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I know what you mean. This is near our house.
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Quote from: Grammy on July 18, 2021, 01:23:28 PMI know what you mean. This is near our house.
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Awesome!!!!
We had one as well, doubled as the school house, but it got caught in a fire.
Sadly, this era may never happen again. But I hope I'm wrong.
My sisters and I have a weekly Bible study(over the phone) and quite often we remanence about the small town church we grew up in. Toy
To some, God still matters. To others, not so much. The Bible tells us that He will rapture the church ("raptura" in greek) first and then He'll come back. The Bible also tells us that between the rapture and God's return, there will be a GREAT 7 year tribulation as was NEVER seen on the Earth. It will be a horrible time and many will suffer and die for their newly acquired faith in Christ. The faithful will be with God in Heaven and will not suffer as those who are on the Earth.
Quote from: RV on July 19, 2021, 08:49:50 AMTo some, God still matters. To others, not so much. The Bible tells us that He will rapture the church ("raptura" in greek) first and then He'll come back. The Bible also tells us that between the rapture and God's return, there will be a GREAT 7 year tribulation as was NEVER seen on the Earth. It will be a horrible time and many will suffer and die for their newly acquired faith in Christ. The faithful will be with God in Heaven and will not suffer as those who are on the Earth.
Christians since Christ rose have been thinking their times are the end times.
I still think its a LONG way into the future. I dont think we are anywhere close to the kind of suffering that will happen in the end times. Things have always been bad, and frankly they have been worse in the past.
I think revelations also says something about 1000 years of good times before the bad times start. I think that trump and America is the start of that 1000 year golden age.
In my view God is infinite and timeless. We mortals are incapable of fully comprehending God and his power. That is why Faith is so important and I believe that is God's desire from us.
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 19, 2021, 09:26:41 AMIn my view God is infinite and timeless. We mortals are incapable of fully comprehending God and his power. That is why Faith is so important and I believe that is God's desire from us.
Thats a good point. Prophecy in the bible isnt there for us to learn the future and change it. Its so that in the future we can look back at the prophecy and see that God was in control the whole time.
Not unlike Q with "Future proves past"
Quote from: T Hunt on July 19, 2021, 09:01:36 AMChristians since Christ rose have been thinking their times are the end times.
I still think its a LONG way into the future. I dont think we are anywhere close to the kind of suffering that will happen in the end times. Things have always been bad, and frankly they have been worse in the past.
I think revelations also says something about 1000 years of good times before the bad times start. I think that trump and America is the start of that 1000 year golden age.
The Bible clearly states that no man knows the day nor the hour so, it
may be a "LONG WAY" off, or it
may be in the next five minutes. I don't know, have never known and have never claimed to know.
Quote from: T Hunt on July 19, 2021, 09:01:36 AMChristians since Christ rose have been thinking their times are the end times.
I still think its a LONG way into the future. I dont think we are anywhere close to the kind of suffering that will happen in the end times. Things have always been bad, and frankly they have been worse in the past.
I think revelations also says something about 1000 years of good times before the bad times start. I think that trump and America is the start of that 1000 year golden age.
Christians, before Jesus was crucified, thought the end of times was near. That was the Jesus message - the end is near; You better repent and get in line with God.
Quote from: p1tchblack on July 20, 2021, 10:33:59 AMChristians, before Jesus was crucified, thought the end of times was near. That was the Jesus message - the end is near; You better repent and get in line with God.
Define the word "near". One person's concept of "near" is completely different from another person's. God's concept of "near" is not the same as a human being's. In the same way, "eternity", "eternal life", "salvation", etc., etc., etc. means different things to different people.
I've raised two children and it seems like just yesterday they were little and yet both are grown. It could be said that adulthood was "near" yet it didn't seem so then.
Quote from: p1tchblack on July 20, 2021, 10:33:59 AMChristians, before Jesus was crucified, thought the end of times was near. That was the Jesus message - the end is near; You better repent and get in line with God.
For everyone alive, the end is always near. Jesus was correct when he said to repent, this goes for every generation to follow, and those not yet born, we all die, so get Right with god.
