I searched for a topic about country/ethno/folk music, and couldn't find any, so I decided to start one. And who to begin with regarding the folk music if not the Irish. One of the best songs ever in my opinion. The Johnstons, and The Lambs On The Green Hills.
The Johnstons - The Lambs On The Green Hills (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI1N1lmqSJc#ws)
Scotland The Brave, metal version by Oliver Eckelt. This guy rocks.
Scotland the brave metal version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLz8y5sp-lU#ws)
Hayley Westenra - Amazing Grace.
Amazing Grace - Hayley Westenra (a cappella) in Christchurch NZ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mnTKN8LuiY#ws)
Quote from: milos on August 20, 2013, 11:18:16 PM
Hayley Westenra - Amazing Grace.
Amazing Grace - Hayley Westenra (a cappella) in Christchurch NZ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mnTKN8LuiY#ws)
Wow, beautiful and talented.
Quote from: Solar on August 21, 2013, 06:00:44 AM
Wow, beautiful and talented.
I dare to say the most beautiful vocal of today.
Pokarekare Ana - a traditional Māori song from New Zealand.
Hayley Westenra - Pokarekare Ana (English Subtitles)... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GXua6gD4Hc#)
Morning Has Broken - a traditional Scottish melody, with lyrics by English author Eleanor Farjeon.
Morning has Broken ~ Hayley Westenra (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ6ZuEek7Pg#)
Don't know much about this song, but I think it's cute. :wink:
Hayley Westenra - Across the Universe of Time (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zucZ5LEuTcI#)
Hayley singing a song Ben from Michael Jackson when she was aged seven. :smile:
Hayley Westenra (Aged 7) sings Michael Jackson's "Ben" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az76TQvqOcc#)
Marilena.
Marilena - A Lausbua muss er sei (HQ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1v8wpScKNI#ws)
Some interesting history/origins.
Scots-Irish Contribution to the Song Tradition of the American South (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6KTgUBAgfI#ws)
Quote from: Pearl Earrring on October 26, 2013, 02:55:34 AM
Some interesting history/origins.
Thanks for the video. And is there any German influence on the American folk music? Germans were the predominant people in the beginning?
Johann Strauss Jr. - "Serbian Quadrille", Оp. 14
Johann Strauss jr. - Serbian Quadrille, Оp. 14 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fKIcliu8gY#)
Many famous Serbs of that time lived in the capital of Austria, and the ruler of Serbia, Prince Miloš Obrenović (1780-1860), wanted to gather them at an annual ceremony. For this occasion, he commissioned a composition from the composer Johann Strauss the Younger, and so his composition called "Serbian Quadrille" was presented at the first Serbian "Saint Sava Ball" in Vienna in 1846. The composition was largely influenced by the Serbian folklore. I wish people still dance this kind of dances.
Quote from: milos on November 19, 2013, 05:11:15 AM
Germans were the predominant people in the beginning?
Were they? I thought we (Brits) were.
Quote from: Pearl Earrring on November 22, 2013, 03:22:01 AM
Were they? I thought we (Brits) were.
I saw this map showing the ethnic background of the people in USA.
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Quote from: milos on December 04, 2013, 10:28:02 AM
I saw this map showing the ethnic background of the people in USA.
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The second ethnicity name on the list just says "American."
Quote from: kopema on December 04, 2013, 10:42:42 AM
The second ethnicity name on the list just says "American."
Yeah, I found that rather weird.
Are we to assume that Blacks don't consider themselves Americans?
I don't see it broken down by race, or it would just say whites.
I don't know, it seems to me, we're all Americans.
Pure awesomeness.
God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen / Do You Hear What I Hear - The Gothard Sisters LIVE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZDu2wnNElY#ws)
They play the music, they dance, they sing. Almost unbelievable.
The Gothard SIsters in Ojai 10/17/13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb_xVodYuSs#ws)
Difference between Irish reel and jig - Gothard Sisters (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo_AJQBxZ3c#ws)
"Dok palme njišu grane" ("While The Palm Trees Sway Their Branches")
Dubrovacki trubaduri-Dok palme njisu grane (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcNC5RW34IA#)
One of the songs for which I can say "the best song ever", performed by the Croatian band "Dubrovački trubaduri" ("The Troubadours Of Dubrovnik"), and recorded in 1971. It is in Croatian language, and I will try to translate the lyrics into English, because it is a melody and a song worth of listening.
