breaking now...
There's virtually no other conclusion... a SAM knocked it down;
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/17/malaysia-airlines-jet-reportedly-crashes-in-ukraine/ (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/17/malaysia-airlines-jet-reportedly-crashes-in-ukraine/)
http://news.sky.com/story/1302864/malaysian-plane-shot-down-with-295-on-board (http://news.sky.com/story/1302864/malaysian-plane-shot-down-with-295-on-board)
It was shot down over pro russian Donestk region with a sophisticated missile supplied by Russia.
Note to self: don't fly Malaysian Airlines.
I would say the Malaysians have the right to bomb Russia and invade.
Quote from: dashvinny on July 17, 2014, 09:34:52 AM
I would say the Malaysians have the right to bomb Russia and invade.
Just how long do you think the Malaysians would last? :rolleyes:
Quote from: walkstall on July 17, 2014, 09:37:40 AM
Just how long do you think the Malaysians would last? :rolleyes:
Hard to say, but this is an act of war.
Quote from: dashvinny on July 17, 2014, 09:48:14 AM
Hard to say, but this is an act of war.
So was 9/11 but the libs did not think so.
Division of "Buk" missles of Armed Forces of Ukraine was relocated by Ukrainian security forces in the area of Donetsk on Wednesday morning, shortly before the crash Malaysian Boeing, said a competent source.
"According to the system of objective control, on Wednesday in the Donetsk region was transferred Division of" Buks" "Armed Forces of Ukraine. Now Kharkov loaded another division of the same weapon, "- said the source RIA" Novosti "
The source noted that the aircraft at an altitude of 10 kilometers can be hit only weapons such as S-300 or the "Book". Militias, the source said, can not have such weapon.
Earlier it was reported that Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 fell on the territory of Ukraine near the Russian border.
Plane going from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur at an altitude of 10,000 meters over the territory of Ukraine within the international corridor.
As stated by the Ukrainian authorities, the aircraft was shot down by the anti-aircraft missile system "Buk".
On board were 280 passengers and 15 crew members, all of whom died.
Dead bodies and wreckage is found.
It is worth noting that the crash occurred in the same plane with the same airline in the case of the disappearance of an airliner in March in the sky over the Indian Ocean.
Recall that in the sky over Ukraine already have been wrecked passenger plane through the fault of the military. October 4, 2001 Tu-154M "Siberia", carrying out flight 1812 from Tel Aviv - Novosibirsk, was hit by a Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile S-200 released into the air as part of the Crimean peninsula conducted military exercises. According to the IAC, the destruction of the aircraft occurred unintentionally.
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Look for who it would profitable - only for the junta in Kiev. They waited and cry for so long about "russian invasion", that never came.... they failing in everything and now they have their asses kicked in Donbass. So, no surprise, that fashist scam would do the provocation, especially, when brainwashed world ready to blame Russia and Putin for everything.
And of course, ukrainian military force is fully incompetent, so they may did it unintentionally - they wanted to kill some civilians in Donbass, but missed it.
Or, somebody in the wide world very interested to escalate conflict and blowing airplane from inside, over Ukraine and blame Russia for that.
Starting to sound like this may have been the result of a group of amateurs operating equipment way over their heads. The plane was shot down but was it the intended target????
Interesting........
"Advisor to the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Zorian Shkiryak after the collapse of Malaysian Boeing aircraft in the east of the country called the United States and NATO to help the Ukrainian military in charge of special operations against the militias. "The United States should immediately provide us with modern precision weapons and support from the air, ground and NATO to begin a military operation to protect" - wrote in his Facebook. "
Quote from: kalash on July 17, 2014, 10:24:45 AM
Interesting........
"Advisor to the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Zorian Shkiryak after the collapse of Malaysian Boeing aircraft in the east of the country called the United States and NATO to help the Ukrainian military in charge of special operations against the militias. "The United States should immediately provide us with modern precision weapons and support from the air, ground and NATO to begin a military operation to protect" - wrote in his Facebook. "
Why should the US do this? Don't we have our hands full with border issues? Where is our "help"?
I wonder how long the media will be able to milk this in order to keep the invasion of illegals out of the American consciousness.
This couldn't have been Russia. They're not dangerous. Hussein said so when he made fun of Romney in the debate, where he said the 80s called and wants their foreign policy back. So, I wonder who this is.
Quote from: kalash on July 17, 2014, 10:04:27 AM
Division of "Buk" missles of Armed Forces of Ukraine was relocated by Ukrainian security forces in the area of Donetsk on Wednesday morning, shortly before the crash Malaysian Boeing, said a competent source.
"According to the system of objective control, on Wednesday in the Donetsk region was transferred Division of" Buks" "Armed Forces of Ukraine. Now Kharkov loaded another division of the same weapon, "- said the source RIA" Novosti "
The source noted that the aircraft at an altitude of 10 kilometers can be hit only weapons such as S-300 or the "Book". Militias, the source said, can not have such weapon.
Earlier it was reported that Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 fell on the territory of Ukraine near the Russian border.
Plane going from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur at an altitude of 10,000 meters over the territory of Ukraine within the international corridor.
As stated by the Ukrainian authorities, the aircraft was shot down by the anti-aircraft missile system "Buk".
On board were 280 passengers and 15 crew members, all of whom died.
Dead bodies and wreckage is found.
It is worth noting that the crash occurred in the same plane with the same airline in the case of the disappearance of an airliner in March in the sky over the Indian Ocean.
