https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/high-school-principal-stands-by-creating-dress-code-for-parents/ar-BBWkwOb?ocid=ientp

And

https://c-5uwzmx78pmca09x24quo-a-uav-kwux2eisiuiqhmlx2evmb.g01.msn.com/g00/3_c-5eee.uav.kwu_/c-5UWZMXPMCA09x24pbbx78ax3ax2fx2fquo-a-uav-kwu.isiuiqhml.vmbx2fbmvivbx2fiux78x2fmvbqbgqlx2fJJEsyfh.quox3fpx3d238x26ex3d577x26ux3d4x26yx3d48x26wx3dnx26tx3dnx26fx3d393x26gx3d014x26q98k.uizsx3dquiom_$/$/$/$/$

All I see is a bunch of mixed messages.

If parents and everyone else is expected to follow a bunch of standards then why tell them to be themselves and be unique.  Just tell them to follow the standards and quit telling ppl to be themselves when it is most certainly not true.

1984 anyone?

Dress code is fine.  Double speak and lying is not!

Quote from: alienhand on April 27, 2019, 10:36:51 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/high-school-principal-stands-by-creating-dress-code-for-parents/ar-BBWkwOb?ocid=ientp

And

https://c-5uwzmx78pmca09x24quo-a-uav-kwux2eisiuiqhmlx2evmb.g01.msn.com/g00/3_c-5eee.uav.kwu_/c-5UWZMXPMCA09x24pbbx78ax3ax2fx2fquo-a-uav-kwu.isiuiqhml.vmbx2fbmvivbx2fiux78x2fmvbqbgqlx2fJJEsyfh.quox3fpx3d238x26ex3d577x26ux3d4x26yx3d48x26wx3dnx26tx3dnx26fx3d393x26gx3d014x26q98k.uizsx3dquiom_$/$/$/$/$

All I see is a bunch of mixed messages.

If parents and everyone else is expected to follow a bunch of standards then why tell them to be themselves and be unique.  Just tell them to follow the standards and quit telling ppl to be themselves when it is most certainly not true.

1984 anyone?

Dress code is fine.  Double speak and lying is not!

You don't have to look as if you just crawled out of the gutter to be unique. You an be "unique" and still look like a functioning adult, I think that was part of her message.



Ever notice all those who dress unique all dress alike?

Quote from: s3779m on April 28, 2019, 03:36:41 AM
You don't have to look as if you just crawled out of the gutter to be unique. You an be "unique" and still look like a functioning adult, I think that was part of her message.



Ever notice all those who dress unique all dress alike?

True!

And, I accept there should be a dress code.

I say get rid of the whole be unique, be you, be yourself thing.    Let's just say we have standards in the learning environment and we expect full compliance to them.  That's it!  Nothing more!

Telling someone to be unique and expecting one to conform to standards contradict themselves and is PC. 

I don't mind conforming to standards but let's it that.  Let's call a spade a spade.  Let's just get rid of all of this useless, garbage advice out there in our society and PC.

I think the show "What Not to Wear" sums it up.  Have some respect for yourself.

Toy

Quote from: Solars Toy on May 03, 2019, 07:11:29 AM
I think the show "What Not to Wear" sums it up.  Have some respect for yourself.

Toy

I just find the whole idea of be yourself and be unique as so confusing especially when one is expected to conform to a set of standards.  I'm not knocking the standards.  It just seems like contradictory advice.  How do you be unique and be yourself if others decide what is appropriate and what is respectful and one is required to conform to these things?  This is just so freaking confusing.

I just wish everything was spelled out in black and white terms with the DOs and Don'ts stated in explicit terms. 

Quote from: alienhand on May 05, 2019, 04:02:49 AM
I just find the whole idea of be yourself and be unique as so confusing especially when one is expected to conform to a set of standards.  I'm not knocking the standards.  It just seems like contradictory advice.  How do you be unique and be yourself if others decide what is appropriate and what is respectful and one is required to conform to these things?  This is just so freaking confusing.

It is really not that difficult to be unique within a set of standards.

Quote from: supsalemgr on May 05, 2019, 04:16:09 AM
It is really not that difficult to be unique within a set of standards.

I don't understand!  For me it is very difficult b/c they're diametrically opposite to each other.  How is it logically possible to be unique if one must follow a set of standards? 

You either conform and follow a set of standards or be unique.   It's either/or.  If it is not then how is it not either/or?  Here is an analogy, Is an apple both an apple and not an apple? 

Both concepts have mutually exclusive properties.

Quote from: alienhand on May 05, 2019, 04:02:49 AM
I just find the whole idea of be yourself and be unique as so confusing especially when one is expected to conform to a set of standards.  I'm not knocking the standards.  It just seems like contradictory advice.  How do you be unique and be yourself if others decide what is appropriate and what is respectful and one is required to conform to these things?  This is just so freaking confusing.

I just wish everything was spelled out in black and white terms with the DOs and Don'ts stated in explicit terms.

