Should The Tea Party Split From The Republicans and form their own party?

[Kaz]

I will not bother to try to describe what the Tea Party is....a waste of time.

  What I am willing to discuss is what the Tea Party Should be.

And you think the group that keeps trying to defeat the Republican establishment candidates even in places like Delaware are too rooted in being Republican to be what you want them to be?

And what is it you want them to be exactly?  You seem too rooted in trying to portray them as being the Democratic caricature of them to have figured that out exactly.

[Kaz]

Folks, this is not rocket science.  It does not take a genius to understand what is going on and what is needed to fix it.

The problem with the Republicans is that they listen to the talking heads on the alphabet media too much.  Many of these morons(not really stupid as in low i.q.s just unable to think for themselves)actually have fallen for the liberal b.s. that in order to win the Republicans must become more like the democrats....now only idiots would think the media can tell them what they need to do to win.

While I don't consider myself a tea partier exactly, why do you think that running on the idea that government is taxing and spending too much is a bad idea exactly?  That seems to me to be their strong suit.

[Cryptic Bert]

While I don't consider myself a tea partier exactly, why do you think that running on the idea that government is taxing and spending too much is a bad idea exactly?  That seems to me to be their strong suit.

You are wasting your time. He's not here for debate. Like most trolls he's in desperate need for attention. He just wants to disrupt the forum.

[TeeMan]

So the Tea Party should start a third party then?

No....only if they cannot manage to get A Real Conservative as the Republican Candidate.  They can still call themselves a movement or whatever....just a movement that has all the characteristics of a real party.

Unfortunately...the powers that be in the Republican Party are in cahoots with the media....a huge attempt has been underway for sometime to demonize the tea partiers....very likely they will be successful enough to be able to foist another loser candidate on the republican party aka.  jeb bush, rubio or whoever.

Now many tea partiers last time reconciled themselves as in.....'well...anyone is better than obama'...whilst true it was not enough to motivate the kind of turnout needed to win.

This time if once again the East Coast Big Wigs get the candidate they want............then the Tea Partiers need to divorce themselves absolutely from the Republican Party...........become an official third party ---select a candidate and  the results might suprise everyone.  See my link on the chances or how a 3rd party can actually be succesful despite what the talking heads will tell you.

[Kaz]

I don't know how you missed it but here is what I have said previously regarding what the so called 'Tea Party' needs to do.

First of all they need to have a big meeting or a convention whatever they want to call it....elect a leader, agree on a platform aka...exactly what they stand for and hopefully it will be more than just a smaller government and lower taxes.

Now this will be the painful part for many on here .....as most on here appear politically correct.......they need to appeal directly to the White Working Class...make it very clear in their platform, manifesto or whatever they want to call it (their core beliefs)that they support the White Working Class....understanding that The White Working Class is the largest voting bloc in the nation and the only group with the numbers needed to elect the next President and willing to vote republican..... if they are motivated to get out and vote.

Then they need to launch a huge, huge nationwide campaign to recruit members and obtain financial support.

They should concentrate on the next Presidential Election...local politics will take care of itself.


Regarding specific candidates....the two most appealing at this time I think are Ted Cruz and Scott Walker.

Why exactly is leaving the Republican party a better idea than continuing to co-opt the establishment Republican agenda?  It seems to be a lot more effective than trying to win as a third party.

Also, you didn't process what I pointed out to you before, the tea party members have a lot of different views, they just agree that government is taxing and spending too much.  A pretty "no duh" position.

[TeeMan]

While I don't consider myself a tea partier exactly, why do you think that running on the idea that government is taxing and spending too much is a bad idea exactly?  That seems to me to be their strong suit.

That appeals mainly to the wealthy, the upper middle or people with good jobs or good incomes.

The voting bloc the Republican Party needs to win have more interests than that...what the Republicans need to win is a Candidate that combines the traits of Theodore Rossevelt with Huey P. Long.

[TeeMan]

Why exactly is leaving the Republican party a better idea than continuing to co-opt the establishment Republican agenda?  It seems to be a lot more effective than trying to win as a third party.

Also, you didn't process what I pointed out to you before, the tea party members have a lot of different views, they just agree that government is taxing and spending too much.  A pretty "no duh" position.

They should only leave the Republican Party as a last resort.  If the mainstream republicans are successful in getting another poliltically correct/liberal/moderate to head the ticket...then and only then should the republican party be abandoned.