Recall that in the sky over Ukraine already have been wrecked passenger plane through the fault of the military. October 4, 2001 Tu-154M "Siberia", carrying out flight 1812 from Tel Aviv - Novosibirsk, was hit by a Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile S-200 released into the air as part of the Crimean peninsula conducted military exercises. According to the IAC, the destruction of the aircraft occurred unintentionally.
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Look for who it would profitable - only for the junta in Kiev. They waited and cry for so long about "russian invasion", that never came.... they failing in everything and now they have their asses kicked in Donbass. So, no surprise, that fashist scam would do the provocation, especially, when brainwashed world ready to blame Russia and Putin for everything.
And of course, ukrainian military force is fully incompetent, so they may did it unintentionally - they wanted to kill some civilians in Donbass, but missed it.
Or, somebody in the wide world very interested to escalate conflict and blowing airplane from inside, over Ukraine and blame Russia for that.
Total propaganda and you know it.
Nice try.
The Donetsk seperatists shot-down a Ukrainian cargo-plane with their stolen BUK-unit on Monday, then bragged about it on their website and
Twitter-page. Then a Russian fighter-jet shot-down a Ukrainian fighter-jet yesterday, with more hootin' and hollerin'.
The same sites bragged about launching a BUK at a "Ukranian cargo-plane" today at the time the jet vanished from Malaysian-radar...
for 26-minutes. Then the sites
went blank.
Putin's almost as big of a liar as our President.
Quote from: taxed on July 17, 2014, 02:45:01 PM
This couldn't have been Russia. They're not dangerous. Hussein said so when he made fun of Romney in the debate, where he said the 80s called and wants their foreign policy back. So, I wonder who this is.
Hmm... One of Hillary lost missile? :glare:
Quote from: walkstall on July 17, 2014, 02:53:33 PM
Hmm... One of Hillary lost missile? :glare:
I'm waiting for them to blame the tea party.
Quote from: taxed on July 17, 2014, 03:01:02 PM
I'm waiting for them to blame the tea party.
Or a TEA youtube video.
Quote from: taxed on July 17, 2014, 03:01:02 PM
I'm waiting for them to blame the tea party.
Yes, yes it could only have come from the tea party. They have been stockpiling them for over 2000 year, :sneaky: so they tell me.
Spanish air-dispatcher in Kiev airport
https://twitter.com/spainbuca/status/489813837013848065
"The B 777 aircraft flew escorted by 2 ukraine fighter jets until minutes before disappearing from radar"
Quote from: kalash on July 17, 2014, 04:42:16 PM
Spanish air-dispatcher in Kiev airport
https://twitter.com/spainbuca/status/489813837013848065
"The B 777 aircraft flew escorted by 2 ukraine fighter jets until minutes before disappearing from radar"
Really? You are using Twitter as a source?
What are you on?
Quote from: kit saginaw on July 17, 2014, 02:50:52 PM
Total propaganda and you know it.
Putin's almost as big of a liar as our President.
Yeah, you know the truth! And you are not alone:
https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=The+Sun+Putin%27s+missile&ei=UTF-8&fr=chr-greentree_ff&ilc=12&type=599486
Why is this idiot still here?
Quote from: kit saginaw on July 17, 2014, 02:50:52 PM
Total propaganda and you know it.
Nice try.
The Donetsk seperatists shot-down a Ukrainian cargo-plane with their stolen BUK-unit on Monday, then bragged about it on their website and Twitter-page. Then a Russian fighter-jet shot-down a Ukrainian fighter-jet yesterday, with more hootin' and hollerin'.
The same sites bragged about launching a BUK at a "Ukranian cargo-plane" today at the time the jet vanished from Malaysian-radar... for 26-minutes. Then the sites went blank.
Putin's almost as big of a liar as our President.
Don't dispute Ukraine with me please, just listen and nodd politely...
http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/07/18/7032278/ (http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/07/18/7032278/)
"...Terrorists didn't seized military equipment defense Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donetsk, military reported to the President Peter Poroshenko after downing aircraft over the Donetsk region, told the Prosecutor General Vitaly Yarema .
"After having been hit by a passenger plane, the military reported to the President that the terrorists didn't have our missile systems" Buk "and C300. They didn't capture them " - Yarema said in comments to newspaper "Ukrainian truth"
Defense Ministry already refuted information released citing unofficial sources about the alleged capture by "terrorists" anti-aircraft missiles defense parts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donetsk region.
"Press and Information Office of the Ministry of Defence announced that on June 29 the decision of the commander of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and military machinery of antiaircraft missile regiment in Donetsk were quickly relocated to a certain place. On the territory of the military control was only an old and unusable automotive electronics, that the military even more incapacitated. Eventually terrorists entered the territory "- said in a statement the Ministry of Defense. "
The Russians would never murder people. :rolleyes:
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/reagan's-message-on-russia-shooting-down-korean-airliner/ (http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/reagan's-message-on-russia-shooting-down-korean-airliner/)
Russians NEVER do anything casually, IF (and right now its a big if) some "Ukranian Militia" shot this plane down it was likely mistaken for a Russian aircraft. The other possible explaination is that the Russians shot it down for whatever reason (who was on board??????)and blame it or Ukraine in order to go in after them and reconstitute the USSR as Putin the great wants.
Quote from: kalash on July 17, 2014, 05:39:17 PM
Don't dispute Ukraine with me please, just listen and nodd politely...
Your guys are preventing anyone, including international aeronautical-crash investigators from examining the wreckage. The jet's
black-boxes are being sent to Moscow, allegedly. Why?
It's a Dutch Airlines plane.
