Poll
Question:
Is Jesus a liberal or conservative?
Option 1: Liberal
votes: 0
Option 2: Conservative
votes: 2
Option 3: Independent
votes: 0
Option 4: Something Else
votes: 1
Option 5: No Idea
votes: 1
Is the J-Man a liberal or conservative? Cast your votes, friends.
I voted Conservative. I think he'd fit in between Conservative and Independent, but slightly closer to Conservative. There'd be no doubt about it, he is more conservative than a lot of people on social issues. But he wouldn't support all the wars and military, even though we have no choice but to protect ourselves. Here is where liberals think he is a liberal, he gave to others. Yes, he did, he scrubbed his followers feet even though he knew they snickered about him and turned on him. But here's the difference, liberals want to force assistance to the needy by taxes, God gave us free will, we can assist autonomously. Jesus assisted autonomously. I don't think he's power hungry, he seems like a pretty down to earth guy. :thumbup:
But on the military thing, we have no choice but to stand up against the baddies and protect our freedom, I do believe there is a possibility for a gray area, but I'm not a preist, I'm not even a big Jesus freak, but I do worship him and admire him.
It was hard to vote between Conservative or Independent, but I think the free-will is what puts him a little more under the conservative list.
You can vote whatever you want, but I ask you to not vote 'Conservative' just because you are conservative. Use what you know about him as you vote please. I voted conservative, mostly because of the social aspect.
There is no way to know for sure, the only way you could find out is by getting an answer straight from him. And I think Jesus has bigger things to worry about than American politics lol.
Quote from: RedConMan on August 11, 2015, 12:04:56 AM
Is the J-Man a liberal or conservative? Cast your votes, friends.
I voted Conservative. I think he'd fit in between Conservative and Independent, but slightly closer to Conservative. There'd be no doubt about it, he is more conservative than a lot of people on social issues. But he wouldn't support all the wars and military, even though we have no choice but to protect ourselves. Here is where liberals think he is a liberal, he gave to others. Yes, he did, he scrubbed his followers feet even though he knew they snickered about him and turned on him. But here's the difference, liberals want to force assistance to the needy by taxes, God gave us free will, we can assist autonomously. Jesus assisted autonomously. I don't think he's power hungry, he seems like a pretty down to earth guy. :thumbup:
But on the military thing, we have no choice but to stand up against the baddies and protect our freedom, I do believe there is a possibility for a gray area, but I'm not a preist, I'm not even a big Jesus freak, but I do worship him and admire him.
It was hard to vote between Conservative or Independent, but I think the free-will is what puts him a little more under the conservative list.
You can vote whatever you want, but I ask you to not vote 'Conservative' just because you are conservative. Use what you know about him as you vote please. I voted conservative, mostly because of the social aspect.
There is no way to know for sure, the only way you could find out is by getting an answer straight from him. And I think Jesus has bigger things to worry about than American politics lol.
I voted "no idea" as I believe your last paragraph sums up Christ's position. His love is for each individual and that relationship is very personal. Each individual has his/her own concept of Christ. As with much more in the scriptures one can form different interpretations to support their own beliefs.
Quote from: supsalemgr on August 11, 2015, 05:00:01 AM
I voted "no idea" as I believe your last paragraph sums up Christ's position. His love is for each individual and that relationship is very personal. Each individual has his/her own concept of Christ. As with much more in the scriptures one can form different interpretations to support their own beliefs.
I am amused myself when people try and pigeon hole Christ. why must he have a label?
Quote from: walkstall on August 11, 2015, 06:10:40 AM
I am amused myself when people try and pigeon hole Christ. why must he have a label?
This is not meant to label Christ in anyway. It's more like, if Jesus was around in physical forum today, where would he fit in more? Jesus isn't conservative, Jesus is Jesus. Like I said, he probably has bigger things on his mind then American politics.
Dan 2:21
"It is He who changes the times and the epochs;
He removes kings and establishes kings;
He gives wisdom to wise men
And knowledge to men of understanding.
He is Sovereign over His creation and therefore does not fit into any political category.
Jesus said, "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's." .... meaning, pay your taxes.
We are told repeatedly to submit to our authorities (government)....... regardless of our opinions.
We are also told that "all things work together for good for those who love God and are called according to His purposes." ....... that means that we should not fear our circumstances... for He is in control.
Therefore, your question is totally irrelevant. It doesn't matter what we think. God's WILL will be done. :thumbup:
Truth is...... God raised up Obama for HIS purposes.
Quote from: kroz on August 11, 2015, 01:25:55 PM
Dan 2:21
"It is He who changes the times and the epochs;
He removes kings and establishes kings;
He gives wisdom to wise men
And knowledge to men of understanding.
