He certainly is in the spirit of AN Antichrist, but he is not THE Antichrist prophesied.
QuoteAbout one in four Americans suspect that President Barack Obama might be the antichrist, more than a third believe that global warming is a hoax
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/02/americans-obama-anti-christ-conspiracy-theories (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/02/americans-obama-anti-christ-conspiracy-theories)
Oh yeah.... Global Warming IS a hoax.
LOL, I read it three time to realize it didn't say Anarchist.
But when you think about it, he is.
Politics aside, when one in four surveyed Americans claim that they believe or might believe that the president of the United States is the anti-Christ...
Houston, we have a problem...
Quote from: TboneAgain on April 03, 2013, 10:44:19 PM
Politics aside, when one in four surveyed Americans claim that they believe or might believe that the president of the United States is the anti-Christ...
Houston, we have a problem...
I guess that explains why a sizable swath of evangelicals did not vote. If they truly felt he was the AntiChrist, they would have felt that they were voting against God's plan if they voted against Obama.
I dont think he is..
Maybe anti-competent lol
No way.
His approval ratings would be higher; plus, he has never had an original thought.
An arrogant pawn in the grand scheme of evil? Probably. :rolleyes:
well, as I understand it the world is coming closer to what the bible describes as the closing in on the second coming with murderous abortion, totalitarianism, desecration of God's way and the rising persecution of christians, then again Israel is supposed to be secure and prosperous right before the second coming and the Temple of Solomon rebuilt. Israel has good GDP but I would not say it is secure, and even though I would want to see the reconstruction of the temple in my lifetime I highly doubt it.
But I'm so happy to live in a time where Israel has been ressurected, as the prophecy foretold :thumbsup:
As for when the actual antichrist comes only God knows, and it does not concern me in the slightest. What does concern me is that my children will most likely experience persecution for their faith.
QuoteHero Member: I guess that explains why a sizable swath of evangelicals did not vote.
I think a few million votes disappeared in the boxes.
Everywhere O went, there was lack of enthusiasm this time around.
On voting day, every report I heard was massive turnout.
Totally different picture than the results show.
Quote from: IBeMe on May 13, 2013, 09:26:15 AM
I think a few million votes disappeared in the boxes.
Everywhere O went, there was lack of enthusiasm this time around.
On voting day, every report I heard was massive turnout.
Totally different picture than the results show.
Yes. It's still a mystery to me. Romney had crowds 10 times the size of Obama's so there was enthusiasm, yet we're told "we" didn't show up. I've never heard a reasonable explanation. On thing I know. Obama is the most CORRUPT man to ever sit in the White House.
It is my understanding that the New Testament is rather vague about who, or what the "Antichrist" is. This probably explains why people from Pope John XV to Adolf Hitler have been accused of being the "Antichrist".
A couple of John's epistles talk of an antichrist, but IIRC they word is used more to identify proponents of ideologies which oppose Christian teaching. In that case, it would mean that antichrist is more of a label for a group of people rather than an identification of a single person.
Paul speaking to the Thessalonians, told of a False Prophet which has been linked to the "Beast" in Revelations, but I don't think he used the word "Antichrist". I might be wrong though...
Obama is real enough and malevolent enough that we really don't need to supernatural powers to him. Any superstitions we associate him with will only works in his favor.
-Darth
Quote from: Darth Fife on May 24, 2013, 04:29:53 PM
It is my understanding that the New Testament is rather vague about who, or what the "Antichrist" is. This probably explains why people from Pope John XV to Adolf Hitler have been accused of being the "Antichrist".
A couple of John's epistles talk of an antichrist, but IIRC they word is used more to identify proponents of ideologies which oppose Christian teaching. In that case, it would mean that antichrist is more of a label for a group of people rather than an identification of a single person.
Paul speaking to the Thessalonians, told of a False Prophet which has been linked to the "Beast" in Revelations, but I don't think he used the word "Antichrist". I might be wrong though...
Obama is real enough and malevolent enough that we really don't need to supernatural powers to him. Any superstitions we associate him with will only works in his favor.
