Glenn Beck has written a book that is long overdue in America. He is showing how ISIS is being true to the Quran. (Which is something I have long preached.)
This is a short preview of it by Beck.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/08/18/theres-something-very-different-about-glenn-becks-most-recent-book/
Quote from: kroz on August 18, 2015, 01:56:51 PM
Glenn Beck has written a book that is long overdue in America. He is showing how ISIS is being true to the Quran. (Which is something I have long preached.)
This is a short preview of it by Beck.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/08/18/theres-something-very-different-about-glenn-becks-most-recent-book/
This should be required reading before anyone votes.
Quote from: kroz on August 18, 2015, 01:56:51 PM
Glenn Beck has written a book that is long overdue in America. He is showing how ISIS is being true to the Quran. (Which is something I have long preached.)
This is a short preview of it by Beck.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/08/18/theres-something-very-different-about-glenn-becks-most-recent-book/
Of course they are. They're doing exactly what their founder did.
I know you take your Christian faith seriously, so I know you understand there are real Christians, and "christians" by culture. It's the culture they've adopted, but they don't fit the definition of a REAL Christian (If any man has not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His).
The world would have us believe the "real" Muslims are the non-violent ones. They are only Muslims CULTURALLY. They do not follow their "prophet." ISIS does. They do what their prophet commands. They are a mnority, but they are a very large and dangerous minority.
The followers of Christ bring peace (real peace). The followers of Muhammad bring death and misery.
Quote from: carlb on August 18, 2015, 03:57:36 PM
Of course they are. They're doing exactly what their founder did.
I know you take your Christian faith seriously, so I know you understand there are real Christians, and "christians" by culture. It's the culture they've adopted, but they don't fit the definition of a REAL Christian (If any man has not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His).
The world would have us believe the "real" Muslims are the non-violent ones. They are only Muslims CULTURALLY. They do not follow their "prophet." ISIS does. They do what their prophet commands. They are a mnority, but they are a very large and dangerous minority.
The followers of Christ bring peace (real peace). The followers of Muhammad bring death and misery.
Spot on!! The REAL muslims are the jihadies.
You are right. The other muslims are mostly cultural muslims.
Read about the first caliphate that formed right after Mohammed died. ISIS is doing exactly what they did.
Quote from: Dori on August 18, 2015, 04:18:46 PM
Read about the first caliphate that formed right after Mohammed died. ISIS is doing exactly what they did.
YES, you are absolutely correct, Dori!!
Quote from: kroz on August 18, 2015, 04:05:15 PM
Spot on!! The REAL muslims are the jihadies.
You are right. The other muslims are mostly cultural muslims.
Here is an unusual portrait of three Moslem English girls who ran off to join Jihad.
In the final analysis, it does not look good, from our point of view, to encourage this
influx of Middle Eastern immigration under the lie of multi cultural life.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/18/world/europe/jihad-and-girl-power-how-isis-lured-3-london-teenagers.html
Quote from: red_dirt on August 19, 2015, 12:13:09 PM
Here is an unusual portrait of three Moslem English girls who ran off to join Jihad.
In the final analysis, it does not look good, from our point of view, to encourage this
influx of Middle Eastern immigration under the lie of multi cultural life.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/18/world/europe/jihad-and-girl-power-how-isis-lured-3-london-teenagers.html
Could be the Moslem English girls were promised all them male studs virgins.
Quote from: red_dirt on August 19, 2015, 12:13:09 PM
Here is an unusual portrait of three Moslem English girls who ran off to join Jihad.
In the final analysis, it does not look good, from our point of view, to encourage this
influx of Middle Eastern immigration under the lie of multi cultural life.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/18/world/europe/jihad-and-girl-power-how-isis-lured-3-london-teenagers.html
The irony is that these girls saw absolutely no conflict between their own religious teaching and the behavior of ISIS. It matches their own understanding of the Quran.
They likely perceived the jihadists as men with the courage to live their faith! ..... unlike the men of their own community. So, they were doing something of religious conscience.
Quote from: walkstall on August 19, 2015, 12:38:39 PM
Could be the Moslem English girls were promised all them male studs virgins.
Pretty much. I hope they look forward to being passed around I have a feeling they don't understand their fate until its too late. They will pray for death.
Quote from: carlb on August 18, 2015, 03:57:36 PM
Of course they are. They're doing exactly what their founder did.
I know you take your Christian faith seriously, so I know you understand there are real Christians, and "christians" by culture. It's the culture they've adopted, but they don't fit the definition of a REAL Christian (If any man has not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His).