Why would you need a brain, if some one did all your thinking for you like the government?

Quote from: alienhand on May 05, 2019, 04:21:10 AM
I don't understand!  For me it is very difficult b/c they're diametrically opposite to each other.  How is it logically possible to be unique if one must follow a set of standards? 

You either conform and follow a set of standards or be unique.   It's either/or.  If it is not then how is it not either/or?  Here is an analogy, Is an apple both an apple and not an apple? 

Both concepts have mutually exclusive properties.

This is where you limit yourself. First, one has to start with the standards and then search for things inside those standards that one can distinguish themselves.

I will give you one very simple example that applies to me. We did not have a dress code at my high school, but we knew what was acceptable. In those days of around 1960 pegged pants were a fad. I had a grandmother who was a professional sower. I asked her to add zippers at the bottom of my pants. That was unique, but still within the standards. In the workplace one can become unique just by working smarter and/or harder.

I hope that helps. Don't limit yourself by not thinking outside the box.

Quote from: walkstall on May 05, 2019, 05:21:15 AM

Why would you need a brain, if some one did all your thinking for you like the government?

Simple!  Here are the reasons.

I don't want to step on other people's toes or break someone else's standard. 

And, if you see red and I see green then telling someone to just use their brain or "critically think" does work. 

Quote from: alienhand on May 05, 2019, 06:32:34 AM
Simple!  Here are the reasons.

I don't want to step on other people's toes or break someone else's standard. 

And, if you see red and I see green then telling someone to just use their brain or "critically think" does work.

Sheesh! Set your own standards. I have never been a follower, never cared about "Mod" clothes, that was for followers.
You want to be unique? Dress like you're serious about life, that will get you attention, if that's what one seeks.

Quote from: supsalemgr on May 05, 2019, 05:23:09 AM
This is where you limit yourself. First, one has to start with the standards and then search for things inside those standards that one can distinguish themselves.

I think I understand what you're saying.  You're saying follow the standard but one has flexibility within those standards.  If the standard dress code was Suit and tie for a particular business then one needs to stick to that but within that one can choose the color and design of his tie that is unique to other people with suit and ties. 

Quote from: supsalemgr on May 05, 2019, 05:23:09 AM

I will give you one very simple example that applies to me. We did not have a dress code at my high school, but we knew what was acceptable. In those days of around 1960 pegged pants were a fad. I had a grandmother who was a professional sower. I asked her to add zippers at the bottom of my pants. That was unique, but still within the standards. In the workplace one can become unique just by working smarter and/or harder.

Everyone was supposed to wear pants at your high school based upon what you are saying.  You had zippers put on your bottom parts to distinguish yourself from others.  Even though you had zippers you still stayed within the unstated dress code.   Makes so much sense on how you explained your high school past. 

Quote from: supsalemgr on May 05, 2019, 05:23:09 AM
I hope that helps. Don't limit yourself by not thinking outside the box.

It helped tremendously. 

Let's say we have 5 people in a group.  Everyone is supposed to pick a number between 1 - 10.  Everyone picks 1-5.  I am unique and pick 7.   That's is how to be unique while having standards.  Makes perfect sense!  I get it!

Quote from: alienhand on May 05, 2019, 06:47:26 AM
 

Everyone was supposed to wear pants at your high school based upon what you are saying.  You had zippers put on your bottom parts to distinguish yourself from others.  Even though you had zippers you still stayed within the unstated dress code.   Makes so much sense on how you explained your high school past. 

It helped tremendously. 

No, it was so he could slip them on and off easier. My mom bought me a pair, I got them on and the only way to get them off was to pull them inside out and fight like Hell to get them over your ankles.
The cuffs were, as a rule, smaller around than you ankles.
Zippers were a very ingenuous way to tackle the problem and keep in style.

Quote from: alienhand on May 05, 2019, 06:47:26 AM
I think I understand what you're saying.  You're saying follow the standard but one has flexibility within those standards.  If the standard dress code was Suit and tie for a particular business then one needs to stick to that but within that one can choose the color and design of his tie that is unique to other people with suit and ties. 

Everyone was supposed to wear pants at your high school based upon what you are saying.  You had zippers put on your bottom parts to distinguish yourself from others.  Even though you had zippers you still stayed within the unstated dress code.   Makes so much sense on how you explained your high school past. 

It helped tremendously. 

Let's say we have 5 people in a group.  Everyone is supposed to pick a number between 1 - 10.  Everyone picks 1-5.  I am unique and pick 7.   That's is how to be unique while having standards.  Makes perfect sense!  I get it!

Good. It is quite simple to observe what others are doing. Then, work on something they are not doing that might be beneficial.

Quote from: supsalemgr on May 05, 2019, 07:28:26 AM
Good. It is quite simple to observe what others are doing. Then, work on something they are not doing that might be beneficial.

So simple and so obvious after the fact!  I should've saw this yet I did not.  I can kick myself.