what are we Christians to anticipate as we see the day approaching

[walkstall]

you could learn a lot for kroz on how to win friends and influence people ? lol

that okay .... I'm timing you out ....... later folks :)

At not place did I use  when posting about learning form Kroz.

While your on a self time out, see if you can grow up and be a man of the cloth.

[Solar]

Well ... We are not children we are adults and can think for ourselves be it right or wrong by your way of thinking .. when I post something you doesn't agree with then post a reply ... lay it out, I can take it or leave it. All this is just my way of thinking ... right ?

Let me draw you a picture, and I'll do it very slowly, so you get it this time.
This a Religion forum, primarily Christian, where Christians can discuss religion, learn from one another, but when someone comes in trashing another Christians beliefs, interpretation of said belief, right or wrong, you crossed  the line.

If you want to argue, take it to the Poli forum, but keep it out of the Religion forum.
I think you're a bright guy with a lot of knowledge to offer, just be cordial, that's all that's I ask.

[dadman]

Okay I've lost track ... so at this point what is the religious issue being debated here ? ... or you choose one

what are we Christians to anticipate as we see the day approaching ??

[kroz]

Okay I've lost track ... so at this point what is the religious issue being debated here ? ... or you choose one

what are we Christians to anticipate as we see the day approaching ??

The picture that comes to my mind is the poignant ending to "Shindler's List".

Remember how Oskar Shindler broke down and cried because he did not do more to save the Jews?  He was grieved to the core because he spent some of his wealth on opulent pleasures in life.  He wished he had sold his luxury car and bought a few more Jews.  His spirit was crushed when he realized his own selfishness..... even though he had done so much.

Now that I observe the "signs of the times" as related to Scriptural prophecy, I do not want to miss any opportunities to help people find Jesus Christ and embrace Him as their Savior.  Because on that day of Christ's return, nothing else will be of value to me.

We can bicker over the sequence of prophetical events.  But you and I both know that the end seems to be drawing nigh.  We could be wrong, but maybe not.  In the overall scheme of things what difference does it really make?  We get to win a debate?

I have studied the Book of Revelation extensively but this is not the forum in which I believe it is profitable to discuss it in detail.   That is better done in a small group setting where all the participants have "done their homework".  It would do more damage than good on this type of forum.  JMHO

Remember, this is a political forum primarily for the purpose of discussing political issues.  We have a sidebar allocated to things that we find which are more related to religion.  Sometimes these religious threads get very interesting because it can be difficult to separate some of our political problems from our religious roots as a Nation.

I don't believe the Religion sidebar was created for the purpose of soapbox preaching.  But sometimes we can all get a little preachy on it.....because we all have our own opinions.  I hope you spend some time and read through some of these religious threads in the archives.  It may give you a better idea of how to best approach your purpose for being here.

[Reverend]

The Idolatry of Mary Worship: An Overview

The Idolatry of Mary Worship: Part 1

The Idolatry of Mary Worship: Part 2

Let this sink in Most Holy Reverend lol

What does any of this have to do with your bogus claims about what Revelation says? Nothing. You are just a Catholic hater and you are trying to make the scriptures say that it's okay to hate Catholics, who are also Christians. That's why I got into this conversation - your obvious un-Christ like hated of your fellow Christians.

I'll be on my way now, I am not going to give you any more opportunities to sin.

[dadman]

The picture that comes to my mind is the poignant ending to "Shindler's List" ... Now that I observe the "signs of the times" as related to Scriptural prophecy, I do not want to miss any opportunities to help people find Jesus Christ and embrace Him as their Savior.  Because on that day of Christ's return, nothing else will be of value to me.