And it's also alleged that the dead bodies are being sent to Moscow. That's insane, if true.
The people who murdered
yours-and-my hypothetical families are going to 'handle' their remains, then grant us permission to spend our money to come and claim them??
Let's go to a neutral, far-flung news-source... Jo-berg, South Africa;
http://mg.co.za/article/2014-07-17-hundreds-die-as-malaysian-plane-shot-down-over-ukraine (http://mg.co.za/article/2014-07-17-hundreds-die-as-malaysian-plane-shot-down-over-ukraine)
A Malaysian airliner was shot down over eastern Ukraine by militants on Thursday, killing all 295 people aboard, a Ukrainian interior ministry official was quoted as saying by Interfax-Ukraine news agency.No mention of your anti-Kiev insider claims.
I think I'm gonna' wait and get the truth of this from katsung.
He's always got the lowdown.
Looks like Kalash is one of the "useful idiots"...
Quote from: PeterR on July 17, 2014, 08:19:33 PM
I think I'm gonna' wait and get the truth of this from katsung.
He's always got the lowdown.
Ahh, so it was aliens that did it, or was it govt mind control again?
That guy is a real trip.
Another opinion:
"The reporting on this incident has been ridiculous. There is ZERO evidence that this plane was shot down.
There is, however, evidence that the Boeing 777 has suffered a myriad of problems, including an FFA report warning this spring that without proper maintenance it could break up in flight. (Which appear to be what happened)
It concerns me that our usually careful journalists can only see this through the lens of the crisis in Ukraine. The NY Times, CNN, BBC reporters need to take a deep breath, and just report the facts.
The facts point to a flawed plane, which requires enormous and careful maintenance, which, having lost two of these behemoths of the sky, the Malaysians just are not capable of operating."
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 17, 2014, 08:21:42 PM
Looks like Kalash is one of the "useful idiots"...
But, but but it must be true, Russia would never spew propaganda. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2014, 08:45:38 PM
But, but but it must be true, Russia would never spew propaganda. :rolleyes:
And he proved it by sourcing Twitter...
Quote from: kalash on July 17, 2014, 08:41:22 PM
Another opinion:
"The reporting on this incident has been ridiculous. There is ZERO evidence that this plane was shot down.
There is, however, evidence that the Boeing 777 has suffered a myriad of problems, including an FFA report warning this spring that without proper maintenance it could break up in flight. (Which appear to be what happened)
It concerns me that our usually careful journalists can only see this through the lens of the crisis in Ukraine. The NY Times, CNN, BBC reporters need to take a deep breath, and just report the facts.
The facts point to a flawed plane, which requires enormous and careful maintenance, which, having lost two of these behemoths of the sky, the Malaysians just are not capable of operating."
Don't you know "opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one and most of them stink."
We're going to have to send his posts to the conspiracy forum...
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 17, 2014, 08:55:29 PM
And he proved it by sourcing Twitter...
Twitter? Well that settles it then, he must be right, Twitter is ranked up there with a reliability factor nearing that of WIKI. :lol:
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2014, 09:12:37 PM
Twitter? Well that settles it then, he must be right, Twitter is ranked up there with a reliability factor nearing that of WIKI. :lol:
I'm waiting for him to post a letter from his mom...
Quote from: kalash on July 17, 2014, 08:41:22 PM
Another opinion:
"The reporting on this incident has been ridiculous. There is ZERO evidence that this plane was shot down.
There is, however, evidence that the Boeing 777 has suffered a myriad of problems, including an FFA report warning this spring that without proper maintenance it could break up in flight. (Which appear to be what happened)
It concerns me that our usually careful journalists can only see this through the lens of the crisis in Ukraine. The NY Times, CNN, BBC reporters need to take a deep breath, and just report the facts.
The facts point to a flawed plane, which requires enormous and careful maintenance, which, having lost two of these behemoths of the sky, the Malaysians just are not capable of operating."
The plane could break up in flight? Source that please.
Quote from: taxed on July 18, 2014, 02:35:28 AM
The plane could break up in flight? Source that please.
He'd get more cred if he just accepted the truth,
then tried to work Russian-patriotism into an apologetic
our weekend-warriors committed a tactical blunder explanation.
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-07-17/flight-mh17-and-the-role-of-ukraine-s-rebels (http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-07-17/flight-mh17-and-the-role-of-ukraine-s-rebels)
Quote from: kit saginaw on July 18, 2014, 05:40:04 AM
He'd get more cred if he just accepted the truth, then tried to work Russian-patriotism into an apologetic our weekend-warriors committed a tactical blunder explanation.
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-07-17/flight-mh17-and-the-role-of-ukraine-s-rebels (http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-07-17/flight-mh17-and-the-role-of-ukraine-s-rebels)
I bet Obama would love to embrace the plane had a mechanical failure and broke up on its own. The Limbaugh Theorem.
wow, CPF's very own govt-propaganda-troll ? Is this a first ? Must be doing something right if another country wants to poke around and sling bullshit at the site.
Kudos.
It would be a great conspiracy tale if we could establish that this IS the lost flight. Just reappeared in time to cross paths with a missile that was headed for somebody else. Cue Rod Serling.....
All attention to Boing... While in the same area junta's shelling and bombardment continues, civilians die, about 2000 of them already, but nobody cares, I guess they are not malaisyans...
http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1679778.html (http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1679778.html)
Quote from: kalash on July 18, 2014, 04:02:07 PM
All attention to Boing... While in the same area junta's shelling and bombardment continues, civilians die, about 2000 of them already, but nobody cares, I guess they are not malaisyans...
http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1679778.html (http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1679778.html)
So you want to avoid the topic now that we know it was Russians that shot it down.