While the palm trees sway their branches
and the whole of the town is asleep,
while we feel the scent of the soft winds
you are kissing me, kissing me...
But now it's the month of May
and the soft winds are gone now,
the roses have bloomed already,
the kisses are gone now...
When the fall comes once again
and the soft wind begins to whimper
I will be waiting you at the crossroads
where we were happy once...
But you will not come back to me -
the silence will be cold as ice,
the soft wind will just murmur:
once upon a time there was a love...
The melody from my previous post nowdays lives as a Partizan Belgrade sport club fans' song called "To Love Black & Whites". And because I am their fan too, I can't resist to put this version, too. :toungsmile: This footage is from the basketball match with Real Madrid. Partizan Belgrade and Real Madrid are considered to be brother clubs.
Partizan - Real Madrid [10.11.2011.] "DA VOLIM CRNO BELE" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKS-lgeWbW4#ws)
To love Black & Whites
I proudly say to everyone -
I love that glorious name
and I admire only to them!
Nothing greatest in the whole world
could not exist
than it is our love
to the black & white color!
The love to the club
could not end -
as long as I live I will be acclaiming to him:
I love you Partizan!
I wonder which version is better, ha ha. The original one is more emotional, the fans' one is more powerful.
Just a few corrections to my translation.
Quote from: milos on June 25, 2014, 07:42:47 AM
"Dok palme njišu grane" ("While The Palm Trees Sway Their Branches")
Dubrovacki trubaduri-Dok palme njisu grane (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcNC5RW34IA#)
One of the songs for which I can say "the best song ever", performed by the Croatian band "Dubrovački trubaduri" ("The Troubadours Of Dubrovnik"), and recorded in 1971. It is in Croatian language, and I will try to translate the lyrics into English, because it is a melody and a song worth of listening.
While the palm trees sway their branches
and the whole of the town is asleep,
while we feel the scent of the flowers
you are kissing me, kissing me...
But now it's the month of May
and the scent of the flowers is gone now,
the roses have bloomed already,
the kisses are gone now...
When the fall comes once again
and the wind begins to whimper
I will be waiting you at the crossroads
where we were happy once...
But you will not come back to me -
the silence will be cold as ice,
the wind will just murmur:
once upon a time there was a love...
Roundtable Rival - Lindsey Stirling (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvipPYFebWc#ws)
Quote from: milos on November 19, 2013, 05:11:15 AM
Thanks for the video. And is there any German influence on the American folk music? Germans were the predominant people in the beginning?
Probably America's most requested hymn, How Great Thou Art. Listening to the orchestrated version, it is the single most influential piece in what came to be known as light classical -- movie soundtracks, Independence Day celebrations on the Town Commons, community orchestras, Boston Pops, Montavani, The Hollywood Strings, stuff like that.
The tune is in the public domain, as are the original German lyrics. The English lyrics are still under copyright.
The route from Polka and German Folk would be hard to trace. Almost any wedding on the east coast of the United States is still going to feature a polka band. Because the adaptation, the transition, or the fusion from Polka to Pop is so subtle and easily accomplished by trained musicians, it can be very hard to see where one picks up and the other lets off. In the same vein, the melodies of what has become known as the country ballads are nearly purely Germanic folk and classical. I mean songs like "Red River Valley," "Home on the Range," and America the Beautiful.
Those dotted whole notes typical of Beethoven and Brahms that we associate with really turning the tenor of soprano loose are Germanic, I think, though most of us tend to think of serious German compositions in terms of harmonies.
"Then sings my so-o-o-o-u-l-l my Savior, God to Theeeee." :biggrin:
Quote from: red_dirt on October 27, 2014, 09:22:43 AM
Probably America's most requested hymn, How Great Thou Art. Listening to the orchestrated version, it is the single most influential piece in what came to be known as light classical -- movie soundtracks, Independence Day celebrations on the Town Commons, community orchestras, Boston Pops, Montavani, The Hollywood Strings, stuff like that.
The tune is in the public domain, as are the original German lyrics. The English lyrics are still under copyright.
