Slavery to Blame for Riots in Ferguson and Baltimoreby J. Christian Adams
Vanita Gupta, head of the Department of Justice Civil Rights Division, has told a lawyers group in Colorado that slavery and Jim Crow helped fuel the Ferguson and Baltimore riots.
http://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2015/05/19/doj-official-slavery-to-blame-for-riots-in-ferguson-and-baltimore/
What a crock!
Walter Williams at least gives us a reasonable explanation for the black riots.
QuoteHustlers and people with little understanding want us to believe that today's black problems are the continuing result of a legacy of slavery, poverty and racial discrimination. The fact is that most of the social pathology seen in poor black neighborhoods is entirely new in black history. Let's look at some of it.
Today the overwhelming majority of black children are raised in single female-headed families. As early as the 1880s, three-quarters of black families were two-parent. In 1925 New York City, 85 percent of black families were two-parent. One study of 19th-century slave families found that in up to three-fourths of the families, all the children had the same mother and father.
Today's black illegitimacy rate of nearly 75 percent is also entirely new. In 1940, black illegitimacy stood at 14 percent. It had risen to 25 percent by 1965, when Daniel Patrick Moynihan wrote "The Negro Family: The Case for National Action" and was widely condemned as a racist. By 1980, the black illegitimacy rate had more than doubled, to 56 percent, and it has been growing since. Both during slavery and as late as 1920, a teenage girl raising a child without a man present was rare among blacks.
Much of today's pathology seen among many blacks is an outgrowth of the welfare state that has made self-destructive behavior less costly for the individual. Having children without the benefit of marriage is less burdensome if the mother receives housing subsidies, welfare payments and food stamps. Plus, the social stigma associated with unwed motherhood has vanished. Female-headed households, whether black or white, are a ticket for dependency and all of its associated problems. Ignored in all discussions is the fact that the poverty rate among black married couples has been in single digits since 1994.
http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2015/05/20/the-true-black-tragedy-n2000459
OMG the welfare state?? :lol: You mean the leftists dream of the government plantation is the real cause? :popcorn:
The recent phenomenon of single headed black families dates back to the 1970s when de-industrialization in America took place. At that point blacks weren't doing too much worse then whites. When the manufacturing jobs went in the 1970s blacks were hit much harder because the impact of a college degree became much more pronounced as did the impact of therefore education. Thus, Slavery did not directly cause the current predicament. However, it was the cause of the blacks being in amore vulnerable position to beging with as is the fact that most in urban settings were huddled into high concentrated poverty areas as whites fled.
For about the 400 years blacks have been in America they have had equal rights for about 40. To argue that this has zero impact on curret scenarios is both against all research to the contrary as well as innately ignorant.
More whites are on welfare then blacks as well.
Quote from: steve folkster on May 20, 2015, 07:42:17 AM
The recent phenomenon of single headed black families dates back to the 1970s when de-industrialization in America took place. At that point blacks weren't doing too much worse then whites. When the manufacturing jobs went in the 1970s blacks were hit much harder because the impact of a college degree became much more pronounced as did the impact of therefore education. Thus, Slavery did not directly cause the current predicament. However, it was the cause of the blacks being in amore vulnerable position to beging with as is the fact that most in urban settings were huddled into high concentrated poverty areas as whites fled.
For about the 400 years blacks have been in America they have had equal rights for about 40. To argue that this has zero impact on curret scenarios is both against all research to the contrary as well as innately ignorant.
More whites are on welfare then blacks as well.
Seriously? Are you completely ignoring the main cause over the failure of the black family at the hands of LBJ?
WTF are they teaching you kids today?
They're in the mess they're in because of fatherless homes by 72%, and a lack of education. The welfare system saw to it that in order to get welfare, you had to be single with dependents and the men left the home so that the women and children could get the benefits. It's now become a way of life, and today they don't bother to get married.
Quote from: Solar on May 20, 2015, 07:47:07 AM
Seriously? Are you completely ignoring the main cause over the failure of the black family at the hands of LBJ?
WTF are they teaching you kids today?
I would not be surprised if he has no knowledge of the damage LBJ did with his "war on poverty".
