Evolution ?

[SalemCat]

Ok, I really think this belongs in Science, but I'm not bucking modern trend.

No, I don't think the Earth is 5 Thousand Years Old.

I also do not believe God created the Universe in 7 days (but yeah, could be).

On the other hand I believe Darwin is 50% full of it.

I worked as a Mechanical Engineer for decades, and things simply do not design themselves by accident. Duh. Not in 5 Billion Years !

Although Darwinism is a Partial Explanation, I believe there is certainly some Intelligent Design included. Does that even mean a God is involved ? Maybe, maybe not.

The only thing that really angers me, is no dissent is allowed in our schools. Darwinism is inadequate. Can't we even discuss alternatives ?

[taxed]

I think evolution is BS also.

[BPman]

I think evolution is BS also.

Then why are Eskimos short & squat & many Africans tall & skinny?

[SalemCat]

Then why are Eskimos short & squat & many Africans tall & skinny?

That could be explained by Evolution or by Intelligent Design.

Though I believe both work together.

Physicists have no issues in challenging Einstein.

But challenge Darwin or "Professor" Al Gore ? Only at your own peril.

BTW, it is interesting that people we tend to lump together as "Africans" possess extremely diverse DNA. In fact, one study concluded if you were looking for two individuals, each diverse from the other to the maximum degree found on earth, it would be two Africans. Hence the fallacy at judging people solely on the color of their skin.

(I forget much more of that study. If anyone cares I or someone can look it up later)

On a related note, someday I may take one of those DNA Tests. I would find it amusing to be found to be part Neanderthal.

[taxed]

Then why are Eskimos short & squat & many Africans tall & skinny?

I have no idea.

[Solar]

Then why are Eskimos short & squat & many Africans tall & skinny?

Africans are the only humans without Neanderthal DNA.

[BPman]

Africans are the only humans without Neanderthal DNA.

Nope:

http://www.livescience.com/42933-humans-carry-20-percent-neanderthal-genes.html

[SalemCat]

Ok, everyone has been great so far.

And I'm not a mod. Maybe a wanna-be, but still not.

Let's just be careful not to say anything that will embarrass us all.

If we can sort of swing back to Evolution vs Intelligent Design, and how they can be Friends, or how they will always be Foes, I would prefer that.

Just sayin'.

[BPman]

Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.


Romans 9:18

[cubedemon]

Ok, I really think this belongs in Science, but I'm not bucking modern trend.

No, I don't think the Earth is 5 Thousand Years Old.

I also do not believe God created the Universe in 7 days (but yeah, could be).

On the other hand I believe Darwin is 50% full of it.

I worked as a Mechanical Engineer for decades, and things simply do not design themselves by accident. Duh. Not in 5 Billion Years !

Although Darwinism is a Partial Explanation, I believe there is certainly some Intelligent Design included. Does that even mean a God is involved ? Maybe, maybe not.

The only thing that really angers me, is no dissent is allowed in our schools. Darwinism is inadequate. Can't we even discuss alternatives ?

Salemcat, I do agree that more discussion should be allowed on this.   I hate political correctness and censorship with a passion. 

Here is my question.  Why couldn't our universe come together by accident?   

Let's think about it this way.  We have to think about it in probability concepts.  Let's say I flip a coin.   How often will it land on heads or tails?  I think about 1 in 2 times.  What about landing on its side.   It would seem very unlikely but not impossible.  It would land 1 in 6000 times.  http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1993PhRvE..48.2547M

Now, imagine our universe is but a spec in a multi-verse that is a spec within existence.  Now imagine existence as 1 to the googleplex years old or even older possibly to the level of infinity.   What if we have an event or series of events that only occur every 1 billion years or so?, trillion?, quadrillion?, google, googleplex.   The event will eventually happen.  Maybe the combination of our particular universe with our particular solar system and planet with our conditions including gravitational was but 1 in a googleplex that was extremely improbable to occur but not impossible to occur and actually did occur.   So, maybe in a googleplex years or more maybe we'll all be here again because there can only be certain finite amount of combinations particles in existence that can exist and that can come together in a certain way.