The route from Polka and German Folk would be hard to trace. Almost any wedding on the east coast of the United States is still going to feature a polka band. Because the adaptation, the transition, or the fusion from Polka to Pop is so subtle and easily accomplished by trained musicians, it can be very hard to see where one picks up and the other lets off. In the same vein, the melodies of what has become known as the country ballads are nearly purely Germanic folk and classical. I mean songs like "Red River Valley," "Home on the Range," and America the Beautiful.
Those dotted whole notes typical of Beethoven and Brahms that we associate with really turning the tenor of soprano loose are Germanic, I think, though most of us tend to think of serious German compositions in terms of harmonies.
"Then sings my so-o-o-o-u-l-l my Savior, God to Theeeee." :biggrin:
Thanks for the info. I found one beautiful orchestra version. And the other version on piano. Maybe I prefer the piano version, because it gives more sharpness and contrast to the melody. (I speak in photographic terms, lol.)
How Great Thou Art...Orchestra Version (with lyrics) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll2WgdgMyiw#)
How Great Thou Art, Lyrics with Piano Accompaniment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFA5f99LP7M#)
This melody is close to some traditional melodies from my country (Serbia) which have obviously been inspired by German classical composers.
Thank you for finding those videos.
The first version, by 101 Strings, exactly illustrated the point I was trying to make about the influence of European classical and German Folk, (Yes, How Great Thou Art is a hymn, but the melody is attributed in one of the original sheet music reprints as a German Folk Melody; wtherefore, not under copyright,) that is to say, the influence on German Folk music on light classical music of Hollywood and new York, which brings us back to radio and the movies.
How Great Thou Art was written in 1885. It was very popular in Europe and only reached America in the mid twentieth century; but when it did finally reach America, its popularity soared.
I do not know too much about the waltzes of Strauss, though I just about wore out a Strauss CD. My hunch is that musically the two are related. Blue Danube Waltz of course one of the most popular songs in America for a long time. I think what sets light classical apart is not only the majesty of the movements, but also the fact the listener does not have to wait around long for the majestic movement. You know, in a classical symphony, you kind of sit there a long time before the climax kicks in. Americans notoriously impatient, always in a hurry.
Song called "Bojarka", composed by Serbian violinist, composer, and dirigent, Vlastimir Pavlović Carevac (1895-1965), based upon traditional folklore, and for this time performed in a modern arrangement by Marina and Marija Gobović twin duet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEwtUWFgmVQ
Quote from: milos on October 27, 2015, 02:56:37 PM
Song called "Bojarka", composed by Serbian violinist, composer, and dirigent, Vlastimir Pavlović Carevac (1895-1965), based upon traditional folklore, and for this time performed in a modern arrangement by Marina and Marija Gobović twin duet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEwtUWFgmVQ
Nice to see the youth embrace the culture. :thumbup:
A religious hymn, called "Mary the Glorious", dedicated to the Holy Virgin Mary. It is usually sung by a choir during the Holy Liturgy, with one to five different strophes. This time, it was arranged as a folk tune with four strophes, and sung by Danica Krstić. I will try to provide a translation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paFx4FvbBMw
Mary the Glorious
The spring of life, Mary the Glorious,
we are all proud of you, Mary the Glorious!
You are praised by the angels
and by us sinful on the Earth,
Holy Mother of Christ the God -
Chaste Virgin!
Don't forbid us your help, Mary the Glorious,
follow us with your face, Mary the Glorious!
You are praised by the angels
and by us sinful on the Earth,
Holy Mother of Christ the God -
Chaste Virgin!
And help us in distress, Mary the Glorious,
don't let the evil resist us, Mary the Glorious!
You are praised by the angels
and by us sinful on the Earth,
Holy Mother of Christ the God -
Chaste Virgin!
Glory to you the Mother of God, Mary the Glorious,
you are full of blessings, Mary the Glorious!
You are praised by the angels
and by us sinful on the Earth,
Holy Mother of Christ the God -
Chaste Virgin!
Let's be patriotic a bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GowMI4wvmU4
The eyes of my sons like their bright swords are glancing, triumphantly riding through ruin and death. Beautiful.
