I support Israel 100% and believe they have every right to defend themselves. The lefty media continues to try to demonize Israel and play the victim card for the murdering Palestinians.
So, what can we do to help gain support for Israel and counter the leftist distortions?
Quote from: Dr. Meh on August 05, 2014, 09:56:11 AM
I support Israel 100% and believe they have every right to defend themselves. The lefty media continues to try to demonize Israel and play the victim card for the murdering Palestinians.
So, what can we do to help gain support for Israel and counter the leftist distortions?
I'm beginning to wonder how many times this exact same scenario has to play out before everybody catches on. (And by everybody, I mean our 'friends' in the MSM.)
The media is being played by Hamas and the Palestinian Authority -- period. Hamas sets up its rocket battery in a schoolyard, flings a raft of nasties into Israel -- knowing that the Israelis can instantly detect the location of the rocket battery -- and Israel retaliates by immolating the battery, resulting in the "cruel" death of schoolchildren. Hamas and the Palestinians bewail the cruelty of the evil Jews, and the MSM eat it up, and help Hamas sell its side of the story to the world. This same stupid movie was out a few years ago, and a few years before that, and a few years before that....
I have yet to figure why all the hatred for a country that has bent over backwards and forwards to get along, is so hated by the world?
I've known a lot of Joos in my lifetime, and not one has ever wronged me in any way.
Quote from: Solar on August 05, 2014, 10:42:25 AM
I have yet to figure why all the hatred for a country that has bent over backwards and forwards to get along, is so hated by the world?
I've known a lot of Joos in my lifetime, and not one has ever wronged me in any way.
They are the anti-progressive. Successful / rich, willing to kick your ass to protect them & theirs. RELIGIOUS. Got reparations
before the little brown people did. Liberal, but not prone to socialism or atheism.
What's not to hate about them, from a lib perspective ?
Quote from: AndyJackson on August 05, 2014, 10:51:03 AM
They are the anti-progressive. Successful / rich, willing to kick your ass to protect them & theirs. RELIGIOUS. Got reparations
before the little brown people did. Liberal, but not prone to socialism or atheism.
What's not to hate about them, from a lib perspective ?
Those evil bastards, how dare they bring the wrath of the jealous liberal! :glare: :lol:
Quote from: Solar on August 05, 2014, 10:42:25 AM
I have yet to figure why all the hatred for a country that has bent over backwards and forwards to get along, is so hated by the world?
I've known a lot of Joos in my lifetime, and not one has ever wronged me in any way.
I grew up in a neighborhood that was predominantly Jewish in Dayton, OH. Beth Jacob synagogue was almost directly across the street from our house. When I was 7 years old, a Jewish boy pushed me off a fence and I broke my arm. But I'm pretty sure a Gentile kid would have done the same thing. That neighborhood is now predominantly black and the synagogue is a different sort of church. I not only witnessed "white flight" back in the day... my family did it. Twice.
There was a crazy family of Jews next door to us, but they weren't crazy because they were Jewish and they weren't crazy in particularly Jewish ways. They were crazy because they were crazy. I went to school with hundreds of Jewish kids, and most of them were indistinguishable from everybody else. Most times, the only way I knew a classmate was Jewish was because he showed up at school wearing a yarmulke.
It is a tenet of Islam that infidels don't deserve to live. I'm not sure why, but Jews seem to stand out -- to Muslims -- as flagrant infidels. Israel's friendliest border is its seacoast; the Red Sea has no animosity toward Jews. On every other inch of its border, Israel is faced with Muslim governments that have literally sworn that Israel has no right to exist and must be destroyed.
Pound for pound, the Israeli military is probably the most effective fighting force in the world today. No wonder.
Quote from: TboneAgain on August 05, 2014, 11:03:29 AM
I grew up in a neighborhood that was predominantly Jewish in Dayton, OH. Beth Jacob synagogue was almost directly across the street from our house. When I was 7 years old, a Jewish boy pushed me off a fence and I broke my arm. But I'm pretty sure a Gentile kid would have done the same thing. That neighborhood is now predominantly black and the synagogue is a different sort of church. I not only witnessed "white flight" back in the day... my family did it. Twice.
There was a crazy family of Jews next door to us, but they weren't crazy because they were Jewish and they weren't crazy in particularly Jewish ways. They were crazy because they were crazy. I went to school with hundreds of Jewish kids, and most of them were indistinguishable from everybody else. Most times, the only way I knew a classmate was Jewish was because he showed up at school wearing a yarmulke.