You're disgusting!
Quote from: kalash on July 18, 2014, 04:02:07 PM
All attention to Boing... While in the same area junta's shelling and bombardment continues, civilians die, about 2000 of them already, but nobody cares, I guess they are not malaisyans...
http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1679778.html (http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1679778.html)
Boeing? The company you said builds planes that fall apart in the sky, yet won't provide a source?
I just had a thought on both Malaysian flights, they both had questions about their flight path. Interesting.
Quote from: taxed on July 17, 2014, 03:01:02 PM
I'm waiting for them to blame the tea party.
QuoteJosh Marshall, publisher of Talking Points Memo, suggested this morning that the separatist "warlord" who may be responsible for shooting down a Malaysian airliner and killing nearly 300 people is, somehow, just like the Tea Party. After a quote noting that the "warlord" in question used to take part in Russian military reenactment battles, Marshall writes:
So that's who you're dealing with: some mix of civil war reenactor or Tea Partier decked out in revolutionary garb, with a mix of reckless aggression and comical incompetence. Here we have them break into nursing homes to photographs senator's comatose wives; there Putin gives them heavy armaments designed for full scale land war in Europe.
Just to spell this out a bit, Marshall is connecting the mass murder of civilians by a "warlord" to the Tea Party via the (admittedly reprehensible) behavior of a single blogger who snuck into a nursing home and took photos of a Senator's ill wife.
This is the kind of juvenile writing (and thinking) that leads 14-year-olds to announce something is "just like" the holocaust. Inevitably that something, whatever it is, is not just like the holocaust and the comparison itself is offensive. Casually connecting the Tea Party to the mass killing of hundreds of people half a world away is unhinged. It tells us more about Marshall than it does about the Tea Party.
http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/07/18/Josh-Marshall-Connects-Malaysian-Air-Shoot-Down-to-Tea-Party (http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/07/18/Josh-Marshall-Connects-Malaysian-Air-Shoot-Down-to-Tea-Party)
Quote from: quiller on July 18, 2014, 11:02:43 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/07/18/Josh-Marshall-Connects-Malaysian-Air-Shoot-Down-to-Tea-Party (http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/07/18/Josh-Marshall-Connects-Malaysian-Air-Shoot-Down-to-Tea-Party)
It only took them one day. Not too shabby.
Quote from: taxed on July 19, 2014, 12:31:21 AM
It only took them one day. Not too shabby.
Semi-completely O/T: saw your remark in the
Walking Dead thread about them not jumping the shark, and agree in principle with that idea but deplore its prominence in that series and several others including but not limited to Dexter. I didn't want to intrude in that thread because I've never seen as much as a promo for that series and (like Dexter) have no intention of buying a series on DVD for a principle (see Solar's comments in that thread).
I mention it here because the limits of psychopathy are best found in daily news reports about islamic atrocities toward other people, and their convert-or-die mentality. And THAT part of your "Walking Dead" discussion does tie in, here. We are not dealing with a rational enemy. We can not apply our moral values to animals willing to destroy simply because they can.
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Quote from: taxed on July 19, 2014, 12:31:21 AM
It only took them one day. Not too shabby.
Semi-completely ON-topic....
Marshall has traditionally enjoyed being a first-tier source for all the other cut-and-paste clowns posing as serious journalists (or their cousins, the rewrite troops). Ezra Klein's infamous JournoList still survives, underground, and still depends on Marshall's decrees on where Donks ought to go to spread their giddy message. But now Marshall sees what the senior Donks have seen all along: the Democrats are going to lose big in 2014 and all they have left is the Bogeyman to defend against when they summon their zombie army.
Cheese Louise, is it THAT obvious the Donks have
nada to offer in 2016?
Vote Hillary: Get Bubba at half-price (except for the overseas speeches).
Vote Warren. Fauxcahontis Wants Your Scalp!
Vote Biden. Think Gerald Ford and the Nixon pardons!
Quote from: quiller on July 19, 2014, 12:43:20 AM
Semi-completely O/T: saw your remark in the Walking Dead Breaking Bad thread about them not jumping the shark, and agree in principle with that idea but deplore its prominence in that series and several others including but not limited to Dexter. I didn't want to intrude in that thread because I've never seen as much as a promo for that series and (like Dexter) have no intention of buying a series on DVD for a principle (see Solar's comments in that thread).
I mention it here because the limits of psychopathy are best found in daily news reports about islamic atrocities toward other people, and their convert-or-die mentality. And THAT part of your "Walking Dead" discussion does tie in, here. We are not dealing with a rational enemy. We can not apply our moral values to animals willing to destroy simply because they can.
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My error.
Quote from: Solar on July 18, 2014, 06:15:53 PM
now that we know it was Russians that shot it down.
You're disgusting!
Really? You know it from where? From this sources ?: http://avmalgin.livejournal.com/4727578.html (http://avmalgin.livejournal.com/4727578.html)
In this case you are gullible simpleton.
If ask the question 'Who may profit from this disaster and propaganda campaign that follows?" Answer would be: "Junta in Kiev and their puppet masters in Washington."
Quote from: kalash on July 19, 2014, 06:04:11 AM
Really? You know it from where? From this sources ?: http://avmalgin.livejournal.com/4727578.html (http://avmalgin.livejournal.com/4727578.html)
In this case you are gullible simpleton.
If ask the question 'Who may profit from this disaster and propaganda campaign that follows?" Answer would be: "Junta in Kiev and their puppet masters in Washington."