Quote from: Dori on May 20, 2015, 07:48:32 AM
They're in the mess they're in because of fatherless homes by 72%, and a lack of education. The welfare system saw to it that in order to get welfare, you had to be single with dependents and the men left the home so that the women and children could get the benefits. It's now become a way of life, and today they don't bother to get married.
Yep, that's exactly what LBJ did.
But I have a feeling his indoctrination didn't include facts based in reality.
Quote from: Dori on May 20, 2015, 07:48:32 AM
They're in the mess they're in because of fatherless homes by 72%, and a lack of education. The welfare system saw to it that in order to get welfare, you had to be single with dependents and the men left the home so that the women and children could get the benefits. It's now become a way of life, and today they don't bother to get married.
When you control income blacks get married as much as whites. Read something.
More whites on welfare for same reason.
Quote from: steve folkster on May 20, 2015, 07:56:18 AM
When you control income blacks get married as much as whites. Read something.
More whites on welfare for same reason.
The topic is slavery, Ferguson and Baltimore, but I'll bite.
Yes, there are more whites on welfare, but what are they in proportion? There are also a lot more fatherless white homes than there used to be too. Funny how the two go hand in hand isn't it?
Quote from: Dori on May 20, 2015, 08:01:01 AM
The topic is slavery, Ferguson and Baltimore, but I'll bite.
Yes, there are more whites on welfare, but what are they in proportion? There are also a lot more fatherless white homes than there used to be too. Funny how the two go hand in hand isn't it?
If men don't have jobs, then they become less attractive to marry in the eyes of women. This has been studied specific to the case of lack of black marriages and has been effectively shown.
My point is that this is a class issue, not a race issue.
The murder of black men by cops, including the now recent revelation about on duty Iraqi veteran john Brown, is a race issue and not a class issue. To conclude otherwise is to not only ignore thousands of research studies on both topics, but also again, something that is comical.
Quote from: steve folkster on May 20, 2015, 08:43:47 AM
If men don't have jobs, then they become less attractive to marry in the eyes of women. This has been studied specific to the case of lack of black marriages and has been effectively shown.
My point is that this is a class issue, not a race issue.
The murder of black men by cops, including the now recent revelation about on duty Iraqi veteran john Brown, is a race issue and not a class issue. To conclude otherwise is to not only ignore thousands of research studies on both topics, but also again, something that is comical.
So.... it is all about "class" uh?
What about the rainbow array of skin tones that come to America legally every year with virtually nothing in assets..... rendering them among your "class deprived" group.... but rise to become successful and prosperous participants in our society?
There is a little element there called "initiative" and "hard working"!
Socio economic "Class" has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with it.
It is more about an "entitlement" mentality among the lazy lemmings!
Quote from: steve folkster on May 20, 2015, 08:43:47 AM
If men don't have jobs, then they become less attractive to marry in the eyes of women. This has been studied specific to the case of lack of black marriages and has been effectively shown.
My point is that this is a class issue, not a race issue.
The murder of black men by cops, including the now recent revelation about on duty Iraqi veteran john Brown, is a race issue and not a class issue. To conclude otherwise is to not only ignore thousands of research studies on both topics, but also again, something that is comical.
What comes first? The chicken or the egg, or in this case, the job or the marriage? What years of welfare has done, is create a victim class, and throw in the thug culture, that is rampant in the black communities. Imprisonment or jail time is like a right of passage. Education is ridiculed in many of these communities, there is no respect for authority. Their crime rates are higher. Read what the teachers say they have to deal with. Read about the educational scores of these schools. Listen to their rap songs. Read the books by black people who have come out of the system.
I had a boss from Africa. She wasn't very fond of American blacks, and rarely hired them. I remember one young man I had in my department, she watched him like a hawk and was always questioning me about his performance. She didn't like their work ethic or attitude.
This isn't meant to say all blacks think or act this way. What I'm trying to point out is that there is a very destructive element in a lot of these communities that ruin it for everyone else, and if you come out against your own, you'll have hell to pay for being a "sell out" or an Uncle Tom. If you make good grades, you'll be accused of "acting white", and it could get you beat up.
