How CHURCHES led America to forsake God!

[je_freedom]

A recent caller to the Rush Limbaugh show is the embodiment of how PREACHERS have led America to forsake God!  The transcript of the call is at:   http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/07/14/has_god_forsaken_america_or_has_america_forsaken_god

His words alone are bad enough.  But even worse is what you could hear on the air, but can't feel in print.  That is his smug, superior tone of voice.  He was completely SELF-righteous!  Without a shred of TRUE righteousness!

He is the embodiment of the expression "too heavenly minded to be of any earthly good."

He THINKS he's engaging in "spiritual warfare."  The only thing he's actually engaging in is DELUSION!  Both of himself and of his congregation!  His prayers are completely worthless, both on Earth AND in Heaven!

He is a perfect example of the apostasy that has almost completely destroyed the modern church - the overspiritualization of everything - always behaving as if just prayer and contemplation is all God ever commanded.  You have to throw away most of the Bible to believe that!

He likes to quote scripture.  He needs to be introduced to James 2:14-26  (Faith without works is dead - such  faith  will  not  save  you!)

and James 4:17  "If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn't do it, it is sin for them."

and Acts 26:20 "... they should repent and turn to God and demonstrate their repentance by their deeds. "

The Bible does concern itself with what people think, but it concerns itself massively much more with what people DO!

That guy is just making up excuses to NOT DO what the Bible says!

He is completely ignorant of both American history AND Christian history!

He knows nothing of stewardship.  He needs to read "A Parable" at:   http://www.cpnlive.com/forum/post/1431361   Actually, EVERY believer needs to read that page!

For the last few decades (at least) there are 30 million evangelicals who never vote!

If all 30 million would at least make even THAT little bit of effort, the heathen would be wiped out of government!  They would be such a small minority that they would be completely powerless!

If all 30 million would just register and vote for someone like Ted Cruz - IN THE PRIMARY - we could throw the heathen out of power IN ONE YEAR!

Many church people complain, "There's no one to vote for" and "If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you're still voting for evil."

ALL THOSE LAZY CHURCH PEOPLE WHO NEVER VOTE IN THE PRIMARY ARE THE REASON "THERE'S NO ONE TO VOTE FOR!"

That caller gets exactly to the heart of why we're losing civilization!

He (and millions like him) are THE CAUSE!


P.S. - Please do not move this article to the Religion forum.  Doing so would be the same thing the left does - they marginalize religion. 

The fact is, it was religion that CREATED America!  It was religion that motivated and guided the founders. 

It was the Bible that informed their understanding of justice, which guided their legislation. 

It is the removal of religion from public knowledge that removed the obstacles and allowed the left to seize power and enslave the people! 

It is GOD from whom all legitimate authority flows! 

It is the denial of God (giving only lip service IS denial!) that makes the current regime an illegitimate government, like a street gang! 

It is impossible to restore America without restoring Christianity to its rightful place in our culture! 

(These days, Christianity needs to be restored to its rightful place in the CHURCHES!)

[kroz]

OUTSTANDING post!   You have superbly explained it.

We cannot relegate the principle cornerstone of this Nation to the sidelines!

We would all do well to carry this message to the uttermost parts of our spheres of influence!

Many thanks!

[kit saginaw]

Shouldn't it be:  How Some Churches Led Some Americans To Forsake God... ?

The broad brush doesn't work here.

[kroz]

Shouldn't it be:  How Some Churches Led Some Americans To Forsake God... ?

The broad brush doesn't work here.

You have to look long and hard to find a church today that has not been tainted by this cancer.  Therefore we have millions of Americans being led down the primrose path of false teaching......

Unfortunately it is the younger generation who has never been exposed to the pure doctrines of the Church.  It is the social gospel that is most prevalent in this Nation..... which is devoid of hard truth.

As the Apostle Paul aptly says in I Corinthians...... you cannot handle the "meat" of the word...I must give you milk only.  He chastised them for being infant Christians when they should have been mature by then.  So, how long had they been believers? .... about four years!

We have infantile Churches in need of meat.   

[kroz]

P.S. - Please do not move this article to the Religion forum.  Doing so would be the same thing the left does - they marginalize religion. 

The fact is, it was religion that CREATED America!  It was religion that motivated and guided the founders. 

It was the Bible that informed their understanding of justice, which guided their legislation. 

It is the removal of religion from public knowledge that removed the obstacles and allowed the left to seize power and enslave the people! 

It is GOD from whom all legitimate authority flows! 

It is the denial of God (giving only lip service IS denial!) that makes the current regime an illegitimate government, like a street gang! 

It is impossible to restore America without restoring Christianity to its rightful place in our culture!


hhmm.... it is sort of like trumpeting the sacredness of the Second Amendment while agreeing that all the ammo should be allowed only at a separate out of the way location..... because it is really irrelevant to gun ownership.

[kit saginaw]

P.S. - Please do not move this article to the Religion forum.  Doing so would be the same thing the left does - they marginalize religion. 

You just, by subconscious innuendo, marginalized it.

This Religious-forum isn't marginal.  It breathes.  It's specific. 

I don't think God's a big fan of followers worshiping themselves worshiping Him.  That's not how it's supposed to work.   

[kroz]

I don't think God's a big fan of followers worshiping themselves worshiping Him.  That's not how it's supposed to work.

Would you elaborate on that statement?

[je_freedom]

kit saginaw said:

You just, by subconscious innuendo, marginalized it.
This Religious-forum isn't marginal.  It breathes.  It's specific. 

