Quote from: Dr_Watt on April 21, 2012, 06:05:40 PM


There is an old saying, "If you don't vote, you've got no right to complain!". Me, I love to complain! 

-Dr Watt

That's me as well. I try to spend more than my 2 cents.......

Quote from: C-B-M on April 21, 2012, 05:49:17 PM
No, the 2010 elections DIDN'T kick that crap to the curb.  That's the problem.  I'm not saying I don't want conservatism to dominate the Republican party.  I'm saying it DOESN'T.  What's the proof?  Uh ...the entire 2012 Republican primaries?  We had a moderate-at-best Republican installed as our nominee based on "he's the only one who can beat Obama" and a lot of Republicans who openly rejected Santorum's social conservatism.  Is that supposed to inspire confidence in me?  The 2010 elections were great.  But we went from that to somehow buying that people don't want conservatism.  It's not me saying that or even the media -- we gotta stop blaming them when we see Romney winning in state after state.  How is that telling me that Republicans aren't a bunch of namby-pamby losers?

I mean, look at the liberals.  Sure, they're stupid morons and they could never openly run on their beliefs.  But that doesn't stop them from nominating a socialist and PRETENDING he's a moderate.  Republicans nominate a moderate and pretend he's a conservative -- but not too much, or else we'll "scare away" the voters!  Well, guess what?  I'm tired of voting Republican and getting some loser.  If the Republicans want to run a moderate, then let them win with the moderate vote.  OR LOSE.  I hardly care.  What, am I supposed to be happy that instead of racing towards socialism, we're crawling?  Why do we keep getting Liberal versus Liberal Lite in elections?  It's like my choices are Barack Obama or Olympia Snowe.  Why should I vote for retarded Olympia just because she has an (R) behind her name?

But it was you that said it, I just called you on it, lets just not repeat it, since its not true.
What happened was the GOP in concert killed off the Conservatives early in the race.
Of course the base not being happy with the remaining RINO running, began killing off the rest, which left us with mitten.
It was all part of a well planned strategy by the powers that be"RINO" in the GOP.

Quote from: C-B-M on April 21, 2012, 05:56:01 PM
Well, here's how I look at things.  Take, for example, 2008.  I didn't vote.  I'm not potentially electing McCain and having him mess up the country with moderatism and having people claim "oh, the Republicans are no different than the Democrats!  Proof!"  And some people say "well, then Obama is your fault!"  Uh, no.  Obama is the fault of the people who voted for him.  I didn't vote for him, therefore everything that occured as a result has nothing to do with me.  I'm not being sarcastic or facetious.  I'm dead serious.  The blame lays at the feet of the people who give us McCain because they're so terrified that the country hated Bush.  That's literally the reason.  I mean, look at 2012.  You'd think that everyone would be going crazy trying to run as a Republican because it's the easiest election you'll ever face, right?  And yet we got ...this field?  Crazy Ron Paul.  Moderate Mitt Romney.  Newt "the era of Reagan is over, but I'm still a conservative trust me" Gingrich.  And Rick Santorum, who isn't perfect but at least is decent.  That's it?  And we're begging Chris "I'm a social moderate but don't tell anyone" Christie to join in?  THAT'S our friggin' field?  Don't make me laugh.

I've always defended the Republican party but it's clear that they're run by morons and incompetents.

I take it you didn't vote at all?
I vote for one reason, to further the conservative agenda, POTUS is irrelevant unless he has conservatives in both houses to push his ass to do what we, the constituents demand.
If you aren't voting in local conservatives and pushing them to run for higher office, then yes, you are to blame for our slide into socialism.
We need to stop the RINO and their constant capitulation to the leftists, its a no win situation.

So get out and vote in Nov, even if your guy doesn't have a chance.
If enough people did, we just might make a difference, Hell, we unseated a shitload of RINO and Marxists in 2010.

Yeah I'm voting. I'm more enthused about Romney than McCain. Not that  that is saying much.But I am tired of this.

