California DROUGHT & Fires

[Hoofer]

Empty boat docks sit on dry land at the Browns Ravine Cove area of drought-stricken Folsom Lake, currently at 37% of its normal capacity, in Folsom, Calif., Saturday, May 22, 2021. (AP Photo/Josh Edelson)


Drought saps California reservoirs as hot, dry summer looms

OROVILLE, Calif. (AP) — Each year Lake Oroville helps water a quarter of the nation's crops, sustain endangered salmon beneath its massive earthen dam and anchor the tourism economy of a Northern California county that must rebuild seemingly every year after unrelenting wildfires.

But the mighty lake — a linchpin in a system of aqueducts and reservoirs in the arid U.S. West that makes California possible — is shrinking with surprising speed amid a severe drought, with state officials predicting it will reach a record low later this summer.


Dry banks rise above water in Lake Oroville on Sunday, May 23, 2021, in Oroville, Calif. At left are trees scorched in the 2020 North Complex Fire. At the time of this photo, the reservoir was at 39% of capacity and 46% of its historical average. (AP Photo/Noah Berger)

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How long ago was it, the Oroville Dam was overflowing and flooding?

[Solar]

There is no drought in Ca.

I know both of these revivors very well, and every summer the state would literally suck them dry to keep the Bay from stinking like a rotting swamp.
The Marxists use a non native fish (Smelt) as an excuse to flood the Bay with more than two thirds of Ca's fresh water.

Sure, it's dry this year, and it will only get drier over the next 5 to 7 years, then we'll experience another deluge of rain. (get ready to hear AGW every year till it rains again)
But we have plenty of water, the left just wants to protect their sensitive little nostrils by keeping a false ecosystem alive.

I say let the ocean return, the way it did for millennia, where the fresh water flow would slow and the ocean would fill the Bay.
The leftists have interfered with the laws of Nature by keeping saltwater out of the Bay.

I have written about this over the decades, and every time, the left claims it was caused by AGW, and that is one of the most ignorant lies ever stated.

There is no water problem, only a mismanagement problem, one created on purpose because they know people are stupid and never question authority.

[Hoofer]

From what you've said, living out there, for more than half a century, has there EVER been a "steady state in climate" - or does this stuff run in dry & wet cycles?  Like 5-6 years of RAIN & WET, followed by 5-6 years of drought?

We kinda get that in Virginia, if the hurricanes don't bring us a wet summer & fall, it's pretty darn DRY!

[Rick]

I am expecting a lot of rain, in Southern California, this year. Maybe a hurricane or two. I don't know if we will be be able to save any of it.

[Solar]

From what you've said, living out there, for more than half a century, has there EVER been a "steady state in climate" - or does this stuff run in dry & wet cycles?  Like 5-6 years of RAIN & WET, followed by 5-6 years of drought?

We kinda get that in Virginia, if the hurricanes don't bring us a wet summer & fall, it's pretty darn DRY!

Yep. Historically, when rounded out, we cycle every 15 years. But in the last 100 years it's been closer to 5, 7 or 10 year variations.
But it always starts with a deluge of rain, then each succeeding year, it gets drier, though on occasion we may be dry for a few years and get a light reprieve and get a semi normal rainy winter, but it always heads towards drought in the end.

And oddly enough we always had an abundance of water, because the reservoir system was more than sufficient, be it homes or agriculture, we had more than enough to waste and it was dirt cheap.

If my history is correct, 10.000 years ago we had a (300 plus year drought?) no rain, Tahoe dropped a few hundred feet, had an old growth forest now under water.
Another followed just 1000 years ago, nowhere near as long, but devastating none the less.

Damned Indians and their SUV'...

[Hoofer]

I am expecting a lot of rain, in Southern California, this year. Maybe a hurricane or two. I don't know if we will be be able to save any of it.

We're far enough WEST of the coast, the hurricanes that get us - outer bands of rain - usually come up through the Carolina's, hit the Appalachians, and dump on us.  We'll get a day or two of up to 60mph wind, and basement flooding rain for 3-4 days.  The Appalachians really mess with the weather, so unpredictable.

I didn't think California got hurricanes - huh.. I'll have to watch the weather map closer.
Is it a summer/fall thing like we get, or a different time of the year?

[Hoofer]

Yep. Historically, when rounded out, we cycle every 15 years. But in the last 100 years it's been closer to 5, 7 or 10 year variations.
But it always starts with a deluge of rain, then each succeeding year, it gets drier, though on occasion we may be dry for a few years and get a light reprieve and get a semi normal rainy winter, but it always heads towards drought in the end.

And oddly enough we always had an abundance of water, because the reservoir system was more than sufficient, be it homes or agriculture, we had more than enough to waste and it was dirt cheap.