So, you would have to think about the expanse of time in extremely huge amounts with huge probabilities.

[Solar]

Nope:

http://www.livescience.com/42933-humans-carry-20-percent-neanderthal-genes.html

Wrongh.

In the past few years, studies by groups including Reich's have revealed that present-day people of non-African ancestry trace an average of about 2 percent of their genomes to Neanderthals — a legacy of interbreeding between humans and Neanderthals that the team previously showed occurred between 40,000 to 80,000 years ago. (Indigenous Africans have little or no Neanderthal DNA because their ancestors did not breed with Neanderthals, who lived in Europe and Asia.)
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2014/01/neanderthals-dna-legacy-linked-to-modern-ailments/

[kroz]

Salemcat, I do agree that more discussion should be allowed on this.   I hate political correctness and censorship with a passion. 

Here is my question.  Why couldn't our universe come together by accident?   

Let's think about it this way.  We have to think about it in probability concepts.  Let's say I flip a coin.   How often will it land on heads or tails?  I think about 1 in 2 times.  What about landing on its side.   It would seem very unlikely but not impossible.  It would land 1 in 6000 times.  http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1993PhRvE..48.2547M

Now, imagine our universe is but a spec in a multi-verse that is a spec within existence.  Now imagine existence as 1 to the googleplex years old or even older possibly to the level of infinity.   What if we have an event or series of events that only occur every 1 billion years or so?, trillion?, quadrillion?, google, googleplex.   The event will eventually happen.  Maybe the combination of our particular universe with our particular solar system and planet with our conditions including gravitational was but 1 in a googleplex that was extremely improbable to occur but not impossible to occur and actually did occur.   So, maybe in a googleplex years or more maybe we'll all be here again because there can only be certain finite amount of combinations particles in existence that can exist and that can come together in a certain way.

So, you would have to think about the expanse of time in extremely huge amounts with huge probabilities.

Oh cubedemon, you watch far too much sci-fi!

[SalemCat]

Salemcat, I do agree that more discussion should be allowed on this.   I hate political correctness and censorship with a passion. 

Here is my question.  Why couldn't our universe come together by accident?   

Let's think about it this way.  We have to think about it in probability concepts.  Let's say I flip a coin.   How often will it land on heads or tails?  I think about 1 in 2 times.  What about landing on its side.   It would seem very unlikely but not impossible.  It would land 1 in 6000 times.  http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1993PhRvE..48.2547M

Now, imagine our universe is but a spec in a multi-verse that is a spec within existence.  Now imagine existence as 1 to the googleplex years old or even older possibly to the level of infinity.   What if we have an event or series of events that only occur every 1 billion years or so?, trillion?, quadrillion?, google, googleplex.   The event will eventually happen.  Maybe the combination of our particular universe with our particular solar system and planet with our conditions including gravitational was but 1 in a googleplex that was extremely improbable to occur but not impossible to occur and actually did occur.   So, maybe in a googleplex years or more maybe we'll all be here again because there can only be certain finite amount of combinations particles in existence that can exist and that can come together in a certain way.

So, you would have to think about the expanse of time in extremely huge amounts with huge probabilities.

I choose to acknowledge and worship a benevolent God.

Doing so improves my life, reassures me, and causes me to treat others better.

Whether He exists or not, my life and the life of my Fellows is improved by my Faith.

So why not believe ?

[cubedemon]

Oh cubedemon, you watch far too much sci-fi!

  Ya know me very well.   

[kroz]

  Ya know me very well.   

Cubedemon, your hypothesis was fatally flawed before you got beyond your first sentence.

You say, "Why couldn't our universe come together by accident?"

WHAT came together?

Our universe is made of time, space, and matter.  Where did THAT come from?

Any non Master Designer Creator theory of our universe must find it's own origin.  You fail to even acknowledge that.

Your "accidental" theory contains matter.  Matter from where?

You see, cubedemon, ALL roads lead back to God.  The Bible gives us the most rational and reasonable explanation of creation.   

BTW, the Bible says God spoke creation into existence.  That would somewhat look like a big bang to our eye.