Quote from: Solar on April 21, 2012, 07:10:13 PM
What happened was the GOP in concert killed off the Conservatives early in the race.

But that's not what happened.  I mean, sure, you can argue -- and I'd agree -- that the media created false stories about how everyone supported Romney and the GOP all endorsed Romney.  Absolutely.  But at the end of the day, there are also a lot of Republicans who voted for Romney.  True?  Yes, true.  And why was that?  Because -- even if they were tricked into thinking this -- they thought that a conservative would "turn off" the country and get Obama re-elected.  I've talked to lots of people who think that way, mostly because they're the tired old "fiscal conservative, social liberal" robots.

I don't get why we're arguing over this, actually.  I'd be thrilled if the Republicans had nominated Santorum.  But they didn't and now I'm not helping them.  It's like you tell me "hey, even if they give you Bob Dole and John McCain and Mitt Romney, if you don't keep donating to the RNC then you're the problem!"  I'm quite fine with the Republicans losing if they keep doing this.  As a conservative, I subscribe to the notion that actions have consequences.  If the GOP thinks they can win with a RINO, enjoy.  But if they assumed that conservatives are going to robotically help out, that's their false assumption.  Nobody "must" do anything they don't want to.

I'm more apt to influence Romney and his agendas then I ever would be with Obama.  Let's put it this way, we know what we've got with Obama, would I choose to sit back and allow another four years of that?  I'll take my chances with Romney.

Quote from: republicans2 on April 21, 2012, 09:22:25 PM
I'm more apt to influence Romney and his agendas then I ever would be with Obama.  Let's put it this way, we know what we've got with Obama, would I choose to sit back and allow another four years of that?  I'll take my chances with Romney.

Right, I heard that reasoning in 2008, too.  My problem with that is that the damage done by a McCain presidency could potentially be worse than an Obama one.  What do I mean by that?  Well, say McCain wins and he's not going to do Obamacare and we're all thrilled.  Right?  But he is a "maverick" and he raises taxes and rails against corporations and goes for gay marriage or whatever.  Now, even if the country is not "worse off" than it was with an Obama presidency by 2012, you've set up decades of losing because now everyone goes "oh, so THAT'S what Republicans will give us."  When Obama won, at least it semi-purged the Republican party.  For years we had to put up with RINOs like Arlen Specter.  When Obama took over, they either jumped ship or were ousted because voters wanted "real" Democrats, not RINOs.  We got rid of lots of trash in that election, even if it put Democrats in power.

My view is one of cynicism.  The voters get what they ask for.  And if they're uneducated, ill-informed voters, that's not my problem.  The voters brought in Obama and then got lost jobs and continued economic malaise.  And I'm supposed to be sympathetic?  Why?  They got what they wanted.

Quote from: Solar on April 21, 2012, 03:27:01 PM
And how do you propose we knock off Ginsberg and Breyer, impeachment?

Aw, you want to limit this to legal means, instead of Chicago Rules?

Drown them with holy water. Don't mind the smell of damp brimstone.

You don't have to literally "knock off" liberal Justices.  What I mean is that Ginsberg is like a mummy.  You can tell she's about to drop.  It's like when Sotomayor was put in place.  It was a liberal judge who was like "gaaaaah, I'm not going to die while Bush is in office ...hork!!!"  As soon as Obama was elected, they were like "arrrgh!!  OH GOD SWEET RELEASE!!" and died.  If a liberal is in power when a seat opens, it's game over.  Period.

Oh I plan on voting I'm going to vote like a democrat early and often. 