How's that link to Boeing's poor engineering where planes fall apart in air coming?
Quote from: kalash on July 19, 2014, 06:04:11 AM
Really? You know it from where? From this sources ?: http://avmalgin.livejournal.com/4727578.html (http://avmalgin.livejournal.com/4727578.html)
In this case you are gullible simpleton.
If ask the question 'Who may profit from this disaster and propaganda campaign that follows?" Answer would be: "Junta in Kiev and their puppet masters in Washington."
Russian Separatists, with Russian armaments.
Do your own search, it's all over the web, and it's not just the US that knows it, but it's only Russia that denies it.
Was it an accident? Probably, but one that needs resolved, rather than buried.
Hey, Vlad. #
Bring
Back
Our
Bodies
Quote from: kalash on July 19, 2014, 06:04:11 AM
Really? You know it from where? From this sources ?: http://avmalgin.livejournal.com/4727578.html (http://avmalgin.livejournal.com/4727578.html)
In this case you are gullible simpleton.
If ask the question 'Who may profit from this disaster and propaganda campaign that follows?" Answer would be: "Junta in Kiev and their puppet masters in Washington."
Kalash, we're trying to live in a peaceful society. You guys, and the people you support, make it difficult for us when you're shooting airliners out of the sky. Quit acting like a bunch of muzzies and learn to be civil.
Sanctions and Airliners
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/07/17/sanctions-airliners-paul-craig-roberts/ (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/07/17/sanctions-airliners-paul-craig-roberts/)
know what the conclusion will be.
The probability is high that we are going to have more fabricated evidence, such as the fabricated evidence presented by US Secretary of State Colin Powell to the UN "proving" the existence of the non-existent Iraqi "weapons of mass destruction." Washington has succeeded with so many lies, deceptions and crimes that it believes that it can always succeed again.
At this time as I write, we have no reliable information about the airliner, but the Roman question always pertains: "Who benefits?" There is no conceivable motive for separatists to shoot down an airliner, but Washington did have a motive–to frame-up Russia–and possibly a second motive. Among the reports or rumors there is one that says Putin's presidential plane flew a similar route to that of the Malaysian airliner within 37 minutes of one another. This report has led to speculation that Washington decided to rid itself of Putin and mistook the Malaysian airliner for Putin's jet. RT reports that the two airplanes are similar in appearance. http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/ (http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/)
Quote from: kalash on July 21, 2014, 08:40:21 AM
Sanctions and Airliners
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/07/17/sanctions-airliners-paul-craig-roberts/ (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/07/17/sanctions-airliners-paul-craig-roberts/)
know what the conclusion will be.
Thanks for the Paul Craig Roberts update. It's been too long.
Quote
The probability is high that we are going to have more fabricated evidence, such as the fabricated evidence presented by US Secretary of State Colin Powell to the UN "proving" the existence of the non-existent Iraqi "weapons of mass destruction." Washington has succeeded with so many lies, deceptions and crimes that it believes that it can always succeed again.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-19/did-saddam-have-wmds-after-all-isis-overruns-iraq-chemical-weapons-mega-facility (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-19/did-saddam-have-wmds-after-all-isis-overruns-iraq-chemical-weapons-mega-facility)
Quote
At this time as I write, we have no reliable information about the airliner, but the Roman question always pertains: "Who benefits?" There is no conceivable motive for separatists to shoot down an airliner, but Washington did have a motive–to frame-up Russia–and possibly a second motive. Among the reports or rumors there is one that says Putin's presidential plane flew a similar route to that of the Malaysian airliner within 37 minutes of one another. This report has led to speculation that Washington decided to rid itself of Putin and mistook the Malaysian airliner for Putin's jet. RT reports that the two airplanes are similar in appearance. http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/ (http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/)
By the way, can you Russians stop looting the crash site? I know you guys hit the lottery, but let's give the victims some peace, shall we?
Quote from: kalash on July 21, 2014, 08:40:21 AM
Sanctions and Airliners
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/07/17/sanctions-airliners-paul-craig-roberts/ (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/07/17/sanctions-airliners-paul-craig-roberts/)
know what the conclusion will be.
The probability is high that we are going to have more fabricated evidence, such as the fabricated evidence presented by US Secretary of State Colin Powell to the UN "proving" the existence of the non-existent Iraqi "weapons of mass destruction." Washington has succeeded with so many lies, deceptions and crimes that it believes that it can always succeed again.
At this time as I write, we have no reliable information about the airliner, but the Roman question always pertains: "Who benefits?" There is no conceivable motive for separatists to shoot down an airliner, but Washington did have a motive–to frame-up Russia–and possibly a second motive. Among the reports or rumors there is one that says Putin's presidential plane flew a similar route to that of the Malaysian airliner within 37 minutes of one another. This report has led to speculation that Washington decided to rid itself of Putin and mistook the Malaysian airliner for Putin's jet. RT reports that the two airplanes are similar in appearance. http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/ (http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/)
So lets see. We have Russian separatists with Russian missiles and a plane goes down right over them, and you think the outcome, backed by evidence is fabricated?
You're dumber than a box of rocks. Can you say "Useful Idiot"?
Quote from: kalash on July 21, 2014, 08:40:21 AM
Sanctions and Airliners
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/07/17/sanctions-airliners-paul-craig-roberts/ (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/07/17/sanctions-airliners-paul-craig-roberts/)
know what the conclusion will be.