Quote from: RV on July 20, 2021, 11:47:05 AMDefine the word "near". One person's concept of "near" is completely different from another person's. God's concept of "near" is not the same as a human being's. In the same way, "eternity", "eternal life", "salvation", etc., etc., etc. means different things to different people.
I've raised two children and it seems like just yesterday they were little and yet both are grown. It could be said that adulthood was "near" yet it didn't seem so then.
That's the $20,000 question. What Jesus said seemed to imply that the end was coming very soon.
Take Up Your Cross(Mark 8:34–38; Luke 9:23–27)
24 Then Jesus told His disciples, "If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me. 25 For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. 26 What will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul? 27 For the Son of Man will come in His Father's glory with His angels, and then He will repay each one according to what he has done.
28 Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."
Quote from: p1tchblack on July 20, 2021, 10:33:59 AMChristians, before Jesus was crucified, thought the end of times was near. That was the Jesus message - the end is near; You better repent and get in line with God.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Seriously, where do you get these jokes?
Quote from: p1tchblack on July 20, 2021, 01:39:25 PMThat's the $20,000 question. What Jesus said seemed to imply that the end was coming very soon.
Take Up Your Cross
(Mark 8:34–38; Luke 9:23–27)
24 Then Jesus told His disciples, "If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me. 25 For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. 26 What will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul? 27 For the Son of Man will come in His Father's glory with His angels, and then He will repay each one according to what he has done.
28 Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."
Ah so, in your opinion it makes no difference what Jesus actually said, what He actually meant nor what He was actually thinking, it only matters what you THINK it "implies" or means...
Quote from: RV on July 20, 2021, 02:34:14 PMAh so, in your opinion it makes no difference what Jesus actually said, what He actually meant nor what He was actually thinking, it only matters what you THINK it "implies" or means...
Well, we all make assumptions about what Jesus said, what he meant and if what is attributes to him was something he actually said.
Quote from: p1tchblack on July 20, 2021, 03:39:31 PMWell, we all make assumptions about what Jesus said, what he meant and if what is attributes to him was something he actually said.
No, not "all", just some.
Quote from: RV on July 20, 2021, 07:12:01 PMNo, not "all", just some.
There isn't a book written by Jesus, so everything Jesus "said" is based on what others said he said.
Quote from: p1tchblack on July 20, 2021, 01:39:25 PMThat's the $20,000 question. What Jesus said seemed to imply that the end was coming very soon.
Take Up Your Cross
(Mark 8:34–38; Luke 9:23–27)
24 Then Jesus told His disciples, "If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me. 25 For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. 26 What will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul? 27 For the Son of Man will come in His Father's glory with His angels, and then He will repay each one according to what he has done.
28 Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."
Goodness sakes, you are a child when it comes to the bible (as with most things)
1) 1000 years are like a day to God.
2)When he says 'the son of man coming in his kingdom' he is talking about the church. Look at how the church has grown and continued to grow and to almost take over the world by the modern day. It will continue to grow. Look at the prophecy of daniel. God church is the bolder in that which grows into a mountain.
Quote from: p1tchblack on July 20, 2021, 03:39:31 PMWell, we all make assumptions about what Jesus said, what he meant and if what is attributes to him was something he actually said.
No thats what libs do. Honest people make logical deductions.
Quote from: p1tchblack on July 20, 2021, 09:25:23 PMThere isn't a book written by Jesus, so everything Jesus "said" is based on what others said he said.
Yes there is. The entire Bible was written by God, ie Jesus, thru his prophets writing exactly what he wanted written down. Thats why the bible is 100% accurate.
Quote from: p1tchblack on July 20, 2021, 09:25:23 PMThere isn't a book written by Jesus, so everything Jesus "said" is based on what others said he said.
So, I guess you ignore or discredit certain parts of the Bible then. Things like "ye must be born again", "That where I Am ye will be with me also..." and "I am the way, truth and life, no man comes to the Father but, through me". You probably also ignore the passages which state that "ALL" scripture is "God breathed" then as well...