I agree .. I believe the approaching day is something that even the unbeliever can see .. he/she may have a totally different philosophy about what it all means .. to me, it's an open door and a hopeful opportunity to advance the truth of the scripture and just maybe win some

We can bicker over the sequence of prophetical events.  But you and I both know that the end seems to be drawing nigh.  We could be wrong, but maybe not.  In the overall scheme of things what difference does it really make?  We get to win a debate?

no, not to win a debate about the sequence of events .. but hopefully a recognition that indeed these events will come and they just might not be far away, even in our own lifetime .. and for someone to relinquish them to the past I believe is a terrible Biblical mistake .... sounds to me the inquisition is on the rise again lol

I have studied the Book of Revelation extensively but this is not the forum in which I believe it is profitable to discuss it in detail.   That is better done in a small group setting where all the participants have "done their homework".  It would do more damage than good on this type of forum.  JMHO

I agree but I would also like to allow for anyone interested to know and understand this book (I believe is God's will) Rev 1:3 < a blessing indeed ... the opportunity to listen to a verse by verse audio series by (I believe) one of the best teachers in our time .... even though we believers in Jesus will not be here during the commencement of these horrific events < my contention

Remember, this is a political forum primarily for the purpose of discussing political issues.  We have a sidebar allocated to things that we find which are more related to religion.  Sometimes these religious threads get very interesting because it can be difficult to separate some of our political problems from our religious roots as a Nation.

indeed, and I do also have my political views and vote to hopefully see the better candidate win to the em betterment of our Country .... however as I approach my 60s my expectations in man's ability to remedy the problems we are incurring on a daily basis seems to be less and less ..... this is probably why any forum I join, the "religion" section is where I find my default .... hopefully the cards I lay on the table are the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the message of salvation

I don't believe the Religion sidebar was created for the purpose of soapbox preaching.  But sometimes we can all get a little preachy on it.....because we all have our own opinions.  I hope you spend some time and read through some of these religious threads in the archives.  It may give you a better idea of how to best approach your purpose for being here.

indeed, we all have something to learn > especially me < God is not through with me ... lol :) .... yall have a great evening

[kroz]

Thanks, dadman.

I really like your new approach and believe you have much of value to share with this forum.  Hang in there!!   

[dadman]

Thanks, dadman.

I really like your new approach

lol ... thank you kroz .. of course this doesn't mean I'm planning to let the reverned off the hook :)

[dadman]

What does any of this have to do with your bogus claims about what Revelation says? Nothing

Well no it really kinda does ... Revelation 17 describes a massive religious system that describes the character and doctrines of the RCC to a tee ... not only that, the audio files I've posted reveal the un-Biblical doctrine and practices of the RCC described in the titles ... and AGAIN I would challenge you Reverend to Biblically and Scriptually display the legitimacy of these RCC doctrines I have described that you are indeed defending ... you know it was you Reverend who brought up this issue of the Pope and the RCC and that any deviation from the RCC is "dividing" the Body of christ

You are just a Catholic hater and you are trying to make the scriptures say that it's okay to hate Catholics, who are also Christians

Well no, not really .... no. 1 - I hate no one (Judge not that you be not judged) .... this really sounds to me to be the boo-hoo-hollar of the (soon to emerge) One World Religion (what I'm expecting from the RCC) ... My Sister is staunch Catholic: "I believe in ALL Religions") ... you see, I was born and raised in the Catholic church ... and just because someone adherers to the RCC does not make them a Christian .. especially when the RCC teaches non-Biblical doctrine and proclaims a salvation to be attained by a system of works

you are trying to make the scriptures say that it's okay to hate Catholics

??? ... Seriously ?? < show me where I state or display this ... I don't try to "make" the scriptures hate anyone .. Sheeesh !! why would I do that ?? ... the Scriptures are to lead a man to > salvation in Jesus < thank you very much

That's why I got into this conversation - your obvious un-Christ like hated of your fellow Christians

well here is just an example of what some Catholics believe  ... homosexuality no longer a sin ?? ... I do think the Apostle Paul has some words from God toward this matter .. Romans 1 ..... should I hate Mormons ? / JWs or Muslims ? .. not at all .... did Jesus promote and embrace the doctrines of the Pharisees and Sadducees and just go along to "get along" ?? .. God forbid .. no, he set them straight and lifted the Law back to where God intended it to be and then expounded and displayed the Spirit of the Law and then proceeded to the cross to die for the sins of man ... because man has no ability to "keep the Law" and indeed needs a Savior ... did Jesus "hate" the Pharisees and Sadducees ?? .. not at all .. but boy they sure hated him now didn't they

I'll be on my way now, I am not going to give you any more opportunities to sin

okay well that is fine ... maybe you should give yourself some opportunities to Biblically and Scripturally refute my refutations of you ..... that IS what a Religion Debate Forum is all about ... right ?? looking forward to your cordial response < do have a blessed day

[kroz]

I too believe that there is much error taught in the RCC, but at the same time I do know of some in that church that do have a personal relationship with Christ.