The probability is high that we are going to have more fabricated evidence, such as the fabricated evidence presented by US Secretary of State Colin Powell to the UN "proving" the existence of the non-existent Iraqi "weapons of mass destruction." Washington has succeeded with so many lies, deceptions and crimes that it believes that it can always succeed again.
At this time as I write, we have no reliable information about the airliner, but the Roman question always pertains: "Who benefits?" There is no conceivable motive for separatists to shoot down an airliner, but Washington did have a motive–to frame-up Russia–and possibly a second motive. Among the reports or rumors there is one that says Putin's presidential plane flew a similar route to that of the Malaysian airliner within 37 minutes of one another. This report has led to speculation that Washington decided to rid itself of Putin and mistook the Malaysian airliner for Putin's jet. RT reports that the two airplanes are similar in appearance. http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/ (http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/)
We didn't hear any explanations and read opinion-blogs when an actual Ukranian cargo-plane was shot-down the previous Monday.
Just admit 'you' committed a military-blunder. The rest of the armed World admits to things they're sorry for. Then you'll avoid responding to people like me who'll continue hammering your Khrushchev-era rhetoric.
Quote from: Solar on July 21, 2014, 08:51:41 AM
So lets see. We have Russian separatists with Russian missiles and a plane goes down right over them, and you think the outcome, backed by evidence is fabricated?
You're dumber than a box of rocks. Can you say "Useful Idiot"?
He thinks Boeing engineers planes that break up in flight.
This is a special troll.
Quote from: taxed on July 21, 2014, 08:59:21 AM
He thinks Boeing engineers planes that break up in flight.
This is a special troll.
Yes, a special kind of "tool".
Hey kalash, could you please ask your cousins to stop pulling fillings out of teeth, rings off fingers, and designer underwear off dead asses ?
I mean really, stop acting like dogs eating their dead already.
Quote from: taxed on July 19, 2014, 08:18:06 PM
Kalash, we're trying to live in a peaceful society. You guys, and the people you support, make it difficult for us when you're shooting airliners out of the sky. Quit acting like a bunch of muzzies and learn to be civil.
http://www.image.kg/images/2014/07/23/QyDUn.jpg (http://www.image.kg/images/2014/07/23/QyDUn.jpg)
Quote from: kalash on July 23, 2014, 10:52:02 PM
http://www.image.kg/images/2014/07/23/QyDUn.jpg (http://www.image.kg/images/2014/07/23/QyDUn.jpg)
Please learn to use the insert image. (https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/Themes/default/images/bbc/img.gif)
Quote from: kalash on July 23, 2014, 10:52:02 PM
http://www.image.kg/images/2014/07/23/QyDUn.jpg (http://www.image.kg/images/2014/07/23/QyDUn.jpg)
Hey Kalash, today marks a week you guys have gone without shooting down an airliner! Good job. Let's see if you can make it 2 weeks. Baby steps.
Quote from: kalash on July 23, 2014, 10:52:02 PM
http://www.image.kg/images/2014/07/23/QyDUn.jpg (http://www.image.kg/images/2014/07/23/QyDUn.jpg)
They then proceeded to instruct the mobile phone companies to shut down the accounts.
The report said that a picture of a rebel taking a ring from a body at the disaster site has also surfaced.
"After terrorists looters stole all the cash, jewellery, mobile phones and credit cards of passengers of ill-fated Boeing – they took up their favourite deal – gathering of scrap metal. Aluminium from which the plane is made is expensive," Ukrainian government adviser Anton Gerashchenko was quoted as saying.
Ukraine's National Security and Defence Council spokesman Andrei Lysenko, was also reported as saying previously that there were no limits to the "cynicism of these gangsters".
"According to our information, apart from picking up valuable personal belongings of the passengers, terrorists are using credit cards of the victims," he said.
http://news.malaysia.msn.com/tmi/mh17-victim%E2%80%99s-credit-cards-used-after-crash-says-report (http://news.malaysia.msn.com/tmi/mh17-victim%E2%80%99s-credit-cards-used-after-crash-says-report)
Quote from: taxed on July 19, 2014, 08:18:06 PM
Kalash, we're trying to live in a peaceful society. You guys, and the people you support, make it difficult for us when you're shooting airliners out of the sky.
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Evidence Is Now Conclusive: Two Ukrainian Government Fighter-Jets Shot Down Malaysian Airlines MH17. It was Not a 'Buk' Surface to Air Missile
http://globalresearch.ca/evidence-is-now-conclusive-two-ukrainian-government-fighter-jets-shot-down-malaysian-airlines-mh17-it-was-not-a-buk-surface-to-air-missile/5394814
(http://globalresearch.ca/evidence-is-now-conclusive-two-ukrainian-government-fighter-jets-shot-down-malaysian-airlines-mh17-it-was-not-a-buk-surface-to-air-missile/5394814)
Quote from: kalash on August 28, 2014, 07:48:01 AM
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Evidence Is Now Conclusive: Two Ukrainian Government Fighter-Jets Shot Down Malaysian Airlines MH17. It was Not a 'Buk' Surface to Air Missile
http://globalresearch.ca/evidence-is-now-conclusive-two-ukrainian-government-fighter-jets-shot-down-malaysian-airlines-mh17-it-was-not-a-buk-surface-to-air-missile/5394814
(http://globalresearch.ca/evidence-is-now-conclusive-two-ukrainian-government-fighter-jets-shot-down-malaysian-airlines-mh17-it-was-not-a-buk-surface-to-air-missile/5394814)
That''s your evidence, an opinion piece? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Solar on August 28, 2014, 08:17:19 AM
That''s your evidence, an opinion piece? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
And he posts his "evidence" on the day Russia further invades Ukraine. Oops. What a dolt.