Macedonian folk song "Jovano, Jovanke", performed by British violinist Nigel Kennedy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czBVb82JHm0
I hope it is still ok to post non-English videos here in my topic. I promise there is nothing subversive in this. :wink: The truth is that I often tend to forget that I am here on an American forum, and I behave like I am on some European nationalist forum.
Serbian ethno music group Trag from Bosnia and Herzegovina will go on a music tour to the United States this September. Boston, Peterson, New York, Cleveland, and Washington, are the arranged cities for now.
The traditional song "Mesečina (Moonlight)" is originally from Kosovo and Metohija, the region Kriva Reka. This love song is about Stojan from Kriva Reka, who steals beautiful girl Smiljana. Stealing and taking girl away from parents home is an old Serbian custom and very common motif in folk poems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoMGYa_vRhs
Quote from: milos on May 01, 2016, 01:50:06 PM
I hope it is still ok to post non-English videos here in my topic. I promise there is nothing subversive in this. :wink: The truth is that I often tend to forget that I am here on an American forum, and I behave like I am on some European nationalist forum.
NATIONALIST the keyword. Do not drag this forum into your irrelevant Euro issues.
Americans are here because we don't WANT to be in Europe. We FLED that insanity and we have our own culture, music and sensibilities. I suggest you find a different forum if you cannot post ENGLISH ONLY and instead come back with putrid excuses later.
I have reported this reply to management.
Quote from: quiller on May 02, 2016, 03:12:16 AM
Do not drag this forum into your irrelevant Euro issues.
Americans are here because we don't WANT to be in Europe.
Really? Irrelevant? I remember Euro issues was relevant enough to bomb christian Serbia. And how many american bases in Europe? Strange for people who don't WANT to be in Europe...
Quote from: kalash on May 02, 2016, 04:49:51 AM
Really? Irrelevant? I remember Euro issues was relevant enough to bomb christian Serbia. And how many american bases in Europe? Strange for people who don't WANT to be in Europe...
Let us know how life is with Vlad Putin's boot on your miserable necks. Or the Muslims, burning everything your culture stands for.
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Quote from: quiller on May 02, 2016, 03:12:16 AM
NATIONALIST the keyword. Do not drag this forum into your irrelevant Euro issues.
Americans are here because we don't WANT to be in Europe. We FLED that insanity and we have our own culture, music and sensibilities. I suggest you find a different forum if you cannot post ENGLISH ONLY and instead come back with putrid excuses later.
I have reported this reply to management.
Lol, ok. On the other side, I would say "irrelevant Euro issues" are the key words in your post, because they are not irrelevant. On the contrary, we have the same enemies, in Europe, in Russia, in America, and those are the progressives, who are trying to destroy our cultures. While the progressives are always united around the world, traditionalists are divided and not interested in helping each other. I just want to make the traditionalists/conservatives unite and fight together against our mutual enemy. I really hate to see European nationalists burning the American flag and blaming America for everything, and Americans not caring for what is happening in Europe. That way the progressives will win. Kalash is also a Russian conservative, but there is some unfortunate misunderstanding here, which I would love to correct. As he mentioned the bombing of Serbia, Clinton has bombed us as a part of a wider progressive plan to establish a Muslim bridge from Turkey into Europe over Kosovo and Bosnia, so that Europe could be invaded by Muslim migrants. Today it is Europe, tomorrow it is America. But if you are not interested in Europe today, then you will be surprised in America tomorrow. It would be better to stop the evil in its beginnings.
Didn't read it. Foreign sniveling bores me. Begone.
Quote from: milos on May 02, 2016, 09:34:38 PM
Lol, ok. On the other side, I would say "irrelevant Euro issues" are the key words in your post, because they are not irrelevant. On the contrary, we have the same enemies, in Europe, in Russia, in America, and those are the progressives, who are trying to destroy our cultures. While the progressives are always united around the world, traditionalists are divided and not interested in helping each other. I just want to make the traditionalists/conservatives unite and fight together against our mutual enemy. I really hate to see European nationalists burning the American flag and blaming America for everything, and Americans not caring for what is happening in Europe. That way the progressives will win. Kalash is also a Russian conservative, but there is some unfortunate misunderstanding here, which I would love to correct. As he mentioned the bombing of Serbia, Clinton has bombed us as a part of a wider progressive plan to establish a Muslim bridge from Turkey into Europe over Kosovo and Bosnia, so that Europe could be invaded by Muslim migrants. Today it is Europe, tomorrow it is America. But if you are not interested in Europe today, then you will be surprised in America tomorrow. It would be better to stop the evil in its beginnings.