It is a tenet of Islam that infidels don't deserve to live. I'm not sure why, but Jews seem to stand out -- to Muslims -- as flagrant infidels. Israel's friendliest border is its seacoast; the Red Sea has no animosity toward Jews. On every other inch of its border, Israel is faced with Muslim governments that have literally sworn that Israel has no right to exist and must be destroyed.
Pound for pound, the Israeli military is probably the most effective fighting force in the world today. No wonder.
My story pretty much parallels your's with the exception of flight, my family stayed, and suffered, the Synagogue around the corner is now home of God only knows what.
Personally, I wish Israel would take off the gloves and do exactly what it needs to do to guarantee it's survival. OBLITERATE those that wish them harm, take their land and never look back. (1967 should have been the end of it)
With this, a warning to anyone else that attempts to disrupt their peace, they'll get the same and worse.
Understand. Mohammed started his religion by stealing from the other religions - mostly Judaism. Thing is Mo couldn't read, so all he had was Jews explaining Judaism to him - and like a lot of other things he got it wrong. When Mohammed started preaching his "new" religion, he was attempting to preach to people who had the actual religion for generations. They laughed him out of town. If you read the early history of Islam, you'll read about their special hatred for the Jewish tribes of Arabia. That's one of the reasons that unlike Christianity and Judaism, Islam demands conversion by the sword and doesn't allow you to get out of their insane cult. Of all the people on Earth, Jews recognize that Islam is full of crap, a bad version of the religion they've had for millenia. And unlike every other religion the "Golden Rule" of Islam is: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" - if they are fellow Moslems, with anybody else, all bets are off. Islam is strictly tribal. Especially the Arabs.
Regardless of what the MSM tries to depict or how they try to spin things, Israel has a right to defend herself as does any country. I thought that Obama jsut signed a bill to give Israel $225,000,000 to replenish missile defense Iron Dome.
Long live Israel!
Quote from: mdgiles on August 05, 2014, 12:06:44 PM
Understand. Mohammed started his religion by stealing from the other religions - mostly Judaism...
So did Jesus, but you don't see Christians going around killing Jews en mass - well, at least, not any more.
It think there is much more than religion involved here. Look at the Arab nations that surround Israel. They are all either dictatorships or 12th century monarchies - they are, in short all authoritarian regimes which emphasis the power of the state at the expense of the rights of the individual.
This is what so-called liberals like and what they want; as long as
they are the "authority".
If a liberal tells you he wants "democracy" he's lying; he wants to control the populace so he stays in power.
-Darth
One thing is to report the truth about groups like hamas. There is a nice video by an Indian journalist, Jain who watched what was probably a hamas group set up a rocket launcher in a populated area.
http://www.conservativeme.com/?p=318 (http://www.conservativeme.com/?p=318)
The normal media won't report on such things.
Quote from: Solar on August 05, 2014, 10:42:25 AM
I have yet to figure why all the hatred for a country that has bent over backwards and forwards to get along, is so hated by the world?
I've known a lot of Joos in my lifetime, and not one has ever wronged me in any way.
We can't make sense out of nonsense. This is what it is with the hatred of Jews.
Quote from: Darth Fife on August 05, 2014, 12:29:14 PM
So did Jesus, but you don't see Christians going around killing Jews en mass - well, at least, not any more.
It think there is much more than religion involved here. Look at the Arab nations that surround Israel. They are all either dictatorships or 12th century monarchies - they are, in short all authoritarian regimes which emphasis the power of the state at the expense of the rights of the individual.
This is what so-called liberals like and what they want; as long as they are the "authority".
If a liberal tells you he wants "democracy" he's lying; he wants to control the populace so he stays in power.
-Darth
Actually no. Jesus was born and raised a Jew, but the word he brought was of something different. Some say this was due to St. Paul, but Christians were not required to follow the laws of Judaism - specially the covenant.
We can get out of the way and let them destroy Hamas.
Quote from: mdgiles on August 05, 2014, 01:56:07 PM
Actually no. Jesus was born and raised a Jew, but the word he brought was of something different. Some say this was due to St. Paul, but Christians were not required to follow the laws of Judaism - specially the covenant.
lol, yes, I'm not sure if Jesus realized that he was a Christian. He was starting a new movement of more peace, love, understanding than those before....but I doubt that he planned on naming it after himself.
Back on topic, man I was hopeful that Israel was taking off the gloves this time.....but they seem to be feeling the pressure to give in yet again, after the recent successful Hamas effort to get 10 people killed.
I thought they were gonna keep going until about 98% of hamas was dead, and 99.9% of their facilities and tunnels were gone.
But hopefully they've accomplished this, and just aren't broadcasting it.