He is Sovereign over His creation and therefore does not fit into any political category.
Jesus said, "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's." .... meaning, pay your taxes.
We are told repeatedly to submit to our authorities (government)....... regardless of our opinions.
We are also told that "all things work together for good for those who love God and are called according to His purposes." ....... that means that we should not fear our circumstances... for He is in control.
Therefore, your question is totally irrelevant. It doesn't matter what we think. God's WILL will be done. :thumbup:
Truth is...... God raised up Obama for HIS purposes.
So are you saying b o does not have a free will. That God made him the asshole he is today. (https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1208.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc366%2FPlagueEleven%2FSmileys%2Fundecided.gif&hash=db88cdd595585472d8a4bb29597e2457b071fcb9)
I don't buy that even for a minute.
Quote from: walkstall on August 11, 2015, 01:49:43 PM
So are you saying b o does not have a free will. That God made him the asshole he is today. (https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1208.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc366%2FPlagueEleven%2FSmileys%2Fundecided.gif&hash=db88cdd595585472d8a4bb29597e2457b071fcb9)
I don't buy that even for a minute.
That is NOT what I said. You read too much into my post.
Obama does have a free will as we all do. But God opens doors and closes doors for His purposes.
For the Scripture says to Pharaoh,
"For this very purpose I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you and that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth." Romans 9: 17
Now you tell me, did Pharaoh have a free will?
Quote from: kroz on August 11, 2015, 01:59:46 PM
That is NOT what I said. You read too much into my post.
Obama does have a free will as we all do. But God opens doors and closes doors for His purposes.
For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you and that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth." Romans 9: 17
Now you tell me, did Pharaoh have a free will?
This is now not then! b o is not Pharaoh. I don't blame god for everything. :biggrin:
Quote from: walkstall on August 11, 2015, 02:23:04 PM
This is now not then! b o is not Pharaoh. I don't blame god for everything. :biggrin:
God is the same.... yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
Pharaoh was a leader raised up by God for HIS purposes. God is still in control today. Aren't we glad?! :thumbsup:
Quote from: kroz on August 11, 2015, 02:31:06 PM
God is the same.... yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
Pharaoh was a leader raised up by God for HIS purposes. God is still in control today. Aren't we glad?! :thumbsup:
So you don't believe God keeps evolving even to this day?
Quote from: walkstall on August 11, 2015, 02:48:00 PM
So you don't believe God keeps evolving even to this day?
No, not at all. The Bible clearly teaches that God is unchanging in His nature and attributes.
He is omnipotent (all powerful), omniscient (all knowing) and omnipresent (everywhere). How do you evolve from there?
By His very word all things are held together. He is sovereign over His creation. .... that includes you and me! He knows the number of hairs on our head (depleting as they are) and numbers our days! :thumbsup:
Quote from: kroz on August 11, 2015, 03:49:04 PM
No, not at all. The Bible clearly teaches that God is unchanging in His nature and attributes.
He is omnipotent (all powerful), omniscient (all knowing) and omnipresent (everywhere). By His very word all things are held together. He is sovereign over His creation. .... that includes you and me! He knows the number of hairs on our head (depleting as they are) and numbers our days! :thumbsup:How do you evolve from there?
Like all things. Over what we call time.
Quote from: walkstall on August 11, 2015, 04:13:40 PM
Like all things. Over what we call time.
God exists outside of time. He created time, space and matter for us. They are all elements of His creation. Don't you know He has a lot of fun watching us "discover" things? :laugh:
In truth it is impossible for us to comprehend an infinite God with our finite minds.
Decades ago when I taught Bible to middle school kids I used to draw a circle. On the circumference of the circle I plotted historical events chronologically. Then I put a dot in the center of the circle. The dot represented God's proximity to our history. Since God resides outside of time, He was/is the same distance from all points in history. He doesn't reside on our time line. It was a new concept for them but they grasped the point.
Quote from: kroz on August 11, 2015, 05:32:17 PM
God exists outside of time. He created time, space and matter for us. They are all elements of His creation. Don't you know He has a lot of fun watching us "discover" things? :laugh:
In truth it is impossible for us to comprehend an infinite God with our finite minds.
Decades ago when I taught Bible to middle school kids I used to draw a circle. On the circumference of the circle I plotted historical events chronologically. Then I put a dot in the center of the circle. The dot represented God's proximity to our history. Since God resides outside of time, He was/is the same distance from all points in history. He doesn't reside on our time line. It was a new concept for them but they grasped the point.
That my satisfy kids and even most adults. But for me there will always have to be a beginning even for God. For me God must be evolving or there would be no need to create heaven and earth.