I agree we have a common enemy being the progressives. They do not have a nationality as much as they have philosophy to actually build a new world order. Unfortunately, as I see it, we have too many folks in Europe and the USA who are blind to what is going on. Liberals in the US confound me with their embrace of radical Islamists. For some reason they cannot understand that these people do not differentiate between conservatives and liberals. To them we are all infidels. Keep up the good fight.
Quote from: supsalemgr on May 03, 2016, 04:26:49 AM
I agree we have a common enemy being the progressives. They do not have a nationality as much as they have philosophy to actually build a new world order. Unfortunately, as I see it, we have too many folks in Europe and the USA who are blind to what is going on. Liberals in the US confound me with their embrace of radical Islamists. For some reason they cannot understand that these people do not differentiate between conservatives and liberals. To them we are all infidels. Keep up the good fight.
Thank you so much for this comment. I am pretty sure that the next world war will be between Muslims and progressives on the one side, and Christians, Jews, and conservatives on the other. And it has started already. I should write an essay on how the "not interested" attitude is so deeply wrong. What would have happened if Jesus was "not interested", what would have happened if George Washington was "not interested". Look at the presidential elections for example, I see that it will eventually be Trump vs Clinton, and it's mainly because of the "not interested" attitude. If more people were interested to learn about the candidates, they would have surely opted for Cruz. People should learn from the Jews, the Jews are always interested, they always like to gather information, to know things, to learn who is who and what is what, in order to be prepared to fight for themselves and to defend themselves. The progressives of the world are united, and the conservatives of the world are divided. It is a receipt for disaster. Americans not being interested in Europeans, and Europeans not being interested in Americans. I have been promoting the true American values on European forums and social networks, too, and I am receiving the same "not interested" attitude, or "but they have killed the Native Americans, so let them just die, too", and it is so freaking idiotic. It's like your neighbor is shouting: "Fire!", and you are not interested. And then the fire catches your house too, and you wonder how did it happen. All of the Western civilization is in danger, or should I call it the White civilization and not be labeled racist, whether it is America, Europe, or Russia. Putin is also a Russian conservative, being a dictator or not, and he has the same enemies in the progressives, like the American and the European conservatives also have. I am positive we have to learn about each other in order to cooperate with each other and defend ourselves and win.
Quote from: milos on May 04, 2016, 03:46:23 AM
Thank you so much for this comment. I am pretty sure that the next world war will be between Muslims and progressives on the one side, and Christians, Jews, and conservatives on the other. And it has started already. I should write an essay on how the "not interested" attitude is so deeply wrong. What would have happened if Jesus was "not interested", what would have happened if George Washington was "not interested". Look at the presidential elections for example, I see that it will eventually be Trump vs Clinton, and it's mainly because of the "not interested" attitude. If more people were interested to learn about the candidates, they would have surely opted for Cruz. People should learn from the Jews, the Jews are always interested, they always like to gather information, to know things, to learn who is who and what is what, in order to be prepared to fight for themselves and to defend themselves. The progressives of the world are united, and the conservatives of the world are divided. It is a receipt for disaster. Americans not being interested in Europeans, and Europeans not being interested in Americans. I have been promoting the true American values on European forums and social networks, too, and I am receiving the same "not interested" attitude, or "but they have killed the Native Americans, so let them just die, too", and it is so freaking idiotic. It's like your neighbor is shouting: "Fire!", and you are not interested. And then the fire catches your house too, and you wonder how did it happen. All of the Western civilization is in danger, or should I call it the White civilization and not be labeled racist, whether it is America, Europe, or Russia. Putin is also a Russian conservative, being a dictator or not, and he has the same enemies in the progressives, like the American and the European conservatives also have. I am positive we have to learn about each other in order to cooperate with each other and defend ourselves and win.
Interesting comment about Putin. Yes, he is a conservative, but in my view, he is more of nationalistic person. That overshadows the commonality he should have with the West. I went to Russia in 2000 and it was amazing how much Americans had in common with Russians who were embracing their new found freedom. The USA would like to be allies and friends with Russia. However, Putin is moving Russia back to it second world economy with a first world military. It has been proven that model is unsustainable.