Quote from: C-B-M on April 21, 2012, 09:30:57 PM
Right, I heard that reasoning in 2008, too.  My problem with that is that the damage done by a McCain presidency could potentially be worse than an Obama one.  What do I mean by that?  Well, say McCain wins and he's not going to do Obamacare and we're all thrilled.  Right?  But he is a "maverick" and he raises taxes and rails against corporations and goes for gay marriage or whatever.  Now, even if the country is not "worse off" than it was with an Obama presidency by 2012, you've set up decades of losing because now everyone goes "oh, so THAT'S what Republicans will give us."  When Obama won, at least it semi-purged the Republican party.  For years we had to put up with RINOs like Arlen Specter.  When Obama took over, they either jumped ship or were ousted because voters wanted "real" Democrats, not RINOs.  We got rid of lots of trash in that election, even if it put Democrats in power.

My view is one of cynicism.  The voters get what they ask for.  And if they're uneducated, ill-informed voters, that's not my problem.  The voters brought in Obama and then got lost jobs and continued economic malaise.  And I'm supposed to be sympathetic?  Why?  They got what they wanted.

You may live in the what ifs if you wish.  The reality is that Obama has and continues to do massive damage to our economy and society.  Wait if you must for your ideal candidate but I choose to have a say and will take each battle as they come.  If I come up against two assailants with no way out, I'm going to pit myself against the one that gives me my best chance.  Rolling up in a ball is not an options or me.  I'm not a Romney fan but I will be if for just one day.  I'm voting.

Yes, I will vote in November.

Do I view Romney as the perfect candidate?  No.

But unless something unexpected happens he will be the nominee and while he is hardly the type of conservative that I would prefer, I think he is a much better option than another 4 years of Obama.

Quote from: rich_t on April 22, 2012, 07:15:15 AM
Yes, I will vote in November.

Do I view Romney as the perfect candidate?  No.

But unless something unexpected happens he will be the nominee and while he is hardly the type of conservative that I would prefer, I think he is a much better option than another 4 years of Obama.

Welcome to the forum Rich and I agree, its akin to voting for death by slow crushing, or a billion needle pricks.
Ill take the billion pricks, they are small and annoying and take a longtime, unlike the one big crushing Marxist prick.

Quote from: C-B-M on April 21, 2012, 09:07:37 PM
But that's not what happened.  I mean, sure, you can argue -- and I'd agree -- that the media created false stories about how everyone supported Romney and the GOP all endorsed Romney.  Absolutely.  But at the end of the day, there are also a lot of Republicans who voted for Romney.  True?  Yes, true.  And why was that?  Because -- even if they were tricked into thinking this -- they thought that a conservative would "turn off" the country and get Obama re-elected.  I've talked to lots of people who think that way, mostly because they're the tired old "fiscal conservative, social liberal" robots.

I don't get why we're arguing over this, actually.  I'd be thrilled if the Republicans had nominated Santorum.  But they didn't and now I'm not helping them.  It's like you tell me "hey, even if they give you Bob Dole and John McCain and Mitt Romney, if you don't keep donating to the RNC then you're the problem!"  I'm quite fine with the Republicans losing if they keep doing this.  As a conservative, I subscribe to the notion that actions have consequences.  If the GOP thinks they can win with a RINO, enjoy.  But if they assumed that conservatives are going to robotically help out, that's their false assumption.  Nobody "must" do anything they don't want to.

Thats what I said, at the end of the day, after they had knocked off the Conservative competition, thats when people started gravitating towards Mitten.
Look back at his poll numbers during that time, he was stuck at around 30% approval, that approval never came from the base, the Conservative base, the Tea party.
Whats more, is he is still not getting the base excited, they just know they are out of options.
I have yet to count Newt out, the base will show that they hate Mitten so much so, there will be a protest move to back newt, whether it will be enough to make any difference, we'll have to wait and see.

Quote from: rich_t on April 22, 2012, 07:15:15 AM
Yes, I will vote in November.

Do I view Romney as the perfect candidate?  No.

But unless something unexpected happens he will be the nominee and while he is hardly the type of conservative that I would prefer, I think he is a much better option than another 4 years of Obama.

Welcome Rich.  Jeez, my wife isn't perfect but if she was, would that guarantee I'd be any happier?  BTW, kudos to her for putting up with me!