-Darth
I've pondered about whether the antichrist could be socialism itself. As we watch more and more humans get sucked into the welfare state and become completely content with doing absolutely nothing, it kind of makes sense. Combine that with the steady downgrading of morality, and it really starts to make sense. But I could be completely wrong on that too.
It would be kind of ironic if everyone was on the lookout for a human antichrist, while in fact, the antichrist was here and gaining strength, (in plain sight), the entire time.
The Anti-Christ is a person. He is pictured as a christ figure with a bow and arrow while Christ is pictured with a sword. The antichrist is thrown into the Lake of Fire along with the False Prophet at His return with the saints (not saints as Catholics understand "saints"). The antichrist is a political Beast of Revelation. The False Prophet is the one who gives him his power because he (the False prophet) has authority over the "christian" world.
Quote from: Yawn on May 27, 2013, 12:20:27 PM
The Anti-Christ is a person. He is pictured as a christ figure with a bow and arrow while Christ is pictured with a sword. The antichrist is thrown into the Lake of Fire along with the False Prophet at His return with the saints (not saints as Catholics understand "saints"). The antichrist is a political Beast of Revelation. The False Prophet is the one who gives him his power because he (the False prophet) has authority over the "christian" world.
The one thing that I know for sure, is that I will never be able to claim that I "know" God's plan. The Bible may have come from God, but it was written by, (imperfect), humans.
Quote from: kramarat on May 27, 2013, 12:29:36 PM
The one thing that I know for sure, is that I will never be able to claim that I "know" God's plan. The Bible may have come from God, but it was written by, (imperfect), humans.
I usually do not comment on religeous matters, but this post caught my attention. If one reads both the Old And New testaments God is portrayed quite differently. In the Old the writings are of a vengeful God in some instances. However, in the New, he is portayed as a totally loving God. God did not change, the views of the authors are different.
Quote from: supsalemgr on May 27, 2013, 12:45:55 PM
I usually do not comment on religeous matters, but this post caught my attention. If one reads both the Old And New testaments God is portrayed quite differently. In the Old the writings are of a vengeful God in some instances. However, in the New, he is portayed as a totally loving God. God did not change, the views of the authors are different.
Correct. I feel God's presence in my life, but I would never attempt to tell others that my personal understanding of God is the only way there is.
I also think that the notion of Obama being the antichrist is ridiculous. The antichrist would be fixing our economy, creating jobs, and be universally loved as the great fixer of everything. Obama has only compounded our problems while adding new ones like Obamacare.
This a guess on my part, but I also suspect that the antichrist won't be a coward. Obama is a coward that won't take ownership of his damage, and therefore, is disqualified. I think the antichrist will come across as strong...........and that's
not Obama.
Quote from: Yawn on April 03, 2013, 06:50:04 PM
He certainly is in the spirit of AN Antichrist, but he is not THE Antichrist prophesied.
Oh yeah.... Global Warming IS a hoax.
Global warming is not a hoax, it is rather a lie used to further a certain leftist political agenda.
However that said, in answer to your Q, no yawn he is not THE antichrist.
Is he an anti-christ, or rather of a type of anti-christ, most assuredly he is.
But no, he's not THE antichrist the apostle John wrote about while on patmos.
Quote from: daidalos on May 29, 2013, 01:12:46 PM
Is he an anti-christ, or rather of a type of anti-christ, most assuredly he is.
But no, he's not THE antichrist the apostle John wrote about while on patmos.
That's exactly what I said. WEEKS AGO. Glad we agree though.
Quote from: daidalos on May 29, 2013, 01:12:46 PM
Global warming is not a hoax, it is rather a lie used to further a certain leftist political agenda.
However that said, in answer to your Q, no yawn he is not THE antichrist.
Is he an anti-christ, or rather of a type of anti-christ, most assuredly he is.
But no, he's not THE antichrist the apostle John wrote about while on patmos.
I agree, he is definitely our anti Christ here in the U.S..
I believe when he does come though, he will be somehow attached to the UN.
Quote from: supsalemgr on May 27, 2013, 12:45:55 PM
I usually do not comment on religeous matters, but this post caught my attention. If one reads both the Old And New testaments God is portrayed quite differently. In the Old the writings are of a vengeful God in some instances. However, in the New, he is portayed as a totally loving God. God did not change, the views of the authors are different.