Quote from: kalash on August 28, 2014, 07:48:01 AM
Quote from: taxed on July 19, 2014, 08:18:06 PM
Kalash, we're trying to live in a peaceful society. You guys, and the people you support, make it difficult for us when you're shooting airliners out of the sky.
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Evidence Is Now Conclusive: Two Ukrainian Government Fighter-Jets Shot Down Malaysian Airlines MH17. It was Not a 'Buk' Surface to Air Missile
http://globalresearch.ca/evidence-is-now-conclusive-two-ukrainian-government-fighter-jets-shot-down-malaysian-airlines-mh17-it-was-not-a-buk-surface-to-air-missile/5394814
(http://globalresearch.ca/evidence-is-now-conclusive-two-ukrainian-government-fighter-jets-shot-down-malaysian-airlines-mh17-it-was-not-a-buk-surface-to-air-missile/5394814)
Why would Ukraine shoot down an airliner?
Quote from: Dr. Meh on August 28, 2014, 09:22:47 AM
And he posts his "evidence" on the day Russia further invades Ukraine. Oops. What a dolt.
:lol:
DOH!!!
Next week he'll have another scathing opinion piece proving Ukraine forced Russia to invade Ukraine. :lol:
Quote from: Solar on August 28, 2014, 12:42:04 PM
:lol:
DOH!!!
Next week he'll have another scathing opinion piece proving Ukraine forced Russia to invade Ukraine. :lol:
No, it will be evidence that Ukraine invaded Russia and the images we see are photoshopped to switch the uniforms. Those tricky Ukranians are always picking on poor innocent Russia.
" ...Connectivity is lost, so do not worry. I love you. "
I read his text later that morning. I answered: " I love you very much. Hold on. " My text was never answered because he was already dead.
Ukrainian Journalist, Tetyana Chornovol, who was beaten by Russian soldiers and left for dead last December, writing about her bf, Nikolai Berezovoi, who was killed by Russian solders a couple days ago in Ilovatsk.
May Ukraine be Putin's graveyard as well.
I like waffles...
Quote from: Dr. Meh on August 28, 2014, 09:22:47 AM
And he posts his "evidence" on the day Russia further invades Ukraine. Oops. What a dolt.
Russia invades Ukraine? Again? For the twenties time in last 5 months....... You will believe anything, do you? Get yourself some see view property in Kansas.
Quote from: Solar on August 28, 2014, 08:17:19 AM
That''s your evidence, an opinion piece? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Dead silence on the subject of the plane crash would be evidence enough, to understand, that Russia has nothing to do with it, especially when remember the first hours after crash, when "independent world media" start blaming Russia and Putin personally, like rabid dogs. So, don't expect to see mach more news about this crash, as long as these "fashist sons of the bitches in Kiev, will be yours sons of bitches".
Quote from: kalash on August 29, 2014, 10:07:52 AM
Dead silence on the subject of the plane crash would be evidence enough, to understand, that Russia has nothing to do with it, especially when remember the first hours after crash, when "independent world media" start blaming Russia and Putin personally, like rabid dogs. So, don't expect to see mach more news about this crash, as long as these "fashist sons of the bitches in Kiev, will be yours sons of bitches".
Still waiting for evidence to the contrary.
Quote from: kalash on August 29, 2014, 09:45:50 AM
Russia invades Ukraine? Again? For the twenties time in last 5 months....... You will believe anything, do you? Get yourself some see view property in Kansas.
Satellite images, photographic evidence, eyewitness reports, and Putin acknowledging it isn't enough evidence for you? Open your eyes and get off Putin's nuts. Russia is an aggresive douche of a nation and is only getting away with what they're doing because Obummer is so weak. Only an imbecile would try to defend them.
Quote from: Dr. Meh on August 29, 2014, 09:06:29 PM
Satellite images, photographic evidence, eyewitness reports, and Putin acknowledging it isn't enough evidence for you?
What are you talking about? What images, show me all this you mention. There is nothing.
Junta is being beaten now in Donbass, by civilians and volunteers from Russia (there are also volunteers from other countries, France, Spain, even from US and other countries), ashamed to confirm that, fashist junta inventing another "russian invasion".
People, you are so far from understanding , what is going on in Ukraine, it's scary...
Quote from: kalash on August 30, 2014, 05:31:40 AM
What are you talking about? What images, show me all this you mention. There is nothing.
Junta is being beaten now in Donbass, by civilians and volunteers from Russia (there are also volunteers from other countries, France, Spain, even from US and other countries), ashamed to confirm that, fashist junta inventing another "russian invasion".
People, you are so far from understanding , what is going on in Ukraine, it's scary...
Google is your friend.
Quote from: Dr. Meh on August 30, 2014, 09:23:25 AM
Google is your friend.
Yeah, right... Looks like whole US foreign intelligence information coming now from Google...
By the way, found by my friend Google:
http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/25981/53/ (http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/25981/53/)
Dutch Intellectuals Apologize to Putin for Lies on MH17, Syria, Ukraine...
Another source from Google:
http://www.nst.com.my/node/20961?d=1 (http://www.nst.com.my/node/20961?d=1)
MH17: Pockmarks look like from very, very heavy machine gun fire, says first OSCE monitor on-scene
Quote from: kalash on August 31, 2014, 02:08:10 AM
Yeah, right... Looks like whole US foreign intelligence information coming now from Google...
