They have the money, and thanks to Obama, they'll have the resources.
Quote"The terrorists plan on killing several hundred million people. The west is drastically underestimating the power of ISIS. ISIS intends to get its hands on nuclear weapons," says Todenhofer, calling the group a "nuclear tsunami preparing the largest religious cleansing in history."
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/28/l-todd-wood-isis-planning-nuclear-tsunami/
There is nothing like having a buddy in the WH.... :scared:
They don't need nukes to kill millions, all they have to do is slip in a few ebola victims or typhoid cases in with these "refugee's". Sit back and watch the fun....after all the stupid USA lets these people in without screening them.
Back in 2002 that was Al Q'ieda's plan, send plague infected human virus 'bombs' into the USA, these guys have a better chance of puling it off since Hussein is so eager to accept 100K or so of these potential infectee's.
A suitcase nuke would be so easy to transport across the border. THEN we'll wish Trump built his wall!
QuoteA suitcase nuke or suitcase bomb is a very compact and portable nuclear weapon and could have the dimensions of 60 x 40 x 20 centimeters or 24 x 16 x 8 inches. The smallest possible bomb-like object would be a single critical mass of plutonium (or U-233) at maximum density under normal conditions.
The Pu-239 weighs 10.5 kg and is 10.1 cm across. It doesn't take much more than a single critical mass to cause significant explosions ranging from 10-20 tons. These types of weapons can also be as big as two footlockers
http://www.nationalterroralert.com/suitcasenuke/
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Quote from: carlb on September 29, 2015, 04:20:28 PM
A suitcase nuke would be so easy to transport across the border. THEN we'll wish Trump built his wall!
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You aren't seriously suggesting that Trump should be elected?
Oh, and no wall is going to deter a suitcase sized nuke.
Quote from: carlb on September 29, 2015, 04:20:28 PM
A suitcase nuke would be so easy to transport across the border. THEN we'll wish Trump built his wall!
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We still have safeguards in place that can detect nuclear material small enough to fit in a suitcase bomb....At least I hope they are still in place but with Hussein around who knows.....we are ineffeicent at detecting diseases or too lax....look how many Mexicans sneak into the country untested or unchecked.
Quote from: Solar on September 29, 2015, 04:24:03 PM
You aren't seriously suggesting that Trump should be elected?
Oh, and no wall is going to deter a suitcase sized nuke.
We've been thru this several times.
No, but border security is the number one issue.
If fences don't work, we'll take that one down that surrounds the White House.
Yes, a WALL is another VERY effective layer of national security.
Quote from: carlb on September 29, 2015, 04:27:25 PM
We've been thru this several times.
No, but border security is the number one issue.
If fences don't work, we'll take that one down that surrounds the White House.
Yes, a WALL is another VERY effective layer of national security.
Thats why the terrorists have already
discussed putting such device on a freighter and crashing it into a port like Galveston or Baltimore or in a small plane and fly it FROM VENEZUELA into the USA...after all if you can get 100 lbs of Cocaine or other drugs in the country you can get a like amount of Nuke material.
A wall would be irrelevant in both cases unfortunately.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on September 29, 2015, 04:34:16 PM
Thats why the terrorists have already discussed putting such device on a freighter and crashing it into a port like Galveston or Baltimore or in a small plane and fly it FROM VENEZUELA into the USA...after all if you can get 100 lbs of Cocaine or other drugs in the country you can get a like amount of Nuke material.
A wall would be irrelevant in both cases unfortunately.
They WILL do it!
Quote from: carlb on September 29, 2015, 04:27:25 PM
We've been thru this several times.
No, but border security is the number one issue.
If fences don't work, we'll take that one down that surrounds the White House.
Yes, a WALL is another VERY effective layer of national security.
:biggrin:
I was just yankin yer chain...
I can think of a lot of things besides using nukes. I imagine our security forces have thought up lots of things too, even if just to prepare for them.
Quote from: kroz on September 29, 2015, 04:37:35 PM
They WILL do it!
As I've stated, these were viable plans of AQ terrorists in the past....like around 2005, when that Banana Famer Chavez was in power and willing to go along with crazy stunts like that but one of the main deterrents to success of such plan was the vigilance of US forces particularly the Navy.
Now with a dumbed down Navy & reduced fleet they might decide to give it a try. That and blow up the Panama canal.