Quote from: supsalemgr on May 04, 2016, 04:27:03 AM
Interesting comment about Putin. Yes, he is a conservative, but in my view, he is more of nationalistic person. That overshadows the commonality he should have with the West. I went to Russia in 2000 and it was amazing how much Americans had in common with Russians who were embracing their new found freedom. The USA would like to be allies and friends with Russia. However, Putin is moving Russia back to it second world economy with a first world military. It has been proven that model is unsustainable.
Yes, but in Europe conservative equals nationalist, because nationalists are those who are embracing the traditional values, and progressives are their enemies, because they want to quit with all traditions and bring forced multiculturalism and tolerance towards any alien phenomena. Ok, I am aware that the American conservatives don't want their culture to be mixed with the European culture, and the European nationalists don't want their culture to be mixed with the American culture, and I understand the "begone" message. But, I also believe that the American conservatives and the European and the Russian nationalists need to get to know each other better, in order to understand each other better, because we are all in the same traditionalist pot, and the progressives are our common enemy. We are all part of the Western civilization as a whole, although the Russians would never admit they belong to the Western civilization, that is why I have called it the White civilization instead, but they really do belong. Russia is also an imperialist and colonialist power, in spite of the fact they like to criticize others for being imperialists and colonialists.
Europeans can provide some valuable information to Americans, and vice versa. There is really a lot of unfortunate misunderstanding because of the lack of true information. For example, Europeans don't know about the problems American ranchers have with the BLM, or the American president overrunning the Constitution, or about the open border with Mexico and Mexican drug cartels. Europeans believe that the United States are a multicultural democracy, and that Mexicans are some quiet and peaceful hard working people who are being molested by the aggressive American capitalists. But they have never heard of the Zetas, and what they do in Mexico. Maybe Europeans and Americans don't need to love each other, but I believe we do need to learn about each other, and to say for example "oh, so that's the way they think", or "oh, so that's the music they like". But if people don't like to hear, then I should apologize for trying to tell them. But he/she who doesn't want to hear today has no excuse to say "I didn't know" tomorrow.
I see American conservatives call themselves patriots rather than nationalists, but it is basically the same. I am not quite sure abot the Russian economy, but I have heard it is much better now than it was during the period of the Soviet Union, and it is partially because Russia doesn't need to support all of the other 14 republics anymore. Russia must have a strong military because they would look like pussies without it, but modern wars are not being fought by military, but by information. So the lack of true information combined with war propaganda can do the crucial damage, while the knowing of the true information can bring a lot of good.
Quote from: milos on May 05, 2016, 02:42:10 AM
Yes, but in Europe conservative equals nationalist, because nationalists are those who are embracing the traditional values, and progressives are their enemies, because they want to quit with all traditions and bring forced multiculturalism and tolerance towards any alien phenomena. Ok, I am aware that the American conservatives don't want their culture to be mixed with the European culture, and the European nationalists don't want their culture to be mixed with the American culture, and I understand the "begone" message. But, I also believe that the American conservatives and the European and the Russian nationalists need to get to know each other better, in order to understand each other better, because we are all in the same traditionalist pot, and the progressives are our common enemy. We are all part of the Western civilization as a whole, although the Russians would never admit they belong to the Western civilization, that is why I have called it the White civilization instead, but they really do belong. Russia is also an imperialist and colonialist power, in spite of the fact they like to criticize others for being imperialists and colonialists.
Europeans can provide some valuable information to Americans, and vice versa. There is really a lot of unfortunate misunderstanding because of the lack of true information. For example, Europeans don't know about the problems American ranchers have with the BLM, or the American president overrunning the Constitution, or about the open border with Mexico and Mexican drug cartels. Europeans believe that the United States are a multicultural democracy, and that Mexicans are some quiet and peaceful hard working people who are being molested by the aggressive American capitalists. But they have never heard of the Zetas, and what they do in Mexico. Maybe Europeans and Americans don't need to love each other, but I believe we do need to learn about each other, and to say for example "oh, so that's the way they think", or "oh, so that's the music they like". But if people don't like to hear, then I should apologize for trying to tell them. But he/she who doesn't want to hear today has no excuse to say "I didn't know" tomorrow.