The world would have us believe the "real" Muslims are the non-violent ones. They are only Muslims CULTURALLY. They do not follow their "prophet." ISIS does. They do what their prophet commands. They are a mnority, but they are a very large and dangerous minority.
The followers of Christ bring peace (real peace). The followers of Muhammad bring death and misery.
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.Matthew 10:34
Christians can be, and have been in history, guilty of the same sort of barbarism and savagery we see ISIS guilty of today.
The difference is that the "Christian culture" you speak of, evolved/grew up. Around about the 17th century relatively.
Compared to these fourth century ISIS barbarian followers of a false god, at the behest of a false prophet.
Quote from: daidalos on August 19, 2015, 12:47:57 PM
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.Matthew 10:34
Christians can be, and have been in history, guilty of the same sort of barbarism and savagery we see ISIS guilty of today.
The difference is that the "Christian culture" you speak of, evolved/grew up. Around about the 17th century relatively.
Compared to these fourth century ISIS barbarian followers of a false god, at the behest of a false prophet.
That's either ignorance on your part, or a damn lie. I'll say you're just ignorant.
Quote from: carlb on August 19, 2015, 12:44:37 PM
Pretty much. I hope they look forward to being passed around I have a feeling they don't understand their fate until its too late. They will pray for death.
They said at the end of the video that the one girl they featured was now married and living in a portion of ISIS controlled Syria. No word about the other two.... unless I missed it.
Quote from: kroz link=topirc=21498.msg258746#msg258746 date=1440014182
They said at the end of the video that the one girl they featured was now married and living in a portion of ISIS controlled Syria. No word about the other two.... unless I missed it.
"Married", isn't what we think of marriage. I know you know that. Sources I've read say captured women/girls, the " choicest" go to the fighters (the girls don't have a choice). The rest are thown in the communal pot where they are gang raped until???
Thankfully, these 3 girls aren't real English girls. They look like Muslim immigrants who made the decision to return to their satanic roots in hell where they originated.
Quote from: kroz on August 19, 2015, 12:41:04 PM
They likely perceived the jihadists as men with the courage to live their faith! ..... unlike the men of their own community. So, they were doing something of religious conscience.
Thanks for catching that. That theme was not completely between the lines, but close. The entire scenario reflects on the breakdown of British culture, some would say
intentional breakdown.
A recent questionnaire returned the suggestion that 49% of English men now claim sexual identities other than strictly heterosexual. Brits have stood by in awe at immigration policies and nations within the nation, while the left churns out constant ideological justification, the people too weakened by correctness and dependency to resist. For money reasons, the free ride the Moslems have been accustomed to has started to tighten. In these young womens' minds (notice, they were all A students) their reason is not to analyze it, just know that is the reality of it.
So, the picture being painted is a young people of marrying age looking around and taking a chance life will be better in the Moslem world, where they belonged all along, and with terrorists, no less. No doubt the young men experience parallel lives.
I am not really racked with guilt at what the left wing has accomplished to this nation. But I am amazed and ashamed that we stood by and let it happen, on this national level.
Quote from: carlb on August 19, 2015, 01:22:18 PM
"Married", isn't what we think of marriage. I know you know that. Sources I've read say captured women/girls, the " choicest" go to the fighters (the girls don't have a choice). The rest are thown in the communal pot where they are gang raped until???
Thankfully, these 3 girls aren't real English girls. They look like Muslim immigrants who made the decision to return to their satanic roots in hell where they originated.
Muslim girls are taught that they are the possession of a man. Their father owns them until he gives them away in marriage. All women must be under the oversight of a man all their lives!! They have no autonomy and don't expect it. They are brainwashed into believing they are objects to be owned. As a result there is virtually no divorce in the muslim culture. The only divorces are basically for the purpose of short term use of a prostitute by a muslim man. He marries her and turns around and divorces her. That only requires him to say "I divorce you" three times. No paperwork required!
It is definitely a man's world in muslim nations.
Quote from: carlb on August 19, 2015, 12:51:59 PM
That's either ignorance on your part, or a damn lie. I'll say you're just ignorant.
Really is that so...guess you've never heard of the inquisition.
Quote from: daidalos on August 19, 2015, 01:33:00 PM
Really is that so...guess you've never heard of the inquisition.
It is more important to get the time lines straight than to bicker and accuse one another of ignorance. I have read into it quite a bit, since 9-11-01, and have to say, I went through most of my life with a huge knowledge gap, I still don't have enough time to make up for a life of ignorance.