Well if the government is hurting our bill of rights, that is different. We legally don't have to obey them then. God also doesn't want us following a law that would ever hurt our freedom of religious belief, or something to hurt Christians.
@Walkstall a way I like to explain to my little brother and cousins, is like God to us, is like us to monkeys. They know we're here but they can't comprehend outer-space, government, money, math, history, etc. Just because God is a being beyond our comprehension, doesn't mean he doesn't exist. We are not that smart, to be honest.
Quote from: walkstall on August 11, 2015, 07:24:32 PM
That my satisfy kids and even most adults. But for me there will always have to be a beginning even for God. For me God must be evolving or there would be no need to create heaven and earth.
Why do you assume He NEEDED to create heaven and earth?
He is the Creator and we are merely elements of His creation. While we reside on this earth we will be incapable of understanding the many facets of God. He created us with limitations..... for His purpose. It is not for us to second guess Him or define Him. He just IS. He is the great "I AM". That is how He defined Himself to Moses.
Way back when we first came out with the "Big Bang" theory of creation I couldn't help but chuckle. It is so much in line with the Scriptural account of creation. In the Beginning God spoke everything into existence. From our perspective that might well look like a sudden explosion of "matter". It was His spoken Word that created things.
Then the Gospel of John tells us... In the Beginning was the Word. The Word was with God and the Word was God........ and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. (Jesus Christ)
...... now THOSE are difficult things for us to grasp. That is one of the many reasons they call it FAITH. :biggrin:
Quote from: kroz on August 12, 2015, 04:12:05 AM
Why do you assume He NEEDED to create heaven and earth?
He is the Creator and we are merely elements of His creation. While we reside on this earth we will be incapable of understanding the many facets of God. He created us with limitations..... for His purpose. It is not for us to second guess Him or define Him. He just IS. He is the great "I AM". That is how He defined Himself to Moses.
Way back when we first came out with the "Big Bang" theory of creation I couldn't help but chuckle. It is so much in line with the Scriptural account of creation. In the Beginning God spoke everything into existence. From our perspective that might well look like a sudden explosion of "matter". It was His spoken Word that created things.
Then the Gospel of John tells us... In the Beginning was the Word. The Word was with God and the Word was God........ and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. (Jesus Christ)
...... now THOSE are difficult things for us to grasp. That is one of the many reasons they call it FAITH. :biggrin:
I did not assume He NEEDED to create heaven and earth, he did.
Quote from: RedConMan on August 11, 2015, 11:50:31 PM
Well if the government is hurting our bill of rights, that is different. We legally don't have to obey them then. God also doesn't want us following a law that would ever hurt our freedom of religious belief, or something to hurt Christians.
@Walkstall a way I like to explain to my little brother and cousins, is like God to us, is like us to monkeys. They know we're here but they can't comprehend outer-space, government, money, math, history, etc. Just because God is a being beyond our comprehension, doesn't mean he doesn't exist. We are not that smart, to be honest.
QuoteJust because God is a being beyond our comprehension
God is not beyond my comprehension.
Quotedoesn't mean he doesn't exist
I do not say he doesn't exist.
QuoteWe are not that smart, to be honest.
Trust me I have been on earth a lot longer then you have, I know that. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: walkstall on August 12, 2015, 04:24:05 AM
I did not assume He NEEDED to create heaven and earth, he did.
Okay, that was just the way you worded it. If that is not what you really meant, I understand. You are right when you say "He did"..... do it. That is really all that matters.
Quote from: kroz on August 12, 2015, 04:44:12 AM
Okay, that was just the way you worded it. If that is not what you really meant, I understand. You are right when you say "He did"..... do it. That is really all that matters.
I have and always will be a person that asks WHY, WHY, WHY, WHY. I know it drives people nuts. But at my age I don't have much time left to learn all I can.
Quote from: walkstall on August 12, 2015, 05:23:00 AM
I have and always will be a person that asks WHY, WHY, WHY, WHY. I know it drives people nuts. But at my age I don't have much time left to learn all I can.
My best guess as to WHY He created us is that He desired a relationship that brought Him glory and honor.
I am reminded of when I was a kid and had an ant farm between two panes of glass. It was fascinating to me to watch these tiny creatures instinctively do the things they were created to do. They were utterly dependent upon me for sustenance but they did not realize it.
Scripture tells us that God's eye is on the sparrow. How much more important am I to God than the sparrow? Infinitely. ..... because I was created in His image. And I will live with Him in eternity.
What an utterly amazing God we have! :thumbsup:
Quote from: walkstall on August 12, 2015, 04:39:31 AM
God is not beyond my comprehension.