Quote from: Dori on September 29, 2015, 04:48:48 PM
I can think of a lot of things besides using nukes. I imagine our security forces have thought up lots of things too, even if just to prepare for them.
That's the thing, why waste your time smuggling in a nuke that might take out a city block, when you can buy tons of poison on the open market that could effect millions.
I know of several scenarios that could wreck havoc, but I don't want to give these fools any ideas.
Quote from: Dori on September 29, 2015, 04:48:48 PM
I can think of a lot of things besides using nukes. I imagine our security forces have thought up lots of things too, even if just to prepare for them.
What would that be? What could do more damage than a small nuke smuggled across our open border into a large city? I'm talking about independent terrorists with connections, not nations setting off a nuke over the center of our country.
I only pray that our Idiot-in -Chief is out soon enough to repair our national security.
Quote from: carlb on September 29, 2015, 05:02:31 PM
What would that be? What could do more damage than a small nuke smuggled across our open border into a large city?
Like Solar, I wouldn't want to give anyone any ideas or get any visits.
When they say "Death to America!" they MEAN it!
Quote from: Dori on September 29, 2015, 04:48:48 PM
I can think of a lot of things besides using nukes. I imagine our security forces have thought up lots of things too, even if just to prepare for them.
"Our enemies are resourceful and innovative, and so are we.
They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
-- George W. Bush
ISIS is like a yapping poodle. All bark, no bite.
Quote from: The Fiscal Conservative on September 29, 2015, 06:49:35 PM
ISIS is like a yapping poodle. All bark, no bite.
How do you explain all the people they executed?
Quote from: The Fiscal Conservative on September 29, 2015, 06:49:35 PM
ISIS is like a yapping poodle. All bark, no bite.
Yeah! They're the JV team! Barry says so!
Quote from: The Fiscal Conservative on September 29, 2015, 06:49:35 PM
ISIS is like a yapping poodle. All bark, no bite.
Really? You might want to consider that at least 5000 of them have travel visas and aren't on any no fly lists.
A lot of very educated people are working with ISIS.
Quote from: Dori on September 29, 2015, 05:16:11 PM
Like Solar, I wouldn't want to give anyone any ideas or get any visits.
If you can think it so can they. This is why I am so confused. Why would the entire world have let ISIS go as far as they already have? They have already been killing everyone that isn't paying loyalty to ISIS. This is going to be way worse than even the Holocaust. Not in any way disrespectful of Holocaust. We can never forget the horrors of the Holocaust. Everyone is a target with ISIS. They should have been stopped immediately. They are even crazier than Al Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood, and all of the other extremist terrorist groups.
I dared to go to images the other day. This group isn't motivated by twisted morality. They are all over the place. Disgusting.
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on September 29, 2015, 08:18:47 PM
If you can think it so can they. This is why I am so confused. Why would the entire world have let ISIS go as far as they already have?
Why did the world let Hitler go as far as he did? Plus, there has been no leadership to put together a coalition willing to fight them. The British and the French seem to be coming around now, but Europe is being overran by the refugees, much like they were during WWII by eastern Europeans. But look who has decided to take the lead. Russia. That's a whole new can of worms.
Quote from: Dori on September 29, 2015, 09:02:48 PM
Why did the world let Hitler go as far as he did? Plus, there has been no leadership to put together a coalition willing to fight them. The British and the French seem to be coming around now, but Europe is being overran by the refugees, much like they were during WWII by eastern Europeans. But look who has decided to take the lead. Russia. That's a whole new can of worms.
I hold Obama responsible, although Europe should have been on it too. That's what's so confusing to me. That they let it happen. Yes it is a whole new can of worms. Russia has an agenda in the ME. Obama is letting Iran and Russia get dangerous to the world. Imagine. Russia and Iran as super powers with nukes. Joining together.
Quote from: Dori on September 29, 2015, 09:02:48 PM
Why did the world let Hitler go as far as he did? Plus, there has been no leadership to put together a coalition willing to fight them. The British and the French seem to be coming around now, but Europe is being overran by the refugees, much like they were during WWII by eastern Europeans. But look who has decided to take the lead. Russia. That's a whole new can of worms.
In 1943, Congressman Martin Dies of Texas held hearings to inquire about who financed Hitler's rise to power. They found that a major source of Hitler's funding came from a corporation founded in NYC in 1929, headed by ... Prescott Bush! Father of George H.W. Bush! Grandfather of Jeb! and W!