Quote from: T Hunt on July 21, 2021, 12:36:33 AMGoodness sakes, you are a child when it comes to the bible (as with most things)
1) 1000 years are like a day to God.
2)When he says 'the son of man coming in his kingdom' he is talking about the church. Look at how the church has grown and continued to grow and to almost take over the world by the modern day. It will continue to grow. Look at the prophecy of daniel. God church is the bolder in that which grows into a mountain.
"When he says 'the son of man coming in his kingdom' he is talking about the church."
That's one interpretation/explanation. The other one is that Jesus, apocalyptic believer that he was, believed that the end times were coming very soon - before, as he said, all of his disciples died. Jews didn't believe that you went to heaven when you died, so the "Kingdom of God" was literally a kingdom on earth and when God return, the earth would be returned to how it was before Adam ate the apple.
Quote from: p1tchblack on July 21, 2021, 07:52:12 AM"When he says 'the son of man coming in his kingdom' he is talking about the church."
That's one interpretation/explanation. The other one is that Jesus, apocalyptic believer that he was, believed that the end times were coming very soon - before, as he said, all of his disciples died. Jews didn't believe that you went to heaven when you died, so the "Kingdom of God" was literally a kingdom on earth and when God return, the earth would be returned to how it was before Adam ate the apple.
So, you managed to derail another thread. The topic is about God and the Church, period!
This is about how far man has drifted from his spiritual side, not religion!
Quote from: Solar on July 21, 2021, 09:24:36 AMSo, you managed to derail another thread. The topic is about God and the Church, period!
This is about how far man has drifted from his spiritual side, not religion!
Nope. RV and T Hunt moved the discussion to end times/rapture. I just followed up on their topic.
Quote from: p1tchblack on July 21, 2021, 11:16:37 AMNope. RV and T Hunt moved the discussion to end times/rapture. I just followed up on their topic.
I said absolutely nothing about "end times" whatsoever. YOU made the statement that God never wrote the Bible, I was merely refuting your ridiculous and unfounded claim.
Quote from: RV on July 21, 2021, 11:53:44 AMI said absolutely nothing about "end times" whatsoever. YOU made the statement that God never wrote the Bible, I was merely refuting your ridiculous and unfounded claim.
I was referencing the exchange between you and t hunt on page one. It was t hunts post that moved the discussion to end times. I just replied to what he brought up.
Quote from: p1tchblack on July 21, 2021, 11:16:37 AMNope. RV and T Hunt moved the discussion to end times/rapture. I just followed up on their topic.
NO Dumb Ass! It was you that inserted "Christians". This is about God and Church, the way it used to be.
I never said a thing about religion, this is a spiritual conversation about God!
Quote from: Solar on July 21, 2021, 03:49:40 PMNO Dumb Ass! It was you that inserted "Christians". This is about God and Church, the way it used to be.
I never said a thing about religion, this is a spiritual conversation about God!
Again, T Hunt brought the topic of end times into the conversation. I only responded to what was brought up.
Quote from: p1tchblack on July 21, 2021, 04:16:55 PMAgain, T Hunt brought the topic of end times into the conversation. I only responded to what was brought up.
So what? Like I said, this is about God and Church, and not any one particular religion.
You were the one who inserted Christianity, completely derailing the purpose of the thread!
I'm pretty sure you're agnostic at best, so I suggest you stay the fuck out of this forum and eave it to people of faith!
Quote from: p1tchblack on July 21, 2021, 07:52:12 AM"When he says 'the son of man coming in his kingdom' he is talking about the church."
That's one interpretation/explanation. The other one is that Jesus, apocalyptic believer that he was, believed that the end times were coming very soon - before, as he said, all of his disciples died. Jews didn't believe that you went to heaven when you died, so the "Kingdom of God" was literally a kingdom on earth and when God return, the earth would be returned to how it was before Adam ate the apple.
No thats been the consensus among believers. Your made up theory cannot be true because Jesus knows when the end times will be and we know they havent happened yet, so why would anyone think Jesus meant it would be back then?
And yes the jews did believe in heaven and hell, those arent new concepts.