Islam was created in the 7th century, some say around 650 AD. Some also say for the purpose of eliminating the spread of Christianity and Judaism through the Middle East.
There was another period of barbarism in the 17th century, following the Protestant revolt. This study starts with the (suppressed) knowledge of the Jesuit Order.
The Plymouth Bay Colony and Jamestown were staffed by Europeans escaping persecution in Europe, mostly France and England.
I'm reading now about the role of the Saudi families in establishing the Islamic States.
More indications of how puny and cowardly the west has become:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/19/isis-al-qaida-myths-terrorism-war-mistakes-9-11
You know, new book out, can't wait to read it. :woot:
Quote from: red_dirt on August 19, 2015, 03:22:05 PM
It is more important to get the time lines straight than to bicker and accuse one another of ignorance. I have read into it quite a bit, since 9-11-01, and have to say, I went through most of my life with a huge knowledge gap, I still don't have enough time to make up for a life of ignorance.
Islam was created in the 7th century, some say around 650 AD. Some also say for the purpose of eliminating the spread of Christianity and Judaism through the Middle East.
There was another period of barbarism in the 17th century, following the Protestant revolt. This study starts with the (suppressed) knowledge of the Jesuit Order.
The Plymouth Bay Colony and Jamestown were staffed by Europeans escaping persecution in Europe, mostly France and England.
I'm reading now about the role of the Saudi families in establishing the Islamic States.
Yeah, when you look back at history the warfare was mostly in accordance with the practices of their era. I went to a museum in the Czech Republic with the war paraphernalia of the 14th century.... and earlier. It was barbaric. This was the time frame in which the Moravian Christians (now Czech Republic) were severely persecuted and killed. The great theologian of that day was John Huss.... and he was burned at the stake. The Moravian Church was the first (since the New Testament) to send out missionaries to foreign lands. Their first missionaries came to the new world Caribbean Islands.
Quote from: daidalos on August 19, 2015, 01:33:00 PM
Really is that so...guess you've never heard of the inquisition.
You missed the entire point of my conversation with kroz.
The FOLLOWERS of Jesus live according to His words.
The true FOLLOWERS of Muhammadism live according to the words of Muhammad.
ISIS follows the words of Muhammad.
Did the people who you mention live according to the words of Jesus? If so, cite where he commanded what you're criticizing. Those words cannot be found.
ISIS can justify their actions by the words of their prophet.
We were discussing the difference between the TRUE FOLLOWERS of each religion and those born into a religion (cultural Muslims or Christians).
Also, what you criticize was a RESPONSE to the Muslims m conquest of Europe. As Rush says, the aggressor sets the rules.
Google the video,Why We Are Afraid.
Quote from: carlb on August 19, 2015, 04:39:41 PM
You missed the entire point of my conversation with kroz.
The FOLLOWERS of Jesus live according to His words.
The true FOLLOWERS of Muhammadism live according to the words of Muhammad.
ISIS follows the words of Muhammad.
Did the people who you mention live according to the words of Jesus? If so, cite where he commanded what you're criticizing. Those words cannot be found.
ISIS can justify their actions by the words of their prophet.
We were discussing the difference between the TRUE FOLLOWERS of each religion and those born into a religion (cultural Muslims or Christians).
Also, what you criticize was a RESPONSE to the Muslims m conquest of Europe. As Rush says, the aggressor sets the rules.
Google the video,Why We Are Afraid.
The inquisition resulted precisely from "thou shalt have no other God before me". And I've already given you the direct quote from Christ himself, where he stated flat out he didn't come to bring the world peace. Despite what popular culture would have us all think, Jesus, nor the Father are lovey dovey guys with white beards sitting on clouds strumming their harps.
Pick up the bible sometime and actually read it, instead of buying into the popularist "god loves everybody" crap.
Because he doesn't. Well, at least according to the founding documents of both Judaism and Christianity that is.
The only violent act of Jesus we have recorded is when he drove the merchants out of the Temple. (Apparently twice.)
A few of the violent acts of Muhammad we have recorded are:
-- when he led raids on caravans (he led pirates in the desert)
-- when he exterminated an entire tribe of Jewish people in Medina
(to punish them for not joining his war against Mecca, when Mecca came to shut down his piracy operation)
(He ordered the execution of all males old enough to have pubic hair, and sold everyone else into slavery.)
-- when he ordered the execution of two women who had, years earlier, made songs mocking him
(The killing of people who draw Muhammad is EXACTLY the same kind of thing Muhammad himself did!)
(Wikipedia has a fairly good article about the life of Muhammad.)