Some historians think that WWII was arranged by the ruling clique to have everybody fight everybody, to beat everybody down, and make them desperate for a United Nations.
British PM David Cameron was on CBS this morning saying that Britain is funding refugee camps in Jordan and Lebanon, to keep the refugees there, so they don't invade Europe. Sounds smart to me.
Who ever would have thought that
Russia would be the stabilizing influence in the world? :ohmy:
But with the community organizer (rabble rouser - we finally see what a "community organizer" is!)
doing to the world what he did to Chicago, Russia actually is an improvement!
B.S./B.O. is completely committed to his dogma that America is the source of all evil in the world, and that "local, indigenous people" like ISIS (who are coming from all over the world to join ISIS!) are right to throw off the "colonial rule" that America has imposed.
America's abandonment of stabilizing influence will NOT, in the long run, lead to self-government for Middle Eastern people. It opens the door for
Russia to become the region's power broker!
One way all this could work out for good is for all the fanatic Muslims to go join ISIS, so the savages will all be in one place to be exterminated!
Quote from: je_freedom on September 29, 2015, 07:37:30 PM
Yeah! They're the JV team! Barry says so!
And his lackey's here parrot the same. Thank God the real JV team is on it's way out of our Government next november. :lol:
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on September 29, 2015, 09:13:26 PM
I hold Obama responsible, although Europe should have been on it too. That's what's so confusing to me. That they let it happen. Yes it is a whole new can of worms. Russia has an agenda in the ME. Obama is letting Iran and Russia get dangerous to the world. Imagine. Russia and Iran as super powers with nukes. Joining together.
Iran and Russia, even combined, don't have the internal economic viability to sustain that status. Which actually, believe it or not, in the end, makes them even more dangerous not less.
Why the hell Obama's giving Iran nukes is simply beyond both belief as well as beyond sheer incompetency.
IF Obama's ever proven one thing, it's this.
We need too and should amend the Constitution to allow the Congress to impeach a President for being a complete and absolute incompetent boob, like this President is.
Quote from: The Fiscal Conservative on September 29, 2015, 06:49:35 PM
ISIS is like a yapping poodle. All bark, no bite.
Could you share why this is your belief? They are doing a pretty good job of taking territory and spreading terror in the ME. Do you suggest we ignore ISIS?
Quote from: supsalemgr on September 30, 2015, 04:23:26 AM
Could you share why this is your belief? They are doing a pretty good job of taking territory and spreading terror in the ME. Do you suggest we ignore ISIS?
Expect to see an article from the UN, or better yet the WH, explaining why ISIS is not a threat and how this is all Bush's fault. As a capper, he'll say prove they're wrong. :biggrin:
Quote from: The Fiscal Conservative on September 29, 2015, 06:49:35 PM
ISIS is like a yapping poodle. All bark, no bite.
That really was a dumb atatement!
You say that from the comfort of your Christian nation not yet under Sharia. They control more land than Great Britain. And the lives of those living there are a living hell.
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Quote from: The Fiscal Conservative on September 29, 2015, 06:49:35 PM
ISIS is like a yapping poodle. All bark, no bite.
More like a sneaky rabid coyote.....Their strategy of recruiting idiots in the USA to kill servicemen and attack our citizen's in '
Petite Guer' is working very well.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on September 30, 2015, 06:14:07 AM
More like a sneaky rabid coyote.....Their strategy of recruiting idiots in the USA to kill servicemen and attack our citizen's in 'Petite Guer' is working very well.
According to a new Homeland Security report, we are in more danger now than ever before. We are losing in the struggle to keep Americans from the battlefield and coming back.
Not only danger from here, but from Europe. It's estimated that 4500 western Europeans have joined ISIS and they have travel visas. It's also estimated that 2% of the refugees traveling to Europe are ISIS or their sympathizers.
https://homeland.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/TaskForceFinalReport.pdf
Quote from: Dori on September 30, 2015, 10:08:19 AM
According to a new Homeland Security report, we are in more danger now than ever before. We are losing in the struggle to keep Americans from the battlefield and coming back.
Not only danger from here, but from Europe. It's estimated that 4500 western Europeans have joined ISIS and they have travel visas. It's also estimated that 2% of the refugees traveling to Europe are ISIS or their sympathizers.
https://homeland.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/TaskForceFinalReport.pdf
I have huge doubts that would be native white Europeans. Probably the vast majority are muslim settlers (colonists) living in Europe and probably have citizenship in a European country.