When Lyndon Johnson signed the "War on Poverty" legislation he said, "This'll keep the n****** voting Democratic for a hundred years." His intent was not to help anyone. It was to be sure that African-Americans vote Democratic. I think they already did, but he wanted to insure that it continued. It was all just hypocritical. I wonder if he even considered the results of creating a class of people who would be parasites on the rest? I wonder if he even cared. I guess I know the answer to that.
At the time, the joke was, "How do you make a Lyndon Johnson omelet? Well, first you steal a dozen eggs."
Quote from: Charliemyboy on May 20, 2015, 11:41:16 AM
When Lyndon Johnson signed the "War on Poverty" legislation he said, "This'll keep the n****** voting Democratic for a hundred years." His intent was not to help anyone. It was to be sure that African-Americans vote Democratic. I think they already did, but he wanted to insure that it continued. It was all just hypocritical. I wonder if he even considered the results of creating a class of people who would be parasites on the rest? I wonder if he even cared. I guess I know the answer to that.
At the time, the joke was, "How do you make a Lyndon Johnson omelet? Well, first you steal a dozen eggs."
Exactly! I have no doubt they aren't teaching the entire story of history, which is why Steve is ignorant on the subject and why he always comes off looking like a complete fool in his every post..
Quote from: Solar on May 20, 2015, 11:45:26 AM
Exactly! I have no doubt they aren't teaching the entire story of history, which is why Steve is ignorant on the subject and why he always comes off looking like a complete fool in his every post..
If that was their intention, I would have to say they were successful beyond their wildest dreams.
Quote from: s3779m on May 20, 2015, 01:51:28 PM
If that was their intention, I would have to say they were successful beyond their wildest dreams.
LOL! And this kid is a perfect example of selective teaching, or rather progressive brainwashing.
Quote from: tac on May 20, 2015, 06:57:58 AM
Slavery to Blame for Riots in Ferguson and Baltimore
by J. Christian Adams
Vanita Gupta, head of the Department of Justice Civil Rights Division, has told a lawyers group in Colorado that slavery and Jim Crow helped fuel the Ferguson and Baltimore riots.
http://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2015/05/19/doj-official-slavery-to-blame-for-riots-in-ferguson-and-baltimore/
What a crock!
Walter Williams at least gives us a reasonable explanation for the black riots.
OMG the welfare state?? :lol: You mean the leftists dream of the government plantation is the real cause? :popcorn:
And that's what it is too, the government plantation. Do something to better yourself, you get penalized. It's that simple.
But Jim Crow laws, and the slavery of over two hundred years ago are to blame? Boy talk about grasping at straws! What we saw in both those cities were outside agitators, egging things on.
Who just had a sit in, at a certain organization, because they weren't paid the money they were promised they would be paid, for traveling to those cities and instigating violence.
They should be arresting them, for incitement of riot. Which is last I checked still against the law.
Quote from: tac on May 20, 2015, 06:57:58 AM
Slavery to Blame for Riots in Ferguson and Baltimore
by J. Christian Adams
Vanita Gupta, head of the Department of Justice Civil Rights Division, has told a lawyers group in Colorado that slavery and Jim Crow helped fuel the Ferguson and Baltimore riots.
http://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2015/05/19/doj-official-slavery-to-blame-for-riots-in-ferguson-and-baltimore/
What a crock!
Walter Williams at least gives us a reasonable explanation for the black riots.
OMG the welfare state?? :lol: You mean the leftists dream of the government plantation is the real cause? :popcorn:
Slavery and Jim Crow? So it is the Democrats fault!!
Quote from: steve folkster on May 20, 2015, 08:43:47 AM
If men don't have jobs, then they become less attractive to marry in the eyes of women. This has been studied specific to the case of lack of black marriages and has been effectively shown.
My point is that this is a class issue, not a race issue.
The murder of black men by cops, including the now recent revelation about on duty Iraqi veteran john Brown, is a race issue and not a class issue. To conclude otherwise is to not only ignore thousands of research studies on both topics, but also again, something that is comical.
Exactly how many "classes" are there in America?
What is the definition of each "class"?
Are there "good" classes and "bad" classes?
Can a person move from one "class" to another? If so, how?
