Re: Positive Conservatism

[Skull]

There's only one detail that is wrong with what, W.J and yourself project here; that the nature of man is, 'divine'.  It never was and never will be.  In fact, because man is spiritually dead, the very same Scriptures you quote tell us; "unless a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

In addition to the famous Genesis passage about "man made in the image of God", there is this:

Wisdom 2:23 -- God created us for incorruption, and made us in the image of his own nature.

The fact that most humans, most often, follow the broad & easy path only means we do not follow 'our high calling' - not that the divine call is not within us.

[Yuriy the Loader]

Wisdom 2:23 -- God created us for incorruption, and made us in the image of his own nature.

Then why did He give Adam a big dick, and Eve's uterus vagina and charming tits?

[Possum]

Somewhere, somehow, this got completely off topic. We need to either get it back on topic or look for it in the religious section.

[Walter Josh]

Somewhere, somehow, this got completely off topic. We need to either get it back on topic or look for it in the religious section.

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Possum, appreciate the red flag, as Religion is the very last matter that needs interjection
into a discussion of Spirituality. Additionally, another a reflection.
Plato authored his "Republic" around 400 BC, 4 Centuries before Christ & the Principles of Roman Catholicism. As such it should be apparent that Catholicism had nothing to do w/shaping the ideas/philosophy of Plato and the wise men of Ancient Greece.
Plato asserted the Man is comprised of 3 entities;
* his body, engaged in the realm of the material,
* his mind, engaged in the realm of ideas/thoughts,
* his soul, which formed his unique identity/persona.
The latter two, Mind & Soul, were the drivers of Man's curiosity
and creative impulses which were the building blocks of his
spiritual sensibilities.
And that is the essence of what is being discussed/debated.
We are lost in the wilderness because we have abandoned the
spiritual, replacing it w/the material and then wondering why
we are embedded in our stench infested dead end of politics.

[Skull]

The key to making 'positive' conservatism is religion/spirituality guiding our minds.  The effort to isolate the two terms from each other is popular, but not significant. 
Long before the Bible, teachings on man's dual tendencies - toward good & evil - existed. Before Plato, was Pythagoras and Sages in India & China that taught the same thing. Man has an innate divine aspect of mind and the lower sensual mind.

Take a look at the Golden Verses of Pythagoras, as my sig suggests.

[Yuriy the Loader]

Somewhere, somehow, this got completely off topic. We need to either get it back on topic or look for it in the religious section.

This is completely normal, because associative cords work in the brain of humans. This is how we are made.

If you want to communicate with robots, the forum should not be called Conservative, but Cybernetic.

[Walter Josh]

The key to making 'positive' conservatism is religion/spirituality guiding our minds.  The effort to isolate the two terms from each other is popular, but not significant. 
Long before the Bible, teachings on man's dual tendencies - toward good & evil - existed. Before Plato, was Pythagoras and Sages in India & China that taught the same thing. Man has an innate divine aspect of mind and the lower sensual mind.
Take a look at the Golden Verses of Pythagoras, as my sig suggests.

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Skull, respectfully disagree.
I assert religion and spirituality, while related, are fundamentally distinct,
as the latter is innate/intuitive while the former is copied/parroted via family.

[Possum]

This is completely normal, because associative cords work in the brain of humans. This is how we are made.

If you want to communicate with robots, the forum should not be called Conservative, but Cybernetic.

Nobody is trying to censor, just getting the conversation where it belongs. There are some great posts here, just not on the subject. 

[Skull]

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Skull, respectfully disagree.
I assert religion and spirituality, while related, are fundamentally distinct,
as the latter is innate/intuitive while the former is copied/parroted via family.

That would mean virtually all Sages, Saints, Bodhisattvas, Avatars etcetera. are 'parrots'.  The percentage of Wise Ones who had zero connection to any religion is tiny.

I suggest that parroting is what most folks do most of the time, no matter the subject or field of thought.  Truly & fully new original thoughts are not to be found "under the sun".  (Oops, that parrot Solomon.)

[RV]

That would mean virtually all Sages, Saints, Bodhisattvas, Avatars etcetera. are 'parrots'.  The percentage of Wise Ones who had zero connection to any religion is tiny.

I suggest that parroting is what most folks do most of the time, no matter the subject or field of thought.  Truly & fully new original thoughts are not to be found "under the sun".  (Oops, that parrot Solomon.)

The adage that seems to fit, "if it's true, it's not new and if it's new, it's not true." That's why I rely on the Bible, it never changes and God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.

[Rawlings]

In addition to the famous Genesis passage about "man made in the image of God", there is this:

The fact that most humans, most often, follow the broad & easy path only means we do not follow 'our high calling' - not that the divine call is not within us.

The call is within us insofar as the truth goes, but man's fallen nature rules his mind sans spiritual rebirth:

     For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
     Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the
     creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they
     are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their 
     imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.  Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools . . . (Romans 1:18-22).

The essence of evil, ultimately, is irrationality.