Quote from: AndyJackson on August 05, 2014, 02:04:31 PM
lol, yes, I'm not sure if Jesus realized that he was a Christian. He was starting a new movement of more peace, love, understanding than those before....but I doubt that he planned on naming it after himself.
Back on topic, man I was hopeful that Israel was taking off the gloves this time.....but they seem to be feeling the pressure to give in yet again, after the recent successful Hamas effort to get 10 people killed.
I thought they were gonna keep going until about 98% of hamas was dead, and 99.9% of their facilities and tunnels were gone.
But hopefully they've accomplished this, and just aren't broadcasting it.
I have a sneaking feeling they are saving for the day they have to take out Iran's nukes, which will be very soon.
God knows like the rest of us, our Marxist won't lift a finger to help.
Quote from: Solar on August 05, 2014, 12:05:30 PM
My story pretty much parallels your's with the exception of flight, my family stayed, and suffered, the Synagogue around the corner is now home of God only knows what.
Personally, I wish Israel would take off the gloves and do exactly what it needs to do to guarantee it's survival. OBLITERATE those that wish them harm, take their land and never look back. (1967 should have been the end of it)
With this, a warning to anyone else that attempts to disrupt their peace, they'll get the same and worse.
I second that emotion. The Israelis buy our military stuff and actually make it a lot better to serve their purposes. (Check out the F-16I, for just one example.) They're not just cornered, they're almost literally surrounded by nations that have sworn to obliterate them.
1967 should have been the end of it. Let's keep in mind that Israel probably had nukes even then, along with the ability to deliver them. Officially, they still don't admit having them, but, well, you know...
Quote from: TboneAgain on August 05, 2014, 02:14:02 PM
I second that emotion. The Israelis buy our military stuff and actually make it a lot better to serve their purposes. (Check out the F-16I, for just one example.) They're not just cornered, they're almost literally surrounded by nations that have sworn to obliterate them.
1967 should have been the end of it. Let's keep in mind that Israel probably had nukes even then, along with the ability to deliver them. Officially, they still don't admit having them, but, well, you know...
Yep, just like a gun, it stays holstered unless you intend on using it, and no one need know you're packing.
Quote from: mdgiles on August 05, 2014, 01:56:07 PM
Actually no. Jesus was born and raised a Jew, but the word he brought was of something different. Some say this was due to St. Paul, but Christians were not required to follow the laws of Judaism - specially the covenant.
Jesus was a devout Jew and went about his work within that religion. At no time did he suggest a "spinoff" religion. His scale was quite small from a geographical standpoint. After his death Christianity spread due to the work of the disciples (see the book of Acts). Christianity still uses Judaism as the basis for their beliefs with the "new " visions of Jesus. Hence, in my view, we who are Christians are tied closely to the Jews even though they put Jesus to death. My take on Jesus' death is he was a threat to the local Jewish leaders and they decided to go after him.
Quote from: Darth Fife on August 05, 2014, 12:29:14 PM
So did Jesus, ...
Hardly! Of course, if you didn't know who He was/is, you may think He was just another MoHamMud.
Quote from: supsalemgr on August 05, 2014, 03:40:11 PM
Jesus was a devout Jew and went about his work within that religion. At no time did he suggest a "spinoff" religion. His scale was quite small from a geographical standpoint. After his death Christianity spread due to the work of the disciples (see the book of Acts). Christianity still uses Judaism as the basis for their beliefs with the "new " visions of Jesus. Hence, in my view, we who are Christians are tied closely to the Jews even though they put Jesus to death. My take on Jesus' death is he was a threat to the local Jewish leaders and they decided to go after him.
One of the questions that arose immediately after Jesus' death was whether new followers of him would have to follow the Jewish religious and dietary laws. The issue was pretty much settled during the Jewish revolts, when power within the new religion passed from the members who still dwelt in Judea, to those who dwelt outside of it.
Quote from: Dr. Meh on August 05, 2014, 09:56:11 AM
I support Israel 100% and believe they have every right to defend themselves. The lefty media continues to try to demonize Israel and play the victim card for the murdering Palestinians.
So, what can we do to help gain support for Israel and counter the leftist distortions?
Your title made me think you were going in another direction with this thread -- more like the Jew hating lib sites.
The title SHOULD be, What to do About the Hamas Problem Israel certainly isn't the problem. It is the Mythical Palestinians (they're Jordanians & Egyptians) who CHOSE Hamas. Gaza need to be reoccupied and the "Palestinians" driven back into Jordan and Egypt. As long as they're there the will be a thorn in Israel's side.