Quote from: steve folkster on May 20, 2015, 08:43:47 AM
If men don't have jobs, then they become less attractive to marry in the eyes of women. This has been studied specific to the case of lack of black marriages and has been effectively shown.
My point is that this is a class issue, not a race issue.
The murder of black men by cops, including the now recent revelation about on duty Iraqi veteran john Brown, is a race issue and not a class issue. To conclude otherwise is to not only ignore thousands of research studies on both topics, but also again, something that is comical.
Not even a mention about bad choices, dropping out of school, joining gangs, drug dealing and other criminal activity that leads to incarceration and makes the felons less employable? It's all the cops and history's fault right!! :angry:
Maybe the real problem is they make more money at their criminal activity and don't want a real job!!
Quote from: Darth Fife on May 20, 2015, 04:36:16 PM
Exactly how many "classes" are there in America?
What is the definition of each "class"?
Are there "good" classes and "bad" classes?
Can a person move from one "class" to another? If so, how?
1 - Employer
2 - Employee
3 - Government Leech
4 - Non-government Leech
2 becomes 1 through hard work. 3 stays in power because 4 does not.
My company was trying to hire blacks in a rough area of Florida.
None of us could understand them (speech). They are killing themselves and blaming Slavery or that whites hates them.
Ah the victimization canard...
Quote from: Darth Fife on May 20, 2015, 04:36:16 PM
Exactly how many "classes" are there in America?
What is the definition of each "class"?
Are there "good" classes and "bad" classes?
Can a person move from one "class" to another? If so, how?
We don't have a class system, everyone is equal under the law. Or well supposed to be. And that's the problem, American's in their apathy have allowed some, to think, that they are above the laws of the land. As for example the President does. As for example Hillary Clinton does.
As for "classes" some like to try and de-unite this nation by talking about this class or that class. But technically we aren't a caste system nation. As yes you can move upwards and downwards in our society economically. Usually through going to school or learning a trade etc...
Unless you happen to be on the government plantation, then you are penalized for trying to make yourself better. There are even cases where people have been told that because they went to school, while they were getting entitlements, they have to pay them back the assistance they got.
I even know of one person who was told they couldn't get benefits, why? Because their parents collected on them as children when they shouldn't have been.
So unless and until that child, or the parents repays, they can't get any help. That's just a few examples I know of personally, where individuals are being penalized for not being on the plantation. Or trying to get off of it.
Lastly let me say this, I am on disability. Mine is service related, I am not a leech, as if I could do what I used to do, I made way way more than I get on my disability. Would I work? In a n.y. second, if I could find a stable job, which would pay the bills. Lastly, I am not getting an "entitlement", I am not on "welfare" I am getting what I was promised and what I have not only paid into, but have through my service earned.
Note the period. And remember that, the next time some feel the urge to lump all who receive "welfare" as leech's.
Quote from: darroll on May 20, 2015, 05:22:01 PM
My company was trying to hire blacks in a rough area of Florida.
None of us could understand them (speech). They are killing themselves and blaming Slavery or that whites hates them.
Hey, that's discriminatory! We don't have an official language in the United States. So it's up to you, to know ebonics and jive! I jest, of course. Well partly, I do think we should make English the official language of the United States though.
I get so fed up with being told "for services in English press 1" every time I call a business anymore that's what it seems like they say.
To hell with that, I'm an American, I speak English, and I shouldn't have to press anything to converse with another American. The problems you ran into, are precisely why I think some industry should't be allowed to outsource to other nations. Such as financial institutions for example. They should have to be based in, and have their call centers based in, the United States. I once wound up speaking to someone overseas, who didn't know the difference between a customers rights, and a privilege.
Quote from: daidalos on May 22, 2015, 06:34:33 PM
We don't have a class system, everyone is equal under the law...
As for "classes" some like to try and de-unite this nation by talking about this class or that class. But technically we aren't a caste system nation. As yes you can move upwards and downwards in our society economically. Usually through going to school or learning a trade etc...
That was pretty much my point. I was just wondering how our recently departed forum member would have tackled that question.