I do not say he doesn't exist.
Trust me I have been on earth a lot longer then you have, I know that. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Well if we are that smart, we wouldn't have all these problems on Earth going on, would we?
Quote from: RedConMan on August 13, 2015, 04:41:03 PM
Well if we are that smart, we wouldn't have all these problems on Earth going on, would we?
Yes we would. There are more losers then winners yet on earth.
Look who stay home and did not vote and look who voted for b o in the U.S. That's not even counting other countries. :ohmy:
Maybe the Republicans are smart haha :thumbsup: but most of us are idiots.
We haven't conquered the stars. We've been here anywhere from 6,000 years to 2 million depending on your beliefs, and we only made it to the moon 50 years ago.
Quote from: RedConMan on August 13, 2015, 05:10:07 PM
Maybe the Republicans are smart haha :thumbsup: but most of us are idiots.
We haven't conquered the stars. We've been here anywhere from 6,000 years to 2 million depending on your beliefs, and we only made it to the moon 50 years ago.
You have to start some place. Remember time is a man thing. :lol:
I don't believe Jesus fits into the parameter of "Liberal or Conservative" ....
when he returns ... he will put down the governments of men and he will rule the world with a rod of iron
Quote from: walkstall on August 13, 2015, 05:17:18 PM
You have to start some place. Remember time is a man thing. :lol:
I guess, but we've been here a long time. People aren't seeming to get any smarter unfortunately. :unsure:
Quote from: RedConMan on August 13, 2015, 11:28:43 PM
I guess, but we've been here a long time. People aren't seeming to get any smarter unfortunately. :unsure:
History only repeats itself because of mans willful ignorance and willingness to follow.
Emotion has a tendency to overpower commonsense as evidenced by liberalism.
indeed ...... Since we have accepted the technology of the atom and have rejected the sermon on the mount ..
we therefore now live in a society full of nuclear giants and ethical infants
Quote from: RedConMan on August 11, 2015, 12:04:56 AM
Is the J-Man a liberal or conservative? Cast your votes, friends.
I voted Conservative. I think he'd fit in between Conservative and Independent, but slightly closer to Conservative. There'd be no doubt about it, he is more conservative than a lot of people on social issues. But he wouldn't support all the wars and military, even though we have no choice but to protect ourselves. Here is where liberals think he is a liberal, he gave to others. Yes, he did, he scrubbed his followers feet even though he knew they snickered about him and turned on him. But here's the difference, liberals want to force assistance to the needy by taxes, God gave us free will, we can assist autonomously. Jesus assisted autonomously. I don't think he's power hungry, he seems like a pretty down to earth guy. :thumbup:
But on the military thing, we have no choice but to stand up against the baddies and protect our freedom, I do believe there is a possibility for a gray area, but I'm not a preist, I'm not even a big Jesus freak, but I do worship him and admire him.
It was hard to vote between Conservative or Independent, but I think the free-will is what puts him a little more under the conservative list.
You can vote whatever you want, but I ask you to not vote 'Conservative' just because you are conservative. Use what you know about him as you vote please. I voted conservative, mostly because of the social aspect.
There is no way to know for sure, the only way you could find out is by getting an answer straight from him. And I think Jesus has bigger things to worry about than American politics lol.
What attributes of liberalism would your Lord and Saviour choose over the ideals of American Conservatism?
NONE!
QuoteA wise man's heart leans to the right, but a fool's heart to the left -- God
There is no political spectrum within which The Christ would fit. Politics is mostly secular concerns. In fact just governments keep out of the religious beliefs of the citizenry.
Jesus, was ALL about our relationship with the Father, our spiritual health, the Love of the Father and his desire for us to love Him. While Christ left us instructions how to deal with our fellow humans, those instructions are to each individual separately. He even distinguished between honoring the laws of government, and honoring the Laws of the Father.
He also made it quite clear which we are to choose if the two conflict.
Christ is none of the options you give.
Since Monarch isn't one of the forms of governance offered by the poll.
Oh and fwiw, in his day, Christs message was very much liberal.
It was the Temple where you found, and still to this day find, the really Conservative Judaic's. His teaching that you don't need an intercessor between you and God, like that of John the Baptist really incensed the PTB of that day. The High priest in particular saw them both as a very serious threat to his own power and authority as the High Priest of the Temple. This is why he actively sought the murders of both. However by our standards today, looking at the same message within the Bible, it tells us Christ was very much the TEA Conservative. Clearly Christ was all for, social law and order. Which is what he himself meant when he said "render unto Caesar, what is Caesar's then" when questioned if they should pay tax. The lord very clearly taught us, and expects us, to obey the laws of the land in which we reside. :lol: