How can these people do this, destroy more than 100 years of Christian tradition?
I imagine the answer is, the fags have infected the board of directors.
It's not final, but we know they're Hell bent on destroying the organization. Divide and conquer, it's how the left works.
(Reuters) - The Boy Scouts of America called to end a long-standing ban on openly gay members, a spokesman said on Friday, but the organization's board must still vote in May on whether to ratify the resolution.
If the vote is approved, "no youth may be denied membership in the Boy Scouts of America on the basis of sexual orientation or preference alone," Deron Smith, the organization's spokesman, told Reuters.
http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/04/19/us-usa-boyscouts-ban-idINBRE93I0OY20130419 (http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/04/19/us-usa-boyscouts-ban-idINBRE93I0OY20130419)
Baby steps.
I can already see the lawsuit coming, when a gay youth wants to become a gay scout leader in adulthood.
Quote from: Solar on April 19, 2013, 09:26:59 AM
How can these people do this, destroy more than 100 years of Christian tradition?
I imagine the answer is, the fags have infected the board of directors.
It's not final, but we know they're Hell bent on destroying the organization. Divide and conquer, it's how the left works.
(Reuters) - The Boy Scouts of America called to end a long-standing ban on openly gay members, a spokesman said on Friday, but the organization's board must still vote in May on whether to ratify the resolution.
If the vote is approved, "no youth may be denied membership in the Boy Scouts of America on the basis of sexual orientation or preference alone," Deron Smith, the organization's spokesman, told Reuters.
http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/04/19/us-usa-boyscouts-ban-idINBRE93I0OY20130419 (http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/04/19/us-usa-boyscouts-ban-idINBRE93I0OY20130419)
Sooooo.... what will the call himself??
Next step, hello girls welcome to the American Unisex club. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Solar on April 19, 2013, 09:26:59 AM
How can these people do this, destroy more than 100 years of Christian tradition?
I imagine the answer is, the fags have infected the board of directors.
It's not final, but we know they're Hell bent on destroying the organization. Divide and conquer, it's how the left works.
(Reuters) - The Boy Scouts of America called to end a long-standing ban on openly gay members, a spokesman said on Friday, but the organization's board must still vote in May on whether to ratify the resolution.
If the vote is approved, "no youth may be denied membership in the Boy Scouts of America on the basis of sexual orientation or preference alone," Deron Smith, the organization's spokesman, told Reuters.
http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/04/19/us-usa-boyscouts-ban-idINBRE93I0OY20130419 (http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/04/19/us-usa-boyscouts-ban-idINBRE93I0OY20130419)
It is simple, really.
The Boy Scouts have had to face reality. Either they admit gays, or the will be sued out of existence.
It's not a pleasant reality to face, nor is it right. But, it is the way things are in this day and age.
The same thing will start happening to the mainstream Christian churches. They will be forced to end their prohibition against homosexuality and be forced to perform homosexual marriages or they will be sued out of existence.
That is what the movement for so-called gay rights is all about - destroying the tradition American institutions of home, family and marriage.
Anyone who tells you different is either stupid or lying.
-Darth
Quote from: Darth Fife on May 24, 2013, 04:51:07 PM
It is simple, really.
The Boy Scouts have had to face reality. Either they admit gays, or the will be sued out of existence.
It's not a pleasant reality to face, nor is it right. But, it is the way things are in this day and age.
The same thing will start happening to the mainstream Christian churches. They will be forced to end their prohibition against homosexuality and be forced to perform homosexual marriages or they will be sued out of existence.
That is what the movement for so-called gay rights is all about - destroying the tradition American institutions of home, family and marriage.
Anyone who tells you different is either stupid or lying.
-Darth
Wrong!!! You are willing to surrender, I am not, and neither should the boy Scouts.
Unfortunately a few are CINOS Christian in name only, or Conservative in name only, and caned in claiming it's the "fair thing to do.
If you are so certain this is the right thing to do out of fear, then why is their talk of starting a straights only scouts club?
It will destroy the organization. That really was/is their goal anyway.
Actually, I think Darth made an excellent point, though I don't think he was trying to do so. :tounge:
The thing that places such immense power in the hands of just a tiny percentage of our people is not the press, not advocacy groups, not superior organization... but the bizarre legal system this country has constructed and now suffers as an affliction.
When a woman can sue McDonald's and WIN because her coffee was hot (WHAT?!) and she was stupid enough to drive a 3,000-lb. car on the public roadways with a cup of the stuff jammed in her crotch, and the predictable happened, we have to acknowledge that something is very wrong.
More to the point, and getting back to what Darth pointed out, if BSA didn't do what they just did, they would indeed be exposed to immense litigation exposure. And let me define that: they would probably get their socks sued off -- UNSUCCESSFULLY. That is, those suing would almost certainly lose. BSA is, at the end of the day, a private organization that is actually free to discriminate in any way they choose. (See: Augusta National Golf Club)
But this ridiculous civil and tort system we've constructed means that BSA would be paying out hundreds of thousands of dollars every time they get sued, not to those seeking damages, but to its own lawyers! That is what "legal exposure" has come to mean now. When a group (an LGBT group, for example) wants to bend another group (BSA, for example) to its will, the threat of lawsuits becomes literally the threat of financial ruin. That's how the game is played.
Quote from: Solar on May 24, 2013, 06:10:38 PM
Wrong!!! You are willing to surrender, I am not, and neither should the boy Scouts.
Unfortunately a few are CINOS Christian in name only, or Conservative in name only, and caned in claiming it's the "fair thing to do.
If you are so certain this is the right thing to do out of fear, then why is their talk of starting a straights only scouts club?
It is not I who is surrendering, it is the Boy Scouts.
As a former scout, I've made my opinion known to them. Apparently it fell on deaf ears.
I'm not saying it is the right thing to do. I am saying that the Boy Scouts have made a business decision based on the current political climate. If it were me, I would have closed the entire organization down.
-Darth
Quote from: Darth Fife on May 27, 2013, 04:27:56 PM
It is not I who is surrendering, it is the Boy Scouts.
As a former scout, I've made my opinion known to them. Apparently it fell on deaf ears.
I'm not saying it is the right thing to do. I am saying that the Boy Scouts have made a business decision based on the current political climate. If it were me, I would have closed the entire organization down.
-Darth
Sad but true.....it boils down to money.
http://www.thehumanist.org/humanist/articles/bsa.html (http://www.thehumanist.org/humanist/articles/bsa.html)
Quote from: Darth Fife on May 27, 2013, 04:27:56 PM
It is not I who is surrendering, it is the Boy Scouts.
As a former scout, I've made my opinion known to them. Apparently it fell on deaf ears.
I'm not saying it is the right thing to do. I am saying that the Boy Scouts have made a business decision based on the current political climate. If it were me, I would have closed the entire organization down.
-Darth
I think they found a fair compromise.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324659404578501650925094878.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324659404578501650925094878.html)
Quote from: Solar on May 27, 2013, 06:58:44 PM
I think they found a fair compromise.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324659404578501650925094878.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324659404578501650925094878.html)
Hmm.....
QuoteJohn Stemberger, an Orlando lawyer who founded the group OnMyHonor.Net to oppose ending the ban, said at a press conference that the decision was "a travesty." He said the Scouts didn't consider risks to children and lawsuits that he thinks will ensue. His group and others that supported the ban on gays plan to meet next month to discuss the creation of a new youth group.
"This is the last time I wear this uniform," Mr. Stemberger said.
Quote from: Solar on May 27, 2013, 06:58:44 PM
I think they found a fair compromise.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324659404578501650925094878.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324659404578501650925094878.html)
That's no comprimise. We now live in a society, where people that think that same gender sex is wrong, are the bad guys. Call me old fashoined and crazy, but I never thought the scouts had anything to do with sex. Now it does. Not only sex, but male on male sex.
I don't hate gay people, but they really need to stop trying to make us non-gays feel like we're abnormal.
Quote from: walkstall on May 27, 2013, 07:53:21 PM
Hmm.....
John Stemberger, an Orlando lawyer who founded the group OnMyHonor.Net to oppose ending the ban, said at a press conference that the decision was "a travesty." He said the Scouts didn't consider risks to children and lawsuits that he thinks will ensue. His group and others that supported the ban on gays plan to meet next month to discuss the creation of a new youth group.
"This is the last time I wear this uniform," Mr. Stemberger said.
I agree with him and hope he succeeds beyond his wildest dreams, and I will definitely support them.
I think the Boy Scouts have ulterior motives in getting these confused kids out of an environment that's destroying them and turning their lives around.
The Boy Scouts have an interesting way of making men out of boys.
Quote from: Darth Fife on May 24, 2013, 04:51:07 PM
The same thing will start happening to the mainstream Christian churches. They will be forced to end their prohibition against homosexuality and be forced to perform homosexual marriages or they will be sued out of existence.
I can guarantee you they will not be sued out of existence. They may even be made illegal, but they will not cease to exist.
http://www.sacbee.com/2013/05/30/5457390/california-senate-votes-to-revoke.html (http://www.sacbee.com/2013/05/30/5457390/california-senate-votes-to-revoke.html)
This is what you call "foot in the door" legislation. It won't be long before they use this as precident to take tax exempt status from other religious orgs like Sameritans Purse and Salvation Army, then churches.