Here's what I meant by marginalized:

Political Discussion and Debate   194097 Posts   14106 Topics
Religion Forum                             2988 Posts       195 Topics

[Solar]

kit saginaw said:
Here's what I meant by marginalized:

Political Discussion and Debate   194097 Posts   14106 Topics
Religion Forum                             2988 Posts       195 Topics

Now, look at view comparative to posts, you'll find that this forum gets more views to posts than that of Poli.
You wholly underestimate the value of this forum.
There is a reason these two are separated, why politics and religion do not cross paths on poli.
To allow this would be conceding defeat to Marxism and it's war on religion in connecting faith to politics.

[kroz]

Now, look at view comparative to posts, you'll find that this forum gets more views to posts than that of Poli.
You wholly underestimate the value of this forum.
There is a reason these two are separated, why politics and religion do not cross paths on poli.
To allow this would be conceding defeat to Marxism and it's war on religion in connecting faith to politics.

How does this concede defeat to Marxism? 

We must embrace the truth that it is indeed a war on religion.  Why? Because God has always been our "might" as a Nation.  If we attempt to fight this battle apart from God, we will lose.  No question about it.

ALL political systems are based upon some form of "faith".  Look back through history.  All governments were classified as either pagan or "civilized" religions.  Christianity is an integral part of what made our system work properly in the beginning.  You cannot separate the substance from the sustainer.

To ignore the fundamental foundation of judeo christianity to our system of government is akin to denying islam as fundamental to ISIS and terrorism.  I don't mean to be critical of the system on this forum, but all of the political social issues are founded in biblical teaching and even the fiscal issues should be guided by biblical principles.  Our Founders set up the system to work upon biblical principles in all senses..... justice, etc.

The reason why our nation has fallen into economic and cultural chaos is because we have allowed the government to separate us from our foundation.  They should be inseparable.   God has been the glue that held us all together over the centuries.  He is the mortar between each stone in our national structure.  When we refuse to acknowledge His power and providential control over us, He will leave us to reap what we sow.  We cannot successfully steer this ship without Him.

It is difficult to discuss almost any political issue without either invoking God or scripture.

[Solar]

How does this concede defeat to Marxism? 

We must embrace the truth that it is indeed a war on religion.  Why? Because God has always been our "might" as a Nation.  If we attempt to fight this battle apart from God, we will lose.  No question about it.

ALL political systems are based upon some form of "faith".  Look back through history.  All governments were classified as either pagan or "civilized" religions.  Christianity is an integral part of what made our system work properly in the beginning.  You cannot separate the substance from the sustainer.

To ignore the fundamental foundation of judeo christianity to our system of government is akin to denying islam as fundamental to ISIS and terrorism.  I don't mean to be critical of the system on this forum, but all of the political social issues are founded in biblical teaching and even the fiscal issues should be guided by biblical principles.  Our Founders set up the system to work upon biblical principles in all senses..... justice, etc.

The reason why our nation has fallen into economic and cultural chaos is because we have allowed the government to separate us from our foundation.  They should be inseparable.   God has been the glue that held us all together over the centuries.  He is the mortar between each stone in our national structure.  When we refuse to acknowledge His power and providential control over us, He will leave us to reap what we sow.  We cannot successfully steer this ship without Him.

It is difficult to discuss almost any political issue without either invoking God or scripture.

But it has to be this way, or every thread would wind up a discussion on religion, a very personal topic for all involved.
Unlike Conservatism, where we all share the same core values, where we can discuss freely in agreement, but throw in religion, and suddenly no one can agree on every issue, so they remain separate on this forum.

Take my word for it, I've been doing this for years, and to allow these elements to blend in politics would kill a very successful forum.
The Marxists are all about divide and conquer, and religion is no different, they are politicizing it, and by keeping the two separate from politics, does not allow them a win.

[kroz]

But it has to be this way, or every thread would wind up a discussion on religion, a very personal topic for all involved.
Unlike Conservatism, where we all share the same core values, where we can discuss freely in agreement, but throw in religion, and suddenly no one can agree on every issue, so they remain separate on this forum.

Take my word for it, I've been doing this for years, and to allow these elements to blend in politics would kill a very successful forum.
The Marxists are all about divide and conquer, and religion is no different, they are politicizing it, and by keeping the two separate from politics, does not allow them a win.

It is your forum.  I will play by the rules.   

[tac]

Read Revelation chapters 2 & 3, and you will see that nothing has changed in almost 2000 years.

[kroz]

Read Revelation chapters 2 & 3, and you will see that nothing has changed in almost 2000 years.

tac, nothing much has changed since the beginning of recorded history.  Man has known God but not honored Him.... suffered the consequences...... repented..... found God's mercy.....and repeated the cycle.  Read the Book of Judges!

[walkstall]

But it has to be this way, or every thread would wind up a discussion on religion, a very personal topic for all involved.
Unlike Conservatism, where we all share the same core values, where we can discuss freely in agreement, but throw in religion, and suddenly no one can agree on every issue, so they remain separate on this forum.

Take my word for it, I've been doing this for years, and to allow these elements to blend in politics would kill a very successful forum.
The Marxists are all about divide and conquer, and religion is no different, they are politicizing it, and by keeping the two separate from politics, does not allow them a win.

I have been doing Political Forum for 25+ years.   I have seen 4 Political boards go down in that time, as they let Religion take over ever board on there forum.   Not everyone thinks alike on religion and that's not a problem with me, as we all have a right.  But a cult is not a religion, they don't have rights.  They are controlled, you just don't walk out the door if you don't like it.   If you do you can end up dead.