Most of the various Inquisitions during the Middle Ages were a PERVERSION of Christianity.
The Spanish Inquisition wasn't all bad. It was mostly to drive the Muslims out of Spain
(who had ruled Spain for the previous seven hundred years.)
When Jesus said in Matthew 10:34 "I come not to bring peace, but a sword"
he immediately explains that the conflict will be
Christians being attacked by members of their own family.
Sometimes I feel tempted to advocate an all-out war to exterminate Muslims.
But then I remember that, these days, many Muslims in Africa and even in Iran are converting to Christianity.
In Africa, it often happens that an entire mosque converts to Christianity!
So, probably, the best thing to do is to support regimes like the one that now rules Egypt - regimes that oppose the Muslim Brotherhood.
And, as Barry Soetoro (alias Barack Obama) refused to do,
support popular uprisings like the one a few years ago that could have solved ALL our problems with Iran!
Quote from: kroz on August 19, 2015, 01:31:55 PM
Muslim girls are taught that they are the possession of a man. Their father owns them until he gives them away in marriage. All women must be under the oversight of a man all their lives!! They have no autonomy and don't expect it. They are brainwashed into believing they are objects to be owned. As a result there is virtually no divorce in the muslim culture. The only divorces are basically for the purpose of short term use of a prostitute by a muslim man. He marries her and turns around and divorces her. That only requires him to say "I divorce you" three times. No paperwork required!
It is definitely a man's world in muslim nations.
Glad you said this. Now, I've got a burning, no-scalding, question about Democratic women everywhere. How the heck do any of these progressive women think they'll be a ble to survive living amongst Muslims? Given all that is true in your above synopsis, our American women simply won't put up with this chit. There'd be some heads rolling in my neck of the woods and it wouldn't be heads of any women I know. Of course, you know I'm speaking of Conservative women, the libs would just roll over and cry and blame it all on us. You see? It is the libs that go about shouting that everything is unfair to women. How they going to feel when one of these desert savages takes them and their daughters on an "enlightenment trip"? Maybe that's what it'll take for them. Maybe they have secret yearnings to be ravaged by these idiots, you know-la la land.
Quote from: keyboarder on August 21, 2015, 07:36:01 AM
Glad you said this. Now, I've got a burning, no-scalding, question about Democratic women everywhere. How the heck do any of these progressive women think they'll be a ble to survive living amongst Muslims? Given all that is true in your above synopsis, our American women simply won't put up with this chit. There'd be some heads rolling in my neck of the woods and it wouldn't be heads of any women I know. Of course, you know I'm speaking of Conservative women, the libs would just roll over and cry and blame it all on us. You see? It is the libs that go about shouting that everything is unfair to women. How they going to feel when one of these desert savages takes them and their daughters on an "enlightenment trip"? Maybe that's what it'll take for them. Maybe they have secret yearnings to be ravaged by these idiots, you know-la la land.
They are liberals. That means we cannot make sense out of nonsense.
The feminized, or should we say emasculated culture, is one of the signs that most encourages Islam to wage Jihad. So, now we turn and ask, "What do we do now, Mom? Is it all right to use the word, Islam?"
Cheer up, guys, Hillary will save us. Hillary and John will give them a stern talking to.
Quote from: daidalos on August 19, 2015, 08:31:55 PM
The inquisition resulted precisely from "thou shalt have no other God before me". And I've already given you the direct quote from Christ himself, where he stated flat out he didn't come to bring the world peace. Despite what popular culture would have us all think, Jesus, nor the Father are lovey dovey guys with white beards sitting on clouds strumming their harps.
Pick up the bible sometime and actually read it, instead of buying into the popularist "god loves everybody" crap.
Because he doesn't. Well, at least according to the founding documents of both Judaism and Christianity that is.
You are making little distinction between human agency powermongering in the name of God, and what His will and intention actually are, which makes you nearly as ignorant as those who have vaingloriously committed atrocity in His name. As of the Gospels, neither the Father nor the Son wish for or condone violence committed by mortals upon mortals in their names. All instances of this are entirely our failing in every Christian sense.
God has infinite love and faith in all of us that we can overcome our failings, and at one time, was not very tolerant of our weakness. He still isnt, because He knows better than we realize ourselves how much better we can be. Thanks to the sacrifice made by His son, His wrath is stayed until our time in this world is done.
God isnt much different from any other parent.
How frustrated would you be if you had a remarkably talented child who obstinantly refused to work at developing that talent, and what good would you do them in witholding your rebuke and chastisement? And do you love them less for applying the rod?