Quote from: carlb on September 30, 2015, 11:39:53 AM
I have huge doubts that would be native white Europeans. Probably the vast majority are muslim settlers (colonists) living in Europe and probably have citizenship in a European country.
WHY?? Look how many native whites voted for a Dem.
Quote from: walkstall on September 30, 2015, 11:53:59 AM
WHY?? Look how many native whites voted for a Dem.
Because nobody's presented EVIDENCE.
Every time this comes up, we find out, almost always, that these "kids" are MUSLIM, coming from MUSLIM families in Europe.
They're simply returning to their MUSLIM roots. This is why Muslim "immigration" must be stopped.
Quote from: carlb on September 30, 2015, 11:39:53 AM
I have huge doubts that would be native white Europeans. Probably the vast majority are muslim settlers (colonists) living in Europe and probably have citizenship in a European country.
What difference does it make? If they have European travel visas, what's going to prevent them from showing up here?
Quote from: Dori on September 30, 2015, 02:24:15 PM
What difference does it make? If they have European travel visas, what's going to prevent them from showing up here?
We need to reinstate profiling and scrutinize all incoming middle easterners. :thumbup:
Quote from: Dori on September 30, 2015, 02:24:15 PM
What difference does it make? If they have European travel visas, what's going to prevent them from showing up here?
The DIFFERENCE is the SOURCE of the problem. Young EUROPEANS, or MUSLIM colonists who return to their roots. It reflects the need to CHANGE IMMIGRATION POLICY before an entire ARMY forms within "our" own borders. Lincoln warnd THAT would be America's downfall -- the enemy WITHIN.
Beyond that, I can't explain "what difference does it make."
Quote from: carlb on September 30, 2015, 11:39:53 AM
I have huge doubts that would be native white Europeans. Probably the vast majority are muslim settlers (colonists) living in Europe and probably have citizenship in a European country.
You are probably right but don't get too into "Transplanted muslims" as the only likely suspects.
I know for a fact there were and are now a number of WHITE European and Muslims that have been engaged in Islamic terrorist activity. I would cite the case of "taliban Johhny John Lindh captured in AFghanistan as the best know case.
I know for a fact ISIS is trying to recruit more especially white Americans and British/Aussies then you have those murderous Chechins There is never a shortage of these A-hole wannabees who think going to fight for ISIS would be some grand lark. I don;t see the State Dept taking steps to stop them either....like pulling passports
I know of two WHITE American, supposedly Muslim converts who were caught smuggling a large amount of CASH to Abu Sayef Terrorists in the Southern Philippines around 2001, they got their passports revoked after being remanded to the US EMbassy for deportation.
We hear when they're white. They make a big deal out of it and they're rare. Kinda like when a black guy gets killed. If the killer is white, it's all over the news. When that's reversed, race is never mentioned.
Muslims, living amongst us, as citizens, returning to their roots, is important information. Calling them "Europeans" is deliberately deceptive.
Remember Jihadi John? Remember the strong British accent? Remember thinking he must be a native Brit?
Google Jihadi John, and see that he is an ARAB who grew up in Britain. He's not a real Brit. He's a colonist how returned to his roots. We have them in america too. I don't see them as american, and neither do they. They are the enemy within.
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Quote from: carlb on September 29, 2015, 02:27:30 PM
They have the money, and thanks to Obama, they'll have the resources.
With literally thousands of Chechneian Muslim terrorist belonging to ISIS could that be the real reason for the rapid involvement of Russia in Syria? Putin has no love for these people. Remember the theater that these same terrorist killed all the Russian hostages? If ISIS got a nuclear weapon Russia is also a credible target!
Quote from: redbeard on September 30, 2015, 05:05:55 PM
With literally thousands of Chechneian Muslim terrorist belonging to ISIS could that be the real reason for the rapid involvement of Russia in Syria? Putin has no love for these people. Remember the theater that these same terrorist killed all the Russian hostages? If ISIS got a nuclear weapon Russia is also a credible target!
Putin has a vested interest in Wiping out ISIS, they are not just a threat to SYria but a threat to Iran Russians BIG TIME oil supplier and ALLY....don;t forget the Iranians want to be top dog in the world of Islam that means THEY want to be the center of the worldwide Caliphate....no room for these miscreant ISIS turds.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on September 30, 2015, 05:14:33 PM
Putin has a vested interest in Wiping out ISIS, they are not just a threat to SYria but a threat to Iran Russians BIG TIME oil supplier and ALLY....don;t forget the Iranians want to be top dog in the world of Islam that means THEY want to be the center of the worldwide Caliphate....no room for these miscreant ISIS turds.
