Re: Jimmy Carter Has Cancer

[Traninit]

When an angel disappears there is nothing left to see! 

What could be better? I'll keep my fingers crossed!

[kroz]

What could be better? I'll keep my fingers crossed!

[carlb]

Those saved by the grace of God are spared His wrath for their transgressions.

None of us deserve God's grace.  Some have received His mercy by His sovereign grace.

Our sins are covered by the blood of Christ and God remembers them no more.

That is NOT justice, it is mercy.

Justice means to be judged. "We" (Christians") are being judged now. Daily.

[kroz]

Justice means to be judged. "We" (Christians") are being judged now. Daily.

I would disagree with that, carlb.

We are not judged as believers because we are "in" Christ and God looks upon us as He does Jesus.  We are covered with his blood and experience full atonement.... all sins are forgiven .past, present, and future.

We can quench the Spirit and be disobedient.  But that results in God's discipline in our lives and loss of rewards in heaven.  That is not judgement.

After death all believers will appear at the Judgement Seat of Christ.  That judgement is a judgement of rewards.  It is called the Bema Seat Judgement because it is a lot like the pedestals that athletes stand upon to receive their medals... as in the Olympics.  Not all believers receive the same rewards.  The Bible has much to say about that but I won't pursue it here.

My point is that a true believer has nothing to fear.  God has placed His Seal upon us by giving us the indwelling Holy Spirit.  He will never leave us.  Like Romans 6 says, "There is therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus."

Only unbelievers need to fear the wrath of God.

[carlb]

I agree mostly, but you are leaving out a vital part of the equation. Yes, we are washed clean by the Blood of Christ, but that also requires certain responsibilities on "our" (Christians) part:

For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God - I Peter 4:17

BTW, I'm very sorry to hear about Jimmy Carter. I'm torn, because he's had a long life. Much longer than the average, so he has been blessed. Still, even at my age, getting news that you have cancer still hits hard whether you're 17, 57, or 97. Still, this life wasn't meant to be permanent, and we're all gonna die of something. He's been blessed with so many years - especially with relative health.

[kroz]

I agree mostly, but you are leaving out a vital part of the equation. Yes, we are washed clean by the Blood of Christ, but that also requires certain responsibilities on "our" (Christians) part:

For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God - I Peter 4:17

BTW, I'm very sorry to hear about Jimmy Carter. I'm torn, because he's had a long life. Much longer than the average, so he has been blessed. Still, even at my age, getting news that you have cancer still hits hard whether you're 17, 57, or 97. Still, this life wasn't meant to be permanent, and we're all gonna die of something. He's been blessed with so many years - especially with relative health.

Well, I would agree that we are called upon to "obey" God.  (Trust and obey)

However, the judgement referred to in I Peter 4:17 is likely the "wheat/tares" judgement.  There are always tares among the wheat (in the church) and it is God who judges the tares, not us.  But scripture says that God disciplines us (not judge us) when we do not obey.  And in some situations He may shorten our lives.  In I Corinthians 11:29-30, Paul says that we should take the Lord's Supper very seriously and do self examination.  If we realize we have been disobedient, we should not partake of the Communion until we have returned to obedience.  If we do not do that, we can suffer affliction or a shortened life.

There are other places where death is mentioned as consequences to disobedience of a believer.  God disciplines His children out of love for them.... just as we do our own children.

However, God's discipline is rarely harsh.  Usually it involves a believer who is causing severe problems for fellow believers.  We are a family and God wants us to enjoy an element of harmony.

God does not discipline unbelievers.  They will face their judgement in eternity.

[taxed]

Adios Marxist scum.

[je_freedom]

Obama is NOT the devil.  The devil is a fallen angel.

I don't want to confuse you with too much information, but Ephesians tells us that God determined from the foundation of the earth who would receive His mercy.

Justice and mercy are opposites.  None deserve God's mercy.  All deserve His justice which is eternal damnation.  By the grace of God some receive his mercy.

Obama does not appear to be a recipient of God's mercy.  Evil reigns in his life.

Just a coincidence?

The words "barack obama" are also valid words in Hebrew.
They mean "lightning from heaven."

So when Jesus said, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from Heaven"
if you were there, you would have heard Jesus say,
"I saw Satan barack obama."

You can go to any Hebrew dictionary and check it out for yourself.

[kroz]

Just a coincidence?

The words "barack obama" are also valid words in Hebrew.
They mean "lightning from heaven."

So when Jesus said, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from Heaven"
if you were there, you would have heard Jesus say,
"I saw Satan barack obama."

You can go to any Hebrew dictionary and check it out for yourself.

Could you give me a link?  I am not finding it in the Hebrew dictionary.

[carlb]

Just a coincidence?

The words "barack obama" are also valid words in Hebrew.
They mean "lightning from heaven."

So when Jesus said, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from Heaven"
if you were there, you would have heard Jesus say,
"I saw Satan barack obama."

You can go to any Hebrew dictionary and check it out for yourself.

Good grief!  Obama is NOT SATAN. He just works for him.

If you think things are bad now, what will you do when you're fully immersed in the End Times? Jesus said "It will be a time of trouble such as was not since the beginning of the world, no, nor ever shall be..."  That means we will go through something WORSE than the Jews in Nazi Germany, or Christians in Muslim countries.

I think you have no idea what satan can do in this world!

[Solar]

Good grief!  Obama is NOT SATAN. He just works for him.

He definitely does his bidding willingly.

[je_freedom]

Could you give me a link?  I am not finding it in the Hebrew dictionary.

It is fitting that my 666th post on this forum would be on this subject.

Here's a page where a rabbi (apparently a Messianic one) does the word study:

http://www.sollog.com/news/satanbarack.html

He concludes his study with the following:

If SATAN is a real diabolic fallen "angel",
then the rise of Satan/Lightning/Barack is THE SIGN
that the COMING of IMMANUEL is nigh...

Written on the 29th day of June 2008 C.E. by ;

The Hon. Dr. Rabbi Sollog Immanuel Adonai-Adoni

[taxed]

The cancer said "Oh damn!  I have Jimmy Carter!"

[Solar]

The cancer said "Oh damn!  I have Jimmy Carter!"