Well put, and thank you for doing so. Reading the King James Bible has always been like reading two different books, with two different outlooks. The OT is doom and gloom, while the NT is sweetness and light.
PEOPLE wrote the Bible.
Quote from: supsalemgr on May 27, 2013, 12:45:55 PM
I usually do not comment on religeous matters, but this post caught my attention. If one reads both the Old And New testaments God is portrayed quite differently. In the Old the writings are of a vengeful God in some instances. However, in the New, he is portayed as a totally loving God. God did not change, the views of the authors are different.
That's actually a pretty gross mischaracterization that smacks of someone seeing what he wants to see. Check out how many times John the Baptist, Jesus, and Paul warn about God's "coming wrath" in the New Testament.
Consider the reasons that God judges
his people in the Old Testament--not just for religious impurity, but for the neglect of the poor, the disenfranchised, the widow, the orphan, and the alien. He cares about these people and he expects his representatives to treat them as he would.
Quote from: TboneAgain on April 03, 2013, 10:44:19 PM
Politics aside, when one in four surveyed Americans claim that they believe or might believe that the president of the United States is the anti-Christ...
Houston, we have a problem...
It makes me recall the words... "The best argument against democracy is a conversation with the average voter"
Quote from: MFA on June 22, 2013, 05:59:15 PM
That's actually a pretty gross mischaracterization that smacks of someone seeing what he wants to see. Check out how many times John the Baptist, Jesus, and Paul warn about God's "coming wrath" in the New Testament.
Consider the reasons that God judges his people in the Old Testament--not just for religious impurity, but for the neglect of the poor, the disenfranchised, the widow, the orphan, and the alien. He cares about these people and he expects his representatives to treat them as he would.
I'm no Biblical scholar, but the way I see it, God's wrath is real; Jesus came to show us, (in person), the loving side.
I'm a sinner and I know it. Jesus came to tell me not to give up. I deserve to be punished, and He took it for me. For that, I am forever humbled. I'll never be perfect, but I will always remember what Jesus did for me.
As far as the Bible is concerned, I think that part of the message, is that humans will mess things up if given the opportunity; that would include the writing of the Bible. The message is there, but so is the message that the human filter will slightly alter things to suit a purpose.
I agree with you here. They are the SAME God. The only difference is that "Jesus" came to fulfill a specific mission. When He returns, the world will again see the "OT" God. He says He will rule "with a rod of iron." The God of the OT was a compassionate and merciful God.
Quote from: MFA on June 22, 2013, 05:59:15 PM
That's actually a pretty gross mischaracterization that smacks of someone seeing what he wants to see. Check out how many times John the Baptist, Jesus, and Paul warn about God's "coming wrath" in the New Testament.
Consider the reasons that God judges his people in the Old Testament--not just for religious impurity, but for the neglect of the poor, the disenfranchised, the widow, the orphan, and the alien. He cares about these people and he expects his representatives to treat them as he would.
Quote from: Yawn on April 03, 2013, 06:50:04 PM
He certainly is in the spirit of AN Antichrist, but he is not THE Antichrist prophesied.
Oh yeah.... Global Warming IS a hoax.
It is a hoax.
Scientifically, the earth is actually entering a phase of global cooling.
In large part, because our parent star has calmed down and is ending it's 11 year solar storm cycle.
See:
QuoteTo The Horror Of Global Warming Alarmists, Global Cooling Is Here
At first the current stall out of global warming was due to the ocean cycles turning back to cold. But something much more ominous has developed over this period. Sunspots run in 11 year short term cycles, with longer cyclical trends of 90 and even 200 years. The number of sunspots declined substantially in the last 11 year cycle, after flattening out over the previous 20 years. But in the current cycle, sunspot activity has collapsed. NASA's Science News report for January 8, 2013 states,
"Indeed, the sun could be on the threshold of a mini-Maunder event right now. Ongoing Solar Cycle 24 [the current short term 11 year cycle] is the weakest in more than 50 years. Moreover, there is (controversial) evidence of a long-term weakening trend in the magnetic field strength of sunspots. Matt Penn and William Livingston of the National Solar Observatory predict that by the time Solar Cycle 25 arrives, magnetic fields on the sun will be so weak that few if any sunspots will be formed. Independent lines of research involving helioseismology and surface polar fields tend to support their conclusion."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/05/26/to-the-horror-of-global-warming-alarmists-global-cooling-is-here/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/05/26/to-the-horror-of-global-warming-alarmists-global-cooling-is-here/)
But you can't tell the left who use the issue of global warming to push their own political agenda this.