I see American conservatives call themselves patriots rather than nationalists, but it is basically the same. I am not quite sure abot the Russian economy, but I have heard it is much better now than it was during the period of the Soviet Union, and it is partially because Russia doesn't need to support all of the other 14 republics anymore. Russia must have a strong military because they would look like pussies without it, but modern wars are not being fought by military, but by information. So the lack of true information combined with war propaganda can do the crucial damage, while the knowing of the true information can bring a lot of good.
Very astute observation of Americans being patriots and Europeans more nationalistic. I believe that is because of the geographic makeup of the two. America really stands alone whereas European countries are so close together there is a greater desire for individual identity for each country. America is made up of people who came from elsewhere and assimilated into what we are today. Patriots understand that is America's strength and we do not like the desires of those who came here and try to change what we have into what those folks came from. Remembering one's heritage is one thing, but changing what America is to that heritage is divisive from our common interest. Your point is well made that America and Europe has so much in common and both need to try harder to understand the other.
Quote from: supsalemgr on May 05, 2016, 04:03:41 AM
Very astute observation of Americans being patriots and Europeans more nationalistic. I believe that is because of the geographic makeup of the two. America really stands alone whereas European countries are so close together there is a greater desire for individual identity for each country. America is made up of people who came from elsewhere and assimilated into what we are today. Patriots understand that is America's strength and we do not like the desires of those who came here and try to change what we have into what those folks came from. Remembering one's heritage is one thing, but changing what America is to that heritage is divisive from our common interest. Your point is well made that America and Europe has so much in common and both need to try harder to understand the other.
Yes, in Europe ethnic groups formed their nations, so we usually have a founding nation plus national minorities who both make the citizens. I look at America, Europe, and Russia, similarly as to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost in Christianity. They are three different personalities, but they are also one God at the same time. Similarly to that, we have many different cultures, but we form one civilization altogether. I don't want to bother the people anymore with this topic, but just need to add an important observation. It is not a secret that the United States government is actively participating in creating of both domestic and foreign politics of the European nations, and I am sure you are very well aware of that fact. And that is the reason I, although a foreigner, find the American presidential elections to be very important. When a progressive sits in the White House, then we have progressive American ambassadors, who are making huge efforts to legally enforce the progressive agenda onto us. Also, some American private progressive organizations, such as the Soros Fund Management, are very active in supporting of their fellow European progressives. I was hoping for a true conservative into the White House, so that we could feel a bit of a relief. So, the American progressives are our enemy, while the American conservatives are not interested. And that is why in Europe all Americans appear to be progressive multicultural tolerant democrats. European conservatives are hungry for the people like Mr. Robert LaVoy Finicum was. I wish the American conservatives were more interested to help us, but I suppose this is the way the things are, and will probably never be changed.
Quote from: milos on May 06, 2016, 04:32:51 AM
Yes, in Europe ethnic groups formed their nations, so we usually have a founding nation plus national minorities who both make the citizens. I look at America, Europe, and Russia, similarly as to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost in Christianity. They are three different personalities, but they are also one God at the same time. Similarly to that, we have many different cultures, but we form one civilization altogether. I don't want to bother the people anymore with this topic, but just need to add an important observation. It is not a secret that the United States government is actively participating in creating of both domestic and foreign politics of the European nations, and I am sure you are very well aware of that fact. And that is the reason I, although a foreigner, find the American presidential elections to be very important. When a progressive sits in the White House, then we have progressive American ambassadors, who are making huge efforts to legally enforce the progressive agenda onto us. Also, some American private progressive organizations, such as the Soros Fund Management, are very active in supporting of their fellow European progressives. I was hoping for a true conservative into the White House, so that we could feel a bit of a relief. So, the American progressives are our enemy, while the American conservatives are not interested. And that is why in Europe all Americans appear to be progressive multicultural tolerant democrats. European conservatives are hungry for the people like Mr. Robert LaVoy Finicum was. I wish the American conservatives were more interested to help us, but I suppose this is the way the things are, and will probably never be changed.
Let us just hope the American see the electorate see the light and do not elect progressive. One must understand Obama is a dangerous person who thinks he should "rule" the world.