Legal Definition of Murder

[Solar]

Just playing devil's advocate here...

Were they constructed with the sole purpose of killing Jews en-masse? Or, were they more along the lines of the Japanese interment camps the U.S. had in WWII?

Yes, there were crematory ovens (I'm pretty sure our modern prisons have crematory ovens, but we aren't committing mass murder in the U.S. - or are we?) , and yes, prisoners died in mass numbers there, but then, also, Germany was loosing the war and it only makes sense that supplies to these camps would dwindle down to nothing and the prisoners would starve and die in large numbers by the time they were Liberated by the Allies!

If the unthinkable had happened and the U.S. had lost the war, I wonder what kind of condition the "liberating" German and Japanese forces would find in the U.S. interment camps...

They constructed gas chambers, so it falls under "planned execution enmasse", in other words, the paradigm of premeditated genocide.

[carlb]

First you need to understand the legal definition of murder: "Unlawful premeditated killing of a human being by a human being

This is what Solar said what the legal definition of murder.  In other words, murder is what the law says it is.  Different nations have different laws throughout different time periods.  By legal definition, the Nazis never committed murder of anyone and neither did Stalin and his communist regime since they defined what was legal.

The REAL definition of murder is... "the INTENTIONAL taking of an INNOCENT human life." Murder is not defined by the State, any more than the definition of "marriage" is defined by the State. This is what happens when a culture abandons God and looks to Man to define morality. Murder is murder regardless of what Man decides.

This is why the INTENTIONAL taking of the life of an unborn baby is murder, but the State sanctioned  killing of a murderer, rapist or traitor is not.

[cubedemon]

The REAL definition of murder is... "the INTENTIONAL taking of an INNOCENT human life." Murder is not defined by the State, any more than the definition of "marriage" is defined by the State. This is what happens when a culture abandons God and looks to Man to define morality. Murder is murder regardless of what Man decides.

This is why the INTENTIONAL taking of the life of an unborn baby is murder, but the State sanctioned  killing of a murderer, rapist or traitor is not.

This is an excellent and well thought out definition.  It is more specific and not as open to interpretation.  I like it.

So, murder and killing is not exactly the same thing.   All Murders are killings but not all killings are murders.  Justified killing meaning defending oneself from being murdered is a form of killing but not a form of murder.   Sort of like all Jelly Beans are Candies but not all candies are jelly beans.  Right?

In syllogistic form, All A are B but not All B are A meaning only some B are A.  Is this correct?

[quiller]

The other problem you have nowadays is Moral Men, who should be our collective consciousness are being, shouted down by tyrants in the making.

The idea that moral men were also religious men was common up through about the 1960s or so. For about fifty years now, very few preachers have lived up to their missions. Is the new morality just lying low and staying unnoticed?