QuoteEven as the Boy Scouts of America moves to allow gay youths to join its troops, the California Senate on Wednesday passed a bill that would revoke the organization's nonprofit status because it does not permit the participation of openly gay adults.
"They are out of line with the values of California and should be ineligible for a tax benefit paid for by all Californians," Sen. Ricardo Lara, D-Bell Gardens, said as he introduced his bill. "SB 323 brings our laws into line with our values."
The measure calls for revoking the tax-exempt status of youth groups that discriminate against participants on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identification.
Quote from: JustKari on May 31, 2013, 07:28:23 AM
http://www.sacbee.com/2013/05/30/5457390/california-senate-votes-to-revoke.html (http://www.sacbee.com/2013/05/30/5457390/california-senate-votes-to-revoke.html)
This is what you call "foot in the door" legislation. It won't be long before they use this as precident to take tax exempt status from other religious orgs like Sameritans Purse and Salvation Army, then churches.
I saw this and was scratching my head, because I thought tax exempt was a Federal issue.
But regardless, this Bill is illegal because the Dims are using taxes as punitive, which is a Constitutional issue.
But you're right, they, just like Hussein are targeting Conservative groups.
Quote from: Solar on May 27, 2013, 06:58:44 PM
I think they found a fair compromise.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324659404578501650925094878.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324659404578501650925094878.html)
I've always viewed compromise, especially on core issues to be kind of like seeing how much poison one can take, and still survive.
-Darth
Quote from: Darth Fife on June 11, 2013, 04:28:20 PM
I've always viewed compromise, especially on core issues to be kind of like seeing how much poison one can take, and still survive.
-Darth
In truth, there was no compromise, gay children have never been an issue for the boy-scouts, it's the leadership they have a problem with.
The boy scouts claim compromise, but in truth, nothing changed.
Isn't this really just sexualization of children?
I don't think it is a coincidence that children of hetereosexual couples usually don't become sexually active or identify sexually before around the age of 16 whereas children of homosexual couples from all the interviews I have seen seem to be obsessed with their sexual orientation from age 3-5 and up.
Quote from: Mountainshield on July 20, 2013, 04:37:21 AM
Isn't this really just sexualization of children?
I don't think it is a coincidence that children of hetereosexual couples usually don't become sexually active or identify sexually before around the age of 16 whereas children of homosexual couples from all the interviews I have seen seem to be obsessed with their sexual orientation from age 3-5 and up.
Not in my experience. I always liked girls and saw myself as male. At least, from as far back as I can remember.
Quote from: MFA on July 20, 2013, 06:17:32 AM
Not in my experience. I always liked girls and saw myself as male. At least, from as far back as I can remember.
Well no shit MFA. I don't think you understood my post, I worked in primary and junior high school, and it is not until late junior high that boys become seriously interested in pursuing relationship with girls other than just friendships (keep in mind i'm generalizing here).
My point is you don't see children of heterosexual couples strutting around stating that they are proud of their sexual orientation like children of homosexual couples do. Children of heterosexual couples act naturally and develope at their own pace.
This would not be an issue if it wasn't for homosexuals sexualizing children in the age they don't have any natural interest in "sex".
Quote from: Mountainshield on July 20, 2013, 07:24:16 AM
Well no shit MFA. I don't think you understood my post, I worked in primary and junior high school, and it is not until late junior high that boys become seriously interested in pursuing relationship with girls other than just friendships (keep in mind i'm generalizing here).
My point is you don't see children of heterosexual couples strutting around stating that they are proud of their sexual orientation like children of homosexual couples do. Children of heterosexual couples act naturally and develop at their own pace.
This would not be an issue if it wasn't for homosexuals sexualizing children in the age they don't have any natural interest in "sex".
I would expand that last sentence to include liberals in general.
For whatever reason, they want children engaging in sex at younger and younger ages, along with no repercussions for that behavior; as recently witnessed with the "morning after" pill being made available to children. What they fail to acknowledge, is the devastating emotional and psychological effects that this early sex is causing...not to mention the rampant spread of disease among kids. It's both sick, and tragic. :sad:
Quote from: kramarat on July 20, 2013, 11:22:23 AM
I would expand that last sentence to include liberals in general.
For whatever reason, they want children engaging in sex at younger and younger ages, along with no repercussions for that behavior; as recently witnessed with the "morning after" pill being made available to children. What they fail to acknowledge, is the devastating emotional and psychological effects that this early sex is causing...not to mention the rampant spread of disease among kids. It's both sick, and tragic. :sad:
Thats true, MTV even has a show to remove the stigma of teen pregnancy, its called teen mom or something.