Precisely because in doing so, it removes a tool from their tool box to push their socialist agenda with.
I've been telling libs for years not to worry, that mankind is less than a flea on a dogs back cosmically, that the Earth will still be here, going around it's parent star, long after everyone of us is long dead and gone.
Long after our species is gone in fact. ;)
Quote from: Yawn on June 23, 2013, 01:01:22 PM
I agree with you here. They are the SAME God. The only difference is that "Jesus" came to fulfill a specific mission. When He returns, the world will again see the "OT" God. He says He will rule "with a rod of iron." The God of the OT was a compassionate and merciful God.
I have always wondered about that. Because in the end, all that will be left is God, the Angelic hosts and Gods people, who willing chose God.
Why is there a need to "rule with a rod of iron"?
Quote from: daidalos on June 26, 2013, 09:35:23 PM
I have always wondered about that. Because in the end, all that will be left is God, the Angelic hosts and Gods people, who willing chose God.
Why is there a need to "rule with a rod of iron"?
I've thought that too. People spend so much time arguing with God. In the end, HE wins. Why not just learn His Mind?
Have you read the accounts of His Return?
IF He returns the way He said (Zechariah, Malachi, Revelation) do you think the Muslims will readily accept
this God? They will not. Will America's homosexual community? WHAT IF He meant what He said about ALL of the Ten Commandments? Will the Sunday Keeping/Sabbath Hating "christian" world accept THIS God? You would think so, but they will not. In fact, it is the Christian West that will battle the Returning Christ with His angels and the true saints at His return. The entire world will see Him as an alien invader.
He will bring peace at His return, but it won't come without a fight (we always wanted Him to butt out of our lives).
Quote from: supsalemgr on May 27, 2013, 12:45:55 PM
I usually do not comment on religeous matters, but this post caught my attention. If one reads both the Old And New testaments God is portrayed quite differently. In the Old the writings are of a vengeful God in some instances. However, in the New, he is portayed as a totally loving God. God did not change, the views of the authors are different.
Unsurprisingly, the later Koran is more violent than the earlier parts.
Allah changed. God did not.
I'm absolutely dumbfounded that there are people (outside of psychiatric facilities, I mean) who actually believe the "antichrist" is a real entity instead of the metaphor it so obviously is.
It's scary to think people like that are allowed to run around loose, drive cars, even own weapons.
Also, folks who live in Crazytown shouldn't be allowed to vote in elections in the real world.
Quote from: Yawn on April 03, 2013, 06:50:04 PM
He certainly is in the spirit of AN Antichrist, but he is not THE Antichrist prophesied.
That would make him too important.
Quote from: quiller on July 14, 2013, 10:11:03 AM
QuoteI usually do not comment on religeous matters, but this post caught my attention. If one reads both the Old And New testaments God is portrayed quite differently. In the Old the writings are of a vengeful God in some instances. However, in the New, he is portayed as a totally loving God. God did not change, the views of the authors are different.
Unsurprisingly, the later Koran is more violent than the earlier parts. Allah changed. God did not.
The Old Testament is the Readers' Digest Condensed version of a whole bunch of Jewish tomes chronicling mankind's ascent from barbarism to enlightenment. The Koran is essentially the same thing; except in reverse.
Fanatics of all anti-Christian cults (including Atheism) cherry pick wildly out-of-context excerpts from the Old Testament to redefine "Christianity," while they assiduously ignore the New Covenant. That's about as
anti-Christ as it's possible to be. So it's more than a little silly to go around counting horns to try and figure out who among them should receive top billing.
The "Jesus" of the NT IS the God of the OT. One of His purposes in His first appearance as the Son of MAN was to reveal the Father. That "mean old God of the OT" WAS what most today call "Jesus." He hasn't changed. Most today would reject the real Christ when He returns -- they won't recognize Him from what they were taught by modern "christianity."