If my history is correct, 10.000 years ago we had a (300 plus year drought?) no rain, Tahoe dropped a few hundred feet, had an old growth forest now under water.
Another followed just 1000 years ago, nowhere near as long, but devastating none the less.

Damned Indians and their SUV'...

Based on the stuff we hear on the weather channel (or forecasts), California is either:

Drought followed by FIRE
or Rain and mudslides.
with electrical brown outs, or rolling blackouts.

and politicians blaming it on Global Warming.

[dickfoster]

From what you've said, living out there, for more than half a century, has there EVER been a "steady state in climate" - or does this stuff run in dry & wet cycles?  Like 5-6 years of RAIN & WET, followed by 5-6 years of drought?

We kinda get that in Virginia, if the hurricanes don't bring us a wet summer & fall, it's pretty darn DRY!

It has been running about a 7 year cycle since I came here in 1975. It's always the same old bullshit story with each cycle too.

Also had our first power outage of the summer this morning too. That's another of their recurring bullshit stories. The truth is they simply can't find their ass with both hands and a flashlight in Californicated.

[Rick]

I didn't think California got hurricanes - huh.. I'll have to watch the weather map closer.
Is it a summer/fall thing like we get, or a different time of the year?

Been several over the years. The one I remember the best was Doreen in August 1977. I had deployed with my Guard unit on a fire mission in Monterey. Leaving my wife of two years and infant daughter. Fortunately They where able to stay at her parents.

[Solar]

Based on the stuff we hear on the weather channel (or forecasts), California is either:

Drought followed by FIRE
or Rain and mudslides.
with electrical brown outs, or rolling blackouts.

and politicians blaming it on Global Warming.

Yep, al backed by a Marxist takeover of media. I laugh at the videos this site produces, and it never fails, they always make the claim it is AGW causing it.
They're at the bottom.    

https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/95634:4:US

[Hoofer]

IT's just kinda funny to me, California has so much beauty, and the people complain 100x more than they ought to.
Songs have been written about the weather, girls, cars, mountains, all the stuff someone from Nebraska, Oklahoma or the Dakotas long for...     ...I guess they're content in Tornados, Hail Storms, and miles of corn fields.

Other than the pollen season (almost over), Southern Virginia or Western Carolinas, has the best of everything.
I'm in the Piedmont, 1hr to the Appalachians, and 4hrs to the Atlantic, with a gulf stream rich with fish, year round.  When it snows, we just wait, and a day or so later, it's all gone.  We've had power outages... hmmm... 2 this month (just enough to reset everything), but we're well prepared for extended outages, they're just that frequent.


I really, really am afraid of what would happen if we had an extended drought, and a wild fire.  There's so much stuff that could burn, forests and abandoned homes...  we keep the woods cut back from the house.

[Hoofer]

Yep, al backed by a Marxist takeover of media. I laugh at the videos this site produces, and it never fails, they always make the claim it is AGW causing it.
They're at the bottom.    

https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/95634:4:US

I take it, you LIVE in a heavily wooded area.  What do you do if / when the forest fires are headed your direction?
Smoke is one thing, filters?  And what if the woods is on fire, do you stay or bail?

[Hoofer]

It has been running about a 7 year cycle since I came here in 1975. It's always the same old bullshit story with each cycle too.

Also had our first power outage of the summer this morning too. That's another of their recurring bullshit stories. The truth is they simply can't find their ass with both hands and a flashlight in Californicated.

Dick, are you in the city, or suburbs or mountain woods like Solar?   How long was the power outage?  I assume you have a backup generator or something to handle the frequent outages?

[Hoofer]

I didn't think California got hurricanes - huh.. I'll have to watch the weather map closer.
Is it a summer/fall thing like we get, or a different time of the year?

Been several over the years. The one I remember the best was Doreen in August 1977. I had deployed with my Guard unit on a fire mission in Monterey. Leaving my wife of two years and infant daughter. Fortunately They where able to stay at her parents.

August is right in the middle of Hurricane season for us.  We start looking at NOAA, way out to Africa and track them.  Tornados give us no warning, Hurricanes... sigh, we get to fight with everyone, cleaning off the store shelves for food & hardware stores for duck tape & tarps.  This year they're predicting more than usual - we'll see... 

[dickfoster]

Dick, are you in the city, or suburbs or mountain woods like Solar?  How long was the power outage?  I assume you have a backup generator or something to handle the frequent outages?

I'm out in the sticks like Solar but not off tye grid. 5-6 miles east of Nevada City, CA.
I've got a backup generator that handles essential loads and another larger whole house unit on the way. Both Genrac units that run on propane. They're way way backordered at present.