Russia isn't bombing ISIS. They're bombing the western backed opposition army.
Quote from: Dori on September 30, 2015, 05:27:41 PM
Russia isn't bombing ISIS. They're bombing the western backed opposition army.
All 5 of them?
Quote from: Dori on September 30, 2015, 05:27:41 PM
Russia isn't bombing ISIS. They're bombing the western backed opposition army.
The Opposition army" Consists of a few Generals who would love to seize power from Assad and establish their own Kleptocracy, while it is important to prop up Assad, the real purpose is to cushion Iran.
I would guess this strike was to send a message to the resistance to come to terms with Russia and Assad! Something big is coming. Russia in not known for surgical strikes. They will go for the heart of ISIS but do not want to have to fight on 2 fronts.
The real question I have is are we ready? If Russia does attack hard and fast there will be a mass exodus of ISIS from Syria to Iraq. are we ready to take out those forces as they move? :popcorn:
Quote from: redbeard on September 30, 2015, 05:50:42 PM
I would guess this strike was to send a message to the resistance to come to terms with Russia and Assad! Something big is coming. Russia in not known for surgical strikes. They will go for the heart of ISIS but do not want to have to fight on 2 fronts.
The real question I have is are we ready? If Russia does attack hard and fast there will be a mass exodus of ISIS from Syria to Iraq. are we ready to take out those forces as they move? :popcorn:
Doubtful....if we had a real President who would listen to his Pentagon this would be a good strategy
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on September 30, 2015, 06:01:42 PM
Doubtful....if we had a real President who would listen to his Pentagon this would be a good strategy
If they are able to move their Syrian forces into Iraqi cities what kind of mess will that create? They need to nail them in the open desert as they move! I still remember the long lines of pick up trucks when they first went into Iraq! God, what a good place for a cluster bomb!! just a few A10's would destroy them if they are caught in the desert! :popcorn: :popcorn:
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on September 30, 2015, 05:39:25 PM
The Opposition army" Consists of a few Generals who would love to seize power from Assad and establish their own Kleptocracy, while it is important to prop up Assad, the real purpose is to cushion Iran.
I think there's a whole lot more going on than just propping up Assad. Russia wants airfields and naval bases in the ME. It's also a good way to ingratiate themselves with the Europeans by stopping the refugees. Putin wants more than anything to destroy our NATO alliances.
Quote from: redbeard on September 30, 2015, 05:50:42 PM
I would guess this strike was to send a message to the resistance to come to terms with Russia and Assad! Something big is coming. Russia in not known for surgical strikes. They will go for the heart of ISIS but do not want to have to fight on 2 fronts.
The real question I have is are we ready? If Russia does attack hard and fast there will be a mass exodus of ISIS from Syria to Iraq. are we ready to take out those forces as they move? :popcorn:
First, I think Putin wants to stabilize Assad. Then he can go full bore on ISIS and it will not be surgical as redbeard suggests. If the scenario of driving them into Iraq is correct it would be perfect for us if Obama was serious. Having ISIS moving would make them sitting ducks looking for cover. However, he would not take that gift on a platter.
Quote from: supsalemgr on October 01, 2015, 04:56:25 AM
First, I think Putin wants to stabilize Assad. Then he can go full bore on ISIS and it will not be surgical as redbeard suggests. If the scenario of driving them into Iraq is correct it would be perfect for us if Obama was serious. Having ISIS moving would make them sitting ducks looking for cover. However, he would not take that gift on a platter.
You are right on this. It would expose Bozo even further but who is looking for that? :unsure: We've already seen enough BS from Bozo in that he is in support of ISIS-no matter what he says.?
It appears that the main recipients of Putin's wrath is Syrian civilians.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/10/01/cia-backed-rebels-civilians-reportedly-targeted-by-russian-airstrikes-in-syria/?intcmp=hpbt1&cmpid=NL_morninghl
Quote from: kroz on October 01, 2015, 05:38:12 AM
It appears that the main recipients of Putin's wrath is Syrian civilians.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/10/01/cia-backed-rebels-civilians-reportedly-targeted-by-russian-airstrikes-in-syria/?intcmp=hpbt1&cmpid=NL_morninghl
With the record of this administration in Libya and Egypt and Iraq, I have no doubt "we" back ISIS.