Truth be known, there is likely a bit or error taught in most churches today. ...... not that I am the judge of it.  I am capable of error in my own theology.  I know that because my own personal theology has changed over time and spiritual growth and study.  All through my spiritual journey I have been the same Christian walking with Christ.

As a matter of fact, my most recent thinking is that I may have been wrong about the false religion of Revelation.  I look at various passages of prophecy.... especially in Daniel and Revelation and am seeing that the false religion could be Islam.

There is an amazing young man of God who has studied the Scripture a lot and written a new book about it.  I have listened to many of his audio tapes and have been impressed.  I have not yet read the book.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Islamic-Antichrist-Joel-Richardson/dp/1935071556

This may not be right, but it certainly seems to line up with many of the things happening in the world today.

Joel has many of his talks on youtube.  Google for more info.

[supsalemgr]

Well no it really kinda does ... Revelation 17 describes a massive religious system that describes the character and doctrines of the RCC to a tee ... not only that, the audio files I've posted reveal the un-Biblical doctrine and practices of the RCC described in the titles ... and AGAIN I would challenge you Reverend to Biblically and Scriptually display the legitimacy of these RCC doctrines I have described that you are indeed defending ... you know it was you Reverend who brought up this issue of the Pope and the RCC and that any deviation from the RCC is "dividing" the Body of christ

Well no, not really .... no. 1 - I hate no one (Judge not that you be not judged) .... this really sounds to me to be the boo-hoo-hollar of the (soon to emerge) One World Religion (what I'm expecting from the RCC) ... My Sister is staunch Catholic: "I believe in ALL Religions") ... you see, I was born and raised in the Catholic church ... and just because someone adherers to the RCC does not make them a Christian .. especially when the RCC teaches non-Biblical doctrine and proclaims a salvation to be attained by a system of works


??? ... Seriously ?? < show me where I state or display this ... I don't try to "make" the scriptures hate anyone .. Sheeesh !! why would I do that ?? ... the Scriptures are to lead a man to > salvation in Jesus < thank you very much

well here is just an example of what some Catholics believe  ... homosexuality no longer a sin ?? ... I do think the Apostle Paul has some words from God toward this matter .. Romans 1 ..... should I hate Mormons ? / JWs or Muslims ? .. not at all .... did Jesus promote and embrace the doctrines of the Pharisees and Sadducees and just go along to "get along" ?? .. God forbid .. no, he set them straight and lifted the Law back to where God intended it to be and then expounded and displayed the Spirit of the Law and then proceeded to the cross to die for the sins of man ... because man has no ability to "keep the Law" and indeed needs a Savior ... did Jesus "hate" the Pharisees and Sadducees ?? .. not at all .. but boy they sure hated him now didn't they

okay well that is fine ... maybe you should give yourself some opportunities to Biblically and Scripturally refute my refutations of you ..... that IS what a Religion Debate Forum is all about ... right ?? looking forward to your cordial response < do have a blessed day

I am always reluctant to get involved with religious threads as they are so emotional. However, in reading your posts it is clear you have a true bias against the RCC. I am not a Catholic as one thing I cannot accept is an elected human being, the Pope, is elevated to holy status. That being said, I have known many Catholics and they are wonderful Christian people.

This is one of your statements from your post;

"some Catholics believe ... homosexuality no longer a sin ??"

Are you indicating no protestants have this view? In fact some protestant denominations have accepted this as a church.

It strikes me that your view of the RCC shows a lack of tolerance that a true Christian should exhibit.

[dadman]

I am always reluctant to get involved with religious threads as they are so emotional. However, in reading your posts it is clear you have a true bias against the RCC. I am not a Catholic as one thing I cannot accept is an elected human being, the Pope, is elevated to holy status. That being said, I have known many Catholics and they are wonderful Christian people.

This is one of your statements from your post; "some Catholics believe ... homosexuality no longer a sin ??" Are you indicating no protestants have this view? In fact some protestant denominations have accepted this as a church ... It strikes me that your view of the RCC shows a lack of tolerance that a true Christian should exhibit.

Oh don't get me wrong ... apostasy spans ALL branches and denominations ... as far as apostasy is concerned I do not single our the RCC ... I'm just relaying some of my own close experience as a way to dispell this blanket statement that "Catholics are Christians" ... but my main point in all this is to point to the 2nd Beast Rev 13 the False Prophet and to point attention to this soon to emerge One World Religion (Rev 17) ... no, Rev 17 is not in the past but in the future

I have known many Catholics and they are wonderful Christian people

Oh I agree ... I have been involve in pro-life for many years and know many wonderful Catholics, most of my family is Catholic ... My contentions are toward the system and doctrine of this mega complex of a "Mother" Church .... time will tell whether I am right or wrong ... but make no mistake ... this tyrannical / Global / inquisitional type Babylon / Harlot of a > False Bride < will emerge ... absorbing all false belief and pagan ideology known to man ...... thank you for your post .... please engage this conversation

[kroz]

Oh don't get me wrong ... apostasy spans ALL branches and denominations ... as far as apostasy is concerned I do not single our the RCC ... I'm just relaying some of my own close experience as a way to dispell this blanket statement that "Catholics are Christians" ... but my main point in all this is to point to the 2nd Beast (Rev 13) the False Prophet and to point attention to this soon to emerge One World Religion (Rev 17) ... no, Rev 17 is not in the past but in the future

Oh I agree ... I have been involve in pro-life for many years and know many wonderful Catholics, most of my family is Catholic ... My contentions are toward the system and doctrine of this mega complex of a "Mother" Church .... time will tell whether I am right or wrong ... but make no mistake ... this tyrannical / Global / inquisitional type Babylon / Harlot of a > False Bride < will emerge ... absorbing all false belief and pegan ideology known to man ...... thank you for your post .... please engage this conversation

So, am I correct in summarizing your statement as acknowledging Christianity exists in most mainstream denominations and the RCC........ and we are waiting to see if the RCC fulfills the Rev 17 prophecy?

If that is true, you get no objection from me on those points.  We don't know and cannot know for sure but must rely on the signs of the times as they unfold. 

Having said those things I will add that Pope Francis is a distinctly new type of Pope... unlike others.  He embraces communist marxism and is offended by capitalism.  That is new to the RCC.

And Pope Francis' sincere love of the poor, and shake up within the RCC hierarchy has endeared him to many!

[dadman]

So, am I correct in summarizing your statement as acknowledging Christianity exists in most mainstream denominations and the RCC........ and we are waiting to see if the RCC fulfills the Rev 17 prophecy?

I think that an actual real Christian in the RCC (hopefully) would realize that as far as salvation is concerned they have absolutely no "need" for the RCC ... no "church" has the power to save you ... being added to the church does not add you to the Lord .... being added to the Lord is what adds you to the Church .... the RCC claims that THEY are necessary for salvation ... < and this is not correct .... I need no "man" to forgive my sins ... my sins were forgiven by God at the cross of Jesus .. past / present and future ... i t - i s  - f i n i s h e d  .... Jesus' sacrifice was a ONE TIME event - NEVER to be repeated again .... I don't need to live a life asking God to forgive my sins ... I live a life THANKING God FOR forgiving my sins

If that is true, you get no objection from me on those points.  We don't know and cannot know for sure but must rely on the signs of the times as they unfold.

amen and agreed

Having said those things I will add that Pope Francis is a distinctly new type of Pope... unlike others.  He embraces communist marxism and is offended by capitalism.  That is new to the RCC .... And Pope Francis' sincere love of the poor, and shake up within the RCC hierarchy has endeared him to many!