Yes some jews let their own hearts interpret God's word and so thought his kingdom was an earthly one. But Jesus made clear that it was not, and christians have never thought as such.
Christs death and resurrection made all of us, in God's eyes, as we would have been in the garden, before Adam ate the apple.
Quote from: Solar on July 21, 2021, 04:45:12 PMSo what? Like I said, this is about God and Church, and not any one particular religion.
You were the one who inserted Christianity, completely derailing the purpose of the thread!
I'm pretty sure you're agnostic at best, so I suggest you stay the fuck out of this forum and eave it to people of faith!
I inserted Christianity? Where?
Quote from: p1tchblack on July 20, 2021, 03:39:31 PMWell, we all make assumptions about what Jesus said, what he meant and if what is attributes to him was something he actually said.
Really? "All" of us? Make "assumptions"? So, in your warped opinion, there isn't anyone who reads or studies scripture to find out what God said, they just "assume" what He said based upon their own understanding, bias and opinion? Gee, why do you bother to read scripture at all? After all you can just "assume" that you know what God said and what He meant?
"Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not unto your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct your path." Proverbs 3:5 - 6
Quote from: RV on July 22, 2021, 05:53:55 AMReally? "All" of us? Make "assumptions"? So, in your warped opinion, there isn't anyone who reads or studies scripture to find out what God said, they just "assume" what He said based upon their own understanding, bias and opinion? Gee, why do you bother to read scripture at all? After all you can just "assume" that you know what God said and what He meant?
"Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not unto your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct your path." Proverbs 3:5 - 6
The Bible has been a topic of interest of mine for awhile, but the "powers that be" have ready suspended me for taking a thread off topic, so......
Quote from: p1tchblack on July 21, 2021, 08:56:52 PMI inserted Christianity? Where?
Nope, it wasn't you, never mind, go back to playing games as usual.
Quote from: RV on July 20, 2021, 02:34:14 PMAh so, in your opinion it makes no difference what Jesus actually said, what He actually meant nor what He was actually thinking, it only matters what you THINK it "implies" or means...
I'm quoting Jesus words from the Bible and he seems to directly imply that the "Kingdom of God" (Jews didn't believe man went to heaven) was coming before some portion of his disciples died. That would seem to give us some idea of when The End would be coming.
Quote from: p1tchblack on August 23, 2021, 10:09:04 AMI'm quoting Jesus words from the Bible and he seems to directly imply that the "Kingdom of God" (Jews didn't believe man went to heaven) was coming before some portion of his disciples died. That would seem to give us some idea of when The End would be coming.
Interesting my bible study group was just talking about this. Since Jesus was with God at the beginning then Jesus is in "every word" of the Bible- not just the red letter ones.
Toy
Quote from: p1tchblack on August 23, 2021, 10:09:04 AMI'm quoting Jesus words from the Bible and he seems to directly imply that the "Kingdom of God" (Jews didn't believe man went to heaven) was coming before some portion of his disciples died. That would seem to give us some idea of when The End would be coming.
IN YOUR OPINION, IN YOUR VIEW AND FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE. I do not agree with you supposition, assumptions nor opinions.
Quote from: p1tchblack on August 23, 2021, 10:09:04 AMI'm quoting Jesus words from the Bible and he seems to directly imply that the "Kingdom of God" (Jews didn't believe man went to heaven) was coming before some portion of his disciples died. That would seem to give us some idea of when The End would be coming.
It only SEEMS that way to those who have a bias and are prejudiced against God. In reality it said no such thing.
What Jesus is talking about by his 'Kingdom' here is the church on earth. God church on earth has not stopped growing since it was created by Jesus, look at history. Now today it is the fastest growing religion on earth and will soon be the dominant one across the globe.
Quote from: Solars Toy on August 23, 2021, 10:21:00 AMInteresting my bible study group was just talking about this. Since Jesus was with God at the beginning then Jesus is in "every word" of the Bible- not just the red letter ones.
Toy
Right. The idea is that God is 3-in-1. The Holy Trinity. All 3 are 100% both separate and 100% together.
This is one of the things in the bible humans are incapable of imagining, along with God having no beginning, its just beyond our experience.