Quote from: carlb on October 01, 2015, 05:41:19 AM
With the record of this administration in Libya and Egypt and Iraq, I have no doubt "we" back ISIS.
The entire world seems to be bowing to ISIS. It is utterly baffling!
We don't have a real leader steering any western power. There isn't a spine to be found anywhere.
Quote from: kroz on October 01, 2015, 05:46:33 AM
The entire world seems to be bowing to ISIS. It is utterly baffling!
We don't have a real leader steering any western power. There isn't a spine to be found anywhere.
It is baffling. Sure, they are horrible thugs and heathens preying on the innocent. However, they have no air force. They have some seized/stolen equipment, but no way to re-supply or repair it. Look what we did to the Iraqi forces in the Gulf War. It could be the same with a little resolve.
Quote from: kroz on October 01, 2015, 05:38:12 AM
It appears that the main recipients of Putin's wrath is Syrian civilians.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/10/01/cia-backed-rebels-civilians-reportedly-targeted-by-russian-airstrikes-in-syria/?intcmp=hpbt1&cmpid=NL_morninghl
From the Russia point of view attacking the free Syrian army first was a priority. As long as Assad's forces are tied down fighting them they cannot be used to go after ISIS! unless the Russians intend to commit massive ground forces they need the Syrian support to take out isis!
Our country is responsible for the growth of ISIS by assisting the introduction of all the weapons into Syria to fight Assad that ended up in ISIS hands! Our meddling in the Syrian civil war caused this crisis!
With Putin's support Assad will drive the rebels out including ISIS. I hope we are smart enough to realize that ISIS will move their army to Iraq before allowing the Russians to destroy it!
Here's how I see it
Bearing in mind that since the days of the Czars Mother Russia has desired to expand its borders to gobble up more land to include a warm water port for her fleets of ships and since before WW2 OIL to fuel her ships. The REAL Prize has always been and will ALWAYS be the STRAITS OF HORMUZ.
No one is more intent on the former and the later than Putin.
SYria is just a convenient stepping stone. Putin is gonna use this as an excuse to OWN Assad...the price to save his crown is more pipelines pumping oil North and WARM WATER PORTS to house Russian ships & Subs.
Russians are gonna kick ass, first eliminating Syrian Rebel Generals and their minions, you know, the ones the fools in the Obamao Admin and those idiots in Congress were supporting yeah those guys, the ones who are RESUPPLYING ISIS with the stuff we gave them. These people are ISIS Supply source....probably for a price coz thats how these corrupt SOB operate.
Once Vlad deals with these pipsqueaks, he'll implement the second part of his plan....CHASE ISIS INTO IRAQ where it will cause problems for the US. He doesn't want to destroy it, he wants it to work for him in further tangling up the US and destabilizing Iraq, making fools of us and lessening our hold on the region more and more.
The main goal is to get us the hell out of the Region altogether, that means Saudi Arabia and defense of the gulf states. (Hormuz) Once that happens he leapfrogs into Iraq to handle ISIS who he'll claim is still striking at SYria and either wipe them out for good or chase them into Saudi Arabia....guess what then.
This is a master at work.....Brilliant..... and brilliant of him to wait so long until Obamao made a fool of himself by showing his weakness and stupidity....you wonder why I posted that picture of him smiling at Hussein....THAT WAS PURE CONTEMPT.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on October 01, 2015, 04:20:22 PM
Here's how I see it
Bearing in mind that since the days of the Czars Mother Russia has desired to expand its borders to gobble up more land to include a warm water port for her fleets of ships and since before WW2 OIL to fuel her ships. The REAL Prize has always been and will ALWAYS be the STRAITS OF HORMUZ.
No one is more intent on the former and the later than Putin.
SYria is just a convenient stepping stone. Putin is gonna use this as an excuse to OWN Assad...the price to save his crown is more pipelines pumping oil North and WARM WATER PORTS to house Russian ships & Subs.
Russians are gonna kick ass, first eliminating Syrian Rebel Generals and their minions, you know, the ones the fools in the Obamao Admin and those idiots in Congress were supporting yeah those guys, the ones who are RESUPPLYING ISIS with the stuff we gave them. These people are ISIS Supply source....probably for a price coz thats how these corrupt SOB operate.
