed the "War on Poverty" legislation he said, "This'll keep the n****** voting Democratic for a hundred years."  His intent was not to help anyone.  It was to be sure that African-Americans vote Democratic.  I think they already did, but he wanted to insure that it continued.  It was all just hypocritical.  I wonder if he even considered the results of creating a class of people who would be parasites on the rest? I wonder if he even cared. I guess I know the answer to that.
At the time, the joke was, "How do you make a Lyndon Johnson omelet?  Well, first you steal a dozen eggs."
Exactly! I have no doubt they aren't teaching the entire story of history, which is why Steve is ignorant on the subject and why he always comes off looking like a complete fool in his every post..
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Quote from: Solar on May 20, 2015, 11:45:26 AM
Exactly! I have no doubt they aren't teaching the entire story of history, which is why Steve is ignorant on the subject and why he always comes off looking like a complete fool in his every post..
If that was their intention, I would have to say they were successful beyond their wildest dreams.

Solar

Quote from: s3779m on May 20, 2015, 01:51:28 PM
If that was their intention, I would have to say they were successful beyond their wildest dreams.
LOL! And this kid is a perfect example of selective teaching, or rather progressive brainwashing.
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