I understand all too well the different views of the tea partiers....that is why I suggest they need to hold a big pow...come to an agreement on a set of principles aka a manifesto they can present to the American People...in other words an agreement on what they support...and if they want to be a winner in the next Presidential Election they best make it clear they support The White Working Class..

[Cryptic Bert]

No....only if they cannot manage to get A Real Conservative as the Republican Candidate.  They can still call themselves a movement or whatever....just a movement that has all the characteristics of a real party.

What is wrong with you? It is a movement. The name is a play on the actual event.

Unfortunately...the powers that be in the Republican Party are in cahoots with the media.

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No they are not. They would like to be but they are not.

a huge attempt has been underway for sometime to demonize the tea partiers....

Thank you Captain Obvious.

very likely they will be successful enough to be able to foist another loser candidate on the republican party aka.  jeb bush, rubio or whoever.

That has nothing to do with the Tea Party.

Now many tea partiers last time reconciled themselves as in.....'well...anyone is better than obama'...whilst true it was not enough to motivate the kind of turnout needed to win.

Nope the The Tea Party is the indirect result of that strategy.

This time if once again the East Coast Big Wigs get the candidate they want............then the Tea Partiers need to divorce themselves absolutely from the Republican Party...........become an official third party ---select a candidate and  the results might suprise everyone.  See my link on the chances or how a 3rd party can actually be succesful despite what the talking heads will tell you.

A minute ago you said the establishment is against the Tea Party. Now you are saying if they are. Which is it? If they are why not start a third party now? Stop contradicting yourself. And your link is crap. it will take years for a third party to become viable.

[Cryptic Bert]

They should only leave the Republican Party as a last resort.  If the mainstream republicans are successful in getting another poliltically correct/liberal/moderate to head the ticket...then and only then should the republican party be abandoned.

I understand all too well the different views of the tea partiers....that is why I suggest they need to hold a big pow...come to an agreement on a set of principles aka a manifesto they can present to the American People...in other words an agreement on what they support...and if they want to be a winner in the next Presidential Election they best make it clear they support The White Working Class..

The issue isn't policy. It's strategy.

[TeeMan]

And you think the group that keeps trying to defeat the Republican establishment candidates even in places like Delaware are too rooted in being Republican to be what you want them to be?

And what is it you want them to be exactly?  You seem too rooted in trying to portray them as being the Democratic caricature of them to have figured that out exactly.

It is not a question of what I want them to be.....it is a question of what they must be if they want to win the next presidential election.

I want them to be a winner....and I have laid out many times already what they need to be or do in order to defeat the democrats.

In a nutshell:  A true conservative of the nature of Teddy Roosevelt with some kinship to Huey P. Long....that is what it will take to get the overwhelming numbers of the White Working Class...which is a prerequisite for victory.

[TeeMan]

The issue isn't policy. It's strategy.

I would not argue with that.

[supsalemgr]

What is wrong with you? It is a movement. The name is a play on the actual event.
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No they are not. They would like to be but they are not.

Thank you Captain Obvious.


That has nothing to do with the Tea Party.

Nope the The Tea Party is the indirect result of that strategy.

A minute ago you said the establishment is against the Tea Party. Now you are saying if they are. Which is it? If they are why not start a third party now? Stop contradicting yourself. And your link is crap. it will take years for a third party to become viable.

TeeMan has confirmed he is nothing but a troll. I will not get into a "tail chasing" game with him.

[Cryptic Bert]

I would not argue with that.

Then you debunked your own arguments.

[Kaz]

That appeals mainly to the wealthy, the upper middle or people with good jobs or good incomes.

The voting bloc the Republican Party needs to win have more interests than that...what the Republicans need to win is a Candidate that combines the traits of Theodore Rossevelt with Huey P. Long.

So out of curiosity, are you a Democrat or an establishment Republican?  You certainly have liberal stereotypes and lack of in depth understanding down to a ... Tee ...

[TeeMan]

What is wrong with you? It is a movement. The name is a play on the actual event.
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No they are not. They would like to be but they are not.

Thank you Captain Obvious.


That has nothing to do with the Tea Party.

Nope the The Tea Party is the indirect result of that strategy.

A minute ago you said the establishment is against the Tea Party. Now you are saying if they are. Which is it? If they are why not start a third party now? Stop contradicting yourself. And your link is crap. it will take years for a third party to become viable.

You are stuck on being argumentative and thus cannot see the forrest for the trees.

  I am not here to win debating points ...merely attempting  to try and help clarify a lot of muddled minds.

What we need is clear thinking....tooooo many are toooo impressed with their own agendas to understand the big picture.