Once Vlad deals with these pipsqueaks, he'll implement the second part of his plan....CHASE ISIS INTO IRAQ where it will cause problems for the US. He doesn't want to destroy it, he wants it to work for him in further tangling up the US and destabilizing Iraq, making fools of us and lessening our hold on the region more and more.
The main goal is to get us the hell out of the Region altogether, that means Saudi Arabia and defense of the gulf states. (Hormuz) Once that happens he leapfrogs into Iraq to handle ISIS who he'll claim is still striking at SYria and either wipe them out for good or chase them into Saudi Arabia....guess what then.
This is a master at work.....Brilliant..... and brilliant of him to wait so long until Obamao made a fool of himself by showing his weakness and stupidity....you wonder why I posted that picture of him smiling at Hussein....THAT WAS PURE CONTEMPT.
That could be right, Billy, but I cannot see Putin ever controlling Hormuz. I don't think he can accomplish it before Obama leaves office and a conservative Prez would never allow it.
I think Saudi and Jordan and Egypt would unite to keep this from happening.
Quote from: kroz on October 01, 2015, 04:25:20 PM
That could be right, Billy, but I cannot see Putin ever controlling Hormuz. I don't think he can accomplish it before Obama leaves office and a conservative Prez would never allow it.
I think Saudi and Jordan and Egypt would unite to keep this from happening.
Yeah but there is no guarantee that a "conservative" is gonna get elected and it is well worth the gamble. Besides who knows what move's Obamao is yet to make before he leaves office. Putin is a very patient person.
You are also forgetting a nuclear armed Iran....Putin's DeFacto ally. The Prize is Mecca, for he who controls Mecca can control Islam...'specially when a majority of the other Holy sites are located in your Country. That is what those blacked robed Lunatics want more than anything
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on October 01, 2015, 04:43:58 PM
Yeah but there is no guarantee that a "conservative" is gonna get elected and it is well worth the gamble. Besides who knows what move's Obamao is yet to make before he leaves office. Putin is a very patient person.
You are also forgetting a nuclear armed Iran....Putin's DeFacto ally. The Prize is Mecca, for he who controls Mecca can control Islam...'specially when a majority of the other Holy sites are located in your Country. That is what those blacked robed Lunatics want more than anything
If that is correct, you are talking end times prophecy. I am hoping that we are not that close! :sad:
We may be closer than you think.
This is something I learned when I was doing security in SE Asia.
Most of the worlds COMMERCIAL STRAITS rest near or directly in Islamic countries....The Straits of Malacca, The Gulf of Aden, the SUEZ and the Straits of Hormuz.....about 80% of the worlds commercial freighter/tanker traffic pass thru one of those....Think about that... MOST of the WorldS COMMERCE passes thru those areas.
A united ISLAMIC Caliphate, backed up by nukes, controlling those Straits and much of the WORLDS OIL SUPPLY as well would be all powerful.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on October 01, 2015, 04:58:27 PM
We may be closer than you think.
This is something I learned when I was doing security in SE Asia.
Most of the worlds COMMERCIAL STRAITS rest near or directly in Islamic countries....The Straits of Malacca, The Gulf of Aden, the SUEZ and the Straits of Hormuz.....about 80% of the worlds commercial freighter/tanker traffic pass thru one of those....Think about that... MOST of the WorldS COMMERCE passes thru those areas.
A united ISLAMIC Caliphate, backed up by nukes, controlling those Straits and much of the WORLDS OIL SUPPLY as well would be all powerful.
The "key" element needed is a united islamic caliphate.
They are far from united in the ME...... especially around the "straits".
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on October 01, 2015, 04:58:27 PM
We may be closer than you think.
This is something I learned when I was doing security in SE Asia.
Most of the worlds COMMERCIAL STRAITS rest near or directly in Islamic countries....The Straits of Malacca, The Gulf of Aden, the SUEZ and the Straits of Hormuz.....about 80% of the worlds commercial freighter/tanker traffic pass thru one of those....Think about that... MOST of the WorldS COMMERCE passes thru those areas.
A united ISLAMIC Caliphate, backed up by nukes, controlling those Straits and much of the WORLDS OIL SUPPLY as well would be all powerful.
Damn! These inbred savages are getting too powerful.
Quote"Everything comes if a man will only wait. I've brought myself by long meditation to the conviction that a human being with a settled purpose must accomplish it, and nothing can resist a will that will stake even existence for its fulfillment."--Disraeli
These citizens of Hell have mastered this philosophy for evil
Quote from: kroz on October 01, 2015, 05:01:57 PM
The "key" element needed is a united islamic caliphate.