and I really wonder about this .... has any money been transferred from the $$$ Vatican $$$ ... to the homeless and the poor ?? .... I remember a big media event where the pope snuck out of the Vatican to wonder alone down to the back alley poor and homeless ... question: if this was supposed to be some secret deal then WHY do we even know about it ? ... where are those homeless today ? ... are they in homes ? ... why do we never hear about the conclusion to these stories ? .... or are they just big propaganda media driven events ..... if the pope is prostrate flat in prayer on the floor ... why are there photos of this ? .... I think I remember Jesus' words ... when you pray, get in your closet, and not to be seen in public for the praise of men ... you would indeed have your reward .... I'm sure there many who could enlighten me on this ..... have a great evening

[Reverend]

and AGAIN I would challenge you Reverend to Biblically and Scriptually display the legitimacy of these RCC doctrines I have described that you are indeed defending

I am not "defending" anything, I am challenging YOU to Biblically and scripturally display the legitimacy of your own statements here, which you have yet to do. When challenged on your own superstition, all you have done is change the subject to "Mary worship" (a false claim in and of itself). This is something you do constantly (change the subject, that is) when you are asked to prove your claims.

You claim Rev 17 is about the RCC, prove your case.

(From Wikipedia): in apocryphal writings, "Babylon" is a cryptic name for Rome. Reinhard Feldmeier speculates that "Babylon" is used to refer to Rome in 1 Peter 5:13. In Revelation 17:9 it is said that she sits on "seven mountains", typically understood as the seven hills of Rome. A Roman coin minted under the Emperor Vespasian (ca. 70 AD) depicts Rome as a woman sitting on seven hills.

I can also recommend a couple of books for you on the subject, if you can read.

Your claims are cultic superstition, the stuff that Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons preach, which is funny considering that both of those cults are heretical themselves.

Well no, not really .... no. 1 - I hate no one (Judge not that you be not judged) ....

This after you have called an entire assembly of Christians "the whore of Babylon"????? And you don't want to be judged????

you know it was you Reverend who brought up this issue of the Pope and the RCC and that any deviation from the RCC is "dividing" the Body of christ

Judging by your posts here it is plain to me that you don't even know that Catholics believe, like this:

well here is just an example of what some Catholics believe  ... homosexuality no longer a sin ?

Really? That's news to me, since the RCC is one of the last holdouts, refusing to recognize so-called "gay marriage". I would suggest that you confine yourself to facts and not wild claims.

... you see, I was born and raised in the Catholic church ...

I don't believe you, nobody could be born and raised in the Catholic church and be as ignorant about what they believe as you are. Like this:

especially when the RCC teaches non-Biblical doctrine and proclaims a salvation to be attained by a system of works

Really? Feel free to expound on this "system of works" as you understand it.

.... did Jesus promote and embrace the doctrines of the Pharisees and Sadducees and just go along to "get along" ?? .. God forbid .. no, he set them straight and lifted the Law back to where God intended it to be and then expounded and displayed the Spirit of the Law and then proceeded to the cross to die for the sins of man ... because man has no ability to "keep the Law" and indeed needs a Savior ... did Jesus "hate" the Pharisees and Sadducees ?? .. not at all .. but boy they sure hated him now didn't they

Jesus was a Jew, he wasn't a white Protestant. He told his followers "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat,  so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice." That's in Matt. 23, since you probably don't know. Jesus didn't try to undermine the Pharisees's authority, although he did criticize their personal conduct.

Jesus knew the Pharisees knew what they were talking about when it came to the Law because he was a teacher himself. Uneducated men like yourself use the Pharisees and Sadducees as an excuse to ridicule clergy just for being clergy.

okay well that is fine ... maybe you should give yourself some opportunities to Biblically and Scripturally refute my refutations of you ..... that IS what a Religion Debate Forum is all about ... right ??

When you can engage in some actual debate then I am willing to try it. So far you have committed at least three logical fallacies (you can look that up) in addition to some actual falsehoods. That is not debate, that is ranting. The hardest part with you is deciding where to start because your posts are so error filled.