:wink:
Quote from: Darth Fife on May 23, 2015, 10:40:18 AM
That was pretty much my point. I was just wondering how our recently departed forum member would have tackled that question.
:wink:
By going off topic and posting another source his professor gave him. Then claim how he is kicking everyone's ass, how stupid we are, call us a few more names and then go back to his video games. everything but answer the question.
For any Liberals who might stumble upon this thread...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxRSkM8C8z4
Vanita Gupta says all Americans have innate racial biases, but it's something she can overcome:
https://rumble.com/veojud-sen.-cotton-exposes-illogic-of-critical-race-theory.html
Yes, democrats are to blame....
Quote from: steve folkster on May 20, 2015, 08:43:47 AM
My point is that this is a class issue, not a race issue.
The murder of black men by cops, including the now recent revelation about on duty Iraqi veteran john Brown, is a race issue and not a class issue. To conclude otherwise is to not only ignore thousands of research studies on both topics, but also again, something that is comical.
No in the case of cops shooting black men its a crime issue. Young black men commit most of the crime in the USA...mostly against other black men, women and children, black on black crime is a statistical fact. Now rather than address this issue the left tries to obscure the facts and Stats and scream "Racism". So Im a racist for pointing out facts. THATS WHY NOTHING EVER GETS DONE ABOUT THE PROBLEM
How else shall we explain the bloody streets of chicago were some weekends see more than 40 people (Mostly all black) shot, stabbed beaten by mostly other Blacks.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 17, 2021, 05:45:28 AM
No in the case of cops shooting black men its a crime issue. Young black men commit most of the crime in the USA...mostly against other black men, women and children, black on black crime is a statistical fact. Now rather than address this issue the left tries to obscure the facts and Stats and scream "Racism". So Im a racist for pointing out facts. THATS WHY NOTHING EVER GETS DONE ABOUT THE PROBLEM
How else shall we explain the bloody streets of chicago were some weekends see more than 40 people (Mostly all black) shot, stabbed beaten by mostly other Blacks.
In my experience what we are witnessing is a little bit of hyperbole mixed with psychoiogy. The liberal Dems are trying to incite racism by claiming that they are against racism while claiming that the entire system is systemically racist.
What they REALLY want to do is create anarchy and destroy the entire system so they can "rebuild" it to THEIR liking. As we've seen with the presidential election, it's working!
Quote from: tac on May 20, 2015, 06:57:58 AM
Slavery to Blame for Riots in Ferguson and Baltimore
by J. Christian Adams
Vanita Gupta, head of the Department of Justice Civil Rights Division, has told a lawyers group in Colorado that slavery and Jim Crow helped fuel the Ferguson and Baltimore riots.
http://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2015/05/19/doj-official-slavery-to-blame-for-riots-in-ferguson-and-baltimore/
What a crock!
Walter Williams at least gives us a reasonable explanation for the black riots.
OMG the welfare state?? :lol: You mean the leftists dream of the government plantation is the real cause? :popcorn:
Walter Williams was a man who stood head and shoulders above the rest. He was ,"a man's man." His entire life was/is, a testimony to the independent spirit that made Americans unique in every respect. BTW, Walter Williams just happened to be, black.
R.I.P.
Quote from: RV on March 17, 2021, 06:18:42 AM
In my experience what we are witnessing is a little bit of hyperbole mixed with psychoiogy. The liberal Dems are trying to incite racism by claiming that they are against racism while claiming that the entire system is systemically racist.
What they REALLY want to do is create anarchy and destroy the entire system so they can "rebuild" it to THEIR liking. As we've seen with the presidential election, it's working!
This exactly! The Marxists very effectively weaponized blacks and liberal whites to hate America so anyone who isn't anti-white/America can be labeled a "racist" :angry:
If slavery is to blame for everybody's violence and bad behavior, why aren't the Irish, Scottish, Slavic peoples committing the vast majority of street crime, riots and constant bitching and moaning?
Quote from: Mimsy on March 17, 2021, 03:05:29 PM
If slavery is to blame for everybody's violence and bad behavior, why aren't the Irish, Scottish, Slavic peoples committing the vast majority of street crime, riots and constant bitching and moaning?
and of course the Jews would have reasons also...