By the way, found by my friend Google:
http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/25981/53/ (http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/25981/53/)
Dutch Intellectuals Apologize to Putin for Lies on MH17, Syria, Ukraine...
Another source from Google:
http://www.nst.com.my/node/20961?d=1 (http://www.nst.com.my/node/20961?d=1)
MH17: Pockmarks look like from very, very heavy machine gun fire, says first OSCE monitor on-scene
I know you're brainwashed but it takes a certain level of stupid to not know the difference between credible sources and opinion pieces, conspiracy sites, or just flat-out unreliable sites. You have reached that level of stupid and beyond. It'd be wise to stop posting so as to stop demonstrating your stupidity. But you won't stop. Because you're so stupid, you don't even realize how stupid you are. A common problem amongst the dumbest people in the world.
Quote from: Dr. Meh on August 31, 2014, 08:21:29 AM
Because you're so stupid, you don't even realize how stupid you are. A common problem amongst the dumbest people in the world.
Problem with "intelligent" people like you is that you know to much stuff, that isn't true. Obama in Estonia now spreading news about russian troops in Ukraine. American president couldn't lie, and so american media. Aren't they?
Oh, you poor, poor knowitall bombastic simpleton....
Which group was shooting down aircraft? (Pro-Russian supporters)
Which group claimed to have shot down an aircraft that day? (Pro-Russian supporters)
Which group continues to shoot down aircraft? (Pro-Russian supporters)
Which group doesn't fly planes over the area? (Pro-Russian supporters)
Which group prevented responders from getting to the crash site? (Pro-Russian supporters)
When you step back and look at the entire thing, the evidence points to pro-Russian supporters, who may have had help from Russia. The Ukraine doing the shooting is highly unlikely.
Quote from: kalash on September 03, 2014, 08:40:23 AM
Problem with "intelligent" people like you is that you know to much stuff, that isn't true. Obama in Estonia now spreading news about russian troops in Ukraine. American president couldn't lie, and so american media. Aren't they?
Oh, you poor, poor knowitall bombastic simpleton....
Just to be clear, you're actually saying that Russia is a victim and Ukraine, Obama, the U.S., and every non-Russian reputable media outlet in the world are all working together because they want to go to war with Russia? Really? THAT'S what makes more sense to you than Russia and Putin being assholes? If disagreeing with that makes me a simpleton in your mind, I take it as a compliment.
Do we have to take a side?
The EU is a bunch of socialists powerhungry scum
The Pro-Russian/Seperatists are a bunch of socialist powerhungry scum
Both can go f*ck themselves, I only feel sorry and pray for the Ukrainian civilians, they are the only victims in this conflict.
Quote from: Dr. Meh on August 29, 2014, 09:06:29 PM
Satellite images, photographic evidence, eyewitness reports, and Putin acknowledging it isn't enough evidence for you? Open your eyes and get off Putin's nuts. Russia is an aggresive douche of a nation and is only getting away with what they're doing because Obummer is so weak. Only an imbecile would try to defend them.
Top Ten Ways You Can Tell if Russia Has Invaded Ukraine
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/september/01/top-ten-ways-you-can-tell-if-russia-has-invaded-ukraine.aspx (http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/september/01/top-ten-ways-you-can-tell-if-russia-has-invaded-ukraine.aspx)
Quote from: kalash on September 06, 2014, 07:21:52 AM
Top Ten Ways You Can Tell if Russia Has Invaded Ukraine
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/september/01/top-ten-ways-you-can-tell-if-russia-has-invaded-ukraine.aspx (http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/september/01/top-ten-ways-you-can-tell-if-russia-has-invaded-ukraine.aspx)
Oh, so this non-invasion where Russia seized 51 ships never happened?
Quote from: Solar on September 06, 2014, 08:26:43 AM
Russia seized 51 ships never happened?
By the way, do you know how much Ukraine owes to Russia for gas already? 5 billion $.... And look for the ships you talking about on Internet. I saw better ships in better condition in "Deliverance" movie area.
Quote from: kalash on September 07, 2014, 08:12:04 AM
By the way, do you know how much Ukraine owes to Russia for gas already? 5 billion $.... And look for the ships you talking about on Internet. I saw better ships in better condition in "Deliverance" movie area.
Of course they're junk, they were built by the USSR.
Quote from: Dr. Meh on September 03, 2014, 07:00:30 PM
Just to be clear, you're actually saying that Russia is a victim and Ukraine, Obama, the U.S., and every non-Russian reputable media outlet in the world are all working together because they want to go to war with Russia? Really? THAT'S what makes more sense to you than Russia and Putin being assholes? If disagreeing with that makes me a simpleton in your mind, I take it as a compliment.
Still waiting, kalash.
Quote from: Mountainshield on September 04, 2014, 05:41:57 AM
Do we have to take a side?
The EU is a bunch of socialists powerhungry scum
The Pro-Russian/Seperatists are a bunch of socialist powerhungry scum
Both can go f*ck themselves, I only feel sorry and pray for the Ukrainian civilians, they are the only victims in this conflict.
I hope the women are OK. They are the hottest on the planet, in my opinion.
Quote from: taxed on September 08, 2014, 08:50:58 AM
I hope the women are OK. They are the hottest on the planet, in my opinion.
From many of the interviews I have seen with the volunteer battalions they seem to the right kind of people, they do not submit to Brussels, Kiev or Moscow, they only care about protecting their families, culture and nation. It's a breath of fresh air, ironically it is just this upstanding responsibility which will earn them the scorn of the Media and Politicians in Europe. But to the rest they are setting the example and showing that it can be done.