Quote from: mdgiles on August 05, 2014, 04:19:15 PM
One of the questions that arose immediately after Jesus' death was whether new followers of him would have to follow the Jewish religious and dietary laws. The issue was pretty much settled during the Jewish revolts, when power within the new religion passed from the members who still dwelt in Judea, to those who dwelt outside of it.
Good points, but before this devolves into something for the Religion Forum, I think it should be said that there's a raft of good reasons folks use the term "Judeo-Christian." The two religions are very close in scope, purpose, and letter, with some exceptions. More importantly, they agree on some fundamental aspects of living -- the Ten Commandments, for example -- that form the very basis of the United States of America. You can look around the world today (or at practically any time in recent history) and pick out the peoples who adhere to Judeo-Christian principles (though they may call their mores something else).
They're the successful ones.
SEE? I knew this one was going to be moved. :tounge:
Quote from: TboneAgain on August 05, 2014, 04:28:32 PM
SEE? I knew this one was going to be moved. :tounge:
It was inevitable, and I tried to hold off, I really did. :biggrin:
Quote from: Dr. Meh on August 05, 2014, 09:56:11 AM
I support Israel 100% and believe they have every right to defend themselves. The lefty media continues to try to demonize Israel and play the victim card for the murdering Palestinians.
So, what can we do to help gain support for Israel and counter the leftist distortions?
Does anyone have an e-mail address for Netanyahu? We can show our support that way and by flying an Israeli flag along with your US flag if you like. We can also determine by e-mail what specific needs the Israelis might have that we could get and send to them, much like some groups have done for our soldiers.
We need to show our support as citizens of America for Israel. It can't hurt and would stand to be menial but who knows? It could turn out to be a major contribution.
Suzzi-don't you have an address for Netanyahu? My spelling is terrible today too.
Quote from: keyboarder on August 05, 2014, 06:08:45 PM
Does anyone have an e-mail address for Netanyahu? We can show our support that way and by flying an Israeli flag along with your US flag if you like. We can also determine by e-mail what specific needs the Israelis might have that we could get and send to them, much like some groups have done for our soldiers.
We need to show our support as citizens of America for Israel. It can't hurt and would stand to be menial but who knows? It could turn out to be a major contribution.
Suzzi-don't you have an address for Netanyahu? My spelling is terrible today too.
I find the idea of sending them care packages and stuff intriguing. That would assume it gets past Obummer and his minions to make it to Israel in the first place.
Quote from: carlb on August 05, 2014, 04:25:54 PM
Your title made me think you were going in another direction with this thread -- more like the Jew hating lib sites.
The title SHOULD be, What to do About the Hamas Problem Israel certainly isn't the problem. It is the Mythical Palestinians (they're Jordanians & Egyptians) who CHOSE Hamas. Gaza need to be reoccupied and the "Palestinians" driven back into Jordan and Egypt. As long as they're there the will be a thorn in Israel's side.
The title is fine the way it is. In fact, I left it sort of ambiguous to get people to click it. I think it's more about your interpretation of "something needing to be done" to automatically mean a bad thing. Either way, it got you and others to click it and respond so I consider the thread and the title a success.
Quote from: mdgiles on August 05, 2014, 01:56:07 PM
Actually no. Jesus was born and raised a Jew, but the word he brought was of something different. Some say this was due to St. Paul, but Christians were not required to follow the laws of Judaism - specially the covenant.
I suggest you read your Bible again...
17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.Matthew 5:17-20-Darth
Quote from: Dr. Meh on August 05, 2014, 09:56:11 AM
I support Israel 100% and believe they have every right to defend themselves. The lefty media continues to try to demonize Israel and play the victim card for the murdering Palestinians.
So, what can we do to help gain support for Israel and counter the leftist distortions?
Charity to Jewish organizations is one thing, recommend Fellowship of Christian and Jews but I'm sure there are other as excellent orgs as well. Also important is to at least clarify Israel from the Palestinians to our friends and family. My wife was horrified at the MSM barrage of dead palestinian children, but I explained that Hamas forces children into the buildings after the "knock/warning" strikes. The MSM only gives the Hamas side of the story, they may give little concern to Israel but it is always followed by a snarky comment blaming them for the situation in the first place.
Quote from: Darth Fife on August 08, 2014, 03:21:24 PM
I suggest you read your Bible again...
17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:17-20
-Darth
You forgot to bold the part about everything being accomplished. What that's referring to is Jesus' resurrection and the establishment of the new covenant. Hence the reason Jesus said "it is finished." As He died on the cross.
I suggest you read your Bible again but do it with a clean heart and desire to learn the word of God rather than to try to distort the scriptures to fit your atheist worldview.