It seems to me that most people are fed up with it though, even parents who were brought up in liberal homes have very conservative values when it comes to their homes, yet vote liberal in elections.
Quote from: Mountainshield on July 20, 2013, 11:32:43 PM
That's true, MTV even has a show to remove the stigma of teen pregnancy, its called teen mom or something.
It seems to me that most people are fed up with it though, even parents who were brought up in liberal homes have very conservative values when it comes to their homes, yet vote liberal in elections.
I'm not sure why it still goes on.
I saw a show, or read an article a couple of years ago, where they had interviewed females that took part in the "free love" movement in the late 60's. As they had aged and gained some wisdom, they had come to realize that they had essentially been encouraged, (by men), to become sluts to serve the needs of the guys. They unanimously regretted what they had done. Of course, they weren't willing to say that they had come to embrace conservative values. :wink:
Quote from: kramarat on July 21, 2013, 05:12:25 AM
I'm not sure why it still goes on.
I saw a show, or read an article a couple of years ago, where they had interviewed females that took part in the "free love" movement in the late 60's. As they had aged and gained some wisdom, they had come to realize that they had essentially been encouraged, (by men), to become sluts to serve the needs of the guys. They unanimously regretted what they had done. Of course, they weren't willing to say that they had come to embrace conservative values. :wink:
I listen a lot to Dennis Prager, and his argument is that it is the emotional indoctrination of the leftist education and MSM that instills a emotional rather than rational approach to politics. I.e conservatives are greedy, wellfare is good because it means you support "charity", postmodernist relativism that all cultures are equal etc. At both university and private sphere when you confront a liberal they usually begin screaming and trying to overpower you with strawmen argument never letting you speak because they are emotionally unable to comprehend economical/sociological facts and fallacies, which also explains why many intelligent people sounds like middleschool students when they talk about politics which is outside they're field of education.
It doesn't matter how much we conservatives have reality and empirical facts on our side, what matters is what feels emotionally good. No wonder conservatives give more to charity for whatever reasons, for liberals its enough to just vote democratic/left and you are a good person, no concept of individual responsability whatsoever, except maybe carbon footprint.
If homosexuality is a choice, why don't you choose to be a homosexual ? Just for a while, see if you like it.
Quote from: Mountainshield on July 21, 2013, 05:49:31 AM
I listen a lot to Dennis Prager, and his argument is that it is the emotional indoctrination of the leftist education and MSM that instills a emotional rather than rational approach to politics. I.e conservatives are greedy, wellfare is good because it means you support "charity", postmodernist relativism that all cultures are equal etc. At both university and private sphere when you confront a liberal they usually begin screaming and trying to overpower you with strawmen argument never letting you speak because they are emotionally unable to comprehend economical/sociological facts and fallacies, which also explains why many intelligent people sounds like middleschool students when they talk about politics which is outside they're field of education.
It doesn't matter how much we conservatives have reality and empirical facts on our side, what matters is what feels emotionally good. No wonder conservatives give more to charity for whatever reasons, for liberals its enough to just vote democratic/left and you are a good person, no concept of individual responsability whatsoever, except maybe carbon footprint.
Mountainsheild, judging by your posts, you seem to be a religious person. That is hardly thinking logically and basing thought on empirical facts but more on faith and emotion.
Quote from: redlom xof on July 31, 2013, 01:36:56 AM
Mountainsheild, judging by your posts, you seem to be a religious person. That is hardly thinking logically and basing thought on empirical facts but more on faith and emotion.
Really? On what do you base that assessment?
Religion requires faith, not reason.
You're believing something not because of scientific proof, but on allegiance.
Quote from: redlom xof on July 31, 2013, 01:07:22 PM
Religion requires faith, not reason.
You're believing something not because of scientific proof, but on allegiance.
The Boy Scouts
IS a
Faith Based organization.
Quote from: redlom xof on July 31, 2013, 01:07:22 PM
Religion requires faith, not reason.
You're believing something not because of scientific proof, but on allegiance.
That's not what faith is. Faith incorporates reason. It is not independent of reason.
Quote from: redlom xof on July 31, 2013, 01:36:56 AM
If homosexuality is a choice, why don't you choose to be a homosexual ? Just for a while, see if you like it.
Oh, did I say it was a choice? Really? Where? Please quote me good sir
You can keep your straw man arguments to yourself and stop trying make assertions and conclusions to propositions I never made. It is tedious and belong in a high school political debate.
Quote from: Solar on April 19, 2013, 09:26:59 AM
How can these people do this, destroy more than 100 years of Christian tradition?
I imagine the answer is, the fags have infected the board of directors.
It's not final, but we know they're Hell bent on destroying the organization. Divide and conquer, it's how the left works.
(Reuters) - The Boy Scouts of America called to end a long-standing ban on openly gay members, a spokesman said on Friday, but the organization's board must still vote in May on whether to ratify the resolution.
If the vote is approved, "no youth may be denied membership in the Boy Scouts of America on the basis of sexual orientation or preference alone," Deron Smith, the organization's spokesman, told Reuters.
http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/04/19/us-usa-boyscouts-ban-idINBRE93I0OY20130419 (http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/04/19/us-usa-boyscouts-ban-idINBRE93I0OY20130419)
I know plenty of gay people and they seem to be all-right people. I don't see why a nice kid who is gay can't an eagle scout badge. Does 100 years of Christian tradition mean discrimination according to you?
Quote from: distraff on September 07, 2013, 03:46:52 PM
I know plenty of gay people and they seem to be all-right people. I don't see why a nice kid who is gay can't an eagle scout badge. Does 100 years of Christian tradition mean discrimination according to you?
And no one is being banned, they just aren't being allowed to become squad leaders.
Are you against the Right of Free association?
Are you willing to have your children taught that pedophilia is just another lifestyle?
At what point do you draw the line?
Quote from: Solar on September 07, 2013, 04:17:17 PM
And no one is being banned, they just aren't being allowed to become squad leaders.
Are you against the Right of Free association?
Are you willing to have your children taught that pedophilia is just another lifestyle?
At what point do you draw the line?
1: Openly gay kids used to be banned from becoming eagle scouts.
2: I am not against the right of free association. If the boy scouts didn't let in black kids, you wouldn't see me calling for any court cases.
3: I am against having my kid being taught by pedos. However, gays aren't pedos so, I don't see what your point is.
4: What line?
Quote from: distraff on September 07, 2013, 05:59:48 PM
1: Openly gay kids used to be banned from becoming eagle scouts.
2: I am not against the right of free association. If the boy scouts didn't let in black kids, you wouldn't see me calling for any court cases.
3: I am against having my kid being taught by pedos. However, gays aren't pedos so, I don't see what your point is.
4: What line?
So you're a bigot?
Point is, it's a free country, a country that used to allow people to freely choose with whom they associated.
The Boy Scouts is a Religious institution, one that believes in the bible, the same book that calls homosexuality a sin.
Remember the First Amendment? Read it, and tell me the Govt isn't crossing the line.
Quote from: Solar on September 07, 2013, 06:07:12 PM
So you're a bigot?
Point is, it's a free country, a country that used to allow people to freely choose with whom they associated.
The Boy Scouts is a Religious institution, one that believes in the bible, the same book that calls homosexuality a sin.
Remember the First Amendment? Read it, and tell me the Govt isn't crossing the line.
1: No I am not a bigot.
2: I agree that people have the right to choose who they associate with, even if they happen to be jerks about it.
3: The bigotry in the bible against gays is clearly morally wrong. Lets not base the boy scouts on parts of the bible that should be forgotten. The parts of the bible against divorce, equal rights for women, supporting slavery, etc have been forgotten. Why can't we do the same with homophobia?
Quote from: redlom xof on July 31, 2013, 01:36:56 AM
If homosexuality is a choice, why don't you choose to be a homosexual ? Just for a while, see if you like it.
Mountainsheild, judging by your posts, you seem to be a religious person. That is hardly thinking logically and basing thought on empirical facts but more on faith and emotion.
Homosexuality is a choice, but not the one you think it is.
Romans 1:25-27 says that worshiping created things instead of God causes homosexual cravings.
With all of the environment worship around today, the number of homosexuals should be higher.
People also have the choice of not giving into their cravings.
Quote from: distraff on September 08, 2013, 11:22:46 AM
1: No I am not a bigot.
Anyone who discriminates against anyone for his religious belief is a bigot.
Quote2: I agree that people have the right to choose who they associate with, even if they happen to be jerks about it.
Your use of pejoratives ("jerk") shows you are a bigot.
Quote3: The bigotry in the bible against gays is clearly morally wrong.
Not according to God, who decides what is moral and what is not. God says homosexual behavior is immoral.
QuoteLets not base the boy scouts on parts of the bible that should be forgotten.
Now YOU appoint yourself the judge of God's scripture?? How self centered you are. Or are you using a different religion (Political Correctness, plagiarized by Democrats from the Baha'i Faith)? One religion can't be used to judge another.
QuoteThe parts of the bible against divorce, equal rights for women, supporting slavery, etc have been forgotten.
Read the WHOLE Bible, not just the parts the sinners told you to read. We haven't forgotten these parts. Government has.
- Read Acts, where women and men are both given the signs and gifts.
- Slavery as it was in Israel (not the other nations) still exists today in the US. It is public restitution. Only when a court ruled that an Israelite owed restitution could he be sold. And he went free after 7 years. A nomadic society could not have jails, so slavery was used.
Also note that in Acts 10 and 15, most of the Old Testament Law was removed for New Testament believers. The ceremonial, dietary, and cleanliness laws were fulfilled in Christ, so they were no longer needed. And the penalties and property laws died with the nation of Israel in 73 AD. Only the morality laws and three prohibitions on eating remain.
QuoteWhy can't we do the same with homophobia?
Using yet another pejorative! Homophobia is a pejorative crafted to make Christians look like they fear homosexuality, instead of obeying God by shunning homosexuals.
Homosexuality is not hereditary. The "science" that says it is was bad science (but the press still says it was true science). Acts 1:25-27 tells why people become homosexual: worshiping created things instead of God. With all of the environment worship going on, we have a bumper crop of homosexuals.
Our biggest problem is that the press has decided to side with sin, rather than obedience to God. Because they themselves want to be allowed to sin, reporters try to discredit all belief in Christ and God. They want the freedom to do wrong.
Reporters also want Obamacare for themselves, so they try to discredit claims that it violates Christian beliefs, either by claiming it does not violate our beliefs, or by trying to discredit Christianity in general.
Quote from: Troubleshooter on November 12, 2013, 07:10:22 PM
Anyone who discriminates against anyone for his religious belief is a bigot.
Your use of pejoratives ("jerk") shows you are a bigot.
Not according to God, who decides what is moral and what is not. God says homosexual behavior is immoral.
Now YOU appoint yourself the judge of God's scripture?? How self centered you are. Or are you using a different religion (Political Correctness, plagiarized by Democrats from the Baha'i Faith)? One religion can't be used to judge another.
Read the WHOLE Bible, not just the parts the sinners told you to read. We haven't forgotten these parts. Government has.
- Read Acts, where women and men are both given the signs and gifts.
- Slavery as it was in Israel (not the other nations) still exists today in the US. It is public restitution. Only when a court ruled that an Israelite owed restitution could he be sold. And he went free after 7 years. A nomadic society could not have jails, so slavery was used.
Also note that in Acts 10 and 15, most of the Old Testament Law was removed for New Testament believers. The ceremonial, dietary, and cleanliness laws were fulfilled in Christ, so they were no longer needed. And the penalties and property laws died with the nation of Israel in 73 AD. Only the morality laws and three prohibitions on eating remain.
Using yet another pejorative! Homophobia is a pejorative crafted to make Christians look like they fear homosexuality, instead of obeying God by shunning homosexuals.
Homosexuality is not hereditary. The "science" that says it is was bad science (but the press still says it was true science). Acts 1:25-27 tells why people become homosexual: worshiping created things instead of God. With all of the environment worship going on, we have a bumper crop of homosexuals.
Our biggest problem is that the press has decided to side with sin, rather than obedience to God. Because they themselves want to be allowed to sin, reporters try to discredit all belief in Christ and God. They want the freedom to do wrong.
Reporters also want Obamacare for themselves, so they try to discredit claims that it violates Christian beliefs, either by claiming it does not violate our beliefs, or by trying to discredit Christianity in general.
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LOL! Well said. I never knew he responded back to me, but you did a fine job, so I'll just say Ditto! :cool:
Quote from: Troubleshooter on November 12, 2013, 07:10:22 PM
Anyone who discriminates against anyone for his religious belief is a bigot.
But discriminating against people for their sexual orientation is completely OK? :rolleyes:
Quote
Your use of pejoratives ("jerk") shows you are a bigot.
:lol: Did you seriously claim that someone who uses the word "jerk" is a bigot?
Quote
Not according to God, who decides what is moral and what is not.
What if a gay person doesn't believe in your God? Remember, don't be a hypocrite: you just called someone a bigot for insulting your religious beliefs.
Quote
God says homosexual behavior is immoral.
God also says that you should kill your neighbor if he works on a Saturday.
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Now YOU appoint yourself the judge of God's scripture?? How self centered you are.
Doesn't the Old Testament order that girls who aren't virgins when they marry be stoned to death?
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Read the WHOLE Bible, not just the parts the sinners told you to read. We haven't forgotten these parts. Government has.
Why should the government care about Christianity? Remember your own "bigot" accusation?
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- Read Acts, where women and men are both given the signs and gifts.
So? God orders that women who are raped be stoned to death if they don't scream loudly enough.
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- Slavery as it was in Israel (not the other nations) still exists today in the US. It is public restitution. Only when a court ruled that an Israelite owed restitution could he be sold. And he went free after 7 years. A nomadic society could not have jails, so slavery was used.
Not the case when Moses orders his men to take virgins from defeated tribes as sex slaves.
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Also note that in Acts 10 and 15, most of the Old Testament Law was removed for New Testament believers. The ceremonial, dietary, and cleanliness laws were fulfilled in Christ, so they were no longer needed. And the penalties and property laws died with the nation of Israel in 73 AD. Only the morality laws and three prohibitions on eating remain.
How does that justify the fact that the OT laws were ever there in the first place, when they are one of the most evil and disgusting sets of principles ever written by man? You realize that God orders literal genocide of entire tribes of civilians, and punishes soldiers who are slow to carry out the order?
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Using yet another pejorative! Homophobia is a pejorative crafted to make Christians look like they fear homosexuality, instead of obeying God by shunning homosexuals.
So insulting someone for insulting homosexuals is bad, but insulting homosexuals is OK?
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Homosexuality is not hereditary. The "science" that says it is was bad science (but the press still says it was true science). Acts 1:25-27 tells why people become homosexual: worshiping created things instead of God. With all of the environment worship going on, we have a bumper crop of homosexuals.
Do you seriously think that a gay child wakes up one day in puberty and decides to be gay for "worshipping created things instead of God"? By that hypothesis, you'd expect more materialistic people to be more gay. Please show evidence of this prediction.
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Our biggest problem is that the press has decided to side with sin, rather than obedience to God. Because they themselves want to be allowed to sin, reporters try to discredit all belief in Christ and God. They want the freedom to do wrong.
Why should those of us who don't believe in God obey God? Remember your own bigoted accusation.
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Reporters also want Obamacare for themselves, so they try to discredit claims that it violates Christian beliefs, either by claiming it does not violate our beliefs, or by trying to discredit Christianity in general.
The fact that you haven't murdered your neighbor or any of your female companions who has had pre-marital sex is proof that you aren't nearly the holy man you think you are.
Quote from: Solar on April 19, 2013, 09:26:59 AM
How can these people do this, destroy more than 100 years of Christian tradition?
I imagine the answer is, the fags have infected the board of directors.
It's not final, but we know they're Hell bent on destroying the organization. Divide and conquer, it's how the left works.
(Reuters) - The Boy Scouts of America called to end a long-standing ban on openly gay members, a spokesman said on Friday, but the organization's board must still vote in May on whether to ratify the resolution.
If the vote is approved, "no youth may be denied membership in the Boy Scouts of America on the basis of sexual orientation or preference alone," Deron Smith, the organization's spokesman, told Reuters.
http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/04/19/us-usa-boyscouts-ban-idINBRE93I0OY20130419 (http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/04/19/us-usa-boyscouts-ban-idINBRE93I0OY20130419)
Just curious, how do you feel about the Boy Scouts of Japan? Or the Boy Scouts of Nigeria?
Quote from: Solar on July 31, 2013, 01:26:01 PM
The Boy Scouts IS a Faith Based organization.
As long as they keep accepting federal money, they need to keep their mouths shut and accept non-Christians and non-heterosexuals. They don't like that? Fine, but stop taking federal money then. If they want to become completely privately funded, I have no problem with them dictating who can become a member of their private club. I respect private clubs having a say regarding what beliefs their members must have, but I don't respect hypocrites taking government money and then pretending to be an exclusive private club that gets to dictate the religion and sexual orientation of their members.
Quote from: Michelle on November 13, 2014, 04:50:32 PM
Just curious, how do you feel about the Boy Scouts of Japan? Or the Boy Scouts of Nigeria?
Don't care.
Quote from: Skeptic on November 13, 2014, 04:59:35 PM
As long as they keep accepting federal money, they need to keep their mouths shut and accept non-Christians and non-heterosexuals. They don't like that? Fine, but stop taking federal money then. If they want to become completely privately funded, I have no problem with them dictating who can become a member of their private club. I respect private clubs having a say regarding what beliefs their members must have, but I don't respect hypocrites taking government money and then pretending to be an exclusive private club that gets to dictate the religion and sexual orientation of their members.
I'm sure you have a valid, recent link showing the breakdown?
Quote from: Solar on November 13, 2014, 05:09:21 PM
I'm sure you have a valid, recent link showing the breakdown?
Does Federal law providing for government participation and aid to Boy Scout activities count?
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/2554 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/2554)
QuoteIn the case of a Boy Scout Jamboree held on a military installation, the Secretary of Defense may provide personnel services and logistical support at the military installation in addition to the support authorized under subsections (a) and (d).
Don't use military bases and personnel for your games :ttoung:
Quote from: Skeptic on November 13, 2014, 05:11:57 PM
Does Federal law providing for government participation and aid to Boy Scout activities count?
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/2554 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/2554)
Don't use military bases and personnel for your games :ttoung:
Try again.
(d) The Secretary of Defense is hereby authorized under such regulations as he may prescribe, to provide,
without expense to the United States Government, transportation from the United States or military commands overseas, and return, on vessels of the Military Sealift Command or aircraft of the Air Mobility Command for
(2) the equipment and property of such Boy Scouts, Scouters, and officials and the
property loaned to the Boy Scouts of America, by the Secretary of Defense pursuant to this section to the extent that such transportation will not interfere with the requirements of military operations.
(c) The Secretary of Defense, before delivering such property,
shall take from the Boy Scouts of America, good and sufficient bond for the safe return of such property in good order and condition, and the whole without expense to the United States.
Yeah, I realize it's a weak argument, but you can't get around the part where they are authorized to use military bases and personnel (at no extra cost) to host their games, which is tax payer sponsorship.
Anyway, they now allow gay members, and the organization has not crumbled, so in a way all of our points are moot by now.
Quote from: Solar on November 13, 2014, 05:08:29 PM
Don't care.
Very convenient.
The Boy Scouts of China and Japan originated from the Boy Scouts of America. Somehow Christianity no longer matters. Got'cha.
Quote from: Solar on September 07, 2013, 04:17:17 PM
And no one is being banned, they just aren't being allowed to become squad leaders.
Are you against the Right of Free association?
Are you willing to have your children taught that pedophilia is just another lifestyle?
At what point do you draw the line?
So gays are not being "banned" from being a squad leader?
This is another area of massive ignorance, homosexuality. There are still people that believe homosexuality means pedophilia.
A gay man is as much a pedophile for little boys as a heterosexual man is a pedophile to little girls.
Question- Are you under the impression gay men are pedophiles?
Quote from: Solar on September 07, 2013, 06:07:12 PM
So you're a bigot?
Point is, it's a free country, a country that used to allow people to freely choose with whom they associated.
The Boy Scouts is a Religious institution, one that believes in the bible, the same book that calls homosexuality a sin.
Remember the First Amendment? Read it, and tell me the Govt isn't crossing the line.
Sooooo... all sins are created equally and no sinner should be a scout leader.
Could YOU be a scout leader?
Quote from: Michelle on November 14, 2014, 04:58:57 AM
Very convenient.
The Boy Scouts of China and Japan originated from the Boy Scouts of America. Somehow Christianity no longer matters. Got'cha.
No, seriously, I don't give a damn what other Nations do culturally, that's their business.
Quote from: Solar on November 14, 2014, 07:00:27 AM
No, seriously, I don't give a damn what other Nations do culturally, that's their business.
Fair enough. I sincerely appreciate your honesty.
Quote from: Michelle on November 14, 2014, 04:58:57 AM
Very convenient.
The Boy Scouts of China and Japan originated from the Boy Scouts of America. Somehow Christianity no longer matters. Got'cha.
On my honor I will do my best for GOD and my Country...Now, that doesn't have to be the Christian God, but, like the Freemasons, it requires an acceptance of the existence of a Supreme Being.
Got you!
Darth
Quote from: Darth Fife on December 17, 2014, 01:48:30 PM
On my honor I will do my best for GOD and my Country...
Now, that doesn't have to be the Christian God, but, like the Freemasons, it requires an acceptance of the existence of a Supreme Being.
Got you!
Darth
A bit of background ... my son earned Eagle Scout rank in 2003, and I was active in the advancement process in his troop (but
never in decisions about his advancement, of course). BSA has had Muslim, Jewish, and Hindu versions of their
God and Country award since at least the mid 90s (and probably much earlier than that).
I don't know whether BSA was ever specifically Christian (I was not a Scout when I was of that age), but troops' sponsoring organizations have considerable flexibility within BSA's structure. A troop may, as my son's did, have special requirements for the leadership positions that are required for advancement to Eagle rank. A troop may be as religious as its sponsors choose, up to and including designing a curriculum to earn that troop's version of
God and Country. BSA requires Scouts to acknowledge God, but leaves to the troop and individual Scout what that God is.
This is an older thread, and has moved away from its original topic, but I'll add that my son's troop's sponsor was an Evangelical church. When BSA made this change that church ceased their relationship with BSA and became a sponsor of a
Trail Life (http://www.traillifeusa.com/) troop. I'm sure they informed parents well ahead of the change, but I'm sure it was not an easy change. That troop had some excellent leaders, and on average several Scouts earned Eagle rank every year while my son was a Scout and in the years following. There would have been several Scouts at Life rank, and more still at Star rank intending to earn Eagle rank.