They are far from united in the ME...... especially around the "straits".
Well "united" is a relatively subjective term....when you go around flying flags with logo's of swords on them that read "Convert or Die" that might be "united" or else....the 'or else' has something to do with megtonnage.
During my brief tenure in the ME Countires of UAE and Kuwait....they were scared to death of the Iranians.
Getting back to the Straits....it should come as no surprise that most acts of PIRACY were committed in the Straits of Molacca (between Indonesia and Malaysia) and just in the recent years the Gulf of Aden (Yemen) & East Africa. A trail run of greater things to come if you ask me.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on October 01, 2015, 05:08:48 PM
Well "united" is a relatively subjective term....when you go around flying flags with logo's of swords on them that read "Convert or Die" that might be "united" or else....the 'or else' has something to do with megtonnage.
During my brief tenure in the ME Countires of UAE and Kuwait....they were scared to death of the Iranians.
Getting back to the Straits....it should come as no surprise that most acts of PIRACY were committed in the Straits of Molacca (between Indonesia and Malaysia) and just in the recent years the Gulf of Aden (Yemen) & East Africa. A trail run of greater things to come if you ask me.
I concede that you may be right Billy, but I hope not.
Yeah I hope I'm not right either but a lot of this isn't coming from me but rather a sum total of Knowledge of a LOT of people who are really in the know.
One more point....remember the other day when we were discussing terrorists flying small aircraft or hijacked freighters into southern ports? We mentioned a REDUCED FLEET OF US SHIPS.....that reduced fleet cannot possibly protect shipping or keep those aforementioned straits opened at current levels....even with help from other friendly countries.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on October 01, 2015, 05:25:00 PM
Yeah I hope I'm not right either but a lot of this isn't coming from me but rather a sum total of Knowledge of a LOT of people who are really in the know.
One more point....remember the other day when we were discussing terrorists flying small aircraft or hijacked freighters into southern ports? We mentioned a REDUCED FLEET OF US SHIPS.....that reduced fleet cannot possibly protect shipping or keep those aforementioned straits opened at current levels....even with help from other friendly countries.
We just have to pray that the clock will expire on Obama before these things happen!!!
Quote from: kroz on October 01, 2015, 05:28:19 PM
We just have to pray that the clock will expire on Obama before these things happen!!!
Well that is the worst part of all....even if the Clock runs out on Obamao it might be too late...the damage is done and even if you
DO get a Ted Cruz in there he may be too far behind the 8 ball to turn it around.
this 150 Billion released to Iran is enough to start one hell of a war.
Do think for one minute that Putin
isn't getting a piece of that money and that is likely what is financing his move into Syria.... Noticed how Putin waited until the check cleared....
ISIS Plans on Killing Hundreds of Millions.
Thanks to Barry.
Quote from: kroz on October 01, 2015, 04:48:05 PM
If that is correct, you are talking end times prophecy. I am hoping that we are not that close! :sad:
Oh yes, I believe we are. We don't know the day or time but we should know the signs. The Bible is true to its Word. We are seeing it.
Quote from: kroz on October 01, 2015, 04:48:05 PM
If that is correct, you are talking end times prophecy. I am hoping that we are not that close! :sad:
Remember when Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said that he was willing to sacrifice half of Iran to destroy Israel?
These people are nuts to the extreme. They want the end days, and they think they can usher them in with nukes.
Quote from: Dori on October 01, 2015, 09:27:20 PM
Remember when Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said that he was willing to sacrifice half of Iran to destroy Israel?
These people are nuts to the extreme. They want the end days, and they think they can usher them in with nukes.
Well he no longer has to worry about that. Vlad is back in town.
Quote from: Dori on October 01, 2015, 09:27:20 PM
Remember when Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said that he was willing to sacrifice half of Iran to destroy Israel?
These people are nuts to the extreme. They want the end days, and they think they can usher them in with nukes.
Yes that is what ISIS is about also.
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on October 01, 2015, 10:30:16 PM
Yes that is what ISIS is about also.
Whether it is ISIS or the Ayatollah, or the Taliban, ALL can be instruments of God's sovereign will on His creation. It obviously won't end as the muslims expect, but they are likely going to be part of the unfolding of biblical prophecy.
As you say, we do not know the day or time, but we definitely are seeing noteworthy signs!