I split at post 32 as it was getting Political, the split is now on the Political Board.
walks
Quote from: walkstall on October 15, 2013, 06:37:37 PM
I split at post 32 as it was getting Political, the split is now on the Political Board.
walks
Thanks Walks, but lets make it a stand alone thread with Cons article in the OP.
Thanks.
This is a joke right? I mean no rational educated civilized person could actually believe this tripe?
It also hurts the conservative movement when this idiocy is given credence.
Also to the people who are happy that they think the world is going to end, is your life so horrible that you want it to end? I happen to love my life and family and would give almost anything for just more time on this amazing planet. But luckily for us the universe works within the bounds of physics not mysticism.
The world will end when The Sun stops turning He into H, so roughly 5 billion years.
http://www.livescience.com/32879-what-happens-to-earth-when-sun-dies.html (http://www.livescience.com/32879-what-happens-to-earth-when-sun-dies.html)
Here if a list of all the wrong end of the world predictions (ie all of them). http://www.bible.ca/pre-date-setters.htm (http://www.bible.ca/pre-date-setters.htm)
If you look at the more recent ones they seem to be made when money is involved (shut stunned amazed). Be it trying to sell a book, advertising etc it is sickening.
Please at least read the list. I hate it when people are taken advantage of.
Quote from: TboneAgain on June 21, 2013, 06:42:14 PM
Well put, and thank you for doing so. Reading the King James Bible has always been like reading two different books, with two different outlooks. The OT is doom and gloom, while the NT is sweetness and light.
PEOPLE wrote the Bible.
The King James Translation was made for the language used in 1610. But the English language has changed:
- No meaning of any word that was coined after 1610 can be used to interpret the Scriptures in the King James Bible.
- You must know the now disused meanings of many words that have new meanings.
Use a modern translation, such as the New International Version or the New King James Version.
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Re: Is Obama THE Antichrist?
« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2013, 02:25:04 AM »
I'm absolutely dumbfounded that there are people (outside of psychiatric facilities, I mean) who actually believe the "antichrist" is a real entity instead of the metaphor it so obviously is.
It's scary to think people like that are allowed to run around loose, drive cars, even own weapons.
Also, folks who live in Crazytown shouldn't be allowed to vote in elections in the real world.
If you believe that it is all metaphor, you are denying the religious beliefs of most Christians. You must have been educated by atheist schoolteachers. Your post is almost a hate crime against religious belief.
These are real events in the future, and if we live long enough, we will see it happen.
Quote from: Stanthemilkman on November 03, 2013, 04:57:54 AM
This is a joke right? I mean no rational educated civilized person could actually believe this tripe?
It also hurts the conservative movement when this idiocy is given credence.
Also to the people who are happy that they think the world is going to end, is your life so horrible that you want it to end? I happen to love my life and family and would give almost anything for just more time on this amazing planet. But luckily for us the universe works within the bounds of physics not mysticism.
The world will end when The Sun stops turning He into H, so roughly 5 billion years.
http://www.livescience.com/32879-what-happens-to-earth-when-sun-dies.html (http://www.livescience.com/32879-what-happens-to-earth-when-sun-dies.html)
Here if a list of all the wrong end of the world predictions (ie all of them). http://www.bible.ca/pre-date-setters.htm (http://www.bible.ca/pre-date-setters.htm)
If you look at the more recent ones they seem to be made when money is involved (shut stunned amazed). Be it trying to sell a book, advertising etc it is sickening.
Please at least read the list. I hate it when people are taken advantage of.
Another Atheist who believes in what the liberal Atheist schoolteachers taught him, but rejects God. People like @Stanthemilkman are the kind of people who don't care if Obama takes our right to obey our religion away. He is probably a shill who wants Obamacare for himself.
If God has the power we believe He has, then He can end the world any time He wants and with any method he wants.
When the world ends, we go to be with God.
Obama is more like the false prophet. But the US could be the Beast (a beast is a government in prophecy).
Obama says he is Christian, but he wants to take religious rights away to give special